Arizona's New Immigration Law
 

I would have thought someone would have started a thread about this but I guess I will. What's the point of this law? I don't get it.

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What's wrong with some blatant racial profiling?

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I don't understand why the illegal aleins are upset over this law? It's not like they paid any attention to the law to begin with, hence the term "illegal".

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[quote=Mattyk;696552]What's wrong with some blatant racial profiling?[/quote]

The law "prevents" you from doing that though...the question I have is if nearly 30 percent of Arizonians are Hispanic how will they tell legals from illegals without profiling? What does profiling mean really? And how does it help?

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[quote=saden1;696558]The law "prevents" you from doing that though...the question I have is if nearly 30 percent of Arizonians are Hispanic how will they tell legals from illegals without profiling? [B]What does profiling mean really? And how does it help[/B]?[/quote]

It means Saudi Arabian men are more likely to fly a plane into a building than Roman Catholic Nuns.

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[quote=saden1;696558]The law "prevents" you from doing that though...the question I have is if nearly 30 percent of Arizonians are Hispanic how will they tell legals from illegals without profiling? What does profiling mean really? And how does it help?[/quote]

actually, the law allows "hispanic profiling" along US territories along the border. im not sure how far this area extends into the US but i know ive been stopped a few times near the border for nothing other than driving thru the desert near the border. one time we got lost, ended up at a checkpoint and border patrol told us we had crossed into mexico then back again. they locked us up, i was in a small cell with a bucket to piss and shit in. the border patrol, how do we say, found some things. after an hour they decided to let us go, went back out to my car and everything in it was tossed all around my car.

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Basis for it:
Arizona has a MASSIVE problem with illegal aliens crossing the border. They bring drugs, commit rapes and murders, have even invaded peoples' homes and properties. The state has asked the Feds for help and have been denied. They need to get this under control and are doing ot for themselves out of necessity because they're being ignored in their requests for assistance.


What it does:
It allows local law enforcement to ask for proof of citizenship AFTER detaining someone for another crime. When someone is pulled over for speeding, arrested on drug offenses or any other legitimate reason, it adds an ability to request their legal status and hold them while they're looking it up and checking with proper immigration authorities. Keep in mind, this step is AFTER they're already arrested or stopped for other reasons. The law does not allow profiling or requesting legal status without reasonable suspicion or another crime already having taken place. It basically enforces immigration laws that have ALREADY been signed by the past few Presidents but aren't being allowed to be enforced because of the lack of cooperation or action by Federal Immigration authorities. This law allows State and Local law enforcement to do the job that the Feds refuse to do.

The spin from opposition:
Of course, the first argument is crying "racism" because they want to enforce existing immigration laws against a voting block for the Democrat Party. The President has blatantly lied about it, claiming that "people trying to take their daughter out for ice cream will be asked to show papers for no reason but how they look". That's 100% B.S.


[QUOTE]"Now suddenly if you don't have your papers, and you took your kid out to get ice cream, you're going to get harassed — that's something that could potentially happen," Obama said of the Arizona measure. "That's not the right way to go."
[url=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36800689/ns/politics-white_house/#storyContinued]In Iowa, Obama pleads for immigration reform - White House- msnbc.com[/url][/QUOTE]

Also, this week, the President gave a speech asking for the Hispanic vote and other minority votes. It has some serious racial divisions in his speech. Imagine the reaction is a white President gave a speech asking for the white vote as the key to his victory, excluding other racial groups.
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Texas wants the law now too. States have a right to protect themselves, especially when the Federal Government is ENABLING the law breakers.

[url=http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/politics/Rep-Wants-AZ-Immigration-Law-in-Texas-92305354.html]Texas Rep Wants to Import AZ Immigration Law | NBC Dallas-Fort Worth[/url]

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Two things, well probably more than that, are wrong with this law.

1) You can get pulled over or questioned by a police officer if they "reasonably suspect" you are an illegal immigrant. This law is blatantly oriented towards Hispanics. No other way around it.

2) It does absolutely nothing to address securing the borders. Nothing.

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[I]April 28, 2010 12:00 A.M.[/I]
[B]How Mexico Treats Illegal Aliens[/B]
[I]Their practices are discriminatory, corrupt, and abusive.[/I]


Mexican president Felipe Calderón has accused Arizona of opening the door “to intolerance, hate, discrimination, and abuse in law enforcement.” But Arizona has nothing on Mexico when it comes to cracking down on illegal aliens. While open-borders activists decry the new enforcement measures signed into law in “Nazi-zona” last week, they remain deaf, dumb, or willfully blind to the unapologetically restrictionist policies of our neighbors to the south.

The Arizona law bans sanctuary cities that refuse to enforce immigration laws, stiffens penalties against illegal-alien day laborers and their employers, makes it a misdemeanor for immigrants to fail to complete and carry an alien-registration document, and allows the police to arrest immigrants unable to show documents proving they are in the U.S. legally. If those rules constitute the racist, fascist, xenophobic, inhumane regime that the National Council of La Raza, Al Sharpton, Catholic bishops, and their grievance-mongering followers claim, then what about these regulations and restrictions imposed on foreigners?

The Mexican government will bar foreigners if they upset “the equilibrium of the national demographics.” How’s that for racial and ethnic profiling?

If outsiders do not enhance the country’s “economic or national interests” or are “not found to be physically or mentally healthy,” they are not welcome. Neither are those who show “contempt against national sovereignty or security.” They must not be economic burdens on society and must have clean criminal histories. Those seeking to obtain Mexican citizenship must show a birth certificate, provide a bank statement proving economic independence, pass an exam, and prove they can provide their own health care.

Illegal entry into the country is equivalent to a felony punishable by two years’ imprisonment. Document fraud is subject to fine and imprisonment; so is alien marriage fraud. Evading deportation is a serious crime; illegal re-entry after deportation is punishable by ten years’ imprisonment. Foreigners may be kicked out of the country without due process and the endless bites at the litigation apple that illegal aliens are afforded in our country (see, for example, President Obama’s illegal-alien aunt — a fugitive from deportation for eight years who is awaiting a second decision on her previously rejected asylum claim).

Law-enforcement officials at all levels — by national mandate — must cooperate to enforce immigration laws, including illegal-alien arrests and deportations. The Mexican military is also required to assist in immigration-enforcement operations. Native-born Mexicans are empowered to make citizens’ arrests of illegal aliens and turn them in to authorities.

Ready to show your papers? Mexico’s National Catalog of Foreigners tracks all outside tourists and foreign nationals. A National Population Registry tracks and verifies the identity of every member of the population, who must carry a citizens’ identity card. Visitors who do not possess proper documents and identification are subject to arrest as illegal aliens.

All of these provisions are enshrined in Mexico’s Ley General de Población (General Law of the Population) and were spotlighted in a 2006 research paper published by the Washington, D.C.–based Center for Security Policy. There’s been no public clamor for “comprehensive immigration reform” in Mexico, however, because pro-illegal-alien speech by outsiders is prohibited.

Consider: Open-borders protesters marched freely at the Capitol building in Arizona, comparing Republican governor Jan Brewer to Hitler, waving Mexican flags, advocating that demonstrators “smash the state,” and holding signs that proclaimed “No human is illegal” and “We have rights.”

But under the Mexican constitution, such political speech by foreigners is banned. Noncitizens cannot “in any way participate in the political affairs of the country.” In fact, a plethora of Mexican statutes enacted by its congress limit the participation of foreign nationals and companies in everything from investment, education, mining, and civil aviation to electric energy and firearms. Foreigners have severely limited (if any) private-property and employment rights.

As for abuse, the Mexican government is notorious for its abuse of Central American illegal aliens who attempt to violate Mexico’s southern border. The Red Cross has protested rampant Mexican police corruption, intimidation, and bribery schemes targeting illegal aliens there for years. Mexico didn’t respond by granting mass amnesty to illegal aliens, as it is demanding that we do. It clamped down on its borders even further. In late 2008, the Mexican government launched an aggressive deportation plan to curtain illegal Cuban immigration and human trafficking through Cancun.

Meanwhile, Mexican consular offices in the United States have coordinated with left-wing social-justice groups and the Catholic Church’s leadership to demand a moratorium on all deportations and a freeze on all employment raids across America.

Mexico is doing the job Arizona is now doing — a job the U.S. government has failed miserably to do: putting its people first. Here’s the proper rejoinder to all the hysterical demagogues in Mexico (and their sympathizers here on American soil) now calling for boycotts and invoking Jim Crow laws, apartheid, and the Holocaust because Arizona has taken its sovereignty into its own hands:

Hipócritas.

[url=http://article.nationalreview.com/432764/how-mexico-treats-illegal-aliens/michelle-malkin]How Mexico Treats Illegal Aliens - Michelle Malkin - National Review Online[/url]

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[quote=saden1;696558]The law "prevents" you from doing that though...the question I have is if nearly 30 percent of Arizonians are Hispanic how will they tell legals from illegals without profiling? What does profiling mean really? And how does it help?[/quote]
Well people seem to leave off the point that the officer must first have a reason for pulling the person over or approaching them. When they ask for a form of ID if the person does not have one then the officer is now required to follow up and either see documintation or take the person in. I don't see what the big deal is. I have been pulled without an driver lic. and in a matter of a minute or two a cop can verify who I am. Now if I'm an illegal I guess the cop will not be able to do this and thus your sent packing.

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It means they are exactling revenge fot the killing of tehe big time good ole boy rancher. My question is was the murder drug related? Seems like if you have a ranch on the Mexico-U.S. border you could easily make a few million a week as a drug pass through. Money talks. It attacks constitional rights of everyone. It says you can be pulled for no reason at all, "if your suspected of being illegal". What if I'm coming home at night from having a couple beers and get pulled for this garbage. You can't tell if someone is hispanic if it's night, and you are a cop pulling over cars. Same for roadblocks. They could set up road blocks that wouldn't be profiling, but who needs to give the police more powers to set up roadblocks.

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[quote=firstdown;696603]Well people seem to leave off the point that the officer must first have a reason for pulling the person over or approaching them. When they ask for a form of ID if the person does not have one then the officer is now required to follow up and either see documintation or take the person in. I don't see what the big deal is. I have been pulled without an driver lic. and in a matter of a minute or two a cop can verify who I am. Now if I'm an illegal I guess the cop will not be able to do this and thus your sent packing.[/quote]

How do you define "reasonably suspect"? And exactly what does an illegal immigrant look like anyways?

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[quote=12thMan;696590]Two things, well probably more than that, are wrong with this law.

1)[B] You can get pulled over or questioned by a police officer if they "reasonably suspect" you are an illegal immigrant. This law is blatantly oriented towards Hispanics. No other way around it. [/B]

2) It does absolutely nothing to address securing the borders. Nothing.[/quote]

Read the law before your speak about what it does and does not do because this statement is false.

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[quote=12thMan;696607]How do you define "reasonably suspect"? And exactly what does an illegal immigrant look like anyways?[/quote]
i did not use the term "reasonaby suspect" in my response. Whe are you getting that from the liberal media.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;696605]It attacks constitional rights of everyone. It says you can be pulled for no reason at all, "if your suspected of being illegal". What if I'm coming home at night from having a couple beers and get pulled for this garbage. You can't tell if someone is hispanic if it's night, and you are a cop pulling over cars. Same for roadblocks. They could set up road blocks that wouldn't be profiling, but who needs to give the police more powers to set up roadblocks.[/quote]


while i generally agree and i dont like this law or any that unnecessarily expands police powers, i'm not sure that the "hey this infringes on my right to drive drunk" defense is the best argument to make.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;696605]It means they are exactling revenge fot the killing of tehe big time good ole boy rancher. My question is was the murder drug related? Seems like if you have a ranch on the Mexico-U.S. border you could easily make a few million a week as a drug pass through. Money talks. It attacks constitional rights of everyone. It says you can be pulled for no reason at all, [B]"if your suspected of being illegal[/B]". What if I'm coming home at night from having a couple beers and get pulled for this garbage. You can't tell if someone is hispanic if it's night, and you are a cop pulling over cars. Same for roadblocks. They could set up road blocks that wouldn't be profiling, but who needs to give the police more powers to set up roadblocks.[/quote]

Wrong you might want to read the law first. Seems like the left is more concerned of the illegals then the legal citzens that have to put up with this every day. 1 out of 4 people in jail are illegals.

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[quote=firstdown;696612]i did not use the term "reasonaby suspect" in my response. Whe are you getting that from the liberal media.[/quote]


ha, the "liberal media," that's the biggest myth there is....
but that's another thread.

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[quote=firstdown;696612]i did not use the term "reasonaby suspect" in my response. Whe are you getting that from the liberal media.[/quote]

What does liberal media have to do with my reply? The liberal media didn't write the law. LOL You're a piece a work sometimes:)

Here's what the provision in the law actually reads:
"For any lawful contact made by a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency…where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person…"

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Sounds like a Salem Witch Hunt to me.

How do European countries "defend" their boarders or deal with illegals? I am just wondering since it would seem that would have to be an issue every there considering the number countries that boarder each other.

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[quote=firstdown;696608]Read the law before your speak about what it does and does not do because this statement is false.[/quote]
Well let's just say cops will pull you over for anything if they really want to. I've been pulled over because my bumper was on top of the white line at an intersection, the cop said it's technically too far into the intersection, but they only do it at night to check for drunk drivers. They can always claim that you took a turn too fast or whatever.

However, I really don't have an issue if there's a citizenship check after a crime has been committed. Does AZ hand out licenses to illegals.. or what other type of ID?

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[quote=Rainy Parade;696613]while i generally agree and i dont like this law or any that unnecessarily expands police powers, i'm not sure that the "hey this infringes on my right to drive drunk" defense is the best argument to make.[/quote]

I am jsut trying to convey, this law is not good for anyone who does not like being pulled by police.

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[quote=firstdown;696614]Wrong you might want to read the law first. Seems like the left is more concerned of the illegals then the legal citzens that have to put up with this every day. 1 out of 4 people in jail are illegals.[/quote]

Ever heard of cocaine?

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;696625]I am jsut trying to convey, this law is not good for anyone who does not like being pulled by police.[/quote]

Go read the law so you no what your talking about. They can only question someone if they are pulled over for something else like speeding first.

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[quote=mredskins;696622]Sounds like a Salem Witch Hunt to me.

How do European countries "defend" their boarders or deal with illegals? I am just wondering since it would seem that would have to be an issue every there considering the number countries that boarder each other.[/quote]

to my limited understanding alot of countries in the EU only accept "professional" immigrants. such as computer techs from india vs black guy from africa.

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[quote=tryfuhl;696623]Well let's just say cops will pull you over for anything if they really want to. I've been pulled over because my bumper was on top of the white line at an intersection, the cop said it's technically too far into the intersection, but they only do it at night to check for drunk drivers. They can always claim that you took a turn too fast or whatever.

However, I really don't have an issue if there's a citizenship check after a crime has been committed. Does AZ hand out licenses to illegals.. or what other type of ID?[/quote]

Not sure some states do and I never figured out why a state would give an illegal an ID.

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[quote=saden1;696550]I would have thought someone would have started a thread about this but I guess I will. What's the point of this law? I don't get it.[/quote]The primary point to this statute is to provide for the state to take action against any locality that refuses to enforce laws already in place. This law brings a uniform state-wide policy to bear to combat the problems that AZ has been facing for years while politicians on both sides of the aisle in DC bury their heads, while trying to appeal/not offend to the Hispanic voting bloc.

In a nutshell it makes the "sanctuary cities" liable for legal action by the state for not enforcing Federal and State of Arizona law. This I'm sure is a bigger problem in AZ than it is in VA. But I live in the sanctuary city of Virginia Beach. The previous Mayor and police chief had a policy to not report illegals to ICE, in addition to the burden illegal immigrants put on the City services (police, medical, social services) two teenage girls are dead, directly because of this policy (killed by a drunk driving illegal who had been released twice before for alcohol issues).

Here's the a link to the actual text of the statutes:

[URL="http://www.keytlaw.com/blog/2010/04/anti-illegal-immigration-law-part-1/"]Text of Arizona's Anti-Illegal Immigration Law - Part 1 | KEYTLaw[/URL]

These statutes seek enforcement not only directly against illegal immigrants but also against companies that employ them.

President Obama is making a purely political play (and he damn well knows it) in misrepresenting what these statutes contain. This isn't about racism, it's about AZ protecting the people of the state from the negative consequences of illegal immigrants. Unfortunately, the murder of the rancher was the straw that broke the camels' back.

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[quote=over the mountain;696631]to my limited understanding alot of countries in the EU only accept "professional" immigrants. such as computer techs from india vs black guy from africa.[/quote]

I think you're right. And they've been experiencing a huge influx of Eastern Europeans, with skills, which landed Gordon Brown in hot water yesterday for a comment he made about the problem.

Anyway, some believe the immigrants have helped improve the UK's economy over the past three years, while others are complaining that the unemployment rate among Brits is going through the roof.

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I worked for the montgomery county circuit court for a bit, dealt with a lot of major crimes, murders, MS-13, rapes, etc.

the percent of child sexual offenders who were illegal aliens was astonishing. im talking 3 out of 4 offenders. sometimes on their own daughter (that guy decided not to show up day 2 of trial, he probably lives in your neighborhood now since ICE wasnt involved), sometimes an illegal would get all drunk and climb into a 10 year old girls bedroom hovering over her right before the dad came in.

im not making a generalization, im basing this strictly what i experienced. it was astonishing, the percent of illegals that have sexual predator addictions. different culture i assume plays into it.

of course, md and va have a higher number of illegals than say kansas (i assume).

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[quote=firstdown;696630]Go read the law so you no what your talking about. They can only question someone if they are pulled over for something else like speeding first.[/quote]

It's the demographic bomb. I hate to say that word demographics out loud. It makes my fellow countrymen uneasy.

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Well I live here in Phoenix and the illegal immigrant issue is a big problem. They are receiving benefits, food stamps and getting health coverage. I feel torn, as do many here in AZ, about this law. On one hand, I am all for getting control of the problem but I can also see the other side. Some law enforcement will certainly abuse this.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;696635]The primary point to this statute is to provide for the state to take action against any locality that refuses to enforce laws already in place. This law brings a uniform state-wide policy to bear to combat the problems that AZ has been facing for years while politicians on both sides of the aisle in DC bury their heads, while trying to appeal/not offend to the Hispanic voting bloc.

In a nutshell it makes the "sanctuary cities" liable for legal action by the state for not enforcing Federal and State of Arizona law. This I'm sure is a bigger problem in AZ than it is in VA. But I live in the sanctuary city of Virginia Beach. The previous Mayor and police chief had a policy to not report illegals to ICE, in addition to the burden illegal immigrants put on the City services (police, medical, social services) two teenage girls are dead, directly because of this policy (killed by a drunk driving illegal who had been released twice before for alcohol issues).

Here's the a link to the actual text of the statutes:

[URL="http://www.keytlaw.com/blog/2010/04/anti-illegal-immigration-law-part-1/"]Text of Arizona's Anti-Illegal Immigration Law - Part 1 | KEYTLaw[/URL]

These statutes seek enforcement not only directly against illegal immigrants but also against companies that employ them.

President Obama is making a purely political play (and he damn well knows it) in misrepresenting what these statutes contain. This isn't about racism, it's about AZ protecting the people of the state from the negative consequences of illegal immigrants. Unfortunately, the murder of the rancher was the straw that broke the camels' back.[/quote]

What did Obama say that misrepresented the law? To the best of my knowledge, he made some general comments about it, but never cited anything specifically that's contained therein.

As far as making politics out of this, you have reasonable Republicans coming out against this law too. This isn't a right vs. left issue. I don't see how either party gains political advantage on this one.

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[quote=firstdown;696630]Go read the law so you [B]no[/B] what [B]your [/B]talking about. They can only question someone if they are pulled over for something else like speeding first.[/quote]


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[quote=Rainy Parade;696643]know

you're[/quote]You haven't been hear long. Youwl get used to redding firstdowns posts.

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It's a politcal ploy in that the fringe regional Republicans are attempting to force the administration to push through an immigration policy they can use as a wedge issue to siphon off independents. But it's a weak ploy, and it won't pass the Federal Court sniff test.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;696625]I am jsut trying to convey, this law is not good for anyone who does not like being pulled by police.[/quote]

i agree....
but your previous post (and this one too kinda) implies that drunk drivers are among the people who dont like being pulled over and i think we all agree that they should be.
i assume you meant that if you have 2 beers and are not drunk, you don't need to be hassled by the cops on the off chance that you fail a breathalizer or something.....

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[quote=12thMan;696642]What did Obama say that misrepresented the law? To the best of my knowledge, he made some general comments about it, but never cited anything specifically that's contained therein.

As far as making politics out of this, you have reasonable Republicans coming out against this law too. This isn't a right vs. left issue. I don't see how either party gains political advantage on this one.[/quote]
See post # 7. One thing Obama is NOT, is stupid. I'm just a guy on a messageboard and I found the info on the law in less than 5 min. Obama knows exactly what's in/not in the statutes. What he stated is certainly not something that can reasonably be assumed to happen the way they're written. For him to make the statement he did is a purely political play.

I don't know who the "reasonable Republicans" are coming out against this law, but I'll bet it's safe to assume they're pandering to a Hispanic voting bloc in their district/state. You're absolutely correct, the security of the people of the U.S. isn't a right/left issue and I'll bet you could take a handful of members from this board, on both sides of the political spectrum, and come up with a reasonable solution to the illegal immigration issue that satisifed both sides. However, for the vast majority of politicians in DC its about power and keeping their jobs. The Hispanic voting bloc is already (or will be very shortly) the largest minority voting bloc in the country. How this issue is spun is key to gaining/losing support with a good portion of this voting bloc....so I would say there is definitely politcal advantage to be had here.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;696650]It's a politcal ploy in that the fringe regional Republicans are attempting to force the administration to push through an immigration policy they can use as a wedge issue to siphon off independents. But it's a weak ploy, and [B]it won't pass the Federal Court sniff test[/B].[/quote]Really, have you read the statutes? The vast majority of them are a re-enforcement of existing Arizona and Federal law.

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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Its kind of like breathalyzer laws. If you get pulled over for a illegal u-turn or a non-dui related issues and then a officer has a suspicion to believe you have been drinking he can require you to take a breathalyzer, in VA. In VA you have to submit to breathalyzers as part of your agreement to hold a drivers license. [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]So this just requires non-citizens to carry documentation papers with them at all times, but citizens do not have to. As long as police cannot approach someone or detain them on suspicion of being illegal, and as long as citizens or people the police cannot verify are illegal are immediately sent on their way I got no beef with the law. If you get stopped for doing something wrong police should be able to verify someone’s right to live here. [/FONT][/COLOR]

I remember seeing this sign when i visited CA early this year:

[url=http://www.cgstock.com/5399]stock photo - Caution:Illegal Immigrant Crossing[/url]

They dont put these signs up because there isnt a serious problem going on. These states have to do something.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;696655]Really, have you read the statutes? The vast majority of them are a re-enforcement of existing Arizona and Federal law.[/quote]

Well what's gonna make this law enforced when the previous ones were not enforced?

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[quote=mlmpetert;696656][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Its kind of like breathalyzer laws. If you get pulled over for a illegal u-turn or a non-dui related issues and then a officer has a suspicion to believe you have been drinking he can require you to take a breathalyzer, in VA. In VA you have to submit to breathalyzers as part of your agreement to hold a drivers license. [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]So this just requires non-citizens to carry documentation papers with them at all times, but citizens do not have to. As long as police cannot approach someone or detain them on suspicion of being illegal, and as long as citizens or people the police cannot verify are illegal are immediately sent on their way I got no beef with the law. If you get stopped for doing something wrong police should be able to verify someone’s right to live here. [/FONT][/COLOR]

I remember seeing this sign when i visited CA early this year:

[url=http://www.cgstock.com/5399]stock photo - Caution:Illegal Immigrant Crossing[/url]

They dont put these signs up because there isnt a serious problem going on. These states have to do something.[/quote]


Why is it so urgent now and not while Bush was in office? The timing of this is fishy.