Carpenter for Barron trade in the works
 

I posted this cause I know there are some Barron fans.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d817fee6f&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true]Cowboys will trade LB Carpenter to Rams for OT Barron on Monday[/url]

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no news here. both scrubs

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;699447]I posted this cause [B]I know there are some Barron fans.[/B]

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d817fee6f&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true]Cowboys will trade LB Carpenter to Rams for OT Barron on Monday[/url][/quote]

I have been tagged as a Barron fan. I am not a fan of the penalty king. I simply predicted that we would pick him up whether I liked it or not. Clearly I was wrong.

Bartel, on the other hand, will lead us to a championship.

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[quote=dmek25;699448]no news here. both scrubs[/quote]

Absolutely right.:sleep:

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First round bust for another first round bust........sounds fair.

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An exchange of mediocrity. Yawn.

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Pft reported this over a week ago, and yea both are below avg players anyway.. Dallas thinks Barron will replace Adams lmao! Adams was twice the LT

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[quote=skinsfaninok;699653]Pft reported this over a week ago, and yea both are below avg players anyway.. Dallas thinks Barron will replace Adams lmao! Adams was twice the LT[/quote]
Thats PFT for you, cant get it right.

Doug Free is taking over at LT in place of Flozell. Barron is being acquired to line depth only.

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Free ever play LT before?

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i wonder why carpenter never panned out. he looked like a can't miss coming out of ohio state.

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[quote=dmek25;699664]Free ever play LT before?[/quote]

Not full time. He filled in a for a long period last year at RT and a little at LT and did ok. Dallas is rolling the dice that he can handle LT full time.

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Is Barron better than Heyer and/or Hicks? Ta-da!

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[quote=diehard;699682]Is Barron better than Heyer and/or Hicks? Ta-da![/quote]

Honestly it's not hard to be better than Heyer! That dude is a bum..

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Heyer has the size so it's gonna be interesting to see if he can improve under a new offensive line coach.

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[quote=skinsfan69;699666]i wonder why carpenter never panned out. he looked like a can't miss coming out of ohio state.[/quote]

You cant be serious. He looked like puke in college. The only thing I saw in his so called highlight footage was Donte Whitner and AJ hawk making plays.

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[quote=Valleyranchgirl;701663]You cant be serious. He looked like puke in college. The only thing I saw in his so called highlight footage was Donte Whitner and AJ hawk making plays.[/quote]


He always looked good to me with the star on his helmet whiffing in open space...

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;701687]He always looked good to me with the star on his helmet whiffing in open space...[/quote]

Ahh yes. The wonderful Barbie Carpenter ladies and gentleman. Not that the Cowboys haven't made some solid draft choices, but between Barbie and what they gave up to land Roy Williams... Eeesh.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;701687]He always looked good to me with the star on his helmet whiffing in open space...[/quote]

and not being able to get off a block. I can just remember how the oline blocked the sh*t out of him on hard knocks it was just funny. Good riddance to crap. So long Cory Procter too. It has been a good month for Dallas. Bryant looking hot and adds nothing but fire power to the offense that already has a lot of play makers. The only concern is Jason Garrett, more oline depth and FS because Ball light behind is not starter material.

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[quote=GMScud;701688]Ahh yes. The wonderful Barbie Carpenter ladies and gentleman. Not that the Cowboys haven't made some solid draft choices, but between Barbie and what they gave up to land Roy Williams... Eeesh.[/quote]


I still don't think it is as bad as paying 100 million to a DT who does not play every snap and wants out of DC after one season.

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[quote=Valleyranchgirl;701821]I still don't think it is as bad as paying 100 million to a DT who does not play every snap and wants out of DC after one season.[/quote]

41 mil and he played more snaps than our other DT's

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[quote=tryfuhl;701822]41 mil and he played more snaps than our other DT's[/quote]

[url=http://profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=DT&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=0&numgames=1]ProFootballFocus.com - By Position[/url]

Golston played more. However, Golston was the one who got his arse double teamed and pushed back 50000 yds on the Johnathan Stewart TD. He was also getting ass kicked by Detroit's RG.

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[quote=tryfuhl;701822]41 mil and he played more snaps than our other DT's[/quote]
Not any more. Now he's off in corner whining.

So hows AH looking at OTA's?

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[quote=sandtrapjack;701835]Not any more. Now he's off in corner whining.

So hows AH looking at OTA's?[/quote]

About the same as all the draft picks you guys gave up for Roy Williams, of course once AH shows up for the mandatories he will actually produce.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;701835]Not any more. Now he's off in corner whining.

So hows AH looking at OTA's?[/quote]

Wow, you sound like the fans here. They aren't mandatory, he's making bread because he can do what no other DT that we have had here for a while can. That's create pressure. The dude was here for every workout last year and came in fat, this year he went to a guy that can get him in shape. We'll be good. Tony will be ok coming out of the hospital too.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;701838]Wow, you sound like the fans here. They aren't mandatory, he's making bread because he can do what no other DT that we have had here for a while can. That's create pressure. The dude was here for every workout last year and came in fat, this year he went to a guy that can get him in shape. We'll be good. Tony will be ok coming out of the hospital too.[/quote]
Ok, you just go on and keep believing that.
And if you do, TRULY believe that, I have some beach front property in Death Valley I'd like to sell you.

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[quote=Valleyranchgirl;701821]I still don't think it is as bad as paying 100 million to a DT who does not play every snap and wants out of DC after one season.[/quote]

Better pick a better player to attack, a lot of people will find this more of a compliment rather than an insult.

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[quote=Valleyranchgirl;701821]I still don't think it is as bad as paying 100 million to a DT who does not play every snap and wants out of DC after one season.[/quote]

Albert looks like a steal compared to Roy Williams. And for the 100 millionth time, the contract was 4 for 48. There is a 32 million dollar poison pill in year 5.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;701949]Albert looks like a steal compared to Roy Williams. And for the 100 millionth time, the contract was 4 for 48. There is a 32 million dollar poison pill in year 5.[/quote]
This guy plays in 12 games, only 12. And starts whining and sniffling?

12 games! And you say 4 for 48????

Wow, I was not a fan of the Roy Williams trade, but in comparison, it sure is looking better and better.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;701833][URL="http://profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=DT&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=0&numgames=1"]ProFootballFocus.com - By Position[/URL]

Golston played more. However, Golston was the one who got his arse double teamed and pushed back 50000 yds on the Johnathan Stewart TD. He was also getting ass kicked by Detroit's RG.[/quote]
ahh yeah Golston had about 2/3 of a game's more..

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[quote=sandtrapjack;701848]Ok, you just go on and keep believing that.
And if you do, TRULY believe that, I have some beach front property in Death Valley I'd like to sell you.[/quote]
what are you even here to discuss? it appears nothing

if you're just here to talk shit you might as well not even be here, especially since you're not very good at it to begin with

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[quote=sandtrapjack;701989]This guy plays in 12 games, only 12. And starts whining and sniffling?

12 games! And you say 4 for 48????

Wow, I was not a fan of the Roy Williams trade, but in comparison, it sure is looking better and better.[/quote]
except AH has had game-changing plays, you should remember that unless you drank the pain and memories away

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[quote=sandtrapjack;701989]This guy plays in 12 games, only 12. And starts whining and sniffling?

12 games! And you say 4 for 48????

Wow, I was not a fan of the Roy Williams trade, but in comparison, it sure is looking better and better.[/quote]

I think Ke$ha wrote a song about you

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[quote=tryfuhl;701995]except AH has had game-changing plays, you should remember that unless you drank the pain and memories away[/quote]
Game changing? What do you mean "game changing"? The team went 4-12! Changed what exactly?

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[quote=sandtrapjack;702051]Game changing? What do you mean "game changing"? The team went 4-12! Changed what exactly?[/quote]

I think 4-12 had to do with a lot of things that AH had nothing to do with (like the FO who made terrible decisions like going after AH).

While I have my bias, I will try to be objective about the following statement. Both the Cowboys and the Redskins have not gotten what they expected out of their respective acquisitions. Roy Williams was a non-factor and the Cowboys still did well; Haynesworth played well but the Redskins still were bad.

Looking at it from a compensation standpoint, the trade for Roy Williams was more costly to the Cowboys than the Haynesworth acquisition. Dallas gave up a lot of picks and got nothing for them. The Redskins gave up a lot of money for Haynesworth, and he wasn't necessarily the answer to a terrible team. But, because of the lack of a salary cap, well Haynesworth ended costing money that will not count against the cap and affect the team that much. Whereas with the Cowboys, well the draft is still happening, and they are never getting those picks back.

Personally, I think Haynesworth is a bad example, I would liken the whole Roy Williams situation to the Jason Taylor acquisition.

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[quote=Ruhskins;702069]I think 4-12 had to do with a lot of things that AH had nothing to do with (like the FO who made terrible decisions like going after AH).

While I have my bias, I will try to be objective about the following statement. Both the Cowboys and the Redskins have not gotten what they expected out of their respective acquisitions. Roy Williams was a non-factor and the Cowboys still did well; Haynesworth played well but the Redskins still were bad.

Looking at it from a compensation standpoint, the trade for Roy Williams was more costly to the Cowboys than the Haynesworth acquisition. Dallas gave up a lot of picks and got nothing for them. The Redskins gave up a lot of money for Haynesworth, and he wasn't necessarily the answer to a terrible team. But, because of the lack of a salary cap, well Haynesworth ended costing money that will not count against the cap and affect the team that much. Whereas with the Cowboys, well the draft is still happening, and they are never getting those picks back.

Personally, I think Haynesworth is a bad example, I would liken the whole Roy Williams situation to the Jason Taylor acquisition.[/quote]
Good post. I can accept that.

Perhaps it was my misconception of the term "game changing". A game changer is that punt run back for 6 that shifts momentum. The pick-6 late in the 4th quarter when down by 7. That sack and fumble/turnover in the oppositions red zone in a close game. Etc etc...

But the difference now is that Roy Williams has been working harder in the off season to IMPROVE his shortcomings. RW is at OTA's, he is at the volutary workouts and is putting forth every effort to at least try to live up to the trade and contract.

Whereas AH, after 12 games, has made it clear he just does not want to be there. No effort to live up to the contract.

And as for the draft picks surrendered by Dallas to get RW. technically it was just one pick, albiet a first round pick. The second draft pick was acquired from Miami in a trade for Jason Fergeson who had outlived his welcome with his age and the emergence of Jay Ratliff.

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[quote=skinsfan69;699666]i wonder why carpenter never panned out. he looked like a can't miss coming out of ohio state.[/quote]

You said right there ohio state just like ted ginn and other bum buckeyes.

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[quote=skinsfan69;699666]i wonder why carpenter never panned out. he looked like a can't miss coming out of ohio state.[/quote]

Did you catch any of Hard Knocks when Dallas was on? He was very shy when it came to contact. Not physical enough.

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[quote=skinsfan69;699666]i wonder why carpenter never panned out. he looked like a can't miss coming out of ohio state.[/quote]
Carp benefited by playing next to A.J. Hawk at OSU.