Missouri Cops Raid House... Shoots Dogs with Children Present
 

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbwSwvUaRqc]YouTube - Columbia Mo SWAT Raid 2/11/2010. Cops Shoot Pets With Children Present[/ame]

First off, I'm not going to pretend like I know anything about police/SWAT team protocol... But it seems like shooting a caged dog and an otherwise harmless Corgi seems absolutely ridiculous. If the dude's got the pit running around barking, snarling or otherwise a risk to the team's life, it seems rather obvious you're going to protect your own life. But a caged dog and in front of kids!? Give me a break.

The guy does have drugs on him, but he's no drug lord, like I think they expected him to be.

I feel bad when the guy starts crying about them shooting his dogs and the part where they shot the dog and the dog starts crying, so they just blow it away (shot it 3 more times) killed me.

I mean is this REALLY the SWAT tactics they teach nowadays? :doh:

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I couldnt watch it,but if thats what happened these cops should be treated like Mike Vick,thats complete bullshit

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This case is reminiscent of the one that happend here in Maryland just a little while back.

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i'm not certain that the dog was in a cage. the guy asks the officer "why did you shoot my dog" ? he then says, about his dog, "he was prolly comming to play with you". that suggests that the dog was not in a cage and was moving towards a swat member.

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[quote=wolfeskins;699541]i'm not certain that the dog was in a cage. the guy asks the officer "why did you shoot my dog" ? he then says, about his dog, "he was prolly comming to play with you". that suggests that the dog was not in a cage and was moving towards a swat member.[/quote]

There was 2 dogs, the pit bull that was caged, and the Corgi that was not. They shot both.

P.S. have you ever seen a Corgi? Their bites might hurt, but they definitely aren't a threat to your life.

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[quote=wolfeskins;699541]i'm not certain that the dog was in a cage. the guy asks the officer "why did you shoot my dog" ? he then says, about his dog, "he was prolly comming to play with you". that suggests that the dog was not in a cage and was moving towards a swat member.[/quote]

since im not going to watch the video I dont know if the dog was in the cage or not,but have you seen a corgi? Its the size of a weinie dog{dachsund} fucking cop shouldnt be afraid of a fucking corgi,what a dick

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[quote=htownskinfan;699543][B]since im not going to watch the video[/B] I dont know if the dog was in the cage or not,but have you seen a corgi? Its the size of a weinie dog{dachsund} fucking cop shouldnt be afraid of a fucking corgi,what a dick[/quote]

Just so you guys know, they don't show the actual killing of the dogs, you hear the gunshots, the dogs crying, some more gunshots and then its over.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;699544]Just so you guys know, they don't show the actual killing of the dogs, you hear the gunshots, the dogs crying, some more gunshots and then its over.[/quote]

yeah,I dont want to hear the dogs crying either

I call him Killer.
 

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[quote=DynamiteRave;699542]There was 2 dogs, the pit bull that was caged, and the Corgi that was not. They shot both.

P.S. have you ever seen a Corgi? Their bites might hurt, but they definitely aren't a threat to your life.[/quote]
Corgis are little yappers and would have a hard time hurting somebody, especially in SWAT gear, so it's just ridiculous. Cop won't face anything real which is disgusting.

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Been trying to find an explanation for shooting the dogs like that but I suppose because they're cops, they don't have to answer questions.

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idk, if i'm a cop and am about to raid a house with my gun drawn i know my adrenalin(sp) is gonna be pumpin pretty hard. when i bust into that house i'm not sure what i'll find or what i'll have to face. a dog,even if it's small and just nipping at my ankles, could be a hinderance. what if i have to give chase after someone or get into a physical altercation with someone, i don't need a dog of any size bitting me while i'm trying to control a suspect.
i'm not trying to defend the cops but i'm not 100% convinced they did anything wrong.

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[quote=htownskinfan;699543]since im not going to watch the video I dont know if the dog was in the cage or not,but have you seen a corgi? Its the size of a weinie dog{dachsund} fucking cop shouldnt be afraid of a fucking corgi,what a dick[/quote]

You don't really see anything. All that happens is you hear shots fired and by the time the camera is in the door everything is pretty much finished.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;699628]Been trying to find an explanation for shooting the dogs like that but I suppose because they're cops, they don't have to answer questions.[/quote]

well it happened in feb,and i havent heard anything about this till you posted it so I doubt the cops are in any danger of anything.How did you hear about it?

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[quote=htownskinfan;699652]well it happened in feb,and i havent heard anything about this till you posted it so I doubt the cops are in any danger of anything.How did you hear about it?[/quote]

Someone posted it on facebook a couple days ago. Of course this happened out in the heartlands, I'd be surprised if it even made it on the local news out there.

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Unless there's a hostage situation, or someone's life is in immediate danger, there should be NO REASON for police to raid the home of any American citizen.

Because of the tv show COPS, and others like it, we have been conditioned to accept things like this.

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You say the cops are wrong for shooting the dog with kids in the house but I guess its Ok for the guy to deal drugs out of the home. If he was not dealing drugs then the cops would not have knock down his door or shot the dogs. The clip does not show what happend so as to what they did its hard to tell why.

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fuck theses cops they can go f themselves they remind me of the heartless faggots who i was with overseas who thought it was fun to shoot dogs walking around the city. it really is a shame this never was made into a story, most likely because the guy was dealing and had a lot of drugs so the senseless shotting got swept under the rug. and to say well the guy was dealing drugs in the house so the cops had to bust down his door and shoot his dogs hardly these ar ejust another example of pussies who got picked on in school and now think they are hot shit cause the have a badge and a gun. newsflash for anyone who thiunks this is right the first rule you are taught when you are given a deadly weapon is you can only use your deadly weapon if you are being threatened by a deadly weapon, i would say this is hardly a deadly weapon
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No doubt about it, they shot the dogs without hesitation. Is this standard procedure? It's fucked up...I can see a lawsuit. Get'em.

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[quote=Beemnseven;699663]Unless there's a hostage situation, or someone's life is in immediate danger, there should be NO REASON for police to raid the home of any American citizen.

Because of the tv show COPS, and others like it, we have been conditioned to accept things like this.[/quote]

I tend to agree with this. Especially in this case. I keep coming back to the question, "why was SWAT even involved?". It seemed unnecessary given the circumstances. They could have surveilled the guy the guy for a week, picked him up on the street and served the warrant on the premises with him in custody in another part of town.

To shoot a family's dog like that is just not right. Watching the video, you couldn't even tell there was a dog there until it started crying after being shot. This begs the question, what was the dog doing to deserve a bullet (they couldn't even get the job done with a single bullet, though)? It certainly doesn't appear as though the officer was protecting himself. Trigger happy is probably the appropriate term, unfortunately.

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[quote=firstdown;699669]You say the cops are wrong for shooting the dog with kids in the house but I guess its Ok for the guy to deal drugs out of the home. If he was not dealing drugs then the cops would not have knock down his door or shot the dogs. The clip does not show what happend so as to what they did its hard to tell why.[/quote]

i agree with you FD. the guy was putting his children,wife and dogs in harms way by dealing drugs from his home. he's lucky it was his dogs that were killed and not his wife or children. everyone is so quick to bash the cops but they don't say anything about this bum dealing drugs.

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[quote=wolfeskins;699705]i agree with you FD. the guy was putting his children,wife and dogs in harms way by dealing drugs from his home. he's lucky it was his dogs that were killed and not his wife or children. everyone is so quick to bash the cops [B]but they don't say anything about this bum dealing drugs[/B].[/quote]

All that was found was a pipe used to smoke weed and there was some resin on it. He was not dealing drugs.

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[quote=firstdown;699669]You say the cops are wrong for shooting the dog with kids in the house but I guess its Ok for the guy to deal drugs out of the home. If he was not dealing drugs then the cops would not have knock down his door or shot the dogs. The clip does not show what happend so as to what they did its hard to tell why.[/quote]

He was found with a pipe with some resin and a small amount of weed. (i.e. probably not enough to be charged with "selling" but more than likely, "in possession of") This is why America's drug laws are completely effin' ridiculous. If the dude's just smokin for himself, what harm is he causing? If he wants to smoke and wreck his own body, he has a right to.

Now if the dude is some druglord stashing bricks of coke/weed/crack whatever and is selling it to the neighborhood, that's entirely different.

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I wish they would raid the guys house two doors down from me. I swear the guy must have like 15 dogs at his house. About once a week they let them all out at once and it sounds like walking into a city bound. Someone said they show dogs but from the sound of all those dogs it sounds more like a pupy mill.

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[quote=firstdown;699669]You say the cops are wrong for shooting the dog with kids in the house but I guess its Ok for the guy to deal drugs out of the home. If he was not dealing drugs then the cops would not have knock down his door or shot the dogs. The clip does not show what happend so as to what they did its hard to tell why.[/quote]
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Congratulations Y'all! Yeah they can bust down the door of a pothead and shoot his dogs, but they can't find Bin Laden, stop meth from flowing over the border, or stop Goldman Sachs from screwing over people? It's all a big effing lie. I hope y'all wake up.

I heard about it on Alex Jones U-Tube channel a few days ago.

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lol I pulled this up on my phone at work and laughed pretty hard. <3 tryfuhl for making my day a little better.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;700039]lol I pulled this up on my phone at work and laughed pretty hard. <3 tryfuhl for making my day a little better.[/quote]
I couldn't come up with anything until I had already posted it.. then thought of several better ones but then got lazy.. oh well haha

np, everything been going well? you've been noticeably absent!

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Well, I just saw that video for the first time. I honestly wanted to avoid it, but I wound up seeing it on an online clip of the Andrew Napolitano show.

The video is sickening and maddening at the same time. The funny thing is, this type of raid happens about 100 times a day in America, according to reports. The libertarian CATO institute actually has a [URL="http://www.cato.org/raidmap/"]map[/URL] which tells you where botched raids are taking place. For some reason, this particular video has gone viral, but it wasn't even like so many others where the police get the wrong house, or where an innocent citizen was killed.

[URL="http://reason.com/people/radley-balko/all"]Radley Balko[/URL] of Reason Magazine has been writing on the subject of paramilitary police raids for nonviolent offenses for years. But for some reason, most people turn a blind eye to the issue; I guess it's been engrained into our psyche as though this is a normal practice.

Seeing it truly makes you ask the question -- what country is this? You'd think this is former Soviet-bloc type stuff. But it's not. This is America in the 21st century.

So much for the land of the free.

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[quote=saden1;699680]No doubt about it, they shot the dogs without hesitation. Is this standard procedure? It's fucked up...I can see a lawsuit. Get'em.[/quote]Unfortunately in the eyes of the law the only value a pet has is "replacement cost", so a lawsuit probably wouldn't work. But what they should be prosecuted for is animal cruelty violations.....good luck getting a prosecutor to go along with that, though. And yes, it's very F-ed up. I don't care to watch the video, it would infuriate me and I would wish I hadn't seen it. F these a-hole cops.

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[quote=Beemnseven;700845]Well, I just saw that video for the first time. I honestly wanted to avoid it, but I wound up seeing it on an online clip of the Andrew Napolitano show.

The video is sickening and maddening at the same time. The funny thing is, this type of raid happens about 100 times a day in America, according to reports. The libertarian CATO institute actually has a [URL="http://www.cato.org/raidmap/"]map[/URL] which tells you where botched raids are taking place. For some reason, this particular video has gone viral, but it wasn't even like so many others where the police get the wrong house, or where an innocent citizen was killed.

[URL="http://reason.com/people/radley-balko/all"]Radley Balko[/URL] of Reason Magazine has been writing on the subject of paramilitary police raids for nonviolent offenses for years. But for some reason, most people turn a blind eye to the issue; I guess it's been engrained into our psyche as though this is a normal practice.

Seeing it truly makes you ask the question -- what country is this? You'd think this is former Soviet-bloc type stuff. But it's not. This is America in the 21st century.

So much for the land of the free.[/quote]

I'm glad I'm not the only one.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;700861]I'm glad I'm not the only one.[/quote]

Yeah, hopefully this video will make people wake the hell up.

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[quote=Beemnseven;700933]Yeah, hopefully this video will make people wake the hell up.[/quote]
doubtful.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;700934]doubtful.[/quote]

In a way, you're exactly right. After all, [I]We the People [/I]over and over elect the same politicians who will keep these policies in place. At the same time, it is a virtual certainty that any candidate who comes on the scene and is openly skeptical of the drug war doesn't stand a chance.

We get the government we deserve.

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[url=http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/05/16/michigan.police.child/]7-year-old girl killed in Detroit police raid - CNN.com[/url]

the report i heard said they went in the wroing side of a duplex. this is insane, there are no excuses imo, none.

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[quote=Beemnseven;701242]In a way, you're exactly right. After all, [I]We the People [/I]over and over elect the same politicians who will keep these policies in place. At the same time, it is a virtual certainty that any candidate who comes on the scene and is openly skeptical of the drug war doesn't stand a chance.

[B]We get the government we deserve.[/B][/quote]
that's a sad thing. not to get too biblical, but that quote reminds me of when the Israelites had left Egypt, and by biblical accounts seen many miracles and proofs of God's guidance, but they resisted, and wanted a king like the other nations had. God basically said, you want it you got it, but know that you will have good and bad leaders, and good and bad times.(heavy paraphrase)

The US too often strives to be like "the other nations" instead of looking at what made this country strong (and jtf, I am not reminiscing about slavery, but the self determination of localities, protected from external threats by a minimal federal government)

D*** I hate the off-season!

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[url=http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/family-7-year-old-528289.html]Family: 7-year-old shot by police was asleep | ajc.com[/url]

[url=http://www.citrusdaily.com/7-yo-girl-killed-during-detroit-police-raid/2010/05/17/43157.html]7 Y/o Girl Killed During Detroit Police Raid | Citrus Daily - Citrus County News[/url]

a few other articles, just crazy

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[quote=mlmdub130;701458][url=http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/05/16/michigan.police.child/]7-year-old girl killed in Detroit police raid - CNN.com[/url]

the report i heard said they went in the wroing side of a duplex. this is insane, there are no excuses imo, none.[/quote]

I saw that in a tweet, and thought of this thread as well. Without hearing the whole story, there simply is no excuse for the murder of a 7 yo girl in a raid. SWAT/Police train for all circumstances, and shooting a 7yo ought to be treated as murder. (unless she is carrying a quantum physics book Will)

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;701467]I saw that in a tweet, and thought of this thread as well. Without hearing the whole story, there simply is no excuse for the murder of a 7 yo girl in a raid. SWAT/Police train for all circumstances, and shooting a 7yo ought to be treated as murder. (unless she is carrying a quantum physics book Will)[/quote]

from everything i have read/seen it looks like the went in the wrong side of a duplex. and allegedly there were people outside that told the oficers there were kids in the house, allegedly. but she was shot in the face i don't understand how that can happen these cops just sound trigger happy. i know it's a tough job but it's their job. they signed up for it