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This stinks to high heaven. Has Rahm written all over it if you ask me:

[url=http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/05/joe-sestak-karl-rove-chris-dodd-george-w-bush.html]Karl Rove: Joe Sestak's lying or he's protecting a felon in Barack Obama's White House | Top of the Ticket | Los Angeles Times[/url]

[url=http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/100067-issa-sestak-scandal-could-be-obamas-watergate]Issa: Sestak scandal could be Obama's 'Watergate' - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room[/url]

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Summary (this is local news for me...been hearing about it since March):

Joe Sestak is the Democrat who just defeated Arlen Spector in the Senate primary in PA.

Sestak, without being asked, made the statement that the White House made an offer to him, that if he drops out of the race and lets Arlen Spector become the nominee and only contender in primary, he can have a job as Secretary of the Navy in exchange for dropping out.

The White House has never denied this, only said "they've looked into it and do not believe they did anything wrong", which is a joke.

Federal Code Section 18 USC 211 says you cannot accept anything of value in return for hiring somebody.

Federal code Section 18 USC 600 says that a federal official cannot promise employment, a job in the federal government, in return for a political act.


[B]Also, The Constitution in Article II, Section 4:[/B]

[B]The President[/B], Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, [B]shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for[/B], and Conviction of, Treason, [B]Bribery[/B], or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."



But wait, it is coming to light that the President also tried to "clear the field" in Colorado too last year with the same illegal tactic.
[QUOTE]
[URL="http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_13429758"]D.C. job alleged as attempt to deter Romanoff - The Denver Post[/URL]

WASHINGTON — Not long after news leaked last month that Andrew Romanoff was determined to make a Democratic primary run against Sen. Michael Bennet, Romanoff received an unexpected communication from one of the most powerful men in Washington.

Jim Messina, President Barack Obama's deputy chief of staff and a storied fixer in the White House political shop, suggested a place for Romanoff might be found in the administration and offered specific suggestions, according to several sources who described the communication to The Denver Post.

Romanoff turned down the overture, which included mention of a job at USAID, the foreign aid agency, sources said.

Then, the day after Romanoff formally announced his Senate bid, Obama endorsed Bennet.

It is the kind of hardball tactics that have come to mark the White House's willingness to shape key races across the country, in this case trying to remove a threat to a vulnerable senator by presenting his opponent a choice of silver or lead. [/QUOTE]This is common in Chicago politics, but won't be tolerated from the White House. I could see Rahm Emmanuel taking the axe for this, but it does have the potential to be very bad for President Obama who could lose his job and also Sestak, who faces the possibility of a $2,000 fine which is small...but up to a year in Federal prison.

I'm not at all shocked that this Administration would go against the Constitution, I'm a bit surprised it is being covered Nationally by the media who usually covers things up to protect him though.

Pat Toomey now has the momentum to defeat Sestak, who was leading by only 4 points in polls prior to this.

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What did Sestak do wrong?

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Karl Rove? The guy that fired the US District Attorneys for political reasons is talking about felonies in the White House?

While we're at [URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/sestak_couldnt_have_been_nomin.html"]linking[/URL], perhaps a look at timelines would be helpful:

[QUOTE]On March 27, 2009, the administration nominated Ray Mabus as secretary of the Navy. It wasn't until April 28 that Specter became a Democrat, and by Sestak's own recollection, he was literally being courted to run the day that news broke. On May 18, the Senate confirmed Mabus. And on May 29, Sestak entered the Senate race.[/QUOTE]


BTW, it is not illegal to offer someone a job in exchange for dropping out. This is done bazillions of times in politics. You're free to say no and I am free to offer you a jobs. I tell you....you guys are really grasping for straws.

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[quote=saden1;703589]BTW, it is not illegal to offer someone a job in exchange for dropping out. This is done bazillions of times in politics. You're free to say no and I am free to offer you a jobs. I tell you....you guys are really grasping for straws.[/quote]

Well now that that is cleared up by our resident federal law expert.

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is it a felony to knowingly lie the country into war?

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[quote=saden1;703589]Karl Rove? The guy that fired the US District Attorneys for political reasons is talking about felonies in the White House?

While we're at [URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/sestak_couldnt_have_been_nomin.html"]linking[/URL], perhaps a look at timelines would be helpful:




BTW, it is not illegal to offer someone a job in exchange for dropping out. This is done bazillions of times in politics. You're free to say no and I am free to offer you a jobs. [B]I tell you....you guys are really grasping for straws[/B].[/quote]

Not really. Everything I've read points to this having legs. But I don't expect any concessions from someone who defends this administration tooth and nail at every turn.

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[quote=Rainy Parade;703597]is it a felony to knowingly lie the country into war?[/quote]

Enough with the Bush crap. Pointing fingers at him at this point is such a used up, tired thing to do. He's been out of office for a year and a half now. Move on.

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[quote=saden1;703589]Karl Rove? The guy that fired the US District Attorneys for political reasons is talking about felonies in the White House?

While we're at [URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/sestak_couldnt_have_been_nomin.html"]linking[/URL], perhaps a look at timelines would be helpful:




BTW, it is not illegal to offer someone a job in exchange for dropping out. This is done bazillions of times in politics. You're free to say no and I am free to offer you a jobs. I tell you....you guys are really grasping for straws.[/quote]

Hey genius, I just cited the specific locations of exactly that in the Federal Code...and Constitution.

About the firing of the DAs, it happens with EVERY Administration. Every President replaces people with those they prefer. President Clinton cleared out over 80 of them on a single day and never took flack for it...President Bush canned 4 or 5 and it was the apocalypse.

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[quote=FRPLG;703593]Well now that that is cleared up by our resident federal law expert.[/quote]


I'm no expert, but what are you going to get me on? Offering someone a job? Telling someone not to run? Bribery? I happened to look up [URL="http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/11"]federal bribery laws[/URL] when the Blagojevich scandal broke out. Try looking things up sometimes, it's empowering.

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[quote=saden1;703603]I'm no expert, but what are you going to get me on? Offering someone a job? Telling someone not to run? Bribery? I happened to look up [URL="http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/11"]federal bribery laws[/URL] when the Blagojevich scandal broke out.[SIZE=7] Try looking things up sometimes,[/SIZE] it's empowering.[/quote]


:lol: :Flush:

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[quote=Rainy Parade;703597]is it a felony to knowingly lie the country into war?[/quote]

Its a felony that the other party voted for the same war. Oh, they got tricked. Maybe if they actually did something other then sit on their fat ass and bitch they may have come up with why we should not go to war. Instead they vote for the war then when it becomes unpopular to be for the war they tuck their little whinning asses around and act like they never voted for the war.

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[quote=saden1;703603]I'm no expert, but what are you going to get me on? Offering someone a job? Telling someone not to run? Bribery? I happened to look up [URL="http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/11"]federal bribery laws[/URL] when the Blagojevich scandal broke out. Try looking things up sometimes, it's empowering.[/quote]

I don't see what's so hard to understand about this as it relates to Sestak:

[I]Federal code Section 18 USC 600 says that a federal official cannot promise employment, a job in the federal government, in return for a political act.[/I]

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[quote=GMScud;703599]Enough with the Bush crap. Pointing fingers at him at this point is such a used up, tired thing to do. He's been out of office for a year and a half now. Move on.[/quote]


well doing it when he was in office was met with "you're unamerican! you support the terrorists! shut the fuck up and love your country and support the president or you can LEAVE!"

so perhaps i should just tell you all to do the same?

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[quote=Rainy Parade;703612]well doing it when he was in office was met with "you're unamerican! you support the terrorists! shut the fuck up and love your country and support the president or you can LEAVE!"

so perhaps i should just tell you all to do the same?[/quote]

Sure, if you can find an instance of GM saying that to someone here.

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[quote=Buster;703602]Hey genius, I just cited the specific locations of exactly that in the Federal Code...and Constitution.

About the firing of the DAs, it happens with EVERY Administration. Every President replaces people with those they prefer. President Clinton cleared out over 80 of them on a single day and never took flack for it...President Bush canned 4 or 5 and it was the apocalypse.[/quote]


Is the president obtaining anything of value? Asking someone not to run is of value? I don't think so.

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[quote=firstdown;703606]Its a felony that the other party voted for the same war. Oh, they got tricked. Maybe if they actually did something other then sit on their fat ass and bitch they may have come up with why we should not go to war. Instead they vote for the war then when it becomes unpopular to be for the war they tuck their little whinning asses around and act like they never voted for the war.[/quote]


well, yes, they were lied to, but i generally agree that they all went right along with it. of course at the time it was political sucide not to. and they didn't have the balls to try to stop the war cuz that would have been "cutting off funds needed by Our Troops."

Dennis Kucinich was the only one who had the balls to vote against the Patriot Act and (i think) the war. of course he gets painted as a whackjob kook. go figure.

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Political suicide: the most accepted reason to toss your morals and campaign platform aside to ensure that the future will have as many lucerative political opportunities as the present.

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[quote=saden1;703616]Is the president obtaining anything of value? Asking someone not to run is of value? I don't think so.[/quote]

Asking someone not to run is fine but offering them a job not to run is not legal. Its nice how the Obama office is with holding the names when he ran on having an open whitehouse. I guess thats just another promise that he has broken.

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[quote=saden1;703616]Is the president obtaining anything of value? Asking someone not to run is of value? I don't think so.[/quote]

A hand-picked Senator who will vote for his agenda is of HUGE value in an upcoming election that doesn't look like it will bode well for his plans/party.

Just take a look at the facts instead of blindly defending your President and being naive.

I don't agree with everything that the politicians I vote for 100% of the time and I do oppose them when I disagree. It's not a BAD thing, it's being honest and having a brain of your own.

I understand you're in one of the most liberal cities in the nation and it may be uncommon and frowned upon to criticize your "messiah", but you'll be a better person for it.

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[quote=GMScud;703609]I don't see what's so hard to understand about this as it relates to Sestak:

[I]Federal code Section 18 USC 600 says that a federal official cannot promise employment, a job in the federal government, in return for a political act.[/I][/quote]


You're talking to someone who ignored a LOT to put this man into office...I don't think you'll get through now. Besides, he recommends we should "try looking things up sometimes"...he has to know what he's talking about. Facts just get in his way because he KNOWS he is right. His mother told him so.

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Is it too early to bring up Watergate?

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[quote=GMScud;703609]I don't see what's so hard to understand about this as it relates to Sestak:

[I]Federal code Section 18 USC 600 says that a federal official cannot promise employment, a job in the federal government, in return for a political act.[/I][/quote]

I stand corrected, it is a federal offense...now the question is how do you get a conviction under this law?

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[quote=firstdown;703621]Asking someone not to run is fine but offering them a job not to run is not legal. Its nice how the Obama office is with holding the names when he ran on having an open whitehouse. I guess thats just another promise that he has broken.[/quote]

You don't say "Hay firstdown, don't run, I'll give you a job." You say "Hay firstdown, you know Specter is running...are you planning on running? I have a job that's a better fit for you if you're interested."

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[quote=saden1;703630]You don't say "Hay firstdown, don't run, I'll give you a job." You say "Hay firstdown, you know Specter is running...are you planning on running? I have a job that's a better fit for you if you're interested."[/quote]

You have been watching the news because they gave the same type of example. By the way what's up and do you have any plans for the weekend?

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Sestak the new Sammy the Bull.

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[quote=Rainy Parade;703617]well, yes, they were lied to, but i generally agree that they all went right along with it. of course at the time it was political sucide not to. and they didn't have the balls to try to stop the war cuz that would have been "cutting off funds needed by Our Troops."

Dennis Kucinich was the only one who had the balls to vote against the Patriot Act and (i think) the war. of course he gets painted as a whackjob kook. go figure.[/quote]

He is a kook. That mofo is crazy, I wouldn't be surprised if he a Bristol Palin blow up doll tied up and chained upside down in a fetal position.

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[quote=Buster;703626]Is it too early to bring up Watergate?[/quote]

I don't think Obama is that careless, but again I could be wrong. If he has messed up might as well bend BP over backwards for kicks, and let all the Mexicans run free. Just saying.

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Funny thing is Spector switched parties and now he gets defeated by a dem. The Dems really wanted Spector to win so he could be their little trophy switching Rep.

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[quote=firstdown;703632]You have been watching the news because they gave the same type of example. By the way what's up and do you have any plans for the weekend?[/quote]

There is no way in hell you can get a conviction if the coversation was similar to what I said. No way!

I'm doing great....I have no plans for the weekened except not work and play video games. I speent all las week on vacation so I'm all done with doing stuff for this weekend. You? Is it fishing season yet?

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[quote=Rainy Parade;703597]is it a felony to knowingly lie the country into war?[/quote]Who did that?

Colin Powell: In 2004 and 2005 Colin Powell acknowledged that much of his 2003 UN presentation was inaccurate: "I looked at the four [sources] that [the CIA] gave me for [the mobile bio-labs], and they stood behind them, ... Now it appears not to be the case that it was that solid. At the time I was preparing the presentation, it was presented to me as being solid.[URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/#cite_note-ABC-10"][COLOR=#0645ad][11][/COLOR][/URL] April 3, 2004
I feel terrible ... [giving the speech] ... It's a blot. I'm the one who presented it on behalf of the United States to the world, and [it] will always be a part of my record. It was painful. It's painful now.[URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/#cite_note-FamousPictures-11"][COLOR=#0645ad][12][/COLOR][/URL] 2005"
“I looked at the four [sources] that [the CIA] gave me for [the mobile bio-labs], and they stood behind them, ... Now it appears not to be the case that it was that solid. At the time I was preparing the presentation, it was presented to me as being solid.[URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/#cite_note-ABC-10"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0645ad][11][/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL] April 3, 2004 I feel terrible ... [giving the speech] ... It's a blot. I'm the one who presented it on behalf of the United States to the world, and [it] will always be a part of my record. It was painful. It's painful now.[URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/#cite_note-FamousPictures-11"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0645ad][12][/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL] 2005


Hillary Clinton: "Obviously, I've thought about that a lot in the months since," she said. "No, I don't regret giving the president authority because at the time it was in the context of weapons of mass destruction, grave threats to the United States, and clearly, Saddam Hussein had been a real problem for the international community for more than a decade."

John Kerry: Sept. 2004: “We should not have gone to war knowing the information that we know today," Kerry said Wednesday on ABC’s “Good Morning America.” "Knowing there was no imminent threat to America, knowing there were no weapons of mass destruction, knowing there was no connection of Saddam Hussein to al Qaeda, I would not have gone to war. That's plain and simple."

But on Aug. 9, 2004, when asked if he would still have gone to war knowing Saddam Hussein did not possess weapons of mass destruction, Kerry said: “Yes, I would have voted for the authority. I believe it was the right authority for a president to have.” Speaking to reporters at the edge of the Grand Canyon, he added: “[Although] I would have done this very differently from the way President Bush has."

In May 2003, at the first Democratic primary debate, John Kerry said his vote authorizing the president to use force was the “right decision” though he would have “preferred if we had given diplomacy a greater opportunity.”

Jay Rockefeller (Chair of Senate Intel Committee): On October 10, 2002, he said, "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/wiki/Nuclear_weapon"][COLOR=#0645ad]nuclear weapons[/COLOR][/URL] and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years... The global community – in the form of the [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/wiki/United_Nations"][COLOR=#0645ad]United Nations[/COLOR][/URL] – has declared repeatedly, through multiple resolutions, that the frightening prospect of a nuclear-armed Saddam cannot come to pass. But the U.N. has been unable to enforce those resolutions. We must eliminate that threat now, before it is too late... Saddam Hussein represents a grave threat to the United States, and I have concluded we must use force to deal with him if all other means fail."[URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/#cite_note-autogenerated1-4"][COLOR=#0645ad][5][/COLOR][/URL]

Head of CIA at the time of Iraq War Resolution: George Tenent, a Clinton hold-over.

This is about the Obama Admin. not something that happened 7-8 years ago. What's the name of the that left wacko group we always used to hear about, oh yeah....moveon.org

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;703672]Who did that?

Colin Powell: In 2004 and 2005 Colin Powell acknowledged that much of his 2003 UN presentation was inaccurate: "I looked at the four [sources] that [the CIA] gave me for [the mobile bio-labs], and they stood behind them, ... Now it appears not to be the case that it was that solid. At the time I was preparing the presentation, it was presented to me as being solid.[URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/#cite_note-ABC-10"][COLOR=#0645ad][11][/COLOR][/URL] April 3, 2004
I feel terrible ... [giving the speech] ... It's a blot. I'm the one who presented it on behalf of the United States to the world, and [it] will always be a part of my record. It was painful. It's painful now.[URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/#cite_note-FamousPictures-11"][COLOR=#0645ad][12][/COLOR][/URL] 2005"
“I looked at the four [sources] that [the CIA] gave me for [the mobile bio-labs], and they stood behind them, ... Now it appears not to be the case that it was that solid. At the time I was preparing the presentation, it was presented to me as being solid.[URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/#cite_note-ABC-10"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0645ad][11][/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL] April 3, 2004 I feel terrible ... [giving the speech] ... It's a blot. I'm the one who presented it on behalf of the United States to the world, and [it] will always be a part of my record. It was painful. It's painful now.[URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/#cite_note-FamousPictures-11"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#0645ad][12][/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL] 2005


Hillary Clinton: "Obviously, I've thought about that a lot in the months since," she said. "No, I don't regret giving the president authority because at the time it was in the context of weapons of mass destruction, grave threats to the United States, and clearly, Saddam Hussein had been a real problem for the international community for more than a decade."

John Kerry: Sept. 2004: “We should not have gone to war knowing the information that we know today," Kerry said Wednesday on ABC’s “Good Morning America.” "Knowing there was no imminent threat to America, knowing there were no weapons of mass destruction, knowing there was no connection of Saddam Hussein to al Qaeda, I would not have gone to war. That's plain and simple."

But on Aug. 9, 2004, when asked if he would still have gone to war knowing Saddam Hussein did not possess weapons of mass destruction, Kerry said: “Yes, I would have voted for the authority. I believe it was the right authority for a president to have.” Speaking to reporters at the edge of the Grand Canyon, he added: “[Although] I would have done this very differently from the way President Bush has."

In May 2003, at the first Democratic primary debate, John Kerry said his vote authorizing the president to use force was the “right decision” though he would have “preferred if we had given diplomacy a greater opportunity.”

Jay Rockefeller (Chair of Senate Intel Committee): On October 10, 2002, he said, "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/wiki/Nuclear_weapon"][COLOR=#0645ad]nuclear weapons[/COLOR][/URL] and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years... The global community – in the form of the [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/wiki/United_Nations"][COLOR=#0645ad]United Nations[/COLOR][/URL] – has declared repeatedly, through multiple resolutions, that the frightening prospect of a nuclear-armed Saddam cannot come to pass. But the U.N. has been unable to enforce those resolutions. We must eliminate that threat now, before it is too late... Saddam Hussein represents a grave threat to the United States, and I have concluded we must use force to deal with him if all other means fail."[URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/#cite_note-autogenerated1-4"][COLOR=#0645ad][5][/COLOR][/URL]

Head of CIA at the time of Iraq War Resolution: George Tenent, a Clinton hold-over.

This is about the Obama Admin. not something that happened 7-8 years ago. What's the name of the that left wacko group we always used to hear about, oh yeah....moveon.org[/quote]



why do you hate America?

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[quote=Rainy Parade;703673]why do you hate America?[/quote]
+1 credibility point for you.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;703676]+1 credibility point for you.[/quote]


thanks!

but seriously, you're reply was well researched and i realize that all of the ills of govt are the fault of both parties. do i prefer Obama's approach/philosophy, etc over Bush? sure. but no sense in arguing back in forth on a message board. we're not gonna change each other's mind.

so my "lie into war" was perhaps off topic or flippant.... but really. "everybody does it" and "technically this wasn't illegal or provable as such" is the defense for all this crap on both sides.

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[quote=Rainy Parade;703677]thanks!

but seriously, you're reply was well researched and i realize that all of the ills of govt are the fault of both parties. do i prefer Obama's approach/philosophy, etc over Bush? sure. but no sense in arguing back in forth on a message board. we're not gonna change each other's mind.

so my "lie into war" was perhaps off topic or flippant.... but really. "everybody does it" and "technically this wasn't illegal or provable as such" is the defense for all this crap on both sides.[/quote]

I hope the tea party wins and cut taxes some more.

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[quote=Rainy Parade;703677]thanks!

but seriously, you're reply was well researched and i realize that all of the ills of govt are the fault of both parties. do i prefer Obama's approach/philosophy, etc over Bush? sure. but [B]no sense in arguing back in forth on a message board. we're not gonna change each other's mind.[/B] [/quote]But it beats talking about who AH is making babies with :)

[quote]so my "lie into war" was perhaps off topic or flippant.... but really. "everybody does it" and "technically this wasn't illegal or provable as such" is the defense for all this crap on both sides.[/quote]These accusations against Obama are going nowhere anyway. As you mentioned, there isn't going to be enough evidence, the Justice Dept. isn't going forward with it, and even if they did there's no way Obama gets prosecuted or impeached over it.

The Rs are just doing their job positioning for Nov. 2010. The Ds will argue back and the fun continues......meanwhile the debt clock keeps spinning, our kids/family members/friends are still sitting targets in Iraq/Afghanistan, and oil keeps floating around the Gulf destroying livelihoods and the ecosystem.

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[quote=Buster;703625]You're talking to someone who ignored a LOT to put this man into office...I don't think you'll get through now. Besides, he recommends we should "try looking things up sometimes"...he has to know what he's talking about. [B] Facts just get in his way because he KNOWS he is right. His mother told him so[/B].[/quote]

now that is funny

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;703682]But it beats talking about who AH is making babies with :)

These accusations against Obama are going nowhere anyway. As you mentioned, there isn't going to be enough evidence, the Justice Dept. isn't going forward with it, and even if they did there's no way Obama gets prosecuted or impeached over it.

The Rs are just doing their job positioning for Nov. 2010. The Ds will argue back and the fun continues......meanwhile the debt clock keeps spinning, our kids/family members/friends are still sitting targets in Iraq/Afghanistan, and oil keeps floating around the Gulf destroying livelihoods and the ecosystem.[/quote]

Well seeing as the TEA party is gonna win and sweep everything in November, they are gonna use that supeana power, best believe.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;703682]But it beats talking about who AH is making babies with :)

These accusations against Obama are going nowhere anyway. As you mentioned, there isn't going to be enough evidence, the Justice Dept. isn't going forward with it, and even if they did there's no way Obama gets prosecuted or impeached over it.

The Rs are just doing their job positioning for Nov. 2010. The Ds will argue back and the fun continues......meanwhile the debt clock keeps spinning, our kids/family members/friends are still sitting targets in Iraq/Afghanistan, and oil keeps floating around the Gulf destroying livelihoods and the ecosystem.[/quote]



concur on both counts. just a game. i spent 8 years complaining about Bush and the responses were some form of "STFU and love your country" and/or "nothing to see here, move right along." of course, on Jan 20, 2009, we just had to move on and never look back (a sentiment shared by the current President as well). the funny thing is that, if the govt elites are NEVER held responsible for lawbreaking (torture, illegal spying, etc) well then this notion "let's just make sure it will never happen again" is foolish. it WILL happen again. and all future administrations will engage in bribery and secrecy or whatever the next scandal of the day is... because they know they are above the law and will never be held accountable.

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[quote=Rainy Parade;703686]concur on both counts. just a game. i spent 8 years complaining about Bush and the responses were some form of "STFU and love your country" and/or "nothing to see here, move right along." [/quote]I don't go on other message boards, but from what I've heard they can get pretty bad. Fortunately here, while there are a few who may have responded that way, they are in the minority. Even with the political stuff, as I'm sure you've seen so far, folks here may swipe at each other but everything stays civil and at the end of the day we're all Skins fans.

[quote]all future administrations will engage in bribery and secrecy or whatever the next scandal of the day is... because they know they are above the law and will never be held accountable.[/quote]100% agree, until more regular folks like us wake up in large numbers the status quo won't change.