2010 Minicamp (non Haynesworth edition)
 

Sounds like a lot of good stuff happening for the "other" 70+ guys. I don't have any inside info, but I am hoping others on here might. I am just gonna link to this excellent DC Sports Bog article (positive and everything woohoo)

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/06/george_starke_on_bruce_allen_a.html]D.C. Sports Bog - George Starke on Bruce Allen and Vinny Cerrato[/url]

and say Things are looking better!

Please leave AH venting in the other thread! Thanks

Re: 2010 Minicamp (non Haynesworth edition)
 

very interesting comments by starke. vinny simply never understood the history of the this organization. gotta give snyder credit for bringing in allen. he gets it.

Re: 2010 Minicamp (non Haynesworth edition)
 

the twitter beat on the mini camp:
# RedskinsDotCom

Kicker Graham Gano was 1-of-2 on a pair of 52-yard FG attempts. He missed both 62-yard attempts, although second attempt his the crossbar. about 1 hour ago via web

* Reply
* Retweet

# Redskins.com RedskinsDotCom

Defense ahead of offense? Justin Tryon broke up a sideline pass to Devin Thomas. Chris Horton broke up a sideline pass to Anthony Armstrong. about 1 hour ago via web

* Reply
* Retweet

# Redskins.com RedskinsDotCom

Best play from mini-camp practice: Donovan McNabb throws deep pass to Fred Davis for TD. Davis beat coverage by Chris Horton, Perry Riley. about 1 hour ago via web

* Reply
* Retweet

# Redskins.com RedskinsDotCom

Practice ended at 12:30...It's the last #Redskins practice until July 29 when team reconvenes for training camp. about 1 hour ago via web

Re: 2010 Minicamp (non Haynesworth edition)
 

and another DC Sports Bog, about (hopefully) the real NT of the Skins!

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/06/maake_kemoeatu_wants_to_play_n.html]D.C. Sports Bog - Ma'ake Kemoeatu wants to play nose tackle[/url]
[QUOTE]So it turns out that not everyone in the world considers playing nose tackle in the 3-4 a fate worse than death-by-vuvuzela. Ma'ake Kemoeatu, the offseason acquisition who's been rehabbing an Achilles' injury, actually wants to be a space-filling behemoth, allowing linebackers behind him to make plays. Go figure.

Kemoeatu talked about his grandest football ambitions to Chad Dukes on 106.7 The Fan Wednesday afternoon, and he managed to do so without voicing a single complaint.

"My main job is just to make sure the linebackers can flow to the ball," he said. "If I can keep the offensive line off of 'Rak and Fletch, to let them run around and sack the quarterback and make all the tackles, man, that's what I want to do. That's what they brought me here for, and that's what I do for a defense. It'll be a lot of fun."

Huh? Fun? Without the glory? What the heck planet did this guy arrive from?

"If I was getting paid that much money, I'd play any position, put me wherever you want to put me," he said. "We were just talking about that in the locker room. I was like, 'If I were to win the lottery today and I get $100 million now, I would still be playing football.' I love the game. I grew up playing around it. And a lot of people was like, 'We're not doing it for the money, we're doing it for the love of the game.' "

Huh? Love?

"At the same time, we've got bills to take care of," Kemoeatu said. "But $100 million takes care of a lot of bills, you know? That's a lot of bills. I don't know how much bills you've got. [B]I know some fireworks went down today at the facility with Haynes not showing up[/B], I just hope that they get something worked out. If Haynesworth is with us this season, we'll be a great defense. I was looking forward to working with him. And if Haynesworth is not with us this season, we'll still be a great defense. You know, with or without Haynesworth, we're still rolling the ball and we're still gonna bang heads."

Someone needs a serious attitude adjustment. Dukes at one point asked Kemoeatu whether anyone in the locker room was lining up on Haynesworth's side vs. the front office.

"Um, no," the newcomer said. "I think the feeling I get out of everyone on the team is everyone's been sympathetic from last season all the way 'til now. I think if Haynes would have shown up [Wednesday], they would have forgive and forget. But I think when he didn't show up, it kind of pushed everybody over the edge to go in the direction that they're going right now."

In any case, Kemoeatu said he wants to get to around 345 or 350 pounds by the time the season starts, and he expects to be the starting nose tackle the way things are shaping up in this post-Haynesworth world.

"That's what it's looking like right now," he said. "Right now I'm training to get back in shape so when I check in training camp July 29, I'll be the starting nose tackle. That's what it's looking like right now."

By Dan Steinberg | June 17, 2010; 8:41 AM ET[/QUOTE]

Re: 2010 Minicamp (non Haynesworth edition)
 

I love to hear that. Sometimes to be a winner, you just need to be around other winners. They change your attitude and your outlook. Love it.

Plus, it makes me feel like I'm not just rooting for a uniform, this team actually has its own identity, celebrates its past, and works together to move forward.

Re: 2010 Minicamp (non Haynesworth edition)
 

Great comments from Starke. I know I've brought it up before, but it always amazed me how many people in front office (even some coaching) positions around the NFL with ties to the Redskins aren't with the Redskins nor were ever really considered to be with the Redskins. I think that's also why some former players in the media tend to blast the Redskins. Not just that they take issue with what's going on, but that they had been shut out from even offering help. But that was all due to Vinny's controlling, jealous tendencies and that's in the past. It's a new day now

As for what's going on at minicamp. Haven't heard much, but here are a couple of things:

-Fred Davis and Lorenzo Alexander probably the two stars of minicamp so far
-Kevin Barnes struggling big time

Re: 2010 Minicamp (non Haynesworth edition)
 

Not pleased to hear that about Barnes. Was really pulling for him to step up. When he was picked in the 3rd round, there was talk of us getting a bargain b/c of his past injury. Since then, I can't remember when I have heard or seen anything about him to indicate he was living up to that potential.

Re: 2010 Minicamp (non Haynesworth edition)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;707126]Great comments from Starke. I know I've brought it up before, but it always amazed me how many people in front office (even some coaching) positions around the NFL with ties to the Redskins aren't with the Redskins nor were ever really considered to be with the Redskins. I think that's also why some former players in the media tend to blast the Redskins. Not just that they take issue with what's going on, but that they had been shut out from even offering help. [B]But that was all due to Vinny's controlling, jealous tendencies and that's in the past.[/B] It's a new day now[/quote]

Vinny was the definitional douche. Watching him talk made me wonder how anyone would trust him about anything. I still don't understand Snyder's loyalty to the guy. Soooooo glad he is gone.

Sorry for the mini thread jack - back to minicamp.

Re: 2010 Minicamp (non Haynesworth edition)
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;707132]Not pleased to hear that about Barnes. Was really pulling for him to step up. When he was picked in the 3rd round, there was talk of us getting a bargain b/c of his past injury. Since then, I can't remember when I have heard or seen anything about him to indicate he was living up to that potential.[/quote]

Yeah, all I keep hearing is "Thomas just torched Barnes on a deep route" "Moss just put a sick move on Barnes" "Kelly burned Barnes over the middle" and so on

Frustrating for sure. Hearing some positive things about Tryon so that's good

Re: 2010 Minicamp (non Haynesworth edition)
 

Nice read ... now if Allen can sign D. Green , A. Monk and a few of the hogs once again ....... :)

Re: 2010 Minicamp (non Haynesworth edition)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;707126]As for what's going on at minicamp. Haven't heard much, but here are a couple of things:

-Fred Davis and Lorenzo Alexander probably the two stars of minicamp so far
-Kevin Barnes struggling big time[/quote]

I'm kinda surprised to see that Alexander is playing well.. I guess he has some speed that we haven't seen yet.. If he success and becomes a great player - he definitely will be one of good Redskins stories..

I'm disappointed about Barnes, I had some hopes for him.. Hope he will grows later through out the season, though..

Re: 2010 Minicamp (non Haynesworth edition)
 

It can't be that the receivers are just good? :) Barnes has to be terrible.

Re: 2010 Minicamp (non Haynesworth edition)
 

[quote]Defense ahead of offense? Justin Tryon broke up a sideline pass to Devin Thomas. Chris Horton broke up a sideline pass to Anthony [B]Armstrong[/B]. about 1 hour ago via web[/quote]

This has to be a lie. No one breaks up a pass from Armstrong. I remember when he played line how he would bat loose balls 50 yards down field with his pinky.

Re: 2010 Minicamp (non Haynesworth edition)
 

Reading those comments from Starke really warmed my heart. The thing I love most about the Redskins is the rich tradition. I'm so glad Bruce Allen is embracing that. We'll be a better team and better organization because of it. What a shithead Vinny was.

Hail to the Redskins. Man I can't wait for this season.

Re: 2010 Minicamp (non Haynesworth edition)
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;707132]Not pleased to hear that about Barnes. Was really pulling for him to step up. [B]When he was picked in the 3rd round, there was talk of us getting a bargain [/B]b/c of his past injury. Since then, I can't remember when I have heard or seen anything about him to indicate he was living up to that potential.[/quote]

Isn't that true of every Vinny pick that has not panned out?

Re: 2010 Minicamp (non Haynesworth edition)
 

That's great- Chad Dukes asks Kemoatu if anyone in the locker room is on Haynesworth's side. His response: Ummm, no.

LOL!

Re: 2010 Minicamp (non Haynesworth edition)
 

Also great to hear Horton is playing (even if he did get beat by Davis for TD). RI had a piece about him a little while back about his toe still being pretty painfull.

Re: 2010 Minicamp (non Haynesworth edition)
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;707170]This has to be a lie. No one breaks up a pass from Armstrong. I remember when he played line how he would bat loose balls 50 yards down field with his pinky.[/quote]

Yeah, it is kind of weird talking about a REAL Armstrong. :)

Re: 2010 Minicamp (non Haynesworth edition)
 

[quote=GMScud;707176]That's great- Chad Dukes asks Kemoatu if anyone in the locker room is on Haynesworth's side. His response: Ummm, no.

LOL![/quote]

Dude, I'm sick of hearing about this guy, can we please leave him out of this thread at least? I actually like to hear and talk about the team that's there.

Re: 2010 Minicamp (non Haynesworth edition)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;707139]Yeah, all I keep hearing is "Thomas just torched Barnes on a deep route" "Moss just put a sick move on Barnes" "Kelly burned Barnes over the middle" and so on

Frustrating for sure. Hearing some positive things about Tryon so that's good[/quote]

Or maybe we have the best 3 WRs in football this year :)

Re: 2010 Minicamp (non Haynesworth edition)
 

[quote=Ruhskins;707185]Dude, I'm sick of hearing about this guy, can we please leave him out of this thread at least? I actually like to hear and talk about the team that's there.[/quote]

Dude, it was funny so I mentioned it, referencing an earlier post in this very thread. I don't see a "moderator" logo under your user name.

Re: 2010 Minicamp (non Haynesworth edition)
 

[quote=GMScud;707188]Dude, it was funny so I mentioned it, referencing an earlier post in this very thread. I don't see a "moderator" logo under your user name.[/quote]

No I'm not, I just would like to hear and discuss Redskins news that is not about this guy period. Is that too much to ask?

Re: 2010 Minicamp (non Haynesworth edition)
 

As a younger fan who never really connected with the older generation of Redskins due to the disconnect in previous years, it really makes me happy to hear that Bruce Allen is reaching out to the past and reconnecting with all these Redskins. Because when I read these stories about Pat Fischer and other guys knowing once they were on the field those other guys had their backs no matter what, it really makes me think about how much that will help the current players. I would absolutely love it if the past and present players really bonded and the players of our past were really able to impart wisdom on the current players.

And I just want to say how refreshing it is to see this team mentality being built up, through Shanny and BA, to reconnecting with the great players of long gone years, through pretty much the entire team buying into Shanny's approach, even through how I feel this team has come together because of Big Al's selfishness. It has been long overdue and it's safe to say even when we had Gibbs back, in previous seasons the "team" mentality has never been as strong as it feels right now.

Re: 2010 Minicamp (non Haynesworth edition)
 

[quote=Ruhskins;707189]No I'm not, I just would like to hear and discuss Redskins news that is not about this guy period. Is that too much to ask?[/quote]

Really? Then why did you just post in the Haynesworth thread. Just saying...

Re: 2010 Minicamp (non Haynesworth edition)
 

To be fair the request to leave ** out of this thread originates from the 1st post. Personally I'm sick of talking about ** too and wish the FO would find a way to expedite handling of the sitz.

...tangentially, anybody have a guess which NTs could be available before the roster is set?

Re: 2010 Minicamp (non Haynesworth edition)
 

[quote=GMScud;707192]Really? Then why did you just post in the Haynesworth thread. Just saying...[/quote]

I think you just answered your own question.

Re: 2010 Minicamp (non Haynesworth edition)
 

Looks like Perry Riley will be signing any moment now. Silverback on the other hand just fired his agent.

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/trent-williams/trent-williams-fires-his-agent.html#more]Redskins Insider - Trent Williams fires his agent[/url]

Re: 2010 Minicamp (non Haynesworth edition)
 

[quote=The Goat;707193]To be fair the request to leave ** out of this thread originates from the 1st post. Personally I'm sick of talking about ** too and wish the FO would find a way to expedite handling of the sitz.

...tangentially, anybody have a guess which NTs could be available before the roster is set?[/quote]

Starting caliber NTs are not readily available I would say. Most teams locked up the ones that were going to be free agents (49ers, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, and NE). I was hoping that the team would draft a prospect NT.

Re: 2010 Minicamp (non Haynesworth edition)
 

[quote=Ruhskins;707194]I think you just answered your own question.[/quote]

Well, if you didn't want to discuss the umentionable aforementioned player, it doesn't really follow that you're talking about him in another thread. Anyway, moving forward...

Re: 2010 Minicamp (non Haynesworth edition)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;707139]Yeah, all I keep hearing is "Thomas just torched Barnes on a deep route" "Moss just put a sick move on Barnes" "Kelly burned Barnes over the middle" and so on

Frustrating for sure. Hearing some positive things about Tryon so that's good[/quote]

This is interesting. I didn't realize Barnes was having trouble. Hopefully it was just a bad day cause I've heard nothing but awesome things about Barnes playing.
[url=http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Redskins_Wrap_Up_Mini_Camp_With_Spirited_Practice_125675.jsp]Redskins Wrap Up Mini-Camp With a Spirited Practice[/url]

[quote]Second-year cornerback Kevin Barnes turned in a nice play, coming in from behind wide receiver Mike Furrey to break up a pass.[/quote]


However Horton and Riley got torched today by Davis.

Re: 2010 Minicamp (non Haynesworth edition)
 

[quote=GMScud;707195]Looks like Perry Riley will be signing any moment now. Silverback on the other hand just fired his agent.

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/trent-williams/trent-williams-fires-his-agent.html#more]Redskins Insider - Trent Williams fires his agent[/url][/quote]

Carnack says: Rosenhaus(sp). Unfortunately T.O. is a package deal. lol.

Re: 2010 Minicamp (non Haynesworth edition)
 

[QUOTE=SBXVII;707200]........However Horton and Riley got torched today by Davis.[/QUOTE]

Davis seems to be torching several DB's. Hmmmm? Will Davis earn a staring spot over Cooley? Or is Cooley given the starting position regardless of play on the practice field? Should be interesting to watch.

Re: 2010 Minicamp (non Haynesworth edition)
 

[quote=Defensewins;707202]Davis seems to be torching several DB's. Hmmmm? Will Davis earn a staring spot over Cooley? Or is Cooley given the starting position regardless of play on the practice field? Should be interesting to watch.[/quote]

Hell, if he's torching DBs then he can be our possession receiver.

Re: 2010 Minicamp (non Haynesworth edition)
 

[quote=Defensewins;707202]Davis seems to be torching several DB's. Hmmmm? Will Davis earn a staring spot over Cooley? Or is Cooley given the starting position regardless of play on the practice field?[/quote]

It's an interesting question. My buddies that were trainers for the Skins up until this year said Davis is the best athlete on the team. I've read quotes from players basically saying the same thing. And he showed it after CC got hurt last season.

I love Cooley- prob my favorite Redskin - but you gotta play the best player.

Re: 2010 Minicamp (non Haynesworth edition)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;707139]Yeah, all I keep hearing is "Thomas just torched Barnes on a deep route" "Moss just put a sick move on Barnes" "Kelly burned Barnes over the middle" and so on

Frustrating for sure. Hearing some positive things about Tryon so that's good[/quote]

While its bad news on one side of the coin, I'm heartened by the fact that Thomas and Kelly are making those plays on Barnes, maybe they are not complete busts as some paint them to be.

I guess we have to give them some time. Most were ready to lynch Justin Tyron in his second preseason after giving up those big plays, now look at himnow... he is... well better I guess.

Re: 2010 Minicamp (non Haynesworth edition)
 

[quote=GMScud;707205]It's an interesting question. My buddies that were trainers for the Skins up until this year said Davis is the best athlete on the team. I've read quotes from players basically saying the same thing. And he showed it after CC got hurt last season.

I love Cooley- prob my favorite Redskin - but you gotta play the best player.[/quote]

How about both? Since the WR position has yet to materialize the way we'd all like to see maybe a lot of our sets will have Cooley @ TE w/ Davis swung out in the slot...I dunno this is just pure conjecture.

...Shanny and son are brilliant offensive minds so I guess i have near full faith they'll find a way to use our best weapons.

Re: 2010 Minicamp (non Haynesworth edition)
 

[quote=skinsfan69;707120]very interesting comments by starke. vinny simply never understood the history of the this organization. gotta give snyder credit for bringing in allen. he gets it.[/quote]

honestly I enjoy the history of the franchise but the only tradition we should be worried about is winning and that can be recreated without the history

Re: 2010 Minicamp (non Haynesworth edition)
 

[quote=The Goat;707210]How about both? Since the WR position has yet to materialize the way we'd all like to see maybe a lot of our sets will have Cooley @ TE w/ Davis swung out in the slot...I dunno this is just pure conjecture.

...Shanny and son are brilliant offensive minds so I guess i have near full faith they'll find a way to use our best weapons.[/quote]

Cooley may see an expanded role in the offense this season; he said he is running "everything all the receivers run." His ability to become comfortable with McNabb could be crucial, especially with few proven receiving threats other than Santana Moss.

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/chris-cooley/cooley-working-to-develop-a-ra.html]Redskins Insider - Cooley working to develop a rapport with McNabb[/url]

Re: 2010 Minicamp (non Haynesworth edition)
 

[quote=GMScud;707205]It's an interesting question. My buddies that were trainers for the Skins up until this year said Davis is the best athlete on the team. I've read quotes from players basically saying the same thing. And he showed it after CC got hurt last season.

I love Cooley- prob my favorite Redskin - but you gotta play the best player.[/quote]

Yep. And once Davis gets that extension.. or even beforehand if he earns it you wonder if Shanahan and Allen will think that they should only have one big contract at TE and could have an even younger guy take over, maybe that's why we drafted a TE.. who knows. Maybe if he or Cooley does enough out wide they'll keep them both, I don't want to lose either one.

Re: 2010 Minicamp (non Haynesworth edition)
 

[quote=The Goat;707210]How about both? Since the WR position has yet to materialize the way we'd all like to see maybe a lot of our sets will have Cooley @ TE w/ Davis swung out in the slot...I dunno this is just pure conjecture.

...Shanny and son are brilliant offensive minds so I guess i have near full faith they'll find a way to use our best weapons.[/quote]

I keep hearing about Cooley in the slot more than Davis.. has anyone read about them using Davis there more?