Internet Kill Switch
 

I found this article particularly interesting because it is written for the Australian papers and thus from non-US centric point of view:
[url=http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/obama-internet-kill-switch-proposed-20100618-yln6.html]Obama internet 'kill switch' proposed[/url]

This article gives what I think is a balanced view of the proposed legislation:

[url=http://cbs4.com/local/internet.freedom.regulation.2.1757643.html]Internet Kill Switch Proposed For President - cbs4.com[/url]

Bottomline, Congress may give the President the legal ability to take over, and/or shutdown the internet in a national emergency. Nowadays, that's probably a more scary button then the one to launch the nukes. Further, the bill limits liability of companies if their software somehow screws up in an emergency.

Just think if suddenly the internet was gone, not just for the Warpath, but for all the financial, business, and massive data that flows non-stop. The Australian article compared it to the ability to control the atmosphere. It is amazing that the internet is so entwined into the world fabric. (Thanks Al G! ;))

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Al Gore really out did himself when he invernted this Internet. WOW no norp if Obama hits the button? scary

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Is there anything the government thinks it shouldn't control? Air, water, cyberspace, it never ends.

There is absolutely no need for this.

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Everybody bitches about it until one day a worm steals all of your money and sends it to a bank account in Africa.

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[quote=Angry;707256]Everybody bitches about it until one day a worm steals all of your money and sends it to a bank account in Africa.[/quote]
That's why you use a bank or credit union that provides you protection against that happening in writing.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;707261]That's why you use a bank or credit union that provides you protection against that happening in writing.[/quote]

What happens when they cannot protect themselves because they too have been victimized? The FDIC can't bail out everyone if it happens all at once.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;707261]That's why you use a bank or credit union that provides you protection against that happening in writing.[/quote]

Sammy I understand your point, I don't want the government controlling my Internet browsing habits. But, from a national security point of view, I think that if foreign countries can use cyber attacks the Internet is a border fo sorts and therfore comes under federal jurisdiction. What if some idiot gains control of the air traffic control system like on the show 24? It is not impossible.

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[quote=Angry;707256]Everybody bitches about it until one day a worm steals all of your money and sends it to a bank account in Africa.[/quote]

Or China uses the 'net to take control of our economy and military as the first step of an invasion.

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How would a person kill the internet without shutting down all communications? You would have to shut down cable, satellite systems, telephone connections, etc... to shut down the internet if my thinking is correct.

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[quote=firstdown;707281]How would a person kill the internet without shutting down all communications? You would have to shut down cable, satellite systems, telephone connections, etc... to shut down the internet if my thinking is correct.[/quote]

Good question...

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[quote=firstdown;707281]How would a person kill the internet without shutting down all communications? You would have to shut down cable, satellite systems, telephone connections, etc... to shut down the internet if my thinking is correct.[/quote]

I could tell you but then...

It looks like they would just make the ISP's shut down internet connectivity only. All they world have to do is turn off their servers and routers. Ir can be done without turning off yor television and phone. Just like you can have a problem with only one but the same company provides you with all three.

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Titled "Protecting Cyberspace as a National Asset Act", the [B]bill stipulates any internet firms and providers [/B]must "immediately comply with any emergency measure or action developed" by a new section of the US Department of Homeland Security, dubbed the "National Centre for Cybersecurity and Communications".
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Bump ^

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[quote=Angry;707273]What happens when they cannot protect themselves because they too have been victimized? The FDIC can't bail out everyone if it happens all at once.[/quote]The IT security regulations and practices for financial institutions are normally very strong. This regulation isn't to protect financial institutions anyway, this is for a "national security threat".

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;707274]Sammy I understand your point, I don't want the government controlling my Internet browsing habits. But, from a national security point of view, I think that if foreign countries can use cyber attacks the Internet is a border fo sorts and therfore comes under federal jurisdiction. What if some idiot gains control of the air traffic control system like on the show 24? It is not impossible.[/quote]Without going into too much detail, critical government infrastructure (DoD, DoE, DHS) is isolated from general internet traffic and there are security measures and safeguards in place to protect against cyber-attacks which are ongoing constantly.

This bill is just another case of not "letting a crisis go to waste".

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;707293]The IT security regulations and practices for financial institutions are normally very strong. This regulation isn't to protect financial institutions anyway, this is for a "national security threat".[/quote]


Yeah and an "economic threat" is included in "national security". I only mentioned the money because sometimes that is the only language that people speak around here. Trust me when I tell you that I know what I'm talking about.

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[quote=firstdown;707281]How would a person kill the internet without shutting down all communications? You would have to shut down cable, satellite systems, telephone connections, etc... to shut down the internet if my thinking is correct.[/quote]

actually, if you kill the core dns servers that handle routing, and push blank routing tables out, you would effectively shut it down. That's why the Australian article fascinated me, most of the web is free flowing, but certain core functions are housed in the US, so this type action would not only affect us, but the whole globe. Thats a lotta power.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;707301]actually, if you kill the core dns servers that handle routing, and push blank routing tables out, you would effectively shut it down. That's why the Australian article fascinated me, most of the web is free flowing, but certain core functions are housed in the US, so this type action would not only affect us, but the whole globe. Thats a lotta power.[/quote]

I am offically a libertarian. To hell with the new world order. They tryna take my pron. Over my dead body
!!!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;707301]actually, if you kill the core dns servers that handle routing, and push blank routing tables out, you would effectively shut it down. That's why the Australian article fascinated me, most of the web is free flowing, but certain core functions are housed in the US, so this type action would not only affect us, but the whole globe. Thats a lotta power.[/quote]

Yeah it would be quite easy to shut things down. In fact with how reliant we are now on the net it's only a matter of time before terrorists pull off a major attack on it.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;707295]Without going into too much detail, critical government infrastructure (DoD, DoE, DHS) is isolated from general internet traffic and there are security measures and safeguards in place to protect against cyber-attacks which are ongoing constantly.

This bill is just another case of not "letting a crisis go to waste".[/quote]

Totally agree. Reason number 873 that I can't stand this stinking administration.

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This is a power grab by this administration....oh wait, the last one had a similar plan. Cyber security is a serious issue fellas whether you like it or not...is a kill switch the answer? I don't know but I do know it was for BP's oil spill.

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So, what is the purpose of this bill? What do they intend to prevent/control? They can shut down all the bullshit they want, but they can never stop individuals from using existing hardware, software and communication protocols -- regardless of what they do to ISPs, name servers, or anything else. This would not stop people who understand these relatively simple protocols from using them to communicate between known hosts. A truly ignorant bill, IMO.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;707316]I am offically a libertarian. To hell with the new world order. They tryna take my pron. Over my dead body
!!![/quote]

dude, I really need to get the same stuff you take

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;707295]Without going into too much detail, critical government infrastructure (DoD, DoE, DHS) is isolated from general internet traffic and [B]there are security measures and safeguards in place to protect against cyber-attacks which are ongoing constantly.[/B]
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Yeah but if Megatron and the Decepticons can hack it, you just can't be sure!

Basically, what happened is Lieberman just saw Transformers, and wasn't watching Megan Fox, and realized a national security threat existed!

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[quote=saden1;707326][B]This is a power grab by this administration....oh wait, the last one had a similar plan.[/B] Cyber security is a serious issue fellas whether you like it or not...is a kill switch the answer? I don't know but I do know it was for BP's oil spill.[/quote]

Sigh. Can just one liberal take criticism of Obama and Co without referencing Bush?

Too many lefties out there see critics of Obama as Bush endorsers. It's not that black and white (no pun intended :) ).

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;707327]So, what is the purpose of this bill? What do they intend to prevent/control? They can shut down all the bullshit they want, but they can never stop individuals from using existing hardware, software and communication protocols -- regardless of what they do to ISPs, name servers, or anything else. This would not stop people who understand these relatively simple protocols from using them to communicate between known hosts. A truly ignorant bill, IMO.[/quote]

Without the dns servers, which handle the routing, the internet does not work, known host or not, if they blank the dns caches then unless you have a point to point connection, you aren't communicating.

I am certain it's oversimplification, but honestly, if the government approves this, and forces every provider to have a procedure in place, much like they do with the Emergency Broadcasting System, then they certainly could enforce an internet shutdown.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;707327]So, what is the purpose of this bill? What do they intend to prevent/control? They can shut down all the bullshit they want, but they can never stop individuals from using existing hardware, software and communication protocols -- regardless of what they do to ISPs, name servers, or anything else. This would not stop people who understand these relatively simple protocols from using them to communicate between known hosts. A truly ignorant bill, IMO.[/quote]

Umm, I imagine routing will be disabled and your requests will be ignored altogether.

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[quote=GMScud;707332]Sigh. Can just one liberal take criticism of Obama and Co without referencing Bush?

Too many lefties out there see critics of Obama as Bush endorsers. It's not that black and white (no pun intended :) ).[/quote]

Why are you surprised? That's standard party hack procedure. It's like after getting kicked in the balls, the kicker says, "Why are so pissed? I don't remember you saying anything when so-and-so slept with your wife?"

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[quote=GMScud;707332]Sigh. Can just one liberal take criticism of Obama and Co without referencing Bush?

Too many lefties out there see critics of Obama as Bush endorsers. It's not that black and white (no pun intended :) ).[/quote]

Well maybe if you weren't so inclined to label it as a simple power grab, which isn't a criticism, and instead pointed out the terribleness of the idea and suggested better approaches to securing the nation's network I might be inclined to give you a more thoughtful response. Until then I'm going to give you the same effort.

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It's like I said, it's not about money anymore. The central gang-banksters can make money up out of thin air. It's about control. Obama is just a puppet, just like the jack-ass he replaced. The Internet allows people to get different information than the hammer and sickle news agencies who mislead the public into debt, war, and servitude. They don't want you to think for yourself and make up your own mind. They want you to believe in the phony left-right / WWF BS so they can MF and control you. They want to silence people like Matt Drudge, Steve Quayle, Alex Jones, Lew Rockwell, George Noorey, and Gerald Celente because they're not on the payroll of the central banks. This is also why they want to make everyone come to them to be licensed "journalist". They want you hooked on their propaganda so you'll be as calm as hindu cows when you hit the water.

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[quote=saden1;707343]Well maybe if you weren't so inclined to label it as a simple power grab, which isn't a criticism, and[B] instead pointed out the terribleness of the idea and suggested better approaches to securing the nation's network[/B] I might be inclined to give you a more thoughtful response. Until then I'm going to give you the same effort.[/quote]

Sorry, I missed your proposal for securing the nation's network. I must have been too busy supporting Bush. Que facepalm...

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[quote=GMScud;707350]Sorry, I missed your proposal for securing the nation's network. I must have been too busy supporting Bush. Que facepalm...[/quote]

You know me, whatever Lord Obama wants I'm down with it.

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One thing about conservatives: they know alot about the past but they have a limited vision of the future, how it works, the new boundaries. They are upset because they are no longer allowed to define the game, the rules, or the players. Remember the 80's when they defined Russian women as not being attractive? What happened when technology and the world advanced to the point we could actually see Russian women? We had been robbed of some of the finest athletic women in the world. We lost a quality in life due to their lies. They use this same definition strategy for everything like a cookie cutter. Example, keep saying communist. That stuff don't work anymore.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;707358]One thing about conservatives: they know alot about the past but they have a limited vision of the future, how it works, the new boundaries. They are upset because they are no longer allowed to define the game, the rules, or the players. Remember the 80's when they defined Russian women as not being attractive? What happened when technology and the world advanced to the point we could actually see Russian women? We had been robbed of some of the finest athletic women in the world. We lost a quality in life due to their lies. They use this same definition strategy for everything like a cookie cutter. Example, keep saying communist. That stuff don't work anymore.[/quote]

Me, I like Russian Chicks[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxThsrmQMZw"]Russian Babes[/ame](link NSFW probably)

puff puff pass:cool-smil

Trample, I hear what you are saying but no way ya gonna be heard over the left-right argument

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;707360]Me, I like Russian Chicks[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxThsrmQMZw"]Russian Babes[/url](link NSFW probably)

puff puff pass:cool-smil

Trample, I hear what you are saying but no way ya gonna be heard over the left-right argument[/quote]

Yeah I know. For the record, I LOVE SLAVIC CHICKS!

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[quote=saden1;707326]This is a power grab by this administration....oh wait, [B]the last one had a similar plan[/B]. Cyber security is a serious issue fellas whether you like it or not...is a kill switch the answer? I don't know but I do know it was for BP's oil spill.[/quote]What was the Bush Admin plan for this?

I agree 100% Cybersecurity is a serious issue, but as you are well aware, attacks are going on 24/7/365 and have been for quite sometime. Gov't agencies and private enterprise subject to these attacks already have strong security in place (for the most part). Fed control of private networks isn't the answer. The only time this is warranted is if it's provided for by a specific gov't contract supporting critical circuits from a carrier.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;707368]What was the Bush Admin plan for this?

I agree 100% Cybersecurity is a serious issue, but as you are well aware, attacks are going on 24/7/365 and have been for quite sometime. Gov't agencies and private enterprise subject to these attacks already have strong security in place (for the most part). Fed control of private networks isn't the answer. The only time this is warranted is if it's provided for by a specific gov't contract supporting critical circuits from a carrier.[/quote]

It's like the matrix you can't control everybody unless you open yourself to be possibly controlled. It won't matter if you are running everything from a carrier. In order for the carrier to communicate with the rest of the world it has to open the big steel door. Think about the nature of the Internet. Everything will be connected, this will mean you get control or freedom. You can hit and you can be hit.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;707368]What was the Bush Admin plan for this?

I agree 100% Cybersecurity is a serious issue, but as you are well aware, attacks are going on 24/7/365 and have been for quite sometime. Gov't agencies and private enterprise subject to these attacks already have strong security in place (for the most part). Fed control of private networks isn't the answer. The only time this is warranted is if it's provided for by a specific gov't contract supporting critical circuits from a carrier.[/quote]

That's a perception. Actually, there is no security. Like Mc Cain said let's run the economy like Ebay!!! Conservatives are gonna have us so far behind. Not me. Those tea party guys aren't snmart enough to keep me out their bed rooms much less their wallets. LOL!!!!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;707334]Without the dns servers, which handle the routing, the internet does not work, known host or not, if they blank the dns caches then unless you have a point to point connection, you aren't communicating.

I am certain it's oversimplification, but honestly, if the government approves this, and forces every provider to have a procedure in place, much like they do with the Emergency Broadcasting System, then they certainly could enforce an internet shutdown.[/quote]

The DNS servers only resolve IP address to names. DNS is a facade to what is really happening, and certainly not necessary for network communication.

Which brings us to P2P -- the "known host" part I was referring to. All that is needed for P2P connections is a medium and the protocols. The protocols are built into millions of devices around the world. So, as long as you have a connection to your peer and some easy-to-make, easy-to-get, mass-produced devices, then you can still communicate. There are really no fundamental differences between P2P and normal Internet communications. They both generally use the same protocols.

[quote=saden1;707337]Umm, I imagine routing will be disabled and your requests will be ignored altogether.[/quote]

Communication can still occur without the ISP -- all they really provide is a gateway to other unknown networks. However, none of that is necessary if you know your host and maintain a physical connection.

To me the biggest hurdle would be the physical connection part, but there are so many ways to connect that the US government doesn't control, that I don't see it being much of a problem for, say, Terrorists.

So, basically all this means is that normal people won't be able to use the Internet if they shut it down. No YouTube. No Warpath. No news (which sadly will be what most people want the Internet for in a time of emergency). Terrorists will have a minor inconvenience. Only the honest people will suffer really. To me, these kinds of proposals only showcase the ignorance of the people behind it. They're trying to legislate something that is clearly beyond their comprehension.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;707374]It's like the matrix you can't control everybody unless you open yourself to be possibly controlled. It won't matter if you are running everything from a carrier. In order for the carrier to communicate with the rest of the world it has to open the big steel door. Think about the nature of the Internet. Everything will be connected, this will mean you get control or freedom. You can hit and you can be hit.[/quote]You need to go back to :cool-smil and let the folks who do this stuff for a living talk about network security.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;707368]What was the Bush Admin plan for this?

I agree 100% Cybersecurity is a serious issue, but as you are well aware, attacks are going on 24/7/365 and have been for quite sometime. Gov't agencies and private enterprise subject to these attacks already have strong security in place (for the most part). Fed control of private networks isn't the answer. The only time this is warranted is if it's provided for by a specific gov't contract supporting critical circuits from a carrier.[/quote]

[URL="http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&rgn=div5&view=text&node=47:5.0.2.2.2&idno=47"]You can do whatever you want by simply declaring a national emergency[/URL].