Skins' QB in 2005?
 

vote and discuss

Ramsey all the way. This franchise has gone through QB's like freaking underwear. We need continuity at the position and I feel like Ramsey is the man. He still has a lot to learn, but he has all the talent to become a succesful QB in the NFL. Stick with Ramsey....

I'm hoping it's Ramsey.

He basically has a 7 game audition for next season. It's not going to be easy for him, he hasn't had much work all season in practice and now all of a sudden he's the starter. Plus we're entering a tough part of the schedule so his margin for error is going to be slim.

Hopefully he'll flash enough to convince Gibbs that he can be the QB to take this team to the next level. It's hard to imagine him playing any worse than Brunell has, that's for sure.

I voted for Ramsey, but I do think that is subject to change contingent upon his performance over these last seven games. Indeed, we are really gonna find out alot about how well suited he is to run this offense. Especially over the next two weeks where those blitz happy pa teams are gonna try and exploit his immobility by throwing the whole team at him. So I expect him to do well, but we'll see. As good as he was at the beginning last year, once teams figured out you could blitz him without repercussion he was never the same (I know that is largely Spurrier's fault). So we'll see.

It has to be other. Its obvious now why gibbs had reservations about putting PR into the game. Maybe getting to start a game will change PR's performance for the better, but I doubt it. MB is done. The skins have a real dillema on their hands and will have to decide whether to get another free-agent QB or draft one and develop him fresh.

Kitna? Brees? Has there been talk of these guys coming to Washington that I missed? Isn't Kitna under contract for a while in Cincy?

I voted other, only because Ramsey obviously doesn't fit the bill for Gibbs, otherwise we would have seen him starting in Week 1. Unless Ramsey really turns the corner and becomes the franchise quarterback that we all expected when he was drafted, (which I highly doubt -- this franchise seems to be doomed when it comes to developing our own quarterbacks) I think Gibbs will either bring in someone else or go back with Mark Brunell. Believe it or not, barring Mark Brunell's retirement or injury, I don't think Gibbs is ready to give up on the man that he personally hand picked as soon as he returned as head coach.

I was just throwing out some names, Brees is probably going to be the big name FA in the market and Wilbon mentioned Kitna in his article.

Why did we have to get rid of Trent Green? Voted for Ramsey due to not being able to afford any other qb. What is the cap hit if Burnell retires?

Green was caught up in the whole ownership change mess. It's hard to fault anyone for him leaving, plus he wanted to play in his hometown so he probably would have left anyway.

Stay with Ramsey.

We don't have the money for a new QB so let coach Gibbs "coach'em up".

He already has the physical tools to be very good. Just needs some help
with the mental tools. Confidence, more pocket presence, better reads, etc.

We can't say who should start in 2005 because we don't know what Ramsey is going to do this season. We should not cede this season to Ramsey - he has to earn it. We have another quarterback on the roster, and if Ramsey can't get the team going, then we shouldn't stick with him until the ship sinks under the sea. We should get a new boat - Hasselbeck. If Ramsey shows promise and keeps improving, then let him play.

I don't think we are going to spend a lot in free agency on Brees. If Kitna comes cheap, then he is a possibility. I think at this point we should let Brunell go and take the salary cap hit.

If Ramsey flounders and is not showing promise, then I think we should release him at the end of the season, or trade him if possible. Hopefully, however, his time on the sidelines has given him a chance to master the system mentally. With Brunell fading from the picture, he doesn't have anyone looking over his shoulder in the immediate future.

Now is the time - Ramsey has to show he can be the leader or else we have to let him go and start anew. I wish him luck.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]...He basically has a 7 game audition for next season. It's not going to be easy for him, he hasn't had much work all season in practice and now all of a sudden he's the starter. Plus we're entering a tough part of the schedule so his margin for error is going to be slim.

Hopefully he'll flash enough to convince Gibbs that he can be the QB to take this team to the next level. It's hard to imagine him playing any worse than Brunell has, that's for sure.[/QUOTE]

I hope Ramsey works out. However you seem to be preparing a ready made excuse in case he does not do well. He has had plenty of time running this offense. All the QB schools this summer, the entire training camp and preseason. Lets not kid ourselves, if Ramsey is not ready by now, it is his own fault. You make it sound like he has not taken snap in months. He gets plenty of work in practice.

Exactly Defense. Every week on Channel 4 in Dc both gibbs & bugel say that PR needs to show them more in practice and because of that he is not the starter. If PR cant do it in practice then he will never do it in game time.

PR does have the physical skills (so did Jeff George) but as I have read various reports in the papers that quote defense players in the nfl saying that PR cant "see" the field. A QB can have all the physical skiil in the world but if he can see the field than those skills are moot. I'm just not sure vision can be taught in summer QB camp. The skins are in big trouble at the QB position.

As long as the offensive line can protect him, Ramsey is going to be alright. He has the arm to make all the throws and now that he's starting the experience is only going to make him better. His only drawback is his immobility, but there are a lot of good QB's out there that still perform while having to deal with this issue.

I voted Ramsey out of pure despair. But I don't know...

[QUOTE=Defensewins]I hope Ramsey works out. However you seem to be preparing a ready made excuse in case he does not do well. He has had plenty of time running this offense. All the QB schools this summer, the entire training camp and preseason. Lets not kid ourselves, if Ramsey is not ready by now, it is his own fault. You make it sound like he has not taken snap in months. He gets plenty of work in practice.[/QUOTE]
I'm not making excuses for him I'm just saying don't be surprised if he struggles a bit. Gibbs put all of his eggs in one basket with Brunell this year, Ramsey has been left on the shelf for the most part.

As for him getting plenty of work in practice I guess that's true if you consider 10% of the snaps and running the practice squad a lot of work.

Let him work as the starter for a few weeks and we'll see where he stands. Something tells me he'll be much better off with more work with the first team.

I'm not going to judge Ramsey until he has had time to start at least four games (Phi,Pit,NYG,Phi), even then I might give him more time cause those are really tough games. Were throwing this guy right into the fire...

[QUOTE=Gmanc711]I'm not going to judge Ramsey until he has had time to start at least four games (Phi,Pit,NYG,Phi), even then I might give him more time cause those are really tough games. Were throwing this guy right into the fire...[/QUOTE]
I agree, if we can come out of that stretch with 2 wins it will be a positive.

Ramsey isn't being put in to an ideal situation here. Not only is the schedule tough, but he's not exactly taking over an offense that's firing on all cylinders right now.

wait and see how Ramsey does the rest of the way. If he struggles, I would think about Brees, but with so much money sunk into Brunell, I'm not sure they would be able to sign him.

I picked Ramsey because there is no other choice,Gibbs Fcked us for next yr and probably the yr after with the money thrown at Brunell,the only way I dont see Ramsey starting is injury or trade

I like Patrick, but until he can be consistent I'm not 100% on him being the starter going into next season. Lets see him finish this season strong & I think he builds a stronger case for 05.

Well not to sound like zack mills or anyone. lol But if we dont get our qb situation fixed by next season we will be having this discussion again this time next year. I mean lets look at the team this year. What has really held us back? Brunell. The offense although maybe complicated it is not rocket science. Look at the others that succeeded in the system. It won Doug Williams a free trip to Disney World. It cant be that difficult.

I voted Ramsey but as long as he doesnt stink the place up stop trying to win the game with one pass and forcing ill advised passes he should be okay... He will have teathing problems but if he can get his early form and poise back we will be in the money...

.. Brees is a pipe dream and I am not sure how much this sudden emergence of his form is him maturing into a NFL QB from a promising Rookie or "hey i am in a contrat year get me the hell out of San Diego" i really hope we don't spend any big money going after him.

As for Gibbs throwing the dice on Brunell that is exactly what he did and if Brunell had any aspect of his arm or mobility left he could have been a big pick up but this year he has looked anything but a starting QB in the NFL. It is unfortunate but that is all it is.

[QUOTE=Skins fan 44]Well not to sound like zack mills or anyone. lol But if we dont get our qb situation fixed by next season we will be having this discussion again this time next year. I mean lets look at the team this year. What has really held us back? Brunell. The offense although maybe complicated it is not rocket science. Look at the others that succeeded in the system. It won Doug Williams a free trip to Disney World. It cant be that difficult.[/QUOTE]


Doug Williams was a pretty decent QB before the skins signed him. It wasn't [I]just[/I] the system...

Ramsey will look so much better with focused mentoring from the coaches and reps with the first team. Gibbs had already decided to go with Brunell this season.

Ramsey threw for over 200 yards in 3 qtrs. and we actually had a passing game with him in there. if brunell was in there, i think we would have been shut out. Give Ramsey time to work with the first team in practice. And if anyone seen, Ramsey had a few guys drop easy passes,as well, gardner had one deep that he couldnt handle. even though oneal was right there in coverage, ramsey's pass went right into gardners hands. once again, LET ramsey settle with the first team in practice, as well, he is in his first year with a NFL SYSTEM. he is still a true rookie IMO because he was in a college system with tulane and then spurrier.

If we keep the same QBs next season then Ramsey without a doubt should start and Hasselbeck should be the 2nd string back-up. Whatever happened to Elvis Grbac that was with the 49er's for a little while? I thought he did a decent job. Heck, I know some of you might laugh at me but I liked ol' Gus Ferrotte.

Hopefully Ramsey. Lets just say if it's not Ramsey then they are in deep trouble. They hardly have the cap money for another big QB splash this offseason. Brees is playing his way into millions right now so it won't be him. they may get Kitna cheep but that doesn't excite me. Hopefully, Ramsey will start these last 7 and make progress.

[QUOTE=skinsguy]If we keep the same QBs next season then Ramsey without a doubt should start and Hasselbeck should be the 2nd string back-up. Whatever happened to Elvis Grbac that was with the 49er's for a little while? I thought he did a decent job. Heck, I know some of you might laugh at me but I liked ol' Gus Ferrotte.[/QUOTE]
Elvis Grbac is Jeff George II....remember the Ravens picked him up to replace Dilfer after they won the SB, and he tanked. Brilliant! ;)

I think Ramsey will be the man in DC for a long time.

[QUOTE=irish]The skins have a real dillema on their hands and will have to decide whether to get another free-agent QB or draft one and develop him fresh.[/QUOTE]

Well, if Gibbs drafts a QB next year, I can guarantee you he won't see the field during regular season play in '05. Gibbs was famous for drafting QBs only to have them hold the clipboard for 2-3 years, and that was after one to two years on injured reserve.

Clearly though, things in the NFL today are much different than they were during the 1980's. The rules of free agency and the salary cap will definitely change the way Gibbs "farms" his quarterbacks.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]As for him getting plenty of work in practice I guess that's true if you consider 10% of the snaps and running the practice squad a lot of work.[/QUOTE]

Do we know that this is the case? 10% of snaps is all Ramsey has been getting?

There is one positive thing to remember -- did anyone else notice Ramsey getting into a pretty good rhythm with Laveranues Coles in the 4th quarter? On one drive Coles caught 3 out of 4 passes, which were mainly 10 yard hook patterns. He and Ramsey seemed to be getting into a pretty good groove there for a while. Rod Gardner though, had one of his less memorable games.

And that was another thing plaguing our team yesterday. Quarterback isn't the only problem with this offense. In addition to the drops from our wideouts, there are still major issues with the offensive line to address. Dockery still seems to be good for either a holding penalty or false start in just about every game. Ditto for Cory Raymer. Chris Samuels and Randy Thomas seem to be holding their own. But Ray Brown is probably running on fumes at right tackle. Whatever happened to Kenyatta Jones?

For all the problems Gibbs is having with his quarterbacks, Joe Bugel is having his own problems with the O-line. Plus, there isn't consistent run blocking that we can depend on when we really need it. Yesterday would have been one of those games when we should have been able to simply hand the ball to Portis, get him his 30 or more carries and hope he can break one.

Point is, quarterback isn't the only problem with this team.

I'm so pissed off right now, I can't even see straight! Hasselbeck has the most potential and value. Have we seen what Ramsey can do? I know one thing he hasn't lived up to be a first round pick. And he's not worth being paid any more money. If our front office was smart, they would keep Ramsey on the sidelines in hope that another team still wants him! If he starts from here on out, his stock will drop. And that's real! All the money and the draft pick given up for Brunell?! Instead of short changing Sean Taylor they should've been negotiating an incentive laden contract along with a conditional draft pick for Brunell. Deion. 8 million dollars. Brunell. 8 milion dollars. A new GM. Priceless. And don't get me started on Gibbs...

for all intensive purposes,ramsey had a good game.on the other hand,if the bengals dbs had better hands,he would have thrown at least 8 ints yesterday.

i do'nt think it would be fair to NOT let ramsey start the rest of the season.

i do think the skins need a gm badly.gibbs is a great coach,but if not for beatheard and casserley,and the scouts.he would have been just another coach.

kitna... cuz he's a cheap alternative. if rams shows something the rest of this season, then it's PR.

BOSSHOG , can we at least give ramsey a chance first , before we start calling for hasselback? ramsey has not looked very good in relief of the old shatty one but he's come into the games trying to bring the team back from behind, let him have some practice with the starters and let him play a game or two from start to finnish, if he still looks bad then maybe it's time for hasselback. i must say though, having watched hasselback last year, he looked no better than ramsey and watching him in the pre-season is not a good way to guage how good he is because he only played against 3rd and 4th string players. the best thing about hasselback is he can scramble and run better than brunell and ramsey.

[QUOTE=BossHog]I'm so pissed off right now, I can't even see straight! Hasselbeck has the most potential and value. Have we seen what Ramsey can do? I know one thing he hasn't lived up to be a first round pick. And he's not worth being paid any more money. If our front office was smart, they would keep Ramsey on the sidelines in hope that another team still wants him! If he starts from here on out, his stock will drop. And that's real! All the money and the draft pick given up for Brunell?! Instead of short changing Sean Taylor they should've been negotiating an incentive laden contract along with a conditional draft pick for Brunell. Deion. 8 million dollars. Brunell. 8 milion dollars. A new GM. Priceless. And don't get me started on Gibbs...[/QUOTE]


How does Hasselbeck have more potential and value than Ramsey?

[QUOTE=Redskins_P]How does Hasselbeck have more potential and value than Ramsey?[/QUOTE]
Seriously, I'd love to hear more on that

Ramsey is the man. After the money that we spent on Brunnel, we can't afford to play "Guess the next Quarterback". Brunnel won't get dropped before June 2005 for cap reasons and I would be surprised if he doesn't end up back next year in a back up roll. Then again, he may just look back at his games and deside to retire. That would be a nice out. I bet we draft a big time o-lineman next year and get our defense healthy. Ramsey, Coles, and Portis could have a monster year.

[QUOTE=BossHog]I'm so pissed off right now, I can't even see straight! Hasselbeck has the most potential and value. Have we seen what Ramsey can do? I know one thing he hasn't lived up to be a first round pick. And he's not worth being paid any more money. If our front office was smart, they would keep Ramsey on the sidelines in hope that another team still wants him! If he starts from here on out, his stock will drop. And that's real! All the money and the draft pick given up for Brunell?! Instead of short changing Sean Taylor they should've been negotiating an incentive laden contract along with a conditional draft pick for Brunell. Deion. 8 million dollars. Brunell. 8 milion dollars. A new GM. Priceless. And don't get me started on Gibbs...[/QUOTE]

Actually, I'd love to know what your reffering to w/ Gibbs?