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The left wonders why I feel the need to work harder so my child can go to private school. The first sentence of the article tells allot. No one objected to this in the meeting or thought anything was wrong with giving condoms to children that young without telling the parents.

"When the school board in Provincetown, Mass., voted unanimously on June 8 to provide free condoms to all students in the district without parental notification, no one in the audience objected."

[url=http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/24/condoms-kids-provincetown-protest-bad-day/]FOXNews.com - Condoms for First Graders? School Board's Decision Sparks Firestorm in Massachusetts[/url]

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[quote=firstdown;708889]The left wonders why I feel the need to work harder so my child can go to private school. The first sentence of the article tells allot. No one objected to this in the meeting or thought anything was wrong with giving condoms to children that young without telling the parents.

"When the school board in [B]Provincetown, Mass[/B]., voted unanimously on June 8 to provide free condoms to all students in the district without parental notification, no one in the audience objected."

[URL="http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/24/condoms-kids-provincetown-protest-bad-day/"]FOXNews.com - Condoms for First Graders? School Board's Decision Sparks Firestorm in Massachusetts[/URL][/quote]


Probably the largest gay area on the east coast. To say that town is free thinkers is an understatement.

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[quote=mredskins;708890]Probably the largest gay area on the east coast. To say that town is free thinkers is an understatement.[/quote]
So just because your gay you have no morals or no standards?

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This bothers me in a few different ways. I'll try my best to explain all.

society is definatley sexualizing children, which i'm well aware of. I think 1st graders are too young to be given condoms, thats for sure.

The media likes to portray the "innocent children" fluff too. I'm also aware of that. However, for every one "innocent" child, there are a few others who are smoking weed, getting drunk, having sex, etc. etc.

I will go on record and say that i think children shouldn't obviously be having sex, for obvious reasons.

However, it is well known now adays that even in the 5th and 6th grade, there is sex and sexual stuff going on now between kids, and i'd have to assume that many of them are not being careful and thinking about STDS or pregnancy or whatever.

i think if these kids decide they want to have sex, then they should also realize they need to use protection. I guess some could argue that the schools should try to discourage sex, but we all know kids are going to be kids and eventually they are going to decide to have sex.

All we can do is try and promote responsibility and teach the importance of safe sex.

However, i think before the 6th grade, elementary school should have no business handing out condoms and the like.

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[quote=firstdown;708895]So just because your gay you have no morals or no standards?[/quote]


I didn't say that, I was just saying that most gay communities are liberal in their thoughts.

Have you ever been there? It is on the tip of cape cod and probably has 100 year residents.

For the record most extreme right wingers believe gays have no morals or standards simple because they are gay.

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[quote=firstdown;708889]The left wonders why I feel the need to work harder so my child can go to private school. The first sentence of the article tells allot. No one objected to this in the meeting or thought anything was wrong with giving condoms to children that young without telling the parents.

"When the school board in Provincetown, Mass., voted unanimously on June 8 to provide free condoms to all students in the district without parental notification, no one in the audience objected."

[URL="http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/24/condoms-kids-provincetown-protest-bad-day/"]FOXNews.com - Condoms for First Graders? School Board's Decision Sparks Firestorm in Massachusetts[/URL][/quote]
Some of the far left are just ....out to lunch .... f'ing 1st graders ??Whats next , giving away hotel suites to 6th-8th graders if they get good grades , maybe stock a wet bar too ? Give tham rolling papers and needles too , just in case they want to go that route ??? Maybe would should start to punish adults that do not meet there parental duties , as many parents need to stop acting like kids and raise their children like an adult should . Our public schools are a joke at times = fail .

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[quote=mredskins;708901]I didn't say that, I was just saying that most gay communities are liberal in their thoughts.

For the record most extreme right wingers believe gays have no morals or standards simple because they are gay.[/quote]

I did not really direct the question to you I just threw it out there. I have and know a good number of gay people and they all have better morals then allot of other people I know. I don't by the fact that because your gay you have no morals.

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I'm sure they had condoms for first graders in mind when they though of providing free condoms to all students. Seems like no one is forcing the students to actually take the condom...if your kid is fucking around it's not the schools fault, it is yours.

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Its the schools fault if they know my kid is f*&ing around and they don't tell me. If someone gave my 7 yr old child a condom I go up to the school and kick their ass and when I got out of jail I'd kick their ass again. By the school providing the condome they are saying its OK for these children to F around. Thats like me telling my child that candy is bad for her then handing her a bag of candy for if she decides want to eat some.

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Kids are "getting started" at younger and younger ages these days. That's the reality of it. What we really need is more education at younger ages, and honestly I don't have a huge problem with making protection available. Let's face it they're doing it whether they have protection or not, so why not make it available?

Overall this speaks to a bigger issue, and that's the need for more education and guidance at earlier ages both in school and at home.

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[quote=firstdown;708913]Its the schools fault if they know my kid is f*&ing around and they don't tell me. If someone gave my 7 yr old child a condom I go up to the school and kick their ass and when I got out of jail I'd kick their ass again. By the school providing the condome they are saying its OK for these children to F around. Thats like me telling my child that candy is bad for her then handing her a bag of candy for if she decides want to eat some.[/quote]

The schools job is not to monitor your kid's sexual activity...I don't think that's in their mandate. You should be grateful they're providing services that insures your kid doesn't catch AIDS. If your kid takes a free condom they're not giving it to them. It's all on you! Always!

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[quote=saden1;708909]I'm sure they had condoms for first graders when they though of providing free condoms to all students. Seems like no one is forcing the students to actually take the condom...if your kid is fucking around it's not the schools fault, it is yours.[/quote]

6 year-olds should not even have a clue what sex is. The school is not providing a service by making condoms available, they're introducing sex to small children before the parents even need to or get to explain it to their kids. They are FAR too young to worry about it, they need to be children and play.

Your mentality and these schools are absolutely disgusting, immoral and contributing to the downfall of our society. Too many schools are trying to race into the childrens' minds and mold/corrupt/control their ideas and morals before the parents can fully instill their beliefs in their children. God is only mentioned in schools when they have an opportunity to speak negatively and tear down religion. The real history of this nation is hidden and changed to include those who the school/Government want to make important...and exclude those who don't fit their current political agenda. The real history of this nation has to be taught at home now. I don't care if no black men were present for the Founding of the Nation...it's simply how it happened and should be taught accurately. Yes, we've had great men of color in our nation's history who have contributed mightily, but include them alongside learning about Thomas Paine and Paul Revere...not instead of them. The nation was founded on Christian principles...factually...so teach that. The Bible doesn't have to be read, just teach what the Founders actually believed at the time in a historical context...not negate mentioning of Christianity while having days where kids must pretend to be Muslim or Hindu.

It's scary how the school systems and Government are blatantly trying to indoctrinate our kids to have a future voting class on their side. They realize my generation is already "lost", meaning we've learned some of the nation's real history and can think on our own, so they're actively trying to get to our childrens' minds before we as parents can. Their goal is not entirely to teach our kids, it's to make our kids think like them.

How you can rationalize this decision or excuse it is beyond me. Not only are kids this young not ready for sex physically, but not psychologically either. They should really have no idea it's something they can do at that age, it will only scar the kids morally for a lifetime and ruin their childhoods that are supposed to be for enjoying life and not having the stresses and responsibilities of adulthood. To introduce them to this so young is to literally rob them of their childhood.


This is why my wife and I are seriously considering homeschooling, at least in the lower grades, so we don't have to worry about what is bring done to our son behind our backs, or having to FIX everything they taught him incorrectly in school...mainly in the social studies and history department.

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There should be an age limit. Anyone who would give a condom to a first grader should be fired.

But that raises the question, which is the appropriate age? When does sex ed begin in school these days..5th, 6th grade? Make the condom availible to middle schooler then...its really not that hard of a problem to solve

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[quote=Buster;708922]6 year-olds should not even have a clue what sex is. The school is not providing a service by making condoms available, they're introducing sex to small children before the parents even need to or get to explain it to their kids. They are FAR too young to worry about it, they need to be children and play.

Your mentality and these schools are absolutely disgusting, immoral and contributing to the downfall of our society. Too many schools are trying to race into the childrens' minds and mold/corrupt/control their ideas and morals before the parents can fully instill their beliefs in their children. God is only mentioned in schools when they have an opportunity to speak negatively and tear down religion. The real history of this nation is hidden and changed to include those who the school/Government want to make important...and exclude those who don't fit their current political agenda. The real history of this nation has to be taught at home now. I don't care if no black men were present for the Founding of the Nation...it's simply how it happened and should be taught accurately. Yes, we've had great men of color in our nation's history who have contributed mightily, but include them alongside learning about Thomas Paine and Paul Revere...not instead of them. The nation was founded on Christian principles...factually...so teach that. The Bible doesn't have to be read, just teach what the Founders actually believed at the time in a historical context...not negate mentioning of Christianity while having days where kids must pretend to be Muslim or Hindu.

It's scary how the school systems and Government are blatantly trying to indoctrinate our kids to have a future voting class on their side. They realize my generation is already "lost", meaning we've learned some of the nation's real history and can think on our own, so they're actively trying to get to our childrens' minds before we as parents can. Their goal is not entirely to teach our kids, it's to make our kids think like them.

How you can rationalize this decision or excuse it is beyond me. Not only are kids this young not ready for sex physically, but not psychologically either. They should really have no idea it's something they can do at that age, it will only scar the kids morally for a lifetime and ruin their childhoods that are supposed to be for enjoying life and not having the stresses and responsibilities of adulthood. To introduce them to this so young is to literally rob them of their childhood.


This is why my wife and I are seriously considering homeschooling, at least in the lower grades, so we don't have to worry about what is bring done to our son behind our backs, or having to FIX everything they taught him incorrectly in school...mainly in the social studies and history department.[/quote]

Fuck off, knowledge is power. If your kid doesn't know what sex at six grade how are they going to know if it's "immoral and wrong?"

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[quote=Mattyk;708914]Kids are "getting started" at younger and younger ages these days. That's the reality of it.[/quote]

Thanks to schools' sex education starting as early as Kindergarten, as well as Hollywood/MTV/etc.

If you make them aware of it younger, of course they'll be curious earlier.

Parents also have a large chunk of the blame, but now the reality is that kids are purposely being introduced to it at an artificially young age before they'd even be interested in it. Even children of the best parents are still learning about sex before they SHOULD and good parents are also being forced to explain it and answer questions coming from the education system. Parents should not have to teach a 5 year-old about sex...but because they're having sex education forced on them in school, the parents have to counter it.

Handing condoms to kids is not protecting them, it's enabling them and pushing them into curiosity they should not even be aware of so young.

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[quote=saden1;708925]Fuck off, knowledge is power.[/quote]

I feel sorry for your kids, sincerely. They have a father more immature than them.

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[quote=Buster;708926]Thanks to schools' sex education starting as early as Kindergarten, as well as Hollywood/MTV/etc.

If you make them aware of it younger, of course they'll be curious earlier.

Parents also have a large chunk of the blame, but now the reality is that kids are purposely being introduced to it at an artificially young age before they'd even be interested in it. Even children of the best parents are still learning about sex before they SHOULD and good parents are also being forced to explain it and answer questions coming from the education system. Parents should not have to teach a 5 year-old about sex...but because they're having sex education forced on them in school, the parents have to counter it.

Handing condoms to kids is not protecting them, it's enabling them and pushing them into curiosity they should not even be aware of so young.[/quote]

You're in the dark ages bro. Seriously. This is 2010 not 1950.

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[quote=Chico23231;708924]There should be an age limit. Anyone who would give a condom to a first grader should be fired.

But that raises the question, which is the appropriate age? When does sex ed begin in school these days..5th, 6th grade? Make the condom availible to middle schooler then...[B]its really not that hard of a problem to solve[/B][/quote]


It is when concerned parents have to battle liberals in the education system who want to expose kids to homosexuality and any religion OTHER than Christianity, it's nearly impossible.

It's no shock that t-shirts of a horrible human being Che Guevera are so popular with teens these days, they're not being taught who he really was. He's being built up as some hero in the warped version of history being taught in an attempt to get the kids on "their" side.

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[quote=Mattyk;708930]You're in the dark ages bro. Seriously. This is 2010 not 1950.[/quote]

The society was far better off in 1950.

If that's supposed to be some kind of insult, you actually weakened your argument.

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[quote=Buster;708931][B]It is when concerned parents have to battle liberals in the education system who want to expose kids to homosexuality and any religion OTHER than Christianity, it's nearly impossible.[/B][/quote]

You're so warped it's laughable.

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[quote=Mattyk;708934]You're so warped it's laughable.[/quote]
Coming from someone who thinks like you, that's a badge of honor.

Get your head out of the sand...school have an agenda far more expansive than teaching math and grammar.

I've seen it first hand with my local school district, where the ACLU came in and forced the school to change their science curriculum against the will of 98% of the parents...simply because the school was teaching that evolution was a THEORY and not proven fact. [U]TWO[/U] atheist parents were "offended" and called ACLU lawyers.

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[quote=Buster;708933]The society was far better off in 1950.

If that's supposed to be some kind of insult, you actually weakened your argument.[/quote]

Just saying your thinking isn't based on reality. Sex ed is being forced on young kids, really? A lot of schools don't even have sex ed to begin with and if they do they aren't teaching it to elementary kids.

Kids are exposed to sex at young ages more than ever. To counter that you need to educate them and give them the proper guidance. What do you propose? Keep them in the dark and preach abstinence?

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[quote=Buster;708928]I feel sorry for your kids, sincerely. They have a father more immature than them.[/quote]

LOL...don't worry about my future kids, worry about those uninformed rugrats you're brining up. With you at the helm they have no chance....makes you wonder why the world is so cruel.

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[quote=Mattyk;708937]Just saying your thinking isn't based on reality. Sex ed is being forced on young kids, really? A lot of schools don't even have sex ed to begin with and if they do they aren't teaching it to elementary kids.
[/quote]

Talk about someone in the Dark Ages. 20 years ago, I had it in 7th and 8th grade.

Now they ARE beginning as young as Kindergarten in some school districts. They're also teaching homosexuality.

A local middle school had a "Gay Day of Silence" where no one was allowed to talk outside of answering teachers' questions in class, so they can "understand and empathize" with homosexual students who are "forced to hide". A kid who chose not to participate by simply talking at lunch time was SUSPENDED for a few days. The irate mother called into the local news radio station. Apparently, this was a nationally-organized event.

We saw kids get suspended on Cinco de Mayo for weaing an American flag shirt and not pretending to be Mexican for the day.

If you can't see the public school has an agenda, I feel sorry for someone so blind/naive/worse.

I'm not sure where you're finding schools that do not teach it, especially in New York.

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[quote=Buster;708939]Talk about someone in the Dark Ages. 20 years ago, I had it in 7th and 8th grade.

Now they ARE beginning as young as Kindergarten in some school districts. They're also teaching homosexuality.

I'm not sure where you're finding schools that do not teach it, especially in New York.[/quote]

[url=http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_sexEd2006.html]Facts on Sex Education in the United States[/url]

[B]Sex Education: Teens’ Perspectives[/B]

• By 2002, one-third of teens had not received any formal instruction about contraception.[[URL="http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_sexEd2006.html#9"][COLOR=#800080]9[/COLOR][/URL]]
• More than one in five adolescents (21% of females and 24% of males) received abstinence education without receiving instruction about birth control in 2002, compared with 8–9% in 1995.[[URL="http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_sexEd2006.html#10"][COLOR=#800080]10[/COLOR][/URL]]
• In 2002, only 62% of sexually experienced female teens had received instruction about contraception before they first had sex, compared with 72% in 1995.[[URL="http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_sexEd2006.html#11"][COLOR=#800080]11[/COLOR][/URL]]
• Only one out of three sexually experienced black males and fewer than half of sexually experienced black females had received instruction about contraception before the first time they had sex.[[URL="http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_sexEd2006.html#12"][COLOR=#800080]12[/COLOR][/URL]]
• One-quarter of sexually experienced teens had not received instruction about abstinence before first sex.[[URL="http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_sexEd2006.html#13"][COLOR=#800080]13[/COLOR][/URL]]

[B]Sex Education: Teachers’ Perspectives[/B]

• Sex education teachers were more likely to focus on abstinence and less likely to provide students with information on birth control, how to obtain contraceptive services, sexual orientation and abortion in 1999 than they were in 1988.[[URL="http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_sexEd2006.html#14"][COLOR=#800080]14[/COLOR][/URL]]
• In 1999, one in four sex education teachers taught abstinence as the only way to prevent pregnancy and STIs—a huge increase from 1988, when the fraction was just one in 50.[[URL="http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_sexEd2006.html#15"][COLOR=#800080]15[/COLOR][/URL]]
• The majority of teachers believe that topics such as birth control methods and how to obtain them, the correct way to use a condom, sexual orientation, and factual and ethical information about abortion should also be taught by the end of the 12th grade. These topics are currently being taught less often and later than teachers think they should be.[[URL="http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_sexEd2006.html#16"][COLOR=#800080]16[/COLOR][/URL]]
• More than nine in 10 teachers believe that students should be taught about contraception, but one in four are prohibited from doing so.[[URL="http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_sexEd2006.html#17"][COLOR=#800080]17[/COLOR][/URL]]
• One in five teachers believe that restrictions on sex education are preventing them from meeting their students’ needs.[[URL="http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_sexEd2006.html#18"][COLOR=#800080]18[/COLOR][/URL]]
• Eighty-two percent of adults support comprehensive sex education that teaches students about both abstinence and other methods of preventing pregnancy and STIs.[[URL="http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_sexEd2006.html#19"][COLOR=#800080]19[/COLOR][/URL]]
• Only one-third of adults surveyed support abstinence-only education, while half oppose the abstinence-only approach.[[URL="http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_sexEd2006.html#20"][COLOR=#800080]20[/COLOR][/URL]]

[B]Sex Education Policy[/B]

• Currently, 35 states mandate either sex education or education about HIV/AIDS and other STIs, but their laws tend to be very general. Policies specifying the content of sex education are typically set at the local level.[[URL="http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_sexEd2006.html#21"][COLOR=#800080]21[/COLOR][/URL]]
• More than two out of three public school districts have a policy to teach sex education. The remaining one-third of districts leave policy decisions up to individual schools or teachers.[[URL="http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_sexEd2006.html#22"][COLOR=#800080]22[/COLOR][/URL]]
• Eighty-six percent of the public school districts that have a policy to teach sex education require that abstinence be promoted. Some 35% require abstinence to be taught as the only option for unmarried people and either prohibit the discussion of contraception altogether or limit discussion to its ineffectiveness. The other 51% have a policy to teach abstinence as the preferred option for teens and permit discussion of contraception as an effective means of preventing pregnancy and STIs.[[URL="http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_sexEd2006.html#23"][COLOR=#800080]23[/COLOR][/URL]]
• More than half of the districts in the South with a policy to teach sex education have an abstinence-only policy, compared with one in five of such districts in the Northeast.[[URL="http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_sexEd2006.html#24"][COLOR=#800080]24[/COLOR][/URL]]
[B]Government Support of Abstinence-Only Education[/B]

• There are three federal programs dedicated to funding restrictive abstinence-only education: Section 510 of the Social Security Act, the Adolescent Family Life Act’s teen pregnancy prevention component and Community-Based Abstinence Education (CBAE). The total funding for these programs is $176 million for FY 2006.[[URL="http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_sexEd2006.html#25"][COLOR=#800080]25[/COLOR][/URL]]
• Federal law establishes a stringent eight-point definition of “abstinence-only education” that requires programs to teach that sexual activity outside of marriage is wrong and harmful—for people of any age. The law also prohibits programs from advocating contraceptive use or discussing contraceptive methods except to emphasize their failure rates.[[URL="http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_sexEd2006.html#26"][COLOR=#800080]26[/COLOR][/URL]]
• Federal guidelines now define sexual activity to include any behavior between two people that may be sexually stimulating, which could be interpreted as including even kissing or hand-holding.[[URL="http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_sexEd2006.html#27"][COLOR=#800080]27[/COLOR][/URL]]
• New federal restrictions have been expanded to target adolescents and young adults between the ages of 12 and 29.[[URL="http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_sexEd2006.html#28"][COLOR=#800080]28[/COLOR][/URL]]
• There is currently no federal program dedicated to supporting comprehensive sex education that teaches young people about both abstinence and contraception.[[URL="http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_sexEd2006.html#29"][COLOR=#800080]29[/COLOR][/URL]]
• Despite years of evaluation in this area, there is no evidence to date that abstinence-only education delays teen sexual activity. Moreover, recent research shows that abstinence-only strategies may deter contraceptive use among sexually active teens, increasing their risk of unintended pregnancy and STIs.[[URL="http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_sexEd2006.html#30"][COLOR=#800080]30[/COLOR][/URL]]
• Evidence shows that comprehensive sex education programs that provide information about both abstinence and contraception can help delay the onset of sexual activity among teens, reduce their number of sexual partners and increase contraceptive use when they become sexually active. These findings were underscored in “Call to Action to Promote Sexual Health and Responsible Sexual Behavior,” issued by former Surgeon General David Satcher in June 2001.[[URL="http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_sexEd2006.html#31"][COLOR=#800080]31[/COLOR][/URL]]

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[quote=Buster;708931]It is when concerned parents have to battle liberals in the education system who want to expose kids to homosexuality and any religion OTHER than Christianity, it's nearly impossible.[/quote]

Schools are for learning. Homosexuality and religions other than Christianity are truths. If you really do support teaching the truth -- and not brainwashing -- then it seems to me that you would support teaching [I]any[/I] truth. Apparently not. You look to be exactly what you are preaching against.

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Doggy, you can always borrow the creationists parents playbook...you know, tell them the birds and the bees story taught in school is not true.

Penis and Vagina...disgusting.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;708944]Schools are for learning. Homosexuality and religions other than Christianity are truths. If you really do support teaching the truth -- and not brainwashing -- then it seems to me that you would support teaching [I]any[/I] truth. Apparently not. You look to be exactly what you are preaching against.[/quote]

So then why can't we teach BOTH Christianity and Islam? Creationism and Evolution side by side?

Why not teach everything and let the students form their own informed decisions?

This is NOT happening...certain principles are being silenced, by curricula and lawsuits, while others are being actively pushed. Revisionist history is alive and well.

I'd prefer if schools taught everything...more rather than less...BUT this is not happening, they're trying to shape students' opinions to agree with them rather than being a place of free learning and informed decisions.

You can't really disagree with that.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;708944]Schools are for learning. Homosexuality and religions other than Christianity are truths. If you really do support teaching the truth -- and not brainwashing -- then it seems to me that you would support teaching [I]any[/I] truth. Apparently not. You look to be exactly what you are preaching against.[/quote]

This.

Definitely.

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[quote=saden1;708918]The schools job is not to monitor your kid's sexual activity...I don't think that's in their mandate. You should be grateful they're providing services that insures your kid doesn't catch AIDS. If your kid takes a free condom they're not giving it to them. It's all on you! Always![/quote]
Exactly , the schools SHOULD NOT be monitoring , or" encouraging" sexual activity ... the school should not be undermining the parents . By giving the kids condoms , the school is monitoring , interfering with parenting . So , if a teacher gave a kid a bottle of seagrams to a student , but provided a seatbelt and buckled it for him before he drove on one of our public roads , we should be greatful for " service provided " ? We are talking about 6 year olds , if the school gives a 6 year old a condom , they are now the problem , just as a school giving a kid alcohol , cocaine or a loaded gun . Just curious to those who think the schools should be giving condoms to six year olds . If a 6 year old was getting bullied everyday , would you be ok with the school giving the kid a gun to protect himself ??

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[quote=budw38;708948]Exactly , the schools SHOULD NOT be monitoring , or" encouraging" sexual activity ... [B]the school should not be undermining the parents . By giving the kids condoms , the school is monitoring , interfering with parenting [/B]. So , if a teacher gave a kid a bottle of seagrams to a student , but provided a seatbelt and buckled it for him before he drove on one of our public roads , we should be greatful for " service provided " ? We are talking about 6 year olds , if the school gives a 6 year old a condom , they are now the problem , just as a school giving a kid alcohol , cocaine or a loaded gun . Just curious to those who think the schools should be giving condoms to six year olds . If a 6 year old was getting bullied everyday , would you be ok with the school giving the kid a gun to protect himself ??[/quote]

Nice to see a voice of reason here. Hit the nail on the head. However, I'm not sure you're in as much agreement with Saden as your "exactly" statement would indicate...he seems to be open to handing kids condoms with their boxes of jumbo crayons and juice boxes.

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Here is a question that begs to be asked in relation to the argument.

[I][B]Can you even physical have sex in first grade? I don't think all the parts work. [/B][/I]

With my son we just say the proper names for all his parts, a hand is hand, a foot is a foot, a penis is a penis not a pee pee or some other silly name. He is two and he knows me and him have a penis and his mom has a vagina.

Lot of this kids are having sex becasue it is so taboo or mysterious. I rather my son know the facts and the consequences of sex rather then sweep it under the rug and tell him Jesus says you should not do that it is taboo.

Is it so horrible a 1st grader understands how babies are made? I guess I rather teach my son at appropriate levels in his life about sex rather then him figuring it out from a Hustler he stole and/or playing with Mary across the street.

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[quote=mredskins;708951]Here is a question that begs to be asked in relation to the argument.

[I][B]Can you even physical have sex in first grade? I don't think all the parts work. [/B][/I]

With my son we just say the proper names for all his parts, a hand is hand, a foot is a foot, a penis is a penis not a pee pee or some other silly name. He is two and he knows me and him have a penis and his mom has a vagina.

Lot of this kids are having sex becasue it is so taboo or mysterious. I rather my son know the facts and the consequences of sex rather then sweep it under the rug and tell him Jesus says you should not do that it is taboo.

[B]Is it so horrible a 1st grader understands how babies are made? [/B]I guess I rather teach my son at appropriate levels in his life about sex rather then him figuring it out from a Hustler he stole and/or playing with Mary across the street.[/quote]

Absolutely not...but instructions and encouragement to try it should not be in their lives.

Knowing how Mommy and Daddy made their baby sister is a far cry from getting an "insert Tab A into Slot B" sheet and a free condom to further engage the curiosity.

Some lessons are best left to parents to teach. Religion, sex and politics are among them.

Let the schools teach math, English and how to play kickball.

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[quote=Buster;708931]It is when concerned parents have to battle liberals in the education system who want to expose kids to homosexuality and any religion OTHER than Christianity, it's nearly impossible.

It's no shock that t-shirts of a horrible human being [B]Che Guevera are so popular with teens these days, they're not being taught who he really was. He's being built up as some hero in the warped version of history being taught in an attempt to get the kids on "their" side[/B].[/quote]

Dude Matty said step out of the 1950's...Viva La Revolucion!!!

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[quote=Mattyk;708930]You're in the dark ages bro. Seriously. This is 2010 not 1950.[/quote]

What a shit arguement. Maybe we need to head back to the 50's and the morals that people had back then because the way things are going now don't seem to work all that great. The more and more we have this free thinking that everything is good and ok the more our society goes to shit.

I'm sorry I started this thread today because I'm heading to Nags Head today and leaving right now as my wife and daughter just walked into my office. You guys should not attack each other personaly.

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[quote=firstdown;708960]What a shit arguement. Maybe we need to head back to the 50's and the morals that people had back then because the way things are going now don't seem to work all that great. The more and more we have this free thinking that everything is good and ok the more our society goes to shit.

I'm sorry I started this thread today because I'm heading to Nags Head today and leaving right now as my wife and daughter just walked into my office. You guys should not attack each other personaly.[/quote]

As long as Saden has an active password, personal attacks will fly...you should have known that. :D

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[quote=budw38;708948]Exactly , the schools SHOULD NOT be monitoring , or" encouraging" sexual activity ... the school should not be undermining the parents . By giving the kids condoms , the school is monitoring , interfering with parenting . So , if a teacher gave a kid a bottle of seagrams to a student , but provided a seatbelt and buckled it for him before he drove on one of our public roads , we should be greatful for " service provided " ? We are talking about 6 year olds , if the school gives a 6 year old a condom , they are now the problem , just as a school giving a kid alcohol , cocaine or a loaded gun . Just curious to those who think the schools should be giving condoms to six year olds . If a 6 year old was getting bullied everyday , would you be ok with the school giving the kid a gun to protect himself ??[/quote]

I don't think encouraging is the right word...the school is there to interfere alright, to your benefit not detriment. Intent of the school was to give to all students...it's fine.

I don't know how we went from condoms to guns...maybe you were thinking "how I would feel about the school giving out guns to kids?"

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Meanwhile the Chinese are pumping out engineers like hot cakes at a fraction of the cost.

I don't know about y'all, but I learned what it was all about working on farms as a kid. I mean you see animals screw all day long? No big deal. Maybe they should just take a field trip to a farm? It would be much cheaper and they could say, "Hey we're just trying to educate the children about the Planet". Problem solved.

Why is it the business of schools to give kids rubbers? It's not their job to protect children from STDs. Here's an idea, segregate the sexes at school, and they'll not screw.

I'd dig ditches before I'd send me kid to a public school.

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[quote=firstdown;708960]What a shit arguement. Maybe we need to head back to the 50's and the morals that people had back then because the way things are going now don't seem to work all that great. The more and more we have this free thinking that everything is good and ok the more our society goes to shit.

I'm sorry I started this thread today because I'm heading to Nags Head today and leaving right now as my wife and daughter just walked into my office. You guys should not attack each other personaly.[/quote]

lol you knew the shitstorm you were creating. You started off with your typical attack on liberals.

Perhaps my take on the 50s isn't accurate. Things weren't all that much different in the 50s. People were just better at keeping things private.

I should have referred to the stone ages. You and buster can probably relate better to that time. ;)