Report: Redskins are pursuing Vincent Jackson
 

I just heard on ESPN Radio (Dallas) That the Skins are heavily targeting Jackson... Any Legit info?? Help us out SS lol

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PFT has just posted it also.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/06/29/report-redskins-interested-in-vincent-jackson/]Report: Redskins interested in Vincent Jackson | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

I wonder what we would have to give up for Jackson?

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It's okay everyone, this time it will be different. A WR who is a hold out, will come to Washington, get paid and still care about winning.

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I think we'd have to give up quite a lot to get the Chargers to part with this guy. The Chargers hold all the negotiating leverage with Jackson since he's currently a restricted free agent. They know that as long as they retain his rights, they can pretty much force him to play this year for the tender amount.

So for them to want to give up such a playmaking WR who they'll be able to keep for a low salary... you're talking a lot of compensation to tear him away from them.

Think about their receiving options, too. Behind Jackson they have a promising young guy in Malcolm Floyd, but I think moving him would leave them without adequate WR talent. That's not something you'd like to do when your offense is already carrying you to the playoffs.

I'm thinking this won't get done because Allen and Shanahan will balk at the what's sure-to-be-high asking price. But if I'm wrong and we can wrangle him loose for a low price, by all means go for it. Just don't pull a Vinny and give up a 1st.

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I'd be salivating if we could get him here. But I'm in line with Schneed's line of thinking in the above post. I wouldn't want him if the asking price was too big either.

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I'm already daydreaming of McNabb bombing it away to Jackson

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[quote=Mattyk;709677]I'm already daydreaming of McNabb bombing it away to Jackson[/quote]


Can you Imagine Jackson, Thomas, Moss, Cooley and Davis.

Now that would make us a SB contender REAL FAST!

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[quote=drew54;709673]It's okay everyone, this time it will be different. A WR who is a hold out, will come to Washington, get paid and still care about winning.[/quote]

Especially if they put in escalators in his contract. Brandon Marshalls contract might be worth a lot but he'll net very little if he doesn't-

A) Behave himself

and

B) Perform on the field

Personally I'd be all for a contract like that. I will admit that it's a scary proposition adding a 17.2 ypc receiver to an offense with a Pro-Bowl QB (who now has a line to protect him) but we have to pace ourselves. Theres a good chance this deal won't go through.


[quote=skinsfaninok;709678]Can you Imagine Jackson, Thomas, Moss, Cooley and Davis.

Now that would make us a SB contender REAL FAST![/quote]

NOOOO!! Stay away from the list. The list is dangerous, the list is bad luck. Lion fans had a list earlier this decade that went "WHOA!!! Rogers, Williams, Williams, Pollard, Harrington!!"

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[quote=Dirtbag359;709680]Especially if they put in escalators in his contract. Brandon Marshalls contract might be worth a lot but he'll net very little if he doesn't-

A) Behave himself

and

B) Perform on the field

Personally I'd be all for a contract like that. I will admit that it's a scary proposition adding a 17.2 ypc receiver to an offense with a Pro-Bowl QB (who now has a line to protect him) but we have to pace ourselves. Theres a good chance this deal won't go through.[/quote]

Good point Dirtbag.. What would be the asking price anyway? Some say Haynesworth, but when I first heard the story on ESPN radio, they were saying SD won't trade for AH.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;709681]Good point Dirtbag.. What would be the asking price anyway? Some say Haynesworth, but when I first heard the story on ESPN radio, they were saying SD won't trade for AH.[/quote]

No way San Diego accepts a straight up trade for Haynesworth seeing as they are a dedicated 3-4 team. You might be looking at a second round pick but knowing Allen we would get back something like a 5th or 6th round pick.

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Shit I have mixed feelings about this. We need this guy for sure, but San Diego is going to want multiple first rounders for this guy unless we can get a straight up trade and give them Haynesworth.

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This just doesn't show much confidence in the talent we already have. I'd be shocked if we could trade for Jackson without giving up a 1st and some. Would SD want one of our RBs or WRs?

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Keep in mind that Jackson most likely has a suspension coming up from multiple DUI's.

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What this also means is that Shanny and the FO have little confidence in our young Wr corp.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;709682]No way San Diego accepts a straight up trade for Haynesworth seeing as they are a dedicated 3-4 team. You might be looking at a second round pick but knowing Allen we would get back something like a 5th or 6th round pick.[/quote]


No way Big D. Jackson is at least one first rounder for SD to part ways with him.

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I personally wouldn't go for the trade if I was Allen. You need to keep your first rounders to build for the long term. Jackson is definitely an upgrade to our WR corp. Our newbies must not be cutting the mustard.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;709687]No way Big D. Jackson is at least one first rounder for SD to part ways with him.[/quote]

What do you think Denver fans were saying about Brandon Marshall? Basically we have a a disgruntled Wide Reciever that wants a new contract with a looming suspension. This doesn't scream first rounder to me. Most likely it'll take a third round to get him off San Diego's hands. Now if only someone wanted to trade Haynesworth for a third rounder.

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Its a tough deal either way. I think he's worth a 2nd or 3rd but do we even have a 2nd next yr? I would love a player for player trade a little better

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2 things:
1. i want him on the B&G, but not for a 1st, which i think SD will demand
2. this really speaks to what shanny thinks of our current wr core.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;709691]Its a tough deal either way. I think he's worth a 2nd or 3rd but [B]do we even have a 2nd next yr[/B]? I would love a player for player trade a little better[/quote]

Yes we have a second round pick next year. Hope we keep it!

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[quote=Mattyk;709677]I'm already daydreaming of McNabb bombing it away to Jackson[/quote]

Oh so now you want Jackson but you didn't want Brandon Marshall???

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Jackson is def an upgrade over anything we currently have. I say make the deal if it isn't too costly.

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[quote=skinsfan69;709698]Oh so now you want Jackson but you didn't want Brandon Marshall???[/quote]

Is Jackson the head case that Marshall is?

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I think mentioning the Skins is just to support a high asking price.
They probably are asking for a first and willing to take a 2nd and a 4th or equivalent.

I really don't know what San Diego is lacking...all I know is Haynesworth is an obvious trade scenario from the skins standpoint...and perhaps Malcolm Kelly to replace him....and Rocky has been mentioned in trade scenarios.

I personally think a 3 for 1 deal would be too much...but if we could retain Rocky, I'd be thrilled.

Question: What is San Diego's most glaring need?

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[quote=Dirtbag359;709689]What do you think Denver fans were saying about Brandon Marshall? Basically we have a a disgruntled Wide Reciever that wants a new contract with a looming suspension. This doesn't scream first rounder to me. Most likely it'll take a third round to get him off San Diego's hands. Now if only someone wanted to trade Haynesworth for a third rounder.[/quote]


I don't think Vincent is disgruntled like Marshall, just has a booze problem and I do think SD will ask for a first rounder for him or at least in the beginning. Jackson is a top WR in the league, so I think SD could still expect a first rounder. A 3rd rounder is more apt to be a bust.

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If we make a trade it will be between the 3rd-5th of July based on the fact Easter D. McNabb the day before Father's day Jammal Brown, someone else is coming soon.

HTTR.

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[quote=Mattyk;709702]Is Jackson the head case that Marshall is?[/quote]


Never heard anything in the media to give me that impression. DUIs means he likes to party too much.

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I would think SD's biggest need is at WR if they trade VJ. PFT just posted that shanny is really high on Jackson If that means anything. If a trade were to happen, I would think it could be done by the weekend. Apparently Seattle is really chasing him also

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what picks do we have available next yr?
I know we are missing our 3rd and 4th.

And San Diego must have other top needs besides WR.

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[quote=Mattyk;709702]Is Jackson the head case that Marshall is?[/quote]


Jackson has had some off field issues. Marshall is the better player and had history with Shanahan so this doesn't make sense. Why not try and get the better player who has history with the head coach?

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Actually Jackson is on his way out in SD according to local fans.

Team is tired of him.

I don't want him. He is a punk!

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[quote=skinsfan69;709710]Jackson has had some off field issues. Marshall is the better player and had history with Shanahan so this doesn't make sense. Why not try and get the better player who has history with the head coach?[/quote]

Perhaps the price was too high for Shanahan's liking with Marshall?

VJ is a heck of a WR, I'm not sure the drop off is very significant. He's led the league in avg YPC the past couple of seasons.

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SD fans want Vincent gone? He can't be anything as sistracting as Marshall was or TO. The guy still produces. DUIs are no laughing matter, but I haven't heard of him being a loudmouth, etc.

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I dont know their team but I think they need D line, RT, CB, ILB, RB help.
If that is true, Haynesworth, Carter, Rodgers, McIntosh are folks we could part with
Although Haynesworth doesn't want a 3-4, Carter doesn't fit, and we likely need Rodgers, unless Buchannan is a starter (doubtful)....that leaves McIntosh....I think they also need a RB....so that would be parker or Larry Johnson.

Out of that Group...if I were San Diego, I'd want McIntosh, Rodgers, Clinton Portis, Larry Johnson, Devin Thomas and Haynesworth, only if I could talk to him to see if he really doesn't want a 3-4 vs getting out of DC.

I can see McIntosh, Devin Thomas for Jackson.

Tell me if I am wrong on their needs...cause I am just fishing at this point

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Do not trade for him please!
We can't keep giving away all of our picks for players. This is the same shit we have been doing for the last 10 years. Why haven't you people learned yet. We are going to have to give up at least a first round pick, or two 2nds like the Marshall trade, he wants at least as much money as Marshall, and he is nowhere near as good as Marshall. He is not even the number one target on the Chargers, Antonio Gates is. His best year was last year and he only had 68 catches.

We are not one player away from the Super Bowl like some of you people think for some reason. We need to start getting younger by getting 22 year old rookies, not guys that are almost 30 looking for a big pay day. The only way to build a Super Bowl team is over many years through the draft.

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Sure he "only" had 68 catches last year, but let's not overlook the fact that Gates has always been Rivers' favorite target, he had 79 catches last year. And then Floyd and Sproles each had 45. San Diego spreads it around.

Bottom line is Jackson stretches the field. He averaged 17.2 per catch last year and 18.6 the year before. Oh and add in 16 TD catches the last 2 years.

He's huge, 6'5 230, and in his prime at 27.

I would have zero issues if the Skins go after him. Will it happen? Who knows, seems that the price would be steep. But the Skins would be dumb to not at least explore the option.

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[quote=skinsnut;709716]I dont know their team but I think they need D line, RT, CB, ILB, RB help.
If that is true, Haynesworth, Carter, Rodgers, McIntosh are folks we could part with
Although Haynesworth doesn't want a 3-4, Carter doesn't fit, and we likely need Rodgers, unless Buchannan is a starter (doubtful)....that leaves McIntosh....I think they also need a RB....so that would be parker or Larry Johnson.

Out of that Group...if I were San Diego, I'd want McIntosh, Rodgers, Clinton Portis, Larry Johnson, Devin Thomas and Haynesworth, only if I could talk to him to see if he really doesn't want a 3-4 vs getting out of DC.

I can see McIntosh, Devin Thomas for Jackson.

Tell me if I am wrong on their needs...cause I am just fishing at this point[/quote]

I think they're ok at RB. They drafted Mathews and they still have Sproles as the change of pace.

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[quote=steveo395;709718]Do not trade for him please!
We can't keep giving away all of our picks for players. This is the same shit we have been doing for the last 10 years. Why haven't you people learned yet. We are going to have to give up at least a first round pick, or two 2nds like the Marshall trade, he wants at least as much money as Marshall, and he is nowhere near as good as Marshall. He is not even the number one target on the Chargers, Antonio Gates is. His best year was last year and he only had 68 catches.

We are not one player away from the Super Bowl like some of you people think for some reason. We need to start getting younger by getting 22 year old rookies, not guys that are almost 30 looking for a big pay day. The only way to build a Super Bowl team is over many years through the draft.[/quote]

hey read this nuff said

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Do I like Vincent Jackson? Yes
Do I want him on the Redskins? Yes
Would I trade a second round pick or two, and/or Santana Moss, and/or Malcolm Kelly for him? Yes

Would I trade a first or Devin Thomas for him? No

so there figure something out Shanahan and Bruce Allen

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If we're gonna trade anything for VJ, I hope it's players and not picks. I'm sooooo tired of shipping off draft picks. Plus Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas have been playing in a shitshow offense their first two years. Let's lean on them, Moss, and our two stud tight ends and see what happens with a pro-bowl qb that actually has a line for some protection. This reeks of a "player away" type of deal. That club isn't in our bag. At least it shouldn't be.