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firstdown 07-12-2010 11:00 AM

Drowning Doesn’t Look Like Drowning (A Must Read)
 
Its summer and most here will spend some time on or around some form of water so lets know what a drowning victim really looks like.


[B]Drowning Doesn’t Look Like Drowning[/B]

[B][IMG]http://mariovittone.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/drowning.jpg[/IMG][/B]

The new captain jumped from the cockpit, fully dressed, and sprinted through the water. A former lifeguard, he kept his eyes on his victim as he headed straight for the owners who were swimming between their anchored sportfisher and the beach. “I think he thinks you’re drowning,” the husband said to his wife. They had been splashing each other and she had screamed but now they were just standing, neck-deep on the sand bar. “We’re fine, what is he doing?” she asked, a little annoyed. “We’re fine!” the husband yelled, waving him off, but his captain kept swimming hard. ”Move!” he barked as he sprinted between the stunned owners. Directly behind them, not ten feet away, their nine-year-old daughter was drowning. Safely above the surface in the arms of the captain, she burst into tears, “Daddy!”

How did this captain know – from fifty feet away – what the father couldn’t recognize from just ten? Drowning is not the violent, splashing, call for help that most people expect. The captain was trained to recognize drowning by experts and years of experience. The father, on the other hand, had learned what drowning looks like by watching television. If you spend time on or near the water (hint: that’s all of us) then you should make sure that you and your crew knows what to look for whenever people enter the water. Until she cried a tearful, “Daddy,” she hadn’t made a sound. As a former Coast Guard rescue swimmer, I wasn’t surprised at all by this story. Drowning is almost always a deceptively quiet event. The waving, splashing, and yelling that dramatic conditioning (television) prepares us to look for, is rarely seen in real life.

The Instinctive Drowning Response – so named by Francesco A. Pia, Ph.D., is what people do to avoid actual or perceived suffocation in the water. And it does not look like most people expect. There is very little splashing, no waving, and no yelling or calls for help of any kind. To get an idea of just how quiet and undramatic from the surface drowning can be, consider this: It is the number two cause of accidental death in children, age 15 and under (just behind vehicle accidents) – of the approximately 750 children who will drown next year, about 375 of them will do so within 25 yards of a parent or other adult. In ten percent of those drownings, the adult will actually watch them do it, having no idea it is happening (source: CDC). Drowning does not look like drowning – Dr. Pia, in an article in the Coast Guard’s On Scene Magazine, described the instinctive drowning response like this:

1. Except in rare circumstances, drowning people are physiologically unable to call out for help. The respiratory system was designed for breathing. Speech is the secondary or overlaid function. Breathing must be fulfilled, before speech occurs.
2. Drowning people’s mouths alternately sink below and reappear above the surface of the water. The mouths of drowning people are not above the surface of the water long enough for them to exhale, inhale, and call out for help. When the drowning people’s mouths are above the surface, they exhale and inhale quickly as their mouths start to sink below the surface of the water.
3. Drowning people cannot wave for help. Nature instinctively forces them to extend their arms laterally and press down on the water’s surface. Pressing down on the surface of the water, permits drowning people to leverage their bodies so they can lift their mouths out of the water to breathe.
4. Throughout the Instinctive Drowning Response, drowning people cannot voluntarily control their arm movements. Physiologically, drowning people who are struggling on the surface of the water cannot stop drowning and perform voluntary movements such as waving for help, moving toward a rescuer, or reaching out for a piece of rescue equipment.
5. From beginning to end of the Instinctive Drowning Response people’s bodies remain upright in the water, with no evidence of a supporting kick. Unless rescued by a trained lifeguard, these drowning people can only struggle on the surface of the water from 20 to 60 seconds before submersion occurs.

(Source: On Scene Magazine: Fall 2006)

This doesn’t mean that a person that is yelling for help and thrashing isn’t in real trouble – they are experiencing aquatic distress. Not always present before the instinctive drowning response, aquatic distress doesn’t last long – but unlike true drowning, these victims can still assist in their own rescue. They can grab lifelines, throw rings, etc.

Look for these other signs of drowning when persons are n the water:

* Head low in the water, mouth at water level
* Head tilted back with mouth open
* Eyes glassy and empty, unable to focus
* Eyes closed
* Hair over forehead or eyes
* Not using legs – Vertical
* Hyperventilating or gasping
* Trying to swim in a particular direction but not making headway
* Trying to roll over on the back
* Ladder climb, rarely out of the water.

So if a crew member falls overboard and every looks O.K. – don’t be too sure. Sometimes the most common indication that someone is drowning is that they don’t look like they’re drowning. They may just look like they are treading water and looking up at the deck. One way to be sure? Ask them: “Are you alright?” If they can answer at all – they probably are. If they return a blank stare – you may have less than 30 seconds to get to them. And parents: children playing in the water make noise. When they get quiet, you get to them and find out why.

JoeRedskin 07-12-2010 11:21 AM

Re: Drowning Doesn’t Look Like Drowning (A Must Read)
 
Excellent article FD. Just had this experience with my son yesterday - he exhibited all of those "non-TV" symptoms. He is very new to swimming and has a phobia about water. He tried to get to me in water that was slightly over his head, slipped and started to panic. I was only two feet away and got him so it was no big deal - His heart was going a mile a minute though.

Honestly, I didn't recognize his actions as this "Instinctive Drowning Response" until reading the article, but it describes exactly what he was doing - Head low in the water; mouth at water level; head tilted back with mouth open; eyes glassy and empty; unable to focus; hyperventilating or gasping; and trying to swim in a particular direction but not making headway.

Excellent article and damn helpful. Absolutely one of the most useful things I have ever read on Warpath.

Thank you.

Hog1 07-12-2010 11:29 AM

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I read it twice sooo....hopefully I will remember it. I spend a lot of time around the water and I will keep my eyes open for this stuff

firstdown 07-12-2010 11:42 AM

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[quote=JoeRedskin;711938]Excellent article FD. Just had this experience with my son yesterday - he exhibited all of those "non-TV" symptoms. He is very new to swimming and has a phobia about water. He tried to get to me in water that was slightly over his head, slipped and started to panic. I was only two feet away and got him so it was no big deal - His heart was going a mile a minute though.

Honestly, I didn't recognize his actions as this "Instinctive Drowning Response" until reading the article, but it describes exactly what he was doing - Head low in the water; mouth at water level; head tilted back with mouth open; eyes glassy and empty; unable to focus; hyperventilating or gasping; and trying to swim in a particular direction but not making headway.

Excellent article and damn helpful. Absolutely one of the most useful things I have ever read on Warpath.

Thank you.[/quote]

I'm 45 and have lived on or around the water sense I was 5 and in 40 yrs. I had never heard or read anything like this on drowning. I have also printed it off so I can give it to people I know who spend time on the water and will also pin this up at our cottage in Nags Head.

CRedskinsRule 07-12-2010 11:48 AM

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Thank you FD

SmootSmack 07-12-2010 12:26 PM

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Wow, what a powerful read. Nice thread

JoeRedskin 07-12-2010 12:43 PM

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Do you have the link to the article? This is one of those things that should forwarded to just about everyone.

CRedskinsRule 07-12-2010 01:10 PM

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Here's one I found to it:

[url=http://mariovittone.com/2010/05/154/]Drowning Doesn’t Look Like Drowning[/url]

Schneed10 07-12-2010 01:12 PM

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I was a lifeguard in the summers of my college days, and this rings a bell from all those training sessions we had. I only had to jump in the pool one time in my three summers of lifeguarding, but I remember it was for a four year old boy who wasn't quite ready to use the diving board. He started swimming to the side just fine, but then his feet dropped from the surface and he went vertical. He was stationary, with his hands moving in a very fast doggie paddle motion. I was watching him closely thinking he would get himself going again, but then he looked up at me with a very panicked look in his eye, and that's when I went in.

It was very much like the article described. He was completely quiet, and to anyone on the surface of the water, he probably looked like he was just treading. But from the chair you could see how fast he was moving his limbs under water.

Pulled him out and he was fine, but ran over crying to his mom. Very good description from this article, in fact I just sent it to my buddies who run that pool now. I'm sure they'll share it with their lifeguards. Thanks for sharing FD.

firstdown 07-12-2010 02:27 PM

Re: Drowning Doesn’t Look Like Drowning (A Must Read)
 
[quote=CRedskinsRule;711953]Here's one I found to it:

[URL="http://mariovittone.com/2010/05/154/"]Drowning Doesn’t Look Like Drowning[/URL][/quote]

Thats the same one I found.

tryfuhl 07-12-2010 10:02 PM

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wow.. this should be common knowledge but it isn't. .. thanks for posting... I've had this happen to me in a lake after a mean belly flop from a 3m board on my first ba kflip attempt when i was 9 or so...and got no response from the guard.. I was able to tread slightly but had the tilted head, lack of headway when paddling, etc

GMScud 07-12-2010 10:17 PM

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Thanks for that post FD. My wife was an all-American water polo player in high school, and she lifeguarded for years. She mentioned something similar to this to me one time a few years back when were watching a movie and there was a "hollywood" drowning scene. She said something along the lines of "most times you don't even know the person is actually drowning if you don't know what to look for."

I was somewhat aware of this, but not to this extent. Great info.

MTK 07-13-2010 08:10 AM

Re: Drowning Doesn’t Look Like Drowning (A Must Read)
 
I'm reminded of the wise old saying:

How do you save a man from drowning?

Take your foot off his head.

Or how about this one? (Didn't think we could make this political, eh?)

"So Obama, Pelosi and Reid are in a row boat, and it springs a leak and starts to sink. Who gets saved?"

Answer: "The American people."

firstdown 07-13-2010 09:10 AM

Re: Drowning Doesn’t Look Like Drowning (A Must Read)
 
[quote=Mattyk;712044]I'm reminded of the wise old saying:

How do you save a man from drowning?

Take your foot off his head.

Or how about this one? (Didn't think we could make this political, eh?)

"So Obama, Pelosi and Reid are in a row boat, and it springs a leak and starts to sink. Who gets saved?"

Answer: "The American people."[/quote]

So there is help for you after all.

MTK 07-13-2010 09:11 AM

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Not really, just repeating a bad joke from a repub.

724Skinsfan 07-13-2010 09:18 AM

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Posted the link on my Facebook page. A must-read for everyone who intends to be around the water, especially with kids.

budw38 07-13-2010 10:13 AM

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Nice find FD .

jamf 07-13-2010 11:26 AM

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Thank you for sharing!

GhettoDogAllStars 07-13-2010 11:48 AM

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Thanks for sharing, FD.

A few more tips I would add:
1.) Teach your kids to swim well from an early age
-- an ounce of prevention...

2.) Never leave children unattended near water
-- children can open doors, so don't think because the door is closed they are safe

3.) Learn CPR
-- if you can't take a class, then at least read a book about it

mooby 07-13-2010 04:46 PM

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Yeah definitely thanks for sharing FD. That is a very informative article and one that I'd recommend to every parent out there.

over the mountain 09-02-2010 01:04 PM

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[url=http://dcist.com/2010/08/dc_man_remains_missing_after_being.php]D.C. Man Remains Missing After Being Caught In Ocean City Riptide - DCist[/url]

[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/30/hurricane-earl-danielle-2010-atlantic_n_699836.html]Hurricane Riptides Roil Atlantic Coast: 1 Dead, 1 Missing[/url]

i was at OC the past 4 days, stayed at 30th st. my lady cannot swim all that well and is pretty much terrified of swimming.

but she was going in the water, up to the breakers and she was duck diving waves and what not the first couple days we were there.

so a few days ago, after drinkin all day, we decide to hop in the water. i get her to grab onto my shoulders and i carry/swim her out past the breakers. i can barely stand. shes holding onto my shoulders. i feel a powerful flow of energy pulling us out into the ocean. ive never felt that powerful of a pull before. this was probably 4-5pm ish. my alarm went off, i knew we were getting sucked out with her holding on like dead weight. so i hold her up and carried/swam her back to shallow ground the best i could. luckily a wave came through and i was able to ride it in alil bit.

in san diego i used to go swimming way out past the waves, go sling fishing, lobster diving so i feel like i have a good sense in the ocean, ive been in many gnarly situations before, id go swimming in 10 foot plus waves etc but man that rip tide was vicious.

the next day i hear that 4 people got sucked out right where we were at 30th street and they couldnt find one person. i dont know how we missed it, we were right there at about the same time. maybe we missed it by 30 mins tops.

when i was looking for an article on it i found some more articles about another guy dying in OC about the same time as well.

please dont go out past the breakers or when the lifeguards take off duty right now.

i dont know how people can die, if you get sucked out just stay afloat, swim sideways to teh shore and someone will save you but then i read about these young guys dying and im wondering whether the rip tide sucks you under as well as down? i dont see how an able bodied 20 something male cant stay afloat when his life depends on it? does rip tide suck you under?

firstdown 09-02-2010 01:24 PM

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I was in nags head this past weekend and the rip tide running down the beach was as strong as I can remember. By our cottage we have a drop off that about 5' deep then about 20' out there is a sand bar which at low tied is about knee deep. I would float in the drop off and drift about two blocks in just a few minutes. I never went out very far because of the rip current. I saw a few people getting sucked out and down the beach but when they hit the sand bar they could stand up.

JoeRedskin 09-02-2010 02:15 PM

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My experience with rip tides -

First, I am a pretty strong swimmer, have had lifeguard training (ages ago) and, while respectful of the ocean, have a comfort level with my ability to handle ocean swimming.

About 5 years ago, my wife and I are in Nagshead walking on the beach (no life guards). I see a guy waving his arms about a 100 feet out from shore (just past the breakers) and a woman pointing to him from shore. Myself and two other guys head out into the water. In about three strokes, we have caught up to the guy - HUGE riptide carrying us out to him. His wife/gf was in a little closer and one of the guys stayed with her while me and the last guy went on. We catch up to him and he is pretty calm sitting on his bogey board. Me and Other Guy start to swim cross wise to the current towing this guy on his board and just watch the beach moving away from us. Eventually, a beach patrol guy came out and gave us a hand (he had swim fins). It took us about an hour but we got the guy in.

The pull of the current out was incredible and fast. Actually, it was kind of fun (I told my wife that and she thought I was crazy. Not being a strong swimmer and frightened of the water, she was terrified I wasn't coming back).

Why so long if he had a board? [B]B/c he had no legs.[/B] No shit. Here is a guy w/ no legs swimming in the ocean on day of rip tide warnings. Nice enough guy. Dumb as a box of rocks.

If you are a competent swimmer and [B]!!don't panic!![/B] a rip tide is not going to kill you.

JoeRedskin 09-02-2010 02:20 PM

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[quote=over the mountain;726931] ... i dont know how people can die, if you get sucked out just stay afloat, swim sideways to teh shore and someone will save you but then [B]i read about these young guys dying and im wondering whether the rip tide sucks you under as well as down? i dont see how an able bodied 20 something male cant stay afloat when his life depends on it? does rip tide suck you under?[/B][/quote]

Most likely they don't know what to do in rips and try to fight it by swimming directly to shore. They may not be strong swimmers or, conversely, believe they are strong enough to swim through the current. Once they exhaust themselves, they may begin to panic.

Like the article at the top shows, it's the panicky swimmer that drowns. A rip [I]will[/I] kill you if you're exhausted and panicked.

mredskins 09-02-2010 03:25 PM

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I have been caught in rip tides before, most times I have just gone limp and let it drag me out. I can remember one where I felt like I was in true danger put end up getting spit out.

If they are really strong they will throw you around like a rag doll.

mredskins 09-02-2010 03:27 PM

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I remember seeing this at the beach this past summer. Honestly if you get in a strong enough one it will decide when you leave it or not.

[IMG]http://www.plettsurf.org.za/Assets/Image/page/rip-current-1.jpg[/IMG]

Monkeydad 09-02-2010 03:30 PM

Re: Drowning Doesn’t Look Like Drowning (A Must Read)
 
[quote=Mattyk;712044]I'm reminded of the wise old saying:

How do you save a man from drowning?

Take your foot off his head.

Or how about this one? (Didn't think we could make this political, eh?)

"So Obama, Pelosi and Reid are in a row boat, and it springs a leak and starts to sink. Who gets saved?"

Answer: "The American people."[/quote]
I've never been so proud of you.




Good read.

firstdown 09-02-2010 03:42 PM

Re: Drowning Doesn’t Look Like Drowning (A Must Read)
 
[quote=JoeRedskin;726974]My experience with rip tides -

First, I am a pretty strong swimmer, have had lifeguard training (ages ago) and, while respectful of the ocean, have a comfort level with my ability to handle ocean swimming.

About 5 years ago, my wife and I are in Nagshead walking on the beach (no life guards). I see a guy waving his arms about a 100 feet out from shore (just past the breakers) and a woman pointing to him from shore. Myself and two other guys head out into the water. In about three strokes, we have caught up to the guy - HUGE riptide carrying us out to him. His wife/gf was in a little closer and one of the guys stayed with her while me and the last guy went on. We catch up to him and he is pretty calm sitting on his bogey board. Me and Other Guy start to swim cross wise to the current towing this guy on his board and just watch the beach moving away from us. Eventually, a beach patrol guy came out and gave us a hand (he had swim fins). It took us about an hour but we got the guy in.

The pull of the current out was incredible and fast. Actually, it was kind of fun (I told my wife that and she thought I was crazy. Not being a strong swimmer and frightened of the water, she was terrified I wasn't coming back).

Why so long if he had a board? [B]B/c he had no legs.[/B] No shit. Here is a guy w/ no legs swimming in the ocean on day of rip tide warnings. Nice enough guy. Dumb as a box of rocks.

If you are a competent swimmer and [B]!!don't panic!![/B] a rip tide is not going to kill you.[/quote]

I'm like you and not too scared of the ocean but I do respect it and know when not to play with mother nature. When I surfed allot we would look for the rip currents and go out there because they would help pull you out. I have surfed on some days that was the only way to get out.


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