What if Ramsey isn't the man?
 

Ok, first of all I'd like to say that I think Ramsey is the man, but he may be too mistake prone and not mobile enough for Gibbs. The next few weeks will be critical to see if he stays here. I for one think and hope that he will be in DC for a long time. Unfortunately, I think it's important to explore other players.

I think a great QB for this team would be Quincy Carter. Hold on for one moment, put down your torches and pitchforks. When Parcells came in and gave Quincy some dicipline he reacted well and would stay at Cowboys park all night long. Sometimes later than Parcells. He worked on the playbook, studied film, etc. That is exactly what Gibbs looks for in a player. He's also ungodly gifted as an athelete and he has the ability to get out of the pocket which Gibbs seems to covet.

Anyhow, just an idea. What do you guys think?

Well, there's only one way to find out.

Let's give him these 7 starts and go from there.

I don't know for a fact, but I'm pretty sure that Ramsey also studies films, works on the playbook, etc. All without the angel dust, or whatever it was Q was allegedly snorting.

I don't know either if it's accurate to say Ramsey isn't mobile enough for Gibbs. Schroeder, Rypien and Williams weren't exactly the most mobile QBs. But the key, as you say Daseal, is that Ramsey needs to cut back on his mistakes

ive always thought carter sucked ass...he threw more picks than tds so i dont know how hes not as mistake prone as ramsey

Guys, can we ever think hypothetically? Everytime I pose a hypothetical question it never gets answered. Just like this, I said in my post that I think Ramsey is our guy, BUT WHAT IF HE ISN'T!

Smoot: I've heard quite a number of reports saying what Q Carter failed his drug test for was just pot.

Sorry about that Daseal. To answer your question if Ramsey isn't the man, then I don't think we should turn to Quincy Carter.

I think the reason Gibbs seemed to be concerned about Ramsey's mobility is because he knows that the offensive line hasn't been able to provide steady pass protection. I think Ramsey has a canon of an arm and great accuracy too, but I think that his talents will really start to come out when the line meshes a bit and provides some stalwort pass support.

Ok to answer the question, NO.

I don't see QC as a long-term solution. In fact I don't see him as anyone's long-term solution. He's an atheletic QB but he's not very accurate and he turns the ball over too much.

Yesterday, after the game, I was thinking about a nonsense thread. It was going to make fun of some of the rediculous things people say on here after a loss. I was going to suggest things such as trading for Troy Hambrick, or trying to pursue Warren Sapp, or trying to get Quincy Carter for our QB.

So no, I really don't think we should go after QC.

I don't think Ramsey's mobility is a big issue. Joe Gibbs won a super bowl with Mark Rypien, and I don't remember him making any big plays with his legs. I believe if our O-line can give Ramsey enough protection for him to feel comfortable, he will throw more TD's than INT's.

Ramsey WILL be the man. He needs more experience as he is playing like a rookie with a lot of talent, but not the smarts to make quick reads and smart throws.

He's going to be blitzed to death this weekend and I'd be surprised if he does well. My guess is he'll throw 3 picks and 2 TDs with about 250 yards. The key is to keep Portis running by preventing the Eagles from getting ahead early by double-teaming Owens.

[QUOTE=Big C]ive always thought carter sucked ass...he threw more picks than tds so i dont know how hes not as mistake prone as ramsey[/QUOTE

Please do not compare Qunicy Carter to Ramsey. There is no comparison. Carter led his team to the playoffs with a 10-6 record. WTF did Ramsey do when he played yesterday? At least Carter won a game for the Jets. Had the Bengals had decent corners there would have been at least 5 more INT's from Ramsey. I hate to see people put down another QB when they have no QB to brag on. I wish we had Qunicy Carter. A QB runner and passer is the most dangerous weapon on the offense and we better get with the program.

Ramsey: Let them Blitz and we'll beat them with the run. The key to keeping Ramsey alive is a big dose of CPortis. Once we make them back off a bit we'll soften their secondary up with some throws.

[QUOTE=SUNRA][QUOTE=Big C]ive always thought carter sucked ass...he threw more picks than tds so i dont know how hes not as mistake prone as ramsey[/QUOTE

Please do not compare Qunicy Carter to Ramsey. There is no comparison. Carter led his team to the playoffs with a 10-6 record. WTF did Ramsey do when he played yesterday? At least Carter won a game for the Jets. Had the Bengals had decent corners there would have been at least 5 more INT's from Ramsey. I hate to see people put down another QB when they have no QB to brag on. I wish we had Qunicy Carter. A QB runner and passer is the most dangerous weapon on the offense and we better get with the program.[/QUOTE]

You really hate Ramsey don't you? Geez, give the guy a break, you gave Brunell about 9 weeks of breaks.

You keep harping on Ramsey's two poor performances this year. You fail to consider that #1 there were many teams interested in Ramsey this past offseason, he was awesome for us during the first quarter of last season, he's incredibly inexperienced for a QB having just 16 starts under his belt.

Thank God Ramsey Is In
If He Was In There From The Start We'd Be Atleast 6-3

[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]You really hate Ramsey don't you? Geez, give the guy a break, you gave Brunell about 9 weeks of breaks.

You keep harping on Ramsey's two poor performances this year. You fail to consider that #1 there were many teams interested in Ramsey this past offseason, he was awesome for us during the first quarter of last season, he's incredibly inexperienced for a QB having just 16 starts under his belt.[/QUOTE]Seriously, how about we give the kid a chance?

He surpassed the 200 yard mark in a little over a half of action, Brunell struggled regularly to just hit 100 yards, and he only topped 200 yards twice this year, that's pretty sad. Can Ramsey do any worse than Brunell has? I highly doubt it.

Ramsey has a lot of potential. He's going to make some mistakes along the way, but he's also going to mix in some throws that make you say wow.

Brunell is done, for this year and for his career. Ramsey is our best shot.

i agree with matt ramsey looked better than brunell and
he had little or no reps with the starters.he started getting in a groove
in the 4th he will make mistakes cause he belives he can make any throw
cause he has a monster arm

[QUOTE=SUNRA][QUOTE=Big C]ive always thought carter sucked ass...he threw more picks than tds so i dont know how hes not as mistake prone as ramsey[/QUOTE

Please do not compare Qunicy Carter to Ramsey. There is no comparison. Carter led his team to the playoffs with a 10-6 record. WTF did Ramsey do when he played yesterday? At least Carter won a game for the Jets. Had the Bengals had decent corners there would have been at least 5 more INT's from Ramsey. I hate to see people put down another QB when they have no QB to brag on. I wish we had Qunicy Carter. A QB runner and passer is the most dangerous weapon on the offense and we better get with the program.[/QUOTE]


When did Carter win a game for the Jets?

The man asked a hypothetical question.. and people dont answer he is right. How bout this let's mortgage our future for Mark Brunnell? the point is Carter would play for peanuts we have to think about the salary cap now fellas dont wanna be like Indy with all our money invested in one player and have no defense at all.

Quincy Carter?
 

Come on man, Quincy Carter. Are you kidding?

Quincy Carter is a young QB with tons of athletic talent. Not to mention much better than anyone Gibbs won a SuperBowl with. I think he's the #1 reason the Cowboys are struggling.

[QUOTE=Daseal]Quincy Carter is a young QB with tons of athletic talent. Not to mention much better than anyone Gibbs won a SuperBowl with. I think he's the #1 reason the Cowboys are struggling.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but he has a slight drug problem unfortunately. You can't have your starting QB getting high during the season or training camp.

[QUOTE=Daseal]Quincy Carter is a young QB with tons of athletic talent. Not to mention much better than anyone Gibbs won a SuperBowl with. I think he's the #1 reason the Cowboys are struggling.[/QUOTE]
Huh?!

Rypien, Theismann and Williams weren't superstars, but in their prime they were without question better than QC. That's not even open for debate.

The Cowboys problems aren't at QB, it starts with the fact they can't run the football and their defense is tanking big time.

I don't think those guys were better than Carter, that's just my opinion.

We can't have someone getting high eh? LT got high on COCAINE CONSTANTLY. Did it affect his PLAY? No. Don't fool yourself into thinking that all these guys are sober. There are so many masking substances you can take the drug test shouldn't even be administered. Guess QC got lazy or suprised, one of the two.

QC gives them the threat of a mobile QB, it would help. Not to mention it throws off team chemsitry. Don't we always say how important continuity is?

[QUOTE=Daseal]I don't think those guys were better than Carter, that's just my opinion.

We can't have someone getting high eh? LT got high on COCAINE CONSTANTLY. Did it affect his PLAY? No. Don't fool yourself into thinking that all these guys are sober. There are so many masking substances you can take the drug test shouldn't even be administered. Guess QC got lazy or suprised, one of the two.

QC gives them the threat of a mobile QB, it would help. Not to mention it throws off team chemsitry. Don't we always say how important continuity is?[/QUOTE]

LT was a linebacker!! Quincy is a QB!!!! He's supposed to be the "leader" of the team, right?

Daseal, you've said some curious things before but QC better than anyone Gibbs has won a SB with? How do you figure that?

Look at [url="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235201"]QC's numbers [/url] and tell me what it is that impresses you. Is it the career 30 TD's to 36 INT's? Maybe the 71.0 QB rating?

[url="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/RypiMa00.htm"]Mark Rypien [/url]is a much more accomplished QB, career TD to INT of 115-88. 5-3 record in the postseason.

As for [url="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/TheiJo00.htm"]Joe Theismann[/url], c'mon you're saying QC is better than Joey T??? 160 career TD passes vs. 138 INT's, 6-2 postseason record.

[url="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/WillDo01.htm"]Doug Williams [/url]is probably the only one that could be possibly debated, but even then he's got 100 career TD's vs. 93 INT's and a 4-3 postseason record, and he helped turn around one of the most dismal franchises in NFL history with the Bucs.

QC right now is far from even being mentioned in the same breath as these guys.

what the hell, how did this thread become about quincy carter?? gross.

Daseal asked THE question of the season, and you guys talkin' bout a guy not good enough for the COWBOYS.

we finally got Ramsey in, and he's still throwing too close to the other guys. this is it, our 'hero' is in, and the rest of the season is on the line. before we start hearing Hasslebeck's name, could we discuss how scary it will be if Ramsey doesn't shake off his bad gambling with his throws?

[QUOTE=Daseal]QC gives them the threat of a mobile QB, it would help. Not to mention it throws off team chemsitry. Don't we always say how important continuity is?[/QUOTE]

What do you mean by "not to mention it throws off team chemistry"?

and if you agree that continuity is important why would we go again to yet another QB who's not even on our roster?

[QUOTE=illdefined]what the hell, how did this thread become about quincy carter?? gross.

Daseal asked THE question of the season, and you guys talkin' bout a guy not good enough for the COWBOYS.[/QUOTE]


Well, Daseal didn't just ask "What if Ramsey isn't the man". He also asked "Shouldn't we consider Q"

[quote=SUNRA]At least Carter won a game for the Jets.[/quote]

except that the jets LOST... please [url=http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/live/NFL_20041114_BAL@NYJ.shtml]check your facts[/url] ;)

didn't dallas want ramsey once we got brunell? if so... hmm...

Daseal, all of the QBs that Gibbs won with had something that Quincy does not...they were very smart. Carter isn't an idiot, but I know many Cowboy fans that didn't want him there, and were happy to see him go, even though they knew that meant they had to rely on old man Vinny or a baseball player.
That is one thing that all of our QB's do have....they are all very smart. So if it turns out that Ramsey isn't the man (which, for the record, I seriously doubt will happen), I don't know who they'll go after, but it will definitely be someone that has shown to be more intelligent than Q.

Quincy Carter is so good that he got cut when Dallas had the President of the AARP backing him up.

You're telling me LT wasn't the leader of that team? Please. He was the scariest thing about that team.

QC is better than many of you want to give him credit for. He's made plenty of his mistakes, but he's also shown a lot of improvement. Why don't you guys toss in some ideas? I like Ramsey myself, but I think Carter is an affordable option if Gibbs doesn't like Ramsey.

[QUOTE=Daseal]You're telling me LT wasn't the leader of that team? Please. He was the scariest thing about that team.

QC is better than many of you want to give him credit for. He's made plenty of his mistakes, but he's also shown a lot of improvement. Why don't you guys toss in some ideas? I like Ramsey myself, but I think Carter is an affordable option if Gibbs doesn't like Ramsey.[/QUOTE]


No, I'm not saying that he wasn't the leader, but playing LB and QB are 2 TOTALLY different things. Don't you think?

Isn't Matt Hasselbeck on the last year of his contract? I would much rather have him then QC, Kitna, or Brees.

Then there are others like Warner, Brad Johnson, and possibly Jake Plummer who could be available next year.


You know what guys let's bring back Tony Banks!!! :drink

i guess daseal is the board's main guy for off-the-wall ideas but now we're just at the point where it's lame and any trash he throws out there he'll back up. however...
Q would be no worse than anyone we have in there now. why? b/c we've got one lame-duck who for whatever reason can't throw to a checkdown on 3rd and 18 and another who doesn't even have susbtantial exp. with the starting unit. note the chemistry with him and coles and how it isn't anywhere else. we've got to learn that it's gonna take time to get rams up to speed and eventually successful. there are no quick fixes. mcnabb, culpepper, carr, etc. all struggled initially. it's just the way it goes. so let's be glad ramsey is in now and unless he absolutely stinks it up look for him to be on target next summer.

and as for the comparison with the former 'skins QBs that's the trash i'm talkinga bout.. heh

[QUOTE=illdefined]what the hell, how did this thread become about quincy carter?? gross.

Daseal asked THE question of the season, and you guys talkin' bout a guy not good enough for the COWBOYS.

we finally got Ramsey in, and he's still throwing too close to the other guys. this is it, our 'hero' is in, and the rest of the season is on the line. before we start hearing Hasslebeck's name, could we discuss how scary it will be if Ramsey doesn't shake off his bad gambling with his throws?[/QUOTE]

The Quincy Carter subject emerged when Big C referred to Carter as "ass" and compared his mistakes to Ramsey's mistakes. Again, I think it is frivilous to put down a QB so that your favorite QB doesn't look as bad.

I actually think he would be a great fit for Gibbs and his system. A Gibbs offense needs a mobile QB at this point especially with the speed and agility of the LB's in today's NFL. I know he had Rypien but he also had the "Hogs" believe it or not. The offensive line we have will not allow a pocket passer to be successful. He has to use his legs as a weapon or at least be able to avoid the sack. If Quincy Carter led his team to a 10-6 record with all of the insults and yelling from Parcells no wonder he was smoking weed to calm his nerves, he would follow the settle but firm guidance of Joe Gibbs.

Unless I've been reading this thread wrong, the Quincy Carter subject emerged when Daseal started the post and brought up QC as a possible alternative

I don't think Big C started anything

[QUOTE=smootsmack]Unless I've been reading this thread wrong, the Quincy Carter subject emerged when Daseal started the post and brought up QC as a possible alternative

I don't think Big C started anything[/QUOTE]
yeah, think daseal started this thread... if dallas canned him for personal reasons, you really think he's going to be a stand up gibbs guy (who by the way, fired all behavorial misfits we had collected from previous coaches)?

he has a serious accuracy problem... SUNRA, you tend to equate QBs with their team's records... so, is kyle boller a top 10 QB? or craig krenzel? parcells D is what led them to 10-6 more than QC...

yeah, it was in my second paragraph first post!