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I hope that the Skins find a way to get TW in before the opening of camp. We have one of the later start dates, that ought to help them as well.

[url=http://blogs.fredericksburg.com/redskinsjournal/2010/07/21/redskins-gm-allen-is-confident-trent-williams-will-sign-on-time/]Redskins GM Allen believes Trent Williams will sign on time - Redskins Journal[/url]

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This is good news and I hope that it is accurate. I have assumed that getting this deal done was a top priority, and this confirms it. I am glad we have at least heard something regarding TW's contract status. The Warpath, The Team, and Trent himself knows that we must get this done soon so he is on time.

Hail! 8 days till players report.

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I don't think Trent or the Redskins can really be blamed for a deal not getting done. According to Mike and Mike this morning, NO 1st round picks have signed yet because they're waiting to see how the new CBA will be structured. Teams just aren't sure how these rookie contracts will affect them going forward.

I have no doubts he'll be here, somehow. He and the team understands Trent's importance to this team in 2010.

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It's important to note Williams does not want to miss time. They'll get a deal done without him missing anything significant.

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Do the rookies report on the 28th or do they report with the rest of the team on the 29th?

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At least we have Jamaal Brown to start the season at LT if Williams does miss time and needs to be at RT initially.


It's vital we get him in on time though, we need him to be the LT. You don't draft a RT at #4, unless you already have an elite LT...like the Jets have been doing with their draft picks, building a line of all 1st-rounders.

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Buster: " According to Mike and Mike this morning, NO 1st round picks have signed yet because they're waiting to see how the new CBA will be structured. "


How can the rookies and teams wait to see how the new CBA will be structured? They won't get that done between now and training camp opening.

Buster this is not a jab at you, it just does not make much sense to wait this long when the deal won't be done and the rookie pay scale may or may not be in the next CBA. I know that Hasell said it is something they want to get done, but you can't gaurentee it will be in place come April 2011. Just get these deals done and get the guys in camp operating off of the same basis they have for years. The Player, Agents and GMs can change all this next offseason not now.

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I was thinking the same thing. If this is what the teams are putting out there, then I guess there will either be no rookies signed or the CBA will be done in about a week or two. They'll all sign but they are probably trying to see just how much money they can get. The NFL really needs to get some kind of slotted salary system for the draftees.

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[quote=Buster;713366]I don't think Trent or the Redskins can really be blamed for a deal not getting done. According to Mike and Mike this morning, NO 1st round picks have signed yet because they're waiting to see how the new CBA will be structured. Teams just aren't sure how these rookie contracts will affect them going forward.

I have no doubts he'll be here, somehow. He and the team understands Trent's importance to this team in 2010.[/quote]

You didn't hear right. They weren't talking about draft picks. It was in reference to current players (guys like Manning, Brady, McNabb) who have contracts but are due to expire soon who have not signed new contracts because of the CBA uncertainty

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Yeah, the negotiations may be a little more tricky than years past but will get done [deleted] The article gave what I believe a good basis for TW's contract, that is last year's 4th overall, and the 1st and 2nd OT drafted last year.

[QUOTE]Some figures to keep in mind, though: Last year’s No. 4 pick, Seattle linebacker Aaron Curry, signed a six-year, $60 million deal with $34 million guaranteed, according to NFL.com.

Also last season, the second- and sixth-overall picks were offensive linemen Jason Smith and Andre Smith, respectively. Jason signed with St. Louis for five years, $61.8 million ($33 million guaranteed). Andre signed with Cincinnati for four years, $26 million ($21 million guaranteed).[/QUOTE]

I imagine he will be looking at about 62 Million over 5 years with 35 million guaranteed, I just don't see how you can't just put your pen on the paper and sign that. Let others haggle, you get in on time.

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[quote=SmootSmack;713384]You didn't hear right. They weren't talking about draft picks. It was in reference to current players (guys like Manning, Brady, McNabb) who have contracts but are due to expire soon who have not signed new contracts because of the CBA uncertainty[/quote]

That makes more sense.

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[quote=Buster;713366][B]I don't think Trent or the Redskins can really be[/B] [B]blamed for a deal not getting done[/B]. According to Mike and Mike this morning, NO 1st round picks have signed yet because they're waiting to see how the new CBA will be structured. Teams just aren't sure how these rookie contracts will affect them going forward.

I have no doubts he'll be here, somehow. He and the team understands Trent's importance to this team in 2010.[/quote]
spoken by someone that hates unions? who the hell is to blame? those 2 sides are the ones sitting at the table. too me, it boils down to the athlete. the framework is already in place. so are the numbers. unless the skins are trying to play hard ball, which i doubt, he will be in camp

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[quote=SmootSmack;713384]You didn't hear right. They weren't talking about draft picks. It was in reference to current players (guys like Manning, Brady, McNabb) who have contracts but are due to expire soon who have not signed new contracts because of the CBA uncertainty[/quote]

Wrong, they were talking about draft picks signing and specifically mentioned Jamarcus Russell not signing until September and ruining his rookie season, plus the other two instances of #1 picks not signing into July, Eli Manning and Alex Smith. Golic even asked "so 7 of the last 10 first picks have signed in April or May and no first rounders have signed this year?" I'm not saying they're accurate, but I understand what they were saying...about DRAFT PICKS.

Yes, they were also talking about Brady and Manning...but it's common knowledge they're not getting deals until after Bradford's numbers are finalized.



Backup for what I heard/said:

[quote][URL="http://detnews.com/article/20100720/SPORTS0101/7200391/1126/rss14"]Lions, unsigned Ndamukong Suh talking big money | detnews.com | The Detroit News[/URL]

[B]Lions, unsigned Ndamukong Suh talking big money[/B]

[B]Mike O'Hara / Special to The Detroit News[/B]

[I]Allen Park[/I] --[SIZE=4][COLOR=Red][B]With the start of NFL training camps rapidly approaching and no first-round draft picks signed[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE], the agent for Lions rookie Ndamukong Suh is using only one reference point in negotiations for his client.
[/quote]It's not just Trent.
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[/COLOR]Several factors have made the signing of draft picks considerably slower this year than in previous years.



No first-round picks were signed as of Tuesday morning. The Lions have two first-rounders. They drafted running back Jahvid Best of California 30th overall after acquiring the pick in a trade with Minnesota.



One factor is that Oklahoma quarterback Sam Bradford, drafted first overall by the [URL="http://detnews.com/article/20100720/SPORTS0101/7200391/1126/rss14#"]Rams[/URL], has not signed. The top pick often sets the standard, but there are exceptions.



In 2008, the Dolphins signed offensive tackle Jake Long of Michigan a few days before officially making him the first player drafted. The Lions signed Stafford the day before last year's draft.



Negotiations between the NFL owners and the players association on a new collective bargaining agreement also have made an impact. Many people are expecting a lockout by the owners next year.



There is increasing sentiment on the part of owners to get a rookie wage scale, similar to the one in place in pro basketball. Commissioner Roger Goodell has been outspoken in saying more money should go to veterans and less to rookies.
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[COLOR=#000000] ^ Exactly what I said.
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Three of the top four draft picks share the same agent based on that TW would be the last to sign of the three.

HTTR.

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I know they talked about draft picks. When they spoke with D. Smith about contracts not having been signed due to CBA uncertainty, they were not talking about draft picks. When D Smith spoke about draft picks not having signed he actually alluded to collusion being a factor.

After D. Smith left, Greenberg mentioned that Bill Polian has said one of the hold ups in Manning's new contract is uncertainty on the new CBA, and when they spoke about Russell and the other draft picks it was again more about D. Smiths suggestion that collusion might be in play.

Greenberg did say that the CBA uncertainty is playing a factor in everything, but they weren't saying draft picks had not signed due to CBA uncertainty.

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[quote=SmootSmack;713454]I know they talked about draft picks. When they spoke with D. Smith about contracts not having been signed due to CBA uncertainty, they were not talking about draft picks. When D Smith spoke about draft picks not having signed he actually alluded to collusion being a factor.

After D. Smith left, Greenberg mentioned that Bill Polian has said one of the hold ups in Manning's new contract is uncertainty on the new CBA, and when they spoke about Russell and the other draft picks it was again more about D. Smiths suggestion that collusion might be in play.

Greenberg did say that the CBA uncertainty is playing a factor in everything, but they weren't saying draft picks had not signed due to CBA uncertainty.[/quote]
didn't they also say that the CBA is impacting the rookies because the owners are wary about guaranteeing money in the 2nd year of a deal for a season that won't take place?

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[quote=Paintrain;713459]didn't they also say that the CBA is impacting the rookies because the owners are wary about guaranteeing money in the 2nd year of a deal for a season that [B]won't take place[/B]]?[/quote]

mite not take place.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;713464]mite not take place.[/quote]

sorry, meant to say might not take place. or mite. :food-smil

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[quote=Paintrain;713459]didn't they also say that the CBA is impacting the rookies because the owners are wary about guaranteeing money in the 2nd year of a deal for a season that won't take place?[/quote]

That was more in reference to Polian's comments about Manning's contract situation.

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NFL Exec VP Jeff Pash was on Mike and Mike this morning and he did imply that part of the reason no first round draft picks have signed was CBA uncertainty which is affecting all NFL business. But picks should start getting signed very shortly.

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On Geico Sportnite yesterday, they showed a clip of Allen saying he felt confident, and off screen TW shouted to Allen that TW promised he would be in on time, and then Allen laughed and said, very confidently, that TW would be in. It was a good clip to see.

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They were discussing it again this morning on M&M. The word "collusion" in regards to owners was thrown around, but of course, by the NFLPA's rep.

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This whole CBA lockout crap is just plain bullshit. Not playing A WHOLE NFL SEASON due to ****ing money, MILLIONS these players and owners are making for a GAME?? Just shut the **** up, cash your checks and play football. The greed in this country is so ****ing thick, you could top a cake with it.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;713570]On Geico Sportnite yesterday, they showed a clip of Allen saying he felt confident, and off screen TW shouted to Allen that TW promised he would be in on time, and then Allen laughed and said, very confidently, that TW would be in. It was a good clip to see.[/quote]

Was Trent and Bruce both on the show? I wish I was back up north sometimes just to get the local raio and TV progams.

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[quote=Mechanix544;713701]This whole CBA lockout crap is just plain bullshit. Not playing A WHOLE NFL SEASON due to ****ing money, MILLIONS these players and owners are making for a GAME?? Just shut the **** up, cash your checks and play football. The greed in this country is so ****ing thick, you could top a cake with it.[/quote]

You realize the players are the ones who were just fine with it as is, right? They were 100% ready, willing and able to 'just shut the **** up, cash their checks and play football' as you put it. The owners pulled the carpet out by opting out of the CBA and requesting over $1 billion back from the players. The owners are the bad guys this time.

Strike-player initiated
Lockout-Owner initiated

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I would like to think this will get done with no greed hold ups. For the record I think it will, I think Williams will sign and be in camp on time. Even if it comes to the last tick on the clock before July 29 the deal gets done.

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[quote=Paintrain;713719]You realize the players are the ones who were just fine with it as is, right? They were 100% ready, willing and able to 'just shut the **** up, cash their checks and play football' as you put it. The owners pulled the carpet out by opting out of the CBA and requesting over $1 billion back from the players.[B] The owners are the bad guys this time.[/B]

Strike-player initiated
Lockout-Owner initiated[/quote]

Are they really? It's clear a rookie wage scale needs to be implemented for owners to stay afloat. When a rookie gets $50 million with a ton of guaranteed money and established players make a fraction of that...something is VERY wrong. Owners are getting burned by draft busts and Pro Bowlers are getting angry because they're not getting paid for real results.

I believe a new CBA must be agreed upon to make any changes like this.

I have no doubts they'll get something done, they realize the NFL is the biggest thing in the world and saw how the NHL and MLB have suffered long-term damage from strikes. If there is a lockout, EVERYONE loses.

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[quote=Paintrain;713719]You realize the players are the ones who were just fine with it as is, right? They were 100% ready, willing and able to 'just shut the **** up, cash their checks and play football' as you put it. The owners pulled the carpet out by opting out of the CBA and requesting over $1 billion back from the players. The owners are the bad guys this time.

Strike-player initiated
Lockout-Owner initiated[/quote]
I believe we have all cried "enough is enough" a......few times. Perhaps this is the first step? It will be interesing, no doubt.

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[quote=Buster;713822]Are they really? It's clear a rookie wage scale needs to be implemented for owners to stay afloat. When a rookie gets $50 million with a ton of guaranteed money and established players make a fraction of that...something is VERY wrong. Owners are getting burned by draft busts and Pro Bowlers are getting angry because they're not getting paid for real results.

I believe a new CBA must be agreed upon to make any changes like this.

I have no doubts they'll get something done, they realize the NFL is the biggest thing in the world and saw how the NHL and MLB have suffered long-term damage from strikes. If there is a lockout, EVERYONE loses.[/quote]

I've heard some players speak in favor of a rookie wage scale. That issue alone won't cause a walkout/lockout. Percentage of revenues dedicated to player salaries seems like a much stickier issue.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;713715]Was Trent and Bruce both on the show? I wish I was back up north sometimes just to get the local raio and TV progams.[/quote]

No, they were interviewing Bruce in a hallway, and someone, supposedly TW, shouted from off the screen, "I promised you ", and Bruce got a goofy smile and said confidently "we will get it done".

Was obviously unscripted, and showed a real good atmosphere at the park. Kinda like last year(2 years ago?) when Portis was giving an interview and another Hurricane walked by. Just really made it seem like everyone's on the same page.

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It's got to be clear that both parties are at fault if a lockout/strike were to occur. Both sides profit from this enterprise, and both sides profit more now than before the 1987 agreements. Neither side gets to be the good guy if there is a work stoppage, but also doubt it would really hurt the NFL brand that much.

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Mike Ditka [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5401088"]just can't believe anybody is that stupid[/URL]

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I mean, whatever both sides reasons, bottom line is that it is not good for the NFL. He does make good points.

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I completely agree with Ditka's assessment. The owners are not losing money and to be honest I don't see a reason why the owner's will not open up the books for the negotiations with the CBA, unless they have something to hide. I imagine that the 2 sides will come together at the last minute and get the deal done sometime in late Feb or early march.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;714062]I completely agree with Ditka's assessment. The owners are not losing money and to be honest I don't see a reason why the owner's will not open up the books for the negotiations with the CBA, unless they have something to hide. I imagine that the 2 sides will come together at the last minute and get the deal done sometime in late Feb or early march.[/quote]

Go talk to the owner of your company and ask him to let you see the books..........