The new and improved Haynesworth thread
 

Now that he's in town and ready to start camp (pending a physical), I thought it's time we can start up a new and improved Haynesworth thread. Here's to hoping this one is full of more positive things like this:

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/albert-haynesworth/haynesworth-meets-with-shanaha.html]Redskins Insider - Haynesworth meets with Shanahan, Haslett[/url]

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/albert-haynesworth/-pro-bowl-defensive-tackle-1.html]Redskins Insider - Haynesworth tells Redskins he won't be a distraction[/url]

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We only can wait and see what happens.. Well, and talk about this..

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pending a conditioning test as well right? something tells me he'll pass, I mean Shanny was even willing to say that he looked in shape when asked

now let's see what they do with him... with maake recovering do they throw him in heavy at the nose? or do they appease him a bit and split it up with Green, Bryant, etc starting at nose?

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Lets not get too excited just yet. From most recent RI article you linked:

[quote]Shanahan, asked Wednesday about his conversation with Haynesworth, said it "went well." He said of Haynesworth: "He's here, he's ready to go."

But when asked whether Haynesworth will be a Redskin this season, he said: "We'll see."
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Up until now, Shanahan has said unconditionally that Haynesworth would be a Redskin. Now that Haynesworth is finally showing up and trying to be a good soldier, Shanahan is uncertain whether Haynesworth will be a part of the team. If we look at everything from the past couple days except Shanahahan's comment, everything seems hunkydory. however, that comment opens the possibility that all the "positive" things we are seeing from Haynesworth could merely be a charade orchestrated between the Redskins and Haynesworth to make Haynesworth more attractive to other teams. If he's no longer concieved as a malcontent, he'd certainly have more value.

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lol, apparently now he is a 'happy camper'. What a joke, this guys is such a consummate idiot it's incredible. He pouted, then realized that everyone was against him and suddenly did an about-face and showed up to camp. Pathetic.

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He's going to start with the 2nd team defense. That's understandable though since he'll actually have to learn a lot of this stuff for the first time.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;714874]Lets not get too excited just yet. From most recent RI article you linked:



Up until now, [B]Shanahan has said unconditionally that Haynesworth would be a Redskin.[/B] Now that Haynesworth is finally showing up and trying to be a good soldier, Shanahan is uncertain whether Haynesworth will be a part of the team. If we look at everything from the past couple days except Shanahahan's comment, everything seems hunkydory. however, that comment opens the possibility that all the "positive" things we are seeing from Haynesworth could merely be a charade orchestrated between the Redskins and Haynesworth to make Haynesworth more attractive to other teams. If he's no longer concieved as a malcontent, he'd certainly have more value.[/quote]

Well, Shanahan acknowledged they were open to trading him prior to him taking that $21M bonus.

I don't think a trade is happening this late in the game. Acting nice at this point isn't going to bump his trade value. Everyone around the league already knows his story.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;714874]Lets not get too excited just yet. From most recent RI article you linked:



Up until now, Shanahan has said unconditionally that Haynesworth would be a Redskin. Now that Haynesworth is finally showing up and trying to be a good soldier, Shanahan is uncertain whether Haynesworth will be a part of the team. If we look at everything from the past couple days except Shanahahan's comment, everything seems hunkydory. however, that comment opens the possibility that all the "positive" things we are seeing from Haynesworth could merely be a charade orchestrated between the Redskins and Haynesworth to make Haynesworth more attractive to other teams. If he's no longer concieved as a malcontent, he'd certainly have more value.[/quote]
Maybe it means that they're not opposed to cutting him either. I mean you always listen to trade offers for the most part, so I'd never throw that out of the window.

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I just want to see AH playing as much DE as possible.

That is going to be a friggin nightmare dealing with him out wide in the 3-4 sets.

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This whole Haynesworth saga has drawn far more attention than was ever neccessary from the beginning. The guy didn't kiss-up, he stood-up for what he felt was his right. His decision may not have been a popular one, but it was his to make.

Now that he's reported and appearently in shape and ready (I hope to play) the vibe is beginning to take on the tone I fugured it would once he showed up. I hope he has a great season, especially after being drug through that media mud. I want to be a witness to what all the critics have to say then.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;714874]Lets not get too excited just yet. From most recent RI article you linked:



Up until now, Shanahan has said unconditionally that Haynesworth would be a Redskin. Now that Haynesworth is finally showing up and trying to be a good soldier, Shanahan is uncertain whether Haynesworth will be a part of the team. If we look at everything from the past couple days except Shanahahan's comment, everything seems hunkydory. however, that comment opens the possibility that all the "positive" things we are seeing from Haynesworth could merely be a charade orchestrated between the Redskins and Haynesworth to make Haynesworth more attractive to other teams. If he's no longer concieved as a malcontent, he'd certainly have more value.[/quote]

It could also mean that alot can happen between now and opening day.

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I think Feignsworth is owning up simply because the NFLPA advised him to. Perhaps later he will actually fall in love with the 3-4, but now, I don't think he's 100% sincere.

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how is he new and improved? have we played a game yet?? he lost some weight. big deal. play more than two plays in a row w/out rolling around on the ground like a fish out of water and then come talk to me.

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The thread is new and improved, ah nevermind

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;714874]Lets not get too excited just yet. From most recent RI article you linked:



Up until now, Shanahan has said unconditionally that Haynesworth would be a Redskin. Now that Haynesworth is finally showing up and trying to be a good soldier, Shanahan is uncertain whether Haynesworth will be a part of the team. If we look at everything from the past couple days except Shanahahan's comment, everything seems hunkydory. however, that comment opens the possibility that all the "positive" things we are seeing from Haynesworth could merely be a charade orchestrated between the Redskins and Haynesworth to make Haynesworth more attractive to other teams. If he's no longer concieved as a malcontent, he'd certainly have more value.[/quote]

shanahan can say that but let be real here. nobody wants the guy. even detroit, who has the worst defense in the NFL wants him...and his former defensive coordinator is the head coach. lol.

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[quote=Mattyk;714901]The thread is new and improved, ah nevermind[/quote]

Well, Haynesworth has become the new Jason Campbell. People are going to continue to bitch no matter what, we'll get moronic scenarios where he is traded, and all the team's fault will be pinned on him. So I guess we should be ready for a slew of bitching/PMS'ing rants. :doh:

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Let's see how many members that were calling for his trade last month, jump on his bandwagon this month.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;714911]Let's see how many members that were calling for his trade last month, jump on his bandwagon this month.[/quote]

I doubt this will happen. We have many folks here that blindly hate a player, no matter what.

That being said, it seems that Haynesworth is (finally) saying the right things, however he has a lot to prove and has a lot to do to convince Redskins fans to get behind him.

While it is hard to just ignore what Haynesworth did, I do hope that this situation becomes old news fast. I would rather discuss the team in training camp and things like that, instead of hearing the same overused comments about what Haynesworth did, etc., etc.

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[quote=Ruhskins;714907]Well, [B]Haynesworth has become the new Jason Campbell.[/B] People are going to continue to bitch no matter what, we'll get moronic scenarios where he is traded, and all the team's fault will be pinned on him. So I guess we should be ready for a slew of bitching/PMS'ing rants. :doh:[/quote]

HA ! Now that's funny. I would never compare Albert Hanesworth to that waste of a roster spot. That's wrong. I wanted him out of here because he failed and in some cases outright refused to do some things that QB's,...well the good QB's do. Haynesworth, I want him here. No matter how the Haynesworth haters slice it, that bamma is a force. Campbell was and wanted to be just another dude on the team. That's enough for the Oakland Raider. I'm glad Al is here and I look forward to seeing him stop Brandon Jacobs on whatever and 1's again !

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[quote=sandtrapjack;714911]Let's see how many members that were calling for his trade last month, jump on his bandwagon this month.[/quote]

That's about 99.9999999989% of the board who wanted him out.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;714918]HA ! Now that's funny. I would never compare Albert Hanesworth to that waste of a roster spot. That's wrong. I wanted him out of here because he failed and in some cases outright refused to do some things that QB's,...well the good QB's do. Haynesworth, I want him here. No matter how the Haynesworth haters slice it, that bamma is a force. Campbell was and wanted to be just another dude on the team. That's enough for the Oakland Raider. I'm glad Al is here and I look forward to seeing him stop Brandon Jacobs on whatever and 1's again ![/quote]

I meant more as a polarizing subject in this forum.

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Just fudging with ya

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brandon marshall started playing nice and it got him traded. Jason Taylor started playing nice and he was traded as well. Teams may not be very interested in Haynesworth now, but a training camp injury can change everything. If, for example, Suh suffered a season-ending injury sometime in the next couple of weeks, Detroits interest in acquiring him could change. The same goes for every other 4-3 defensive team in the league.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;714927]brandon marshall started playing nice and it got him traded. Jason Taylor started playing nice and he was traded as well. Teams may not be very interested in Haynesworth now, but a training camp injury can change everything. If, for example, Suh suffered a season-ending injury sometime in the next couple of weeks, Detroits interest in acquiring him could change. The same goes for every other 4-3 defensive team in the league.[/quote]

Both sides need to play nice if he were to be traded period. Haynesworth needs to show up, show that he can dominate, and that he wronged all his faults from last season. The team needs to show that they are working with him and that they are not desperate to get rid of him. Otherwise, we end up on the losing side of a trade.

That being said, it is best for everyone if he comes, gets up to speed, and becomes the dominant player he was in the past. Both Shanahan and Haslett are pretty much saying that they want him to buy in to what they are doing defensively and it is up to him to do so.

As far as Shanahan's comment of "we'll see" when asked if Haynesworth will be on the team...well here's the whole quote:

[quote]Asked if Haynesworth would be a part of the team in 2010, Shanahan replied: [B]“We’ll see. We’re going to give him every opportunity to show us what he can do. Hopefully he’ll like the position that we play him in and he’ll give us everything he’s got.”[/B][/quote]

The ball is in Haynesworth court and he needs to produce period.

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[quote=tryfuhl;714873]pending a conditioning test as well right? something tells me he'll pass, I mean Shanny was even willing to say that he looked in shape when asked

now let's see what they do with him... with maake recovering do they throw him in heavy at the nose? or do they appease him a bit and split it up with Green, Bryant, etc starting at nose?[/quote]

I'm not even sure Green and Bryant make the team if Kemo is healthy. I said a few months back that I had a feeling PD would actually end up playing more at NT than Big Al, still have that feeling.

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[quote=SmootSmack;714933]I'm not even sure Green and Bryant make the team if Kemo is healthy. I said a few months back that I had a feeling PD would actually end up playing more at NT than Big Al, still have that feeling.[/quote]

After you said that I posed a question to him on FB but he never answered it. I remember when some reporter asked him where he felt he'd fit in on the new D he said "left defensive end." Though if Al isn't playing it much PD probably wouldn't be doing it much either. Any word that he's been learning it?

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I for one supported AH I was not happy but the practices(can't remember the official name) were not mandatory, but when he missed the OTA's I got upset. All is forgiven if he plays like a BEAST.

HTTR.

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[quote][B]Haynesworth to start camp as backup[/B]

ASHBURN, Va. -- Albert Haynesworth finally showed up for work -- and quickly learned the Washington Redskins won't be cutting him any slack.

On the eve of the first day of training camp, Haynesworth ended his months-long boycott of the team by meeting Wednesday morning with coach Mike Shanahan. Hardly sympathetic to the plight of a player who recently received a $21 million bonus, the coach wasn't about to let bygones by bygones.

Shanahan said Haynesworth must pass a conditioning test in order to practice. And, assuming the test is passed, the two-time All-Pro defensive lineman with the $100 million contract [b]won't be practicing with the starting unit, at least not right away.[/b][/quote]

Gotta love Shannys approach on this one.

[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp10/news/story?id=5416820"]Full Story[/URL]

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Well, at least camp is just about here so they can get to practicing and shut up about all the rest of the BS.

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[quote=Longtimefan;714889]This whole Haynesworth saga has drawn far more attention than was ever neccessary from the beginning. The guy didn't kiss-up, he stood-up for what he felt was his right. His decision may not have been a popular one, but it was his to make.

Now that he's reported and appearently in shape and ready (I hope to play) the vibe is beginning to take on the tone I fugured it would once he showed up. I hope he has a great season, especially after being drug through that media mud. I want to be a witness to what all the critics have to say then.[/quote]

what are you talking about? How does AH standing up for what he think is right account for the fact that in actuality, what he did was not right? His decision was not a popular one because it was wrong. Don't forget, it was mandatory that he show up b/c it was specified in his contract.

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[quote=Ruhskins;714907]Well, Haynesworth has become the new Jason Campbell. People are going to continue to bitch no matter what, we'll get moronic scenarios where he is traded, and all the team's fault will be pinned on him. So I guess we should be ready for a slew of bitching/PMS'ing rants. :doh:[/quote]

I think most people are willing to give AH a clean new slate. I am. Last year is over with. But he had better be ready to play and be in tip top shape. If he is then all will be forgotten.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;714918]HA ! Now that's funny. I would never compare Albert Hanesworth to that waste of a roster spot. That's wrong. I wanted him out of here because he failed and in some cases outright refused to do some things that QB's,...well the good QB's do. Haynesworth, I want him here. No matter how the Haynesworth haters slice it, that bamma is a force. Campbell was and wanted to be just another dude on the team. That's enough for the Oakland Raider. I'm glad Al is here and I look forward to seeing him stop Brandon Jacobs on whatever and 1's again ![/quote]

Yeah, I love guys who get paid $42 million but don't come into training camp, whine and complain about the defense etc. As for those guys who were never given what they needed to succeed yet never complained, had a solid character etc., let's throw them under the bus.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;714952]Gotta love Shannys approach on this one.

[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp10/news/story?id=5416820"]Full Story[/URL][/quote]post 6 my man

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I'm already tired of this story and it's just starting lol. If he comes in, shows he's in great shape and stops the bitching, and everything works out and he is dominant for us, then great. If he gets traded and we get something nice, then great. Either way for now it looks like the tension is about to get cleared and hopefully things will settle down once he comes in and handles his business.

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I think that once people start seeing everyone out there the Haynesworth thing will slowly disappear unless he just isn't fitting in

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[quote=sandtrapjack;714911]Let's see how many members that were calling for his trade last month, jump on his bandwagon this month.[/quote]

I was one of them calling for his head when he asked for the trade because he spit on all our faces. With that said I've always wanted AH playing for us, he is so much of an disruptive player on the field that you want an animal like that playing for your team.

Question for you jack if D.Ware acted out like this would you want him on your team?

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IF he is in the condition being suggested and a weight loss of 40+ pounds. I don't see him playing much at the nose. To tall, and honestly would probably be wasted. He should be able to....move....well. I think they put him at end (which is not an original contrivance on my part) and watch him terrorize all concerned? AND that would likely appease Big as well with the opportunity to chase the QB all over the field?
HTTR.....[B]TG training camp is here![/B]

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[quote=rbanerjee23;714961]what are you talking about? How does AH standing up for what he think is right account for the fact that in actuality, what he did was not right? His decision was not a popular one because it was wrong. Don't forget, it was mandatory that he show up b/c it was specified in his contract.[/quote]

I'm talking about his decision being his. You may not like it, but it's not about you.

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I'm not saying the Redskins didn't say he would play NT but they also said LB & DB where ever he would fit best, I think the media made more out of it than anyone when they found out that's the one position he didn't like they kept saying it over & over again. IMO.


HTTR.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;714961]what are you talking about? How does AH standing up for what he think is right account for the fact that in actuality, what he did was not right? His decision was not a popular one because it was wrong. Don't forget, it was mandatory that he show up b/c it was specified in his contract.[/quote]

Plus, there's nothing in his contract that makes him obligated to attend voluntary workouts, had there been, the team would have been able to deal with him differently.