Teresa Lewis
 

So, how does everybody feel about killing a woman with an IQ barely above that of a German Shepherd?

Re: Teresa Lewis
 

[quote=davy;738124]So, how does everybody feel about killing a woman with an IQ barely above that of a German Shepherd?[/quote]

Good. She hired people to kill others. If she's smart enough to do that, she's smart enough to know it's wrong. And she's dangerous enough of a human being for me to feel not the least bit bad about seeing her die.

Re: Teresa Lewis
 

im a little bothered by the fact the triggermen both got off with life and there was sufficient evidence she was manipulated by a co-conspirator/triggerman into the "plot." there is no doubt she is guilty and to say she doesnt know right from wrong and didnt know the consequences is absurb.

The topic of death penalty is very interesting, but to argue its a deterrent for crime is an effing joke. Dont bring that garbage

Re: Teresa Lewis
 

I generally agree with you Chico with regards to the death penalty as not being a deterrent to murder. Anyone who does an act of murder that would rise to the level of a death penalty case such as "hostage-rape-then murder" situation is so far beyond a reasonable state of mind and thinking that the thought that they might be the death penalty would not enter their decision making process and act as a deterrent before they commit the act.

That being said, in the situaiton of "murder for hire" or "contract killing" i think the death penalty may have a deterrent in that the person doing the hiring isnt the crazed lunatic murderer but someone who is showing reasonable and calculated thoughts in how to commit murder without getting caught and without having the ability to kill another person.

In short, i dont think crazed rapist lunatic killers are deterred by the death penalty as they clearly have no reasonable thought but it is a deterrent to someone who is calculating, methodical and in hiring another to kill shows signs of reasonable thought to which the thought of the death penalty may deter them from actually acting.

But there are 2 types of deterrrents considered for criminal crimes.

One is general deterrent - someone who is considering on hiring someone to kill their husband and child may hear this news and be deterred from following through.

The second is specific detterent - you put a murdered to death, that specific murder will never murder again. although imo specific deterrent shouldnt really be considered in death penalty cases, it should be applied to crimes like DUI etc where if you punish someone hard enough the 1st or 2nd time on a DUI, that specific driver may be deterred from driving drunk in the future.

either way, isnt anyone who can kill another human being mentally incompetent? The act alone is evidence of crazy.

Re: Teresa Lewis
 

Problem with the death penality is that they allow it to drag on too long. If your 100% sure they did the crime then convict them and fry them while its still news. I don't even remember this case so how does it act as a deterrent.

Re: Teresa Lewis
 

[quote=Schneed10;738125]Good. [B]She hired people to kill others. If she's smart enough to do that, she's smart enough to know it's wrong.[/B] And she's dangerous enough of a human being for me to feel not the least bit bad about seeing her die.[/quote]

what he said....put her down!

Re: Teresa Lewis
 

[quote=firstdown;738163]Problem with the death penality is that they allow it to drag on too long. If your 100% sure they did the crime then convict them and fry them while its still news. [B]I don't even remember this case so how does it act as a deterrent[/B].[/quote]

if someone is currently thinking of hiring someone to kill their spouse, reading today's news may deter them from going thru with it.

Re: Teresa Lewis
 

If someone is crazy enough to actually consider hiring someone to off someone, I doubt a newspaper headline is going to really deter them all that much.

Re: Teresa Lewis
 

Does anybody think that the threat of punishment (through our justice system) up to and including death for a crime you might commit is.....NOT a deterrant?

Re: Teresa Lewis
 

[quote=over the mountain;738188]if someone is currently thinking of hiring someone to kill their spouse, reading today's news may deter them from going thru with it.[/quote]

your post above was cool, good stuff to think about. And the posting about "news headlines" not really what my post was about, but think you got that with the response. General topic of crime and punishment.

Re: Teresa Lewis
 

[quote=Mattyk;738196]If someone is crazy enough to actually consider hiring someone to off someone, I doubt a newspaper headline is going to really deter them all that much.[/quote]

lol, ya think

Re: Teresa Lewis
 

[quote=Hog1;738204]Does anybody think that the threat of punishment (through our justice system) up to and including death for a crime you might commit is.....NOT a deterrant?[/quote]

Well by what I see for some people its not. Our system is way too soft.

Re: Teresa Lewis
 

[quote=firstdown;738233]Well by what I see for some people its not. Our system is way too soft.[/quote]

I would concede there are those that cannot be brought back to sanity by any means known. You got your serial killers, mental defectives......Democrats
But for the rest, the threat of punishment keeps all of us from doing all kinds of unlawful stuff.

Re: Teresa Lewis
 

The death penalty is not a good deterrent...the numbers just don't support any claim that it is. If you want to deter people from committing heinous crimes combat poverty and invest more in education.

Some people just deserve to be murked...we just need to admit that to ourselves so we can stop pretending the death penalty is about justice and as means to deter others...it's pure unadulterated eye-poking revenge.

Re: Teresa Lewis
 

[quote=Hog1;738258]I would concede there are those that cannot be brought back to sanity by any means known. You got your serial killers, mental defectives......Democrats
[B]But for the rest, the threat of punishment keeps all of us from doing all kinds of unlawful stuff.[/B] [/quote]

I don't know if I agree with that. I think the vast majority of people don't do unlawful stuff because we know it's wrong -- you know, the Golden Rule. I wouldn't steal from someone not because I might get locked up, but because I wouldn't want anyone stealing from me.

I guess it all depends upon your outlook of human nature. I think most people are generally good.

Re: Teresa Lewis
 

[quote=Beemnseven;738292]I don't know if I agree with that. I think the vast majority of people don't do unlawful stuff because we know it's wrong -- you know, [B]the Golden Rule[/B]. I wouldn't steal from someone not because I might get locked up, but because I wouldn't want anyone stealing from me.

I guess it all depends upon your outlook of human nature. I think most people are generally good.[/quote]
I should have been more specific. Most of society would, as you say tow the line because that is what "they should do". I really refer to those who are so inclined to livin' on the edge and the only reason they don't go all in is fear of doin' time or worse.
I think it is demonstrated on the occasions that we have rioting in the states in this place or that. It is generally accompanied by looting as the chance of getting caught and punished greatly reduced.

Re: Teresa Lewis
 

[quote=saden1;738275]The death penalty is not a good deterrent...the numbers just don't support any claim that it is. If you want to deter people from committing heinous crimes combat poverty and invest more in education.

Some people just deserve to be murked...we just need to admit that to ourselves so we can stop pretending the death penalty is about justice and as means to deter others...it's pure unadulterated eye-poking revenge.[/quote]

I don't think we use the death penalty enough to know if its a deterrent. I mean whats the chance of someone getting executed?

Re: Teresa Lewis
 

I think the history of the world is scattered with loads of evidence that humans in general do anything and everything up to and including what they are ALLOWED to do. I find the notion that society in general is not deterred by lawful punishment to be silly. Of course it does. Humans are animals. We all fight for self survival..self interest. Every single thing we do is in our own self-interest. Without clear lines defined by laws and enforced through deterrents people in general would abuse the rights of others. Maybe A person could act with others in mind but give me a hundred people and most of them would go crazy.

Note: this is not a pontification on the deterrence offered by the death penalty...I generally agree it doesn't deter anything at all. The rate of deterrence is probably very variable and defined by the nature of the potential crime and the nature of the potential punishment. I bet we'd have a lot less people speeding if we killed them for it.

Re: Teresa Lewis
 

[quote=firstdown;738306]I don't think we use the death penalty enough to know if its a deterrent. I mean whats the chance of someone getting executed?[/quote]

Wow...your solution to the issue is to kill more people..so we can see if it works.

We use capital punishment in only the rarest of cases where there are aggravating circumstances. In general these crimes are either profound crimes of emotion or mental instability. It's hard to argue that people with impaired thinking or emotions can act with any level of reason. Numerous studies have shown this.

Re: Teresa Lewis
 

[quote=FRPLG;738307]I think the history of the world is scattered with loads of evidence that humans in general do anything and everything up to and including what they are ALLOWED to do. I find the notion that society in general is not deterred by lawful punishment to be silly. Of course it does. Humans are animals. We all fight for self survival..self interest. [B]Every single thing we do is in our own self-interest. Without clear lines defined by laws and enforced through deterrents people in general would abuse the rights of others.[/B] Maybe A person could act with others in mind but give me a hundred people and most of them would go crazy.

Note: this is not a pontification on the deterrence offered by the death penalty...I generally agree it doesn't deter anything at all. The rate of deterrence is probably very variable and defined by the nature of the potential crime and the nature of the potential punishment. I bet we'd have a lot less people speeding if we killed them for it.[/quote]

I do alot of stuff that has nothing to do with my self interest. I think kids learning right from wrong from their parent is a bigger deterrent then any laws.

Re: Teresa Lewis
 

[quote=Beemnseven;738292]I don't know if I agree with that. I think the vast majority of people don't do unlawful stuff because we know it's wrong -- you know, the Golden Rule. I wouldn't steal from someone not because I might get locked up, but because I wouldn't want anyone stealing from me.

I guess it all depends upon your outlook of human nature. I think most people are generally good.[/quote]

Speak for yourself, the second the law goes away, i'm going on a mother****ing rampage!
:FIREdevil



j/k

Re: Teresa Lewis
 

[quote=firstdown;738309]I do alot of stuff that has nothing to do with my self interest. I think kids learning right from wrong from their parent is a bigger deterrent then any laws.[/quote]

You do nothing that doesn't bring you some form of self-satisfaction on some level. Not one single thing.

Re: Teresa Lewis
 

[quote=FRPLG;738308]Wow...your solution to the issue is to kill more people..so we can see if it works.

We use capital punishment in only the rarest of cases where there are aggravating circumstances. In general these crimes are either profound crimes of emotion or mental instability. It's hard to argue that people with impaired thinking or emotions can act with any level of reason. Numerous studies have shown this.[/quote]

He's advocating we run this hip like the Saudis.

Re: Teresa Lewis
 

The Peace loving muslims???

Re: Teresa Lewis
 

[quote=Beemnseven;738292]I don't know if I agree with that. I think the vast majority of people don't do unlawful stuff because we know it's wrong -- you know, the Golden Rule. I wouldn't steal from someone not because I might get locked up, but because I wouldn't want anyone stealing from me.

I guess it all depends upon your outlook of human nature. I think most people are generally good.[/quote]

Totally opposite of that, I'm scared of the police and I'm a black female. Punishment definitely is the deterrent for me.

Reminds me of the Dave Chappelle stand up special, where he says, if a black guy tries to do something wrong an old black dude will pop out and say, "N*gga don't do that, that's 5 to 10. We know the laws and the penalties."

Re: Teresa Lewis
 

[quote=DynamiteRave;738366]Totally opposite of that, I'm scared of the police and I'm a black female. Punishment definitely is the deterrent for me.

Reminds me of the Dave Chappelle stand up special, where he says, if a black guy tries to do something wrong an old black dude will pop out and say, "N*gga don't do that, that's 5 to 10. We know the laws and the penalties."[/quote]

Are you scred of the police because of who they are or because your parent raised you to do the right thing and you just associate cops with getting in trouble? I think most people would do the correct thing even without cops. They might break little laws like speeding but not the crimes against other people.

Re: Teresa Lewis
 

She might be scared because of stories like [URL="http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2010/09/no-law-no-warrant-no-problem.html"]this[/URL], [URL="http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/os-police-break-senior-neck-20100919,0,7478099.story"]this[/URL], or maybe [URL="http://www.tbd.com/articles/2010/09/family-outraged-after-officer-shoots-dog-13692.html"]this.[/URL]

Re: Teresa Lewis
 

[quote=Hog1;738358]The Peace loving muslims???[/quote]


No, the strict ten commandments adhering Saudis...you know, where everything is punishable by death! You don't honor your mother and father? Death. You cheated on your your wife, I prescribe death! You're gay? No progress or progressives here...death! You get the death penalty, you get the death penalty, everyone gets the penalty!

Re: Teresa Lewis
 

^^ Unlike the English Inquisition: "So, what will it be .... Cake or Death!?"

Re: Teresa Lewis
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;738443]^^ Unlike the English Inquisition: "So, what will it be .... Cake or Death!?"[/quote]

LOL...Will I survive eating the cake?

Re: Teresa Lewis
 

I don't know, ask Eddie Izzard - it's his routine. F'ing hilarous.

Re: Teresa Lewis
 

[quote=saden1;738445]LOL...Will I survive eating the cake?[/quote]

You'll need a tray. :)

Re: Teresa Lewis
 

By the way, did anybody notice the irony of what she had to drink with her final meal?

Dr Pepper.

What's the worst that could happen?

Re: Teresa Lewis
 

[quote=saden1;738439]No, the strict ten commandments adhering Saudis...you know, where everything is punishable by death! You don't honor your mother and father? Death. You cheated on your your wife, I prescribe death! You're gay? No progress or progressives here...death! You get the death penalty, you get the death penalty, everyone gets the penalty![/quote]

NOT to worry, you can bear.....a little false witness, or some light coveting without fear of death. BUT gird your loins for the Despisement and scorn will surely follow.......

Re: Teresa Lewis
 

[quote=davy;738462]By the way, did anybody notice the irony of what she had to drink with her final meal?

Dr Pepper.

What's the worst that could happen?[/quote]

I love Dr Pepper.