do you think this is crazy
 

ok i think the turkey might be getting to me but, i think i'm having a apaphny....

this offseason i think we should trade samuels,cut brunnell, trade both gardner and betts, and trade ramesy


i think we can geta first for ramsey and w/ that pick take either the QB out of Cal or the guy from Louisv. keep hasselbeck, we need to cut the fat for 2006 NOW

Why would we trade Ramsey essentially for a rookie QB?? I mean theres no clear cut great QB's in this draft like last year. I would really hate to see somthing like that go down. Ramsey hasent been given a full chance to prove himself ( although he is about to get it ), theres no reason to trade him unless we are getting a proven commodity in return.

[QUOTE=Gmanc711]Why would we trade Ramsey essentially for a rookie QB?? I mean theres no clear cut great QB's in this draft like last year. I would really hate to see somthing like that go down. Ramsey hasent been given a full chance to prove himself ( although he is about to get it ), theres no reason to trade him unless we are getting a proven commodity in return.[/QUOTE]

SO what do you guys think of Drew Brees?

God Knows Fox was trying to pry 1 or both of our 1st round picks away from us before our very eyes to acquire Brees based on Henson's 1st half of his 1st start

What a joke...

I remember people on this board at the end of last season absolutely ripping Brees. Saying he didn't have the arm strength, etc. I like the guy as a QB, but he's nothing special.

[QUOTE=Daseal]I remember people on this board at the end of last season absolutely ripping Brees. Saying he didn't have the arm strength, etc. I like the guy as a QB, but he's nothing special.[/QUOTE]

I agree..I think he's a one year wonder and whomever is foolish enough to trade a 1st rounder to SD for him (if he is likely franchised) and give him a big contract....

Well, God Bless their GM who'll be looking for employment

[QUOTE=la73hof]I agree..I think he's a one year wonder and whomever is foolish enough to trade a 1st rounder to SD for him (if he is likely franchised) and give him a big contract....

Well, God Bless their GM who'll be looking for employment[/QUOTE]
well hell as much as I hate to say it were foolish enuff to do it,look what we did with brunell,at least bree's is young and can still play,it's too early too be discussing that shit anyway,hopefully gibbs will let ramsey finish out the season and then it will be time to discuss it based on his performance,we should be discussing who we can get to bolster the off line,thats where the problem is

Let Gibbs spend some time with Ramsey, he'll be much better for it. Dump Brunell and trade Gardner. Renegotiate Samuels way down.

Redskins fans sure are impatient cock-a-doodles. I say, trade nothing keep the team intact.

Tup crazy crazy crazy

I say that if we can resign everyone and still stay under the cap with the new TV Contract then we do that. Unfortunately, it will probably take some renegotiations with current contracts and players. Brunell is the first one to come to mind. Trading or cutting him would be pointless. We would take a huge cap hit on him and also have to find another QB. If we could get him to renegotiate or retire..that would be ideal. But I don't see either happening. Brunell knows that his career is over and has no pride and he will sit on the bench for the next few years until we finally can afford the cap hit. But I don't really blame Brunell too much, he is only doing what most NFL players do nowadays. Most washed up'd players would rather sit the bench and take a huge paycheck rather than negotiate or retire. It's all about the $.

The ideal scenario would be for all the Skins players who aren't playing up to their expectations and paycheck to give one up for the team. What I mean by this, is that they need to volunteer for a contract negotiation. And I don't mean dropping them to the league minimum, just reduce their contract enough for the Skins to make room for some more talent. I know I am living in a dream world and this is probably the dumbest thing I have ever said..but that would be the best situation. Players seem to be playing more for the $ and not for pride anymore and yes Skins have players that are guilty of this too. It is starting to look to me as if a large quantity of players would rather play a 16 game season, not go to the playoffs, and still receive a huge paycheck. Even though they say they want to win...their play doesn't always show it.

I know my feelings could be way off on this..but everytime a RB or QB signs a new multimillion dollar contract..then you have every other RB or QB with similar stats looking at them and saying they want the same thing.

Ok, I have gotten completely off topic and long winded again as usual and I am sorry for that. Truthfully, the cap situation is beyond any of our control and I just hope that some of the players step up and do what is right.

Keep our QB's. Sign a nasty o-lineman that can stay onsides.

I agree with dragon'. Trade for Brees or Kitna, maybe. I'm almost sure Gardner won't be here next year. And Morton, Barrow, and perhaps Daniels are on the bubble for being hurt and unproductive. Betts has the most trade value and one may speculate Simon could backup Portis when healthy. Looking forward to the draft, we could use a stalwart OT to fill Samuels spot (the dude just doesn't want to renegotiate his contract), pass rushing DE, G, CB, and PK/KR.

I would say keep the team, for the most part, intact. We need to do something on the offensive live, and getting Jansen back and healthy will improve 100%. He's our best player, hands down. The only places I would look now, is possibly Bettis and have a 1-2 punch with a true bruiser of a back. Get rid of Brunell in the least expensive way possible. Pick up Brees, Dilfer, Kitna or Fiedler and let Ramesy and the new QB fight for the job.

Minus a consistant QB and a decent offensive line, we have a really, really good team. Good depth at WR, great RB. Solid special teams play from Thrash. I'm not ready to blame the WRs for inconsistancy because I don't think anyone would open themselves up over and over again for injury to chase down Brunells ducks, and Ramesy hasn't had a true chance with the system. I mean, his 1st 2 starts are going to be Philly and Pittsburg. Funny enough though, if we can eek out a win against the Steelers (I think we match up well against them) and Philly at home (as long as the offense can score some points) we have a realistic playoff shot as our other games are Dallas, San Fransisco, New York (G) and Minnesota in week 17, which given Minnesota over the last few years, is like a gimme game.

In the draft, I would get Marcus Spears (DE) from LSU

definitely get rid of brunell, trade gardener for picks and call me crazy if you want to but I say trade arrington, the skins have had the #1 defense pretty much all year without him, he seems to be hurt alot the past couple seasons and IMO he has not lived up to his potential

no way do the skins trade arrington. he's been the best defensive player the skins have had since he was drafted. as far as him living up to his potential, i think he has, espacially when you consider he hasn't played for the same d-coordinator since he's been here ( 5 in 5 years ). he is also a leader on d, he's a game breaker, he creates turnovers, he's a pro-bowler. the skins d is good without him and their keeping the games close but with arrington the d would be great and possibly winning games rather than just keeping them close. no way do we trade arrington.

I just don't think Brunell is going anywhere. If we cut him after July 1, we are going to have to eat 6-7 million in dead cap room in 2006, when most of the salaries on the team will escalate.

I am not sure if we would trade Samuels right now, but I don't think its a terrible idea. He hasn't really lived up to his salary.

Gardiner should definately be traded. He has been dropping passes since he got here and I'm just sick of it.

Ramsey is not going to be traded. There is just no way its going to happen.

I think Ramsey will be our guy at least through next season...I feel before we can write him off, he needs a full season starting under Gibbs' system...unless he plays as bad as Brunell which I don't think any other QB in the league could play that badly...except for Henson (hehe j/k.) The WRs is a question mark right now. Coles is still our best receiver, but he's going to have to be healthy to make an impact. Gardner has the ability if he would just catch the freakin' ball more! Portis is okay, but what I have said before is that we need a big fullback for those 3 and short plays....Portis is best on 1st and 2nd down. Maybe trade LB for a big Bettis size FB and upgrade the OL. Get our injured starters back on the line and bring in some huge guys to reinstall the jumble package that Gibbs used in the 80's (heavy jumble which he got from John Madden.) Face it guys...our offense is going to be mostly ball control..running to set up the pass so we might as well work on getting the OL repaired first....and developing the QBs and WRs that we have right now.

Lavar is a great player, but is health a concern? it doesnt matter how good you are if you arent on the field.....

A drastic overhaul isn't needed.

Minimal changes is what I'd like to see.

[QUOTE=skinsguy]I think Ramsey will be our guy at least through next season...I feel before we can write him off, he needs a full season starting under Gibbs' system...unless he plays as bad as Brunell which I don't think any other QB in the league could play that badly...except for Henson (hehe j/k.) The WRs is a question mark right now. Coles is still our best receiver, but he's going to have to be healthy to make an impact. Gardner has the ability if he would just catch the freakin' ball more! Portis is okay, but what I have said before is that we need a big fullback for those 3 and short plays....Portis is best on 1st and 2nd down. Maybe trade LB for a big Bettis size FB and upgrade the OL. Get our injured starters back on the line and bring in some huge guys to reinstall the jumble package that Gibbs used in the 80's (heavy jumble which he got from John Madden.) Face it guys...our offense is going to be mostly ball control..running to set up the pass so we might as well work on getting the OL repaired first....and developing the QBs and WRs that we have right now.[/QUOTE]


JUMBO package. :D

Stacey Mack could be cheap.

You don't have to trade for Brees if you want him. He will be a free agent. All you have to do is to make him a higher offer than anyone else does.

Would I do that? No.

minimal changes... getting another QB is so clearly foolish that i wouldnt expect anyone to even mention it. unless ramsey gets horribly injured or just stinks it up supremely, there's no reason why he shudnt be at the helm next season. d-line mostly... any other little fixes would be nice. what we need is time with the same crew. that's it.

I really wonder if the Chargers will find a way to keep Brees.

They're in a tough spot, Brees has finally become the QB they invisioned when he was drafted and they just spent another high first round pick on Rivers.

It would suck for them to just let Brees walk, maybe they'll try to work some sort of sign and trade deal.

Trade LaVar, trade Samuels, trade Gardner, Ramsey, Betts hell why not Jansen and Smoot while you are at it? We cannot go chopping and changing players every year and then scratch our heads as to why we always loose.

Bailey was an abberation he flat out didn't want to be here which is why we used him to trade for Portis and really the teams overal talent didn't go down because of the change but I really hope it is not a yearly thing that we trade franchise players.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I really wonder if the Chargers will find a way to keep Brees.

They're in a tough spot, Brees has finally become the QB they invisioned when he was drafted and they just spent another high first round pick on Rivers.

It would suck for them to just let Brees walk, maybe they'll try to work some sort of sign and trade deal.[/QUOTE]


They are in a tight spot, I don't see why Bree's would do a sign and trade unless he's restricted? If so then probably, if not then why let someone else dictate where you are going to play? Who know's they may deciede to keep Bree's and trade River's, the Charger's will be a serious contender next year with Bree's, can we say that about River's? If Bree's get's this team into the playoff's and perform's well during the post season I wouldn't be surprised if they traded River's especially after his anything but pleasant holdout to start the season, it would also give the charger's a little leverage to sign Bree's, I would think he would like nothing more than to stick it in River's ear, he would also be playing in an offense he know's, and is comfortable running, food for thought.

[QUOTE=wolfeskins]no way do the skins trade arrington. he's been the best defensive player the skins have had since he was drafted. as far as him living up to his potential, i think he has, espacially when you consider he hasn't played for the same d-coordinator since he's been here ( 5 in 5 years ). he is also a leader on d, he's a game breaker, he creates turnovers, he's a pro-bowler. the skins d is good without him and their keeping the games close but with arrington the d would be great and possibly winning games rather than just keeping them close. no way do we trade arrington.[/QUOTE]


Arrington in the game is the difference between recovering a fumble & recovering a fumble for a TD; difference between Mcnabb scrambling out of the pocket & running for 10+ yards or Mcnabb taking a sack for a loss of yards.

The Skins need Arrington healthy & happy :D

Keep the team intact for another season. Draft smart, & build a better o-line for 05 & then we can see who's the weakest link(s).

Happy Holiday ;)

[QUOTE=offiss]They are in a tight spot, I don't see why Bree's would do a sign and trade unless he's restricted? If so then probably, if not then why let someone else dictate where you are going to play? Who know's they may deciede to keep Bree's and trade River's, the Charger's will be a serious contender next year with Bree's, can we say that about River's? If Bree's get's this team into the playoff's and perform's well during the post season I wouldn't be surprised if they traded River's especially after his anything but pleasant holdout to start the season, it would also give the charger's a little leverage to sign Bree's, I would think he would like nothing more than to stick it in River's ear, he would also be playing in an offense he know's, and is comfortable running, food for thought.[/QUOTE]
If they were to do some sort of sign and trade I'd imagine to make it work Brees himself would have to have some say in where he goes.

The Chargers are in a tough situation, one that I wouldn't want to be in that's for sure.

Drew Brees is proof that a little patience can work. He has been in the same system for a few years now, and is finally coming on. Yeah, it has taken longer than they had planned, but who's to say the same type of thing can't happen with Ramsey a year sooner??? No one knows, and the only way to find out is to just let him play.
This team, AND IT'S FANS has to get rid of the quick fix mentality! Our QB situation is fine how it is. We need to have patience. Yeah, it sucks this year, but the whole point in Gibbs coming back was to bring stability, and switching QB's every year is not the way to do that.

QB really isnt that pressing right now... ramsey's not peyton, but he's hitting most of his throws and avoiding bad calls well, so now the focus is back to the Oline blocking and WR drops and lack of seperation... it obvious now that brunell was a problem and that ramsey should have started at least 3 weeks earlier, but its also obvious that gibbs wasn't fibbing when he said there were other problems as well.

[QUOTE=SkinsRock]Drew Brees is proof that a little patience can work. He has been in the same system for a few years now, and is finally coming on. Yeah, it has taken longer than they had planned, but who's to say the same type of thing can't happen with Ramsey a year sooner??? No one knows, and the only way to find out is to just let him play.
This team, AND IT'S FANS has to get rid of the quick fix mentality! Our QB situation is fine how it is. We need to have patience. Yeah, it sucks this year, but the whole point in Gibbs coming back was to bring stability, and switching QB's every year is not the way to do that.[/QUOTE]
I couldn't agree more.

Marty is having success in San Diego because the front office has stuck with him and given him a realistic chance to turn things around.

Nowadays in the NFL it's like if you can't win in 1 or 2 years the fans are ready to ride you outta town.

Quick fixes rarely work, we should be experts on this topic by now.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I couldn't agree more.


Nowadays in the NFL it's like if you can't win in 1 or 2 years the fans are ready to ride you outta town.
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Same could be said about the sports media as well....

Even a guy in my Calc class this morning at the University told me that he heard on Sports Center that Gibbs is going to step down after this season. I find it hard to believe and until I hear it coming out of Gibbs' mouth I'm going to consider it nothing but fodder.

I am having a hard time understanding why people seem to be supporting Ramsey so much. Why? What exactly has he done that makes people think he will be able to lead this team to the playoffs and beyond? Has he show anything other than being able to throw the ball far (arm strength means nothing if you can't get it anywhere near your receivers)? As far as Drew Brees is concerned - one good year - that's it. If he comes here, he will have no Gates to throw to and a group of erceivers who can't get open and when they do - they drop the ball. Signing him would be a huge mistake. He would have to learn a new offense and would probably not be very effective.

I say:

1. HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER -BYE BYE VINNY
2. Get rid of Samuels - he is not worth half his money
3. The Gardner era is OVER - trade him for whatever we can get for him
4. Dump Morton - he is getting paid to return for 5 yards a punt (it seems like 5 yards)
5. Sign Smoot, period.
6. Draft O-LINE, namely Elton Brown from Virginia.
7. Trade for Matt Schaub - he will be a very good QB in this league - why not for us?

Any thoughts????????????

I am not sure as to why you think that Schaub will be good in this league? I mean you say what has Pat Ramsey done, well let me ask what has Schaub done? Correct me if I am wrong, but Schaub ran a west coast O in college, and when he had all of his success in the pre-season, remember it was only pre-season.

Nothing against Schaub, who knows he may become a great player, but anyhow I am not sure if you noticed that since Ramsey took over for an ineffective Brunell our offense does at least move the ball, now I understand that we are still having troubles on offense, but before you come down on Ramsey look and see how may times he hits the recievers in the hands and they still drop the ball.

LOL yeah let's start over with another QB, an unknown commodity is what we need, Ramsey is clearly not going to develop, I mean c'mon he's had 18 career starts. That's more than enough time to turn into a superstar. :rolleyes:

I'm tired of the quick fixes and always looking at other teams' rosters, let's stick with what we've got and stop with starting over every other year at QB.

ramsey's done but somehow schaub is the answer? sorry, but i don't think so...

Hopefully, the last 2 games and the remaining 5 games will give Gibbs and the offensive assistant coaches enough film of Ramsey for them to decide if he is indeed the long-term answer at QB - or if they need to do something else at that position. That's almost a half a season of film for them to study; and they need to have an answer mapped out in their minds as the FA season begins.

The reason for that is simple. If Joe Gibbs and Co. are going to coach this team for the next 5 years, and IF this coaching staff is not comfortable with Ramsey at QB, then they have to have a contingency plan developed.

Personally, I think the jury is still out on Ramsey and I'm looking for improvement to start showing as he gets more rhythm from playing and as he goes up against some "lesser defenses" such as SF and Dallas. And the improvement I'm looking for is not necessarily in the stat sheet. I want to see him calm in the pocket and delivering the ball with a full body motion and follow through that hits the receiver on the run. He didn't do that much against Philly and Pitts even with a short passing game. Granted, those defenses were on him like ugly on an ape, but I want to see him play like that when the "lesser defenses" show up on the schedule.

[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]Hopefully, the last 2 games and the remaining 5 games will give Gibbs and the offensive assistant coaches enough film of Ramsey for them to decide if he is indeed the long-term answer at QB - or if they need to do something else at that position. That's almost a half a season of film for them to study; and they need to have an answer mapped out in their minds as the FA season begins.

The reason for that is simple. If Joe Gibbs and Co. are going to coach this team for the next 5 years, and IF this coaching staff is not comfortable with Ramsey at QB, then they have to have a contingency plan developed.

Personally, I think the jury is still out on Ramsey and I'm looking for improvement to start showing as he gets more rhythm from playing and as he goes up against some "lesser defenses" such as SF and Dallas. And the improvement I'm looking for is not necessarily in the stat sheet. I want to see him calm in the pocket and delivering the ball with a full body motion and follow through that hits the receiver on the run. He didn't do that much against Philly and Pitts even with a short passing game. Granted, those defenses were on him like ugly on an ape, but I want to see him play like that when the "lesser defenses" show up on the schedule.[/QUOTE]You said it right there at the end, the D was all over him on most of his throws against Philly and especially against Pitt, I'd say under the circumstances he did a pretty decent job.

He certainly didn't turn in to the interception machine that some people swore he was going to.

Considering how bad he looked all preseason, I think he's come a long way.

He hasn't exactly stepped in to an ideal situation here either. It's an offense that's struggled all year, WR's can't seem to catch anything, the offensive line is decimated by injuries, the running game has sputtered, etc.

Schaub
 

Matt Schaub did a fine job at UVA (where my sister attended school), I have seen him play over the years there. Though take into consideration that he is simply a rookie who is not developed yet. I can also say that regardless of him being smart and effective in the college ranks the jury is still out on him in the pros as he is not a tested commidity. We picked up Brunell (actually Gibbs did, though I still love him anyhow) without being able to truly test his abilities, it does not seem reasonable to rush to judgement when we still have quality time to examine what we have. I think that Ramsey thus far has done a fine job under the circumstances. Hopefully he will continue to develop as a quarterback.

[QUOTE=Taylor Rules]I am having a hard time understanding why people seem to be supporting Ramsey so much. Why? What exactly has he done that makes people think he will be able to lead this team to the playoffs and beyond? Has he show anything other than being able to throw the ball far (arm strength means nothing if you can't get it anywhere near your receivers)? As far as Drew Brees is concerned - one good year - that's it. If he comes here, he will have no Gates to throw to and a group of erceivers who can't get open and when they do - they drop the ball. Signing him would be a huge mistake. He would have to learn a new offense and would probably not be very effective.

I say:

1. HIRE A GENERAL MANAGER -BYE BYE VINNY
2. Get rid of Samuels - he is not worth half his money
3. The Gardner era is OVER - trade him for whatever we can get for him
4. Dump Morton - he is getting paid to return for 5 yards a punt (it seems like 5 yards)
5. Sign Smoot, period.
6. Draft O-LINE, namely Elton Brown from Virginia.
7. Trade for Matt Schaub - he will be a very good QB in this league - why not for us?

Any thoughts????????????[/QUOTE]

i think i sense a little UVA bias there...