Smoot Lays The Smack Down (Redskins at Eagles)
 

First and foremost we came out fighting after looking so week last week. Now we're 2-0 in the division including a road win. That's huge. Nonetheless time to lay some smack down.

[B]Stephon Heyer[/B] I'm not sure I can even blame him anymore. He's trying his best out there. It's the coaches who keep believing in him and putting him out there that I blame.

[B]Mike Sellers[/B] A fullback who can't block, can't catch, and instead of powering over guys when he does catch a ball does some weird hybrid Nehemiah-Baryshnikov impersonation. Just power over the guy already.

[B]Screen to Banks on 3rd and goal from the 3[/B] Uh...no

[B]Torain's Blocking[/B] I may be the biggest ATV fan here but I'm not blind to his piss poor blocking. He needs to do much better if he's going to be our feature back.

[B]Carlos Rogers[/B] Twice already you should have sealed a win with an INT. Take a cue from MeAngelo and learn to catch the damn ball already.

[B]Donovan McNabb[/B] I expect smarter decisions from a veteran franchise QB. Stay in bounds, don't throw dumb INTs and I really believe there were times our receivers could have made plays had McNabb been quicker to find him

[B]GameDay Thread[/B] We didnt trail the entire game and won s huge game on the road against a division opponent yet the whole thread was about how much we suck and we were destined to lose the game. Even a post-game Positives thread is peppered with negatives and how we're just lucky, yet somehow bad luck never has anything to do with our losses. Are we really so incapable of enjoying a win, even an in-game lead? Sure seems that way

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I totally avoided the game thread today because I had a feeling it would be chuck full of whining and complaining. The game was much more enjoyable to watch that way. :)

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[B]ES using ATV -[/B] My nickname for Torrain was stolen without so much as acknowledging my creative genius. This is unforgivable.

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Huge win!

And Banks should not be on the field when we're near the goal line.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;742641][B]ES using ATV -[/B] My nickname for Torrain was stolen. This is unforgivable.[/quote]

LOL. When did it become your nickname for him? And I think since you can't even spell his real name right you don't get dibs in his nickname

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I hear you SS. I'm so amped after ANY win, and we beat the Eagles in a HUGE game! And people are saying they're not sold on this team... C'mon man!

Revel in this victory, we have all week to talk bout the negatives... a win is a win

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[quote=SmootSmack;742647]LOL. When did it become your nickname for him? And I think since you can't even spell his real name right you don't get dibs in his nickname[/quote]

No, I said Torrain needs a nickname. And you said how about ATV? Therefore I came up with the nickname, not you.

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[quote=Mattyk;742639]I totally avoided the game thread today because I had a feeling it would be chuck full of whining and complaining. The game was much more enjoyable to watch that way. :)[/quote]

Yeah me too, last week was brutal on this site

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We have issues but in all honesty...we're so different as a team than we have been the last two years. There's just zero way we win a game like that under Zorn. We HAVE to get better all over the place but we don't look so completely inept as to depress me.

I think Heyer is about as decent a backup tackle there is. He isn't good but how many teams having starting level tackles on the bench?

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It is annoying how quiet things are after a win.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;742642]Huge win!

And Banks should not be on the field when we're near the goal line.[/quote]

Great point.

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Yeah I am fan of getting Banks on the field. Not in the red zone though. We need to use him in a Desean Jackson way. DJ doesn't catch a lot of TDs in the red zone.

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Love the win! Only lingering issue is it drives me nuts that Kyle gets 'creative' in the red zone. Try that junk on 2nd and 4 from the 45 yard line, not from the 3..

Matty, I'm with you.. I haven't spent very much time around these parts recently, but I avoid the game day thread because I'd rather enjoy a win than read armchair GMs dissect each and every player and their role.

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ONe of my biggest bones to pick ... Sellers almost fumbled on the leap over Samuels, then he had butterfingers again on the next drive that should have lead to an INT. I have no faith in him late in games

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I am so stoked after this win. We beat Philly in their house. Huzzah!

I'm more positive about Heyer. While his penalties were killers (especially two when the play was to the other side of the field - doh!), Trent Cole was a nonfactor. I'm not saying that he's ready for the Pro Bowl but my estimation of him has risen.

Sundberg, however, scares me more than ever as a long snapper. The last two weeks he's gotten away with some bad snaps but sooner or later he's going to kill us.

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I must admit that I was being super negative in the game thread. It was just so upsetting seeing a team so dominant in the first half fall flat on its face offensively in the second half. Just for once I'd like to see a steady flow of good offensive drives and being able to put games away (esp on the road).

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Dboyz is more of a Skins fan than some that frequent the game day thread.....rough.
Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water.............

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[B]Stupidity:[/B] Some Skins "fans" are really out there with their expectations and criticisms. While some may have valid points I think we are overlooking the fact that this team is in rebuilding mode from a decade of crap. That takes a while. We should be absolutely thrilled our team is .500 and 2-0 in the East. Well done Skins.

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[quote=SmootSmack;742635]...[B]Screen to Banks on 3rd and goal from the 3[/B] Uh...no
[/quote]I almost threw something at the TV when our boy wonder OC started calling plays for Banks on [B]1st and goal from the 3[/B], after Portis and Torrain had been gashing the Eagles D for about 6 yards per carry to that point. Young Shanny still leaves a lot to desire on Red Zone play calls. Here's a hint - if the opposing D has shown no ability to slow the running attack, GO SMASHMOUTH when it's 1st and goal inside the 5!!!

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[quote=SouperMeister;742711]I almost threw something at the TV when our boy wonder OC started calling plays for Banks on 1st and goal from the 3, after Portis and Torrain had been gashing the Eagles D for about 6 yards per carry to that point. Young Shanny still leaves a lot to desire on Red Zone play calls. Here's a hint - if the opposing D has shown no ability to slow the running attack, [SIZE=4][B]GO SMASHMOUTH when it's 1st and goal inside the 5!!![/B][/SIZE][/quote]

I agree, why not run at the 3? Makes no sense. I was excited we got the first at the 3 because I said hey we have 3 downs to run it up the gut and score. Horrible play calling at a time when the game could have been sealed.

Overall, however, I am very pleased with how we played.

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Well today the way I look at it we had some positives and some negatives. The positives are why we won the game but the negatives could just have easily been the reason we lost the game. And I'm honestly still getting adjusted to how different this team looks from what we've been accustomed to seeing these last few years. I'm enjoying this win until midnight and then it's on to next week, and if we expect to beat the Packers we have a lot of work to do.

Stephon Heyer is getting a weekly spot in this thread, and it's mainly because he's such a 50/50 guy. He has his bright spots, like blocking good on some plays, and then he has his negatives, like holding guys who he just isn't talented enough to block, and his false starts, which always come at bad times.

And the offense needs work too. The running game was working today, but McNabb didn't capitalize in the second half. 3 points over the last 3 quarters usually means a losing effort, but we had a huge first quarter which gave us the cushion we needed. Consistency on offense is what we need. We aren't going to win like this every week. We got lucky when Kolb had to come in for Vick.

Defense did good today but I would've not liked to see Kolb waltz down the field at the end there to score a touchdown to bring it closer and make that final drive actually worth something.

Carlos Rogers, well what else is there to say? You catch that ball and game is over. I don't know why he has such horrible hands. I don't know who he needs to take lessons from, but something needs to be done. Time to bring back Stickum?

It's not even worth mentioning Mike Sellers anymore. If Mike Sellers and Stephon Heyer are gone in the offseason I won't be complaining. They are almost permanent presences on this list. Stephon isn't for lack of effort, he's just not that good, and I feel his negatives outweigh his positives. And Mike Sellers is in the same boat. Everything that used to be a positive about him is now such a negative.

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If only Los could catch

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[quote=hooskins;742708][B]Stupidity:[/B] Some Skins "fans" are really out there with their expectations and criticisms. While some may have valid points I think we are overlooking the fact that this team is in rebuilding mode from a decade of crap. That takes a while. We should be absolutely thrilled our team is .500 and 2-0 in the East. Well done Skins.[/quote]

Agreed. The main problem with some folks comes down to expectations.

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[quote=SouperMeister;742711]I almost threw something at the TV when our boy wonder OC started calling plays for Banks on [B]1st and goal from the 3[/B], after Portis and Torrain had been gashing the Eagles D for about 6 yards per carry to that point. Young Shanny still leaves a lot to desire on Red Zone play calls. Here's a hint - if the opposing D has shown no ability to slow the running attack, GO SMASHMOUTH when it's 1st and goal inside the 5!!![/quote]

Yep. Shanny Jr. is good at designing plays, but not at calling them.

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Huge win.

But as far as smack goes, the failure of the Redskins for the last 5 years at least to EVER ice a game on offense. It kills me. DMac going out of bounds. A false start. Missed WIDE OPEN short passes. A long bomb when we just need 7 yards. And then the shanked punt everyone KNEW was coming. Come on! A few more yards and we take a knee on Philly's home turf. Instead, we're plagued with negativity and doubt. We get that first down and everyone feels better, even with all the same stats.

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Good call JW. What the heck was up with Bidwell's shanks? Was he hurt? I thought this guy was suppose to be the consistent punter to solve our woes.

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[quote=hooskins;742733]Good call JW. What the heck was up with Bidwell's shanks? Was he hurt? I thought this guy was suppose to be the consistent punter to solve our woes.[/quote]

That was Hunter Smith. I don't know if Bidwell has scandalous pictures of Bruce Allen hidden away or what, but clearly he has a choke hold on this job.

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[quote=hooskins;742708][B]Stupidity:[/B] Some Skins "fans" are really out there with their expectations and criticisms. While some may have valid points I think we are overlooking the fact that this team is in rebuilding mode from a decade of crap. That takes a while. We should be absolutely thrilled our team is .500 and 2-0 in the East. Well done Skins.[/quote]

:food-smil:goodjob:

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[quote=JWsleep;742729]Huge win.

But as far as smack goes, the failure of the Redskins for the last 5 years at least to EVER ice a game on offense. It kills me. DMac going out of bounds. A false start. Missed WIDE OPEN short passes. A long bomb when we just need 7 yards. And then the shanked punt everyone KNEW was coming. Come on! A few more yards and we take a knee on Philly's home turf. Instead, we're plagued with negativity and doubt. We get that first down and everyone feels better, even with all the same stats.[/quote]Great post, well said. If I want to get my heart rate up it should be from running around the block, not sitting in front of the Skins game.

Thanks KS & DMac

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[quote=Mattyk;742721]Agreed. The main problem with some folks comes down to expectations.[/quote]

I will admit I do have a problem reigning in expectations. Part of it is seeing coaches come in in their first year coaching a team and making a huge turnaround. Mike Smith of ATL and Tony Sparano of the Dolphins come to mind. Sean Payton comes to mind as well, taking the Saints from 3-13 in '05 to 10-6 and an NFC championship game in '06. The Jets impressed under Rex Ryan last season as well.

This league today has seen a lot of teams make quick turnarounds in their first year of coaching and part of it is the reason why expectations run so high in the first year of new coaching. I would love to see a playoff run this season but at the same time I have to know that we were so bad last year that I can't just demand it to happen. And this 3-4 looks more and more like it's going to take time.

One of the reasons I was so optimistic about the 3-4 this season is seeing the transition the Packers made. I believe they switched to the 3-4 before last season began and they made a huge leap and were one of the statistically better defenses last season despite it being the first year of their transition. So I felt like if they could it why not us? Seeing our defense get shredded the last two weeks before today has definitely reigned in my expectations but I don't want to believe it's going to take 2-3 seasons before we can be a great 3-4 defense. We definitely don't have all the personnel we need for it right now but we have improved from last week to this week. In the end it doesn't matter, we have been inconsistent from week to week, but in the end winning games hides inconsistency and bad play.

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I am sorry that I want and expect more from this team. Is it too much to ask for them to put together a whole game? they are playing like shit...there iys no denting that. Are they making progress? Sure. Is that good enough for this team to go anywhere? I don't see it.

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Mooby, GB switched to the 34 last year and struggled early on.

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But they never trailed the entire game. The played physical football with two of their starting OL out for most of the game, if not all. They shut down one of the best playmakers in the game. They won a tough road against a division opponent, and apparently all that is overlooked and ignored. With very few exceptions every winning team has to win a few games like this. It's not always complete game cakewalks.

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I told anyone who would listen to me that the Eagles would lose.

One: we always play good in Philly for some reason.
Two: McNabb was going to play good no matter what.
Three: The Eagles just aren't that good, even with Vick playing out of his mind.

That being said, Heyer is dogshit. And it is about effing time they play Haynesworth more and it is about effing time they play more 4 man fronts.

If we were lucky to beat Dallas, we were just as unlucky to lose to the Texans, so whatever.

We are #1 in the East and have been for 3 out of 4 weeks. So it is what it is. We are probably losing next week but I would bet a lot of $ that we play hard.

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The negativity is due to over a decade of promising seasons going down the drain. To be honest, the kool aid folks help set the tone. You get a ton of hurrahs and SB dreams every preseason that is full of optimism due to a new regime, players, etc, and of course this season is going to be different stuff. A lot of folks were stoked over Norv, Marty, Spurrier, Gibbs coming back, and even Zorn, along with the assorted free agents over that time period and draft picks. I mean come on, this team has been a tremendous tease with all the changes and flashes of being an excellent team even in losing seasons, only to let us all down. ANd yeah, I am glad we won, and will take a W anyway we can, but you have to admit this game for both teams was really ugly offensively. When your hotshot probowl QB ends up with a 60 QB rating, it wasn't a productive day.

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[quote=saden1;742743]I am sorry that I want and expect more from this team. Is it too much to ask for them to put together a whole game? they are playing like shit...there iys no denting that. Are they making progress? Sure. Is that good enough for this team to go anywhere? I don't see it.[/quote]

I would love for this team to "go anywhere" but that's not realistic this season. I think we are talented and we could make the playoffs, but that's a big could. I don't think we are ready on the personnel and cohesion level to make it. Hence why I am not saying this team should make it. They could.

I don't understand how we can be upset if we see clear improvement from last year, knowing we are in a rebuilding phase. Everything that happened pre-Allen/Shanny is the past. Learn from the mistakes and move on to the future. It starts with rebuilding, acquiring talent and giving the players a chance to succeed. A chance involves several full seasons and not a judgment after 4 games, especially if you are 2-0 in the NFC East.

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You just have to realize this is a game that in the grand scheme of things doesn't affect any of us.

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[quote=Mattyk;742745]Mooby, GB switched to the 34 last year and struggled early on.[/quote]

I wasn't aware of that, but did they struggle enough to blow a 17 point lead and were also nearly last in yards given up and 10 play drives given up?

Now granted we're only 4 weeks in and there's a lot of football left to be played, but so far we experienced more of a dropoff than I figured. Some of what I've seen is poor tackling, some I feel is the result of overthinking and being too slow to react, but I didn't think it would be this bad.

Like I said before there's plenty of football left to be played and they did play much improved d today, so I'm not going to judge them too harshly anymore. I'm probably gonna hold my tongue for the rest of the season in fact because I feel like there isn't a good enough sample size to accurately judge what kind of defense we will have for the rest of the season.

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[quote=SmootSmack;742750]But they never trailed the entire game. The played physical football with two of their starting OL out for most of the game, if not all. They shut down one of the best playmakers in the game. They won a tough road against a division opponent, and apparently all that is overlooked and ignored. With very few exceptions every winning team has to win a few games like this. It's not always complete game cakewalks.[/quote]

It was a quality division win, on the road no less.

A game we would have had no shot at winning last year.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;742755]The negativity is due to over a decade of promising seasons going down the drain. To be honest, the kool aid folks help set the tone. You get a ton of hurrahs and SB dreams every preseason that is full of optimism due to a new regime, players, etc, and of course this season is going to be different stuff. A lot of folks were stoked over Norv, Marty, Spurrier, Gibbs coming back, and even Zorn, along with the assorted free agents over that time period and draft picks. I mean come on, this team has been a tremendous tease with all the changes and flashes of being an excellent team even in losing seasons, only to let us all down. ANd yeah, I am glad we won, and will take a W anyway we can, but you have to admit this game for both teams was really ugly offensively. When your hotshot probowl QB ends up with a 60 QB rating, it wasn't a productive day.[/quote]

There is a lot of truth in this. They pumped the beginning of the season up to unbelievable levels then we choke against the Texans and get sodomized by another rookie Qb. The FO has created a ridiculous expectations consistently.