Possible Reason for Carlos's Problems?
 

I was listening to ESPN 980 today and they were talking, think it was five guys, could be mistaken. Don't know who they all were, know one was Doc and I think the other one was Kevin Sheehan.

Anyways, they were talking all sports as usual and they read one email from I believe what was an ex quarterback. He believes that the problem with Carlos Rogers might be lack of depth perception.

I was wondering does anyone think this might be a problem? I mean it seems like it could be one in all seriousness. The man did say his was so bad at some points he couldn't even put the toothpaste on the toothbrush.

Personally I think his problem is brick hands, but anyone think this might be a possible reason to his interception problems?

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I don't think it would be a vision-related issue, because he can cover very well most of the time.

Does he have small hands? They're definitely not "soft" in the way announcers and scouts describe WRs' hands when they can catch well.

I think it's just something he can't do.

I'm white and can't jump. He's a CB and can't catch.

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B Mitch was talking about depth perception last night as well. I would imagine he has been checked but who knows. I am with Insane though, the guy just has hands of bricks.
If he wants the big pay day he is going to have to learn to catch some damn balls.

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[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depth_perception]Depth perception - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

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I think this is all mental. They say he catches everything in practice and pre-game but for some reason in the game he just can't do it.

He is just a real good corner who will catch about 1 out of every 7 balls that hit his hands.

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He needs "Hypnotherapy" I think it's called...

Pretend it's a roll of toilet paper or a chicken wing,like bobby buchea(spell?) in waterboy...

God,that would be some funny shxx...lol

I can see coach Shanny now" Alright Carlos,I want you to see yourself at your cousins BBQ.....You know that real good casserole your Aunt bobbie makes?...and those delicious Rolls? Pretend this football is one of those rolls!...now go get it boy!!"

Damn...he'd be snatchin' that ball out of the air like Dick "Night Train" Lane.

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How about some guys just have bad hands??

Darrell Green didn't have great hands either. He wasn't as bad as Rogers, but some guys simply can't catch well.

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[quote=TheSmurfs22;743276]B Mitch was talking about depth perception last night as well. I would imagine he has been checked but who knows. I am with Insane though, the guy just has hands of bricks.
If he wants the big pay day he is going to have to learn to catch some damn balls.[/quote]


He might have an astigmatism. I have one and the older I got it was harder and took longer for me to focus on fast moving balls, whether tennis balls, footballs, etc. It isn't hard for me to catch stuff like fade routes playing pick up football, but any quick hit directly to me I have a real hard time focusing in on it. I have a hard time believing it is just his hands, the pick he should have had yesterday was in his hands. He has a hard time focusing on quick objects that are unexpected maybe.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;743302]He is just a real good corner who will catch about 1 out of every 7 balls that hit his hands.[/quote]

I don't know if I'd put him in the real good category, simply because he still seems to bite a little too much on the double move.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;743302]I think this is all mental. They say he catches everything in practice and pre-game but for some reason in the game he just can't do it.

[B]He is just a real good corner who will catch about 1 out of every 7 balls that hit his hands[/B].[/quote]For Rogers, 1 out of 7 is incredibly generous, and even those that he does catch are either balls that were tipped up or his own bobbles. I can't remember the last INT that Rogers caught cleanly. Easily the worst hands I've ever seen for a CB, which is saying something.

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[quote=Mattyk;743342]How about some guys just have bad hands??
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Bingo.
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I want to believe bmitch. I mean in the Houston game didnt it hit him in the head? You just dont miss like that.

The pick last night was stupid easy. Wasn't any zip, he had the perfect read, right in his hands as he was in stride.

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I think the depth perception thing is reading too far into it. NFL players are required to pass all sorts of medical testing, and I'm sure vision is one of them. If he does have vision issues, I'm sure we would have heard about it one way or another by now. Either he would have used it as an excuse for dropping all those picks, or the team would have leaked it as an excuse not to pay him big $.

He can cover pretty well, but the ball just bounces off his hands. He doesn't show any other issues on the field that would be symptomatic of depth perception problems. I think he just has iron thumbs.

Regardless, I'm certainly not going to be amongst the folks that continue to make excuses for him. Imagine if he would've hung on to even half of the picks that hit him in the hands? Dude would have his big contract and probably a pro-bowl or two in his pocket, not to mention we would have likely beaten the Seahawks in the playoffs that year...

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[quote=Mattyk;743342]How about some guys just have bad hands??

Darrell Green didn't have great hands either. He wasn't as bad as Rogers, but some guys simply can't catch well.[/quote]

I was about to say. While people are trying to come up with detailed multi-layered armchair diagnosis, the fact of the matter is the guy isn't good at catching.

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[quote=SouperMeister;743364]For Rogers, 1 out of 7 is incredibly generous, and even those that he does catch are either balls that were tipped up or his own bobbles. I can't remember the last INT that Rogers caught cleanly. Easily the worst hands I've ever seen for a CB, which is saying something.[/quote]

The Lions game in 07'

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He just can't catch plain and simple.

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You guys don't know yet,but everything is just being set up for a Carlos Rogers Super Bowl INT return for a TD.

Down 31-26 with 5:00 to go...
Sanchez drops back to hit Edwards and BOOM! Rogers steps in front and takes it to the house....lol

He reminds me of that dude in that Gene Hackman football movie...
That WR they had to put super glue on his hands...super fast,but couldn't catch...lol

"Coach...I can't wear this...it looks like I jacked off an elephant"
lololbwahahaha

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What ever the reason it has to be as frustrating to him as it is to the fans. The biggest problem is when its one that could put away a game and he can't pull in the ball.

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if he had great hands he would be on the offense. i would like the turnovers but if he can keep knocking the ball down then good for us. however if you get hit in the hands with the ball.... come on, catch it.

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aceinthehouse, 14-2....? ill take anything over .500 this year. we have alot of improving to do, not to mention one tough schedule. oct. 10, Green Bay oct. 17, Indianapolis oct. 24, Chicago. detroit TEN JAC and TB, kinda easy if we dont look over them, dallas and philli again and the giants twice still.

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All three of Carlos' interception chances have come from the slot this year, with him (eventually) making the catch on just one ball.

This is changing the subject a bit, but I think our scheme needs a dominant coverage safety more than any nose tackle or rush linebacker. Kareem Moore just isn't good enough, I don't think. We've received better-than-adequate play from our corners, and have a pretty consistently below average (certainly no better than average) pass defense.

Most completions in the void I mark as "hole in zone" and then chart the corner who had the first read. But it's really not so much the corner's fault if he's playing outside leverage in a cover three. If the free safety isn't instinctive enough and tough enough to punish receivers and offenses for throwing the same dig pattern over and over, offenses aren't going to stop doing it.

Oh, and Carlos Rogers can't catch.

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There may be some truth to los having one bad eye. I was hit with a baseball bat to my left eye 8-9 years ago, had to have facial reconstructive surgery, screws, plates and a plastic thing right under my eyeball to hold it in place.

About 2 years ago I had to renew my license. On the vision test I couldnt read any of the lines and had to guess. The lady was going to fail me.

She asked if I ever had an eye injury, I told her about my injury. Then she suggested I try it with just one eye. I closed my left eye and looked only through my right, BAM I could read every line very clearly. she passed me. I was estatic and shocked. I didnt know that if i closed my bad eye, my vision was back to perfect, i just never tried it before.

so, los could have a problem in one eye and not know it. i didnt know it, i just thought my eye sight was going bad naturally b/c of all the reading i did/do.

there is truth to having one bad eye and vision problems and the person doesnt even know it.

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[quote=GMScud;743390]I think the depth perception thing is reading too far into it. NFL players are required to pass all sorts of medical testing, and I'm sure vision is one of them. If he does have vision issues, I'm sure we would have heard about it one way or another by now. Either he would have used it as an excuse for dropping all those picks, or the team would have leaked it as an excuse not to pay him big $.

He can cover pretty well, but the ball just bounces off his hands. He doesn't show any other issues on the field that would be symptomatic of depth perception problems. I think he just has iron thumbs.

Regardless, I'm certainly not going to be amongst the folks that continue to make excuses for him. Imagine if he would've hung on to even half of the picks that hit him in the hands? Dude would have his big contract and probably a pro-bowl or two in his pocket, not to mention we would have likely beaten the Seahawks in the playoffs that year...[/quote]

Agreed, the team would know if there was some sort of correctable medical issue. Most vision problems can be corrected with surgery or even with contacts.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;743396]The Lions game in 07'[/quote]And he's conservatively had 15 balls hit him squarely in the hands since then without a clean pick. D. Hall might not tackle or cover as well, but at least he make plays. Rogers would have bobbled the Tashard Choice fumble out of bounds in the Dallas game.

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Maybe he's a homophobe and does'nt want anyone to see him touching balls.

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[quote=aceinthehouse;743464]You guys don't know yet,but everything is just being set up for a Carlos Rogers Super Bowl INT return for a TD.

Down 31-26 with 5:00 to go...
Sanchez drops back to hit Edwards and BOOM! Rogers steps in front and takes it to the house....lol

He reminds me of that dude in that Gene Hackman football movie...
That WR they had to put super glue on his hands...super fast,but couldn't catch...lol

"Coach...I can't wear this...it looks like I jacked off an elephant"
lololbwahahaha[/quote]

I'll never forgive him for dropping that pick 6 aginst seattle in a playoff game in 05, could've changed everything.

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^ :doh:




Did he grow up in a house full of sisters...no brothers to play sports with? Maybe his mother hugged him TOO MUCH.

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[quote=GMScud;743390]I think the depth perception thing is reading too far into it. NFL players are required to pass all sorts of medical testing, and I'm sure vision is one of them. If he does have vision issues, I'm sure we would have heard about it one way or another by now.[/quote]

True, but aren't these all done by the Redskins staff? Remember Adam Archuleta? Didn't they say he was 100% fine even though he still had that back injury?

Don't trust our team doctors too much.

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Im surprised that we hear about players just being diagnosed with abnormal heart beats and what not when theyve been in the league for awhile. Thats something I always thought an nfl team would notice right away when they do physicals/health check ups, etc. yet players play in the league for years without knowing it or being diagnosed with it.

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That seems to go undiagnosed all of the time in athletes. Hank Gathers comes to mind right away and Reggie Evans from the Celtics.


Gaines Adams made it all the way to the NFL before discovering it too, retiring early rather than a worse fate.





[URL="http://deadspin.com/5484153/we-could-prevent-another-hank-gathers-heres-why-we-dont"]We Could Prevent Another Hank Gathers. Here's Why We Don't.[/URL]



edit: actually, after reading the article...Gathers knew about his and apparently didn't take his medication....sad.

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Rogers did get that juggled INT last week. He simply panics in game situation...in other words, he's a choker!

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[quote=horse;743597]I'll never forgive him for dropping that pick 6 against Seattle in a playoff game in 05, could've changed everything.[/quote]Yeah, remembering that makes me mad. I rarely see the life get sucked out of a place as I did the night of that loss.

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[quote=InsaneBoost;743266]I was listening to ESPN 980 today and they were talking, think it was five guys, could be mistaken. Don't know who they all were, know one was Doc and I think the other one was Kevin Sheehan.

Anyways, they were talking all sports as usual and they read one email from I believe what was an ex quarterback. He believes that the problem with Carlos Rogers might be lack of depth perception.

I was wondering does anyone think this might be a problem? I mean it seems like it could be one in all seriousness. The man did say his was so bad at some points he couldn't even put the toothpaste on the toothbrush.

Personally I think his problem is brick hands, but anyone think this might be a possible reason to his interception problems?[/quote]

I played WR and DB in High school with a terrible astigmatism. I was the fast guy that couldn't catch. The trouble was that my glasses and goggles would not fit properly under the helmet which caused them to fog up. Most of the time this would cause me to have to play without them. I kept dropping balls on the practice field and in games but was a stud when I played against the same guys on the sandlot.

Even going into my adulthood I had absolutly zero problems catching the ball when playing with the guys or playing for my flag football teams while wearing my glasses. I firmly believe that it was vision issues namely "depth perception" that cause my problems in high school. I can believe that Carlos has some similar issues as well.

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I just think dude can't catch, and just plain gets nervous when the ball comes his way. Its a different thing to make plays on defense, ie tackle, sack, pass defended (which all of 'los'picks end up being anyways), but a whole other monster to have the pigskin IN YOUR hands, and everyone in football kingdom expects you to do something with it. When all eyes are on carlos, it just seems like he gets way too nervous, and can't just shrug the excitement and anxiety off. It definitely translates into his play, which I think does not bode well for the Redskins come playoff time and he is expected to make a play. Shit, he has already cost us one playoff game already. We are gifted with playoff appearances way too rarely to let Rogers finicky nerves come between us and a W.


That being said, I also think that had he caught just 25% of the passes that he should have, he would be considered one of the best players on our defense, and definitely pro bowl material.

He needs to take a que from Cooley, and go on that carrot regimine.

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his schiavo hands kill me every week dude.

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[quote=horse;743597]I'll never forgive him for dropping that pick 6 aginst seattle in a playoff game in 05, could've changed everything.[/quote]

He also dropped one against rapistberger in '08.

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I heard an NFL analyst report the same thing last year. It could explain things. If he can't judge how close the ball is, unless it hits him in the belly, it will hit his hands and bounce off. My question is--In these days of NFL testing eveything in combines. How the hell didn't our scouts pick up on this. Ooops!!

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[quote=nephron22;743738]I heard an NFL analyst report the same thing last year. It could explain things. If he can't judge how close the ball is, unless it hits him in the belly, it will hit his hands and bounce off. My question is--In these days of NFL testing eveything in combines. How the hell didn't our scouts pick up on this. Ooops!![/quote]

You really think the have an eye doctor at the combine?

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You would think if it was a vision problem, that he would also have a problem catching them in practice. From what I remember hearing/reading is that he has no problems catching them in practice, so I'm leaning towards the choke artist theory.