On Brian Orakpo and holding
 

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He would probably be leading the league in sacks if it weren't for all the holding.

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I liked the idea of holding having an option for a loss of down penalty that someone else brought up, especially if it was done to prevent a sack.

Some of the non-calls are really bad, but as the article states, it probably could be called every play.

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Orakpo or the coaches need to get more vocal with the officials,[I] the squeaky wheel gets the oil. [/I]

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[quote=mredskins;743867]Orakpo or the coaches need to get more vocal with the officials,[I] the squeaky wheel gets the oil. [/I][/quote]I don't see Orakpo as the type to get in an official's face, but I certainly wouldn't mind Shanahan or Haslett doing it on his behalf. I hope to see Haynesworth get more play at DE next to Orakpo - that will certainly lead to more QB pressures and sacks.

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Or he needs to start flailing when held and make it impossible to NOT call. Make it obvious, Rak. When teams have to stop holding because they're racking up hold calls...demolish their QB. He did this somewhat on the Columbo hold on the last play vs. Dallas.

I thought having the umpire as a second official in the backfield would increase the hold calls they catch, but that hasn't been the case yet. Orakpo is getting held around the throat on most plays.

The officials are doing a better job of containing him than opposing linemen.

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Funny comment from the article: "Jason Peters was all like, 'Ocrapko!'"

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From the article:

[quote]"I never hold," center Casey Rabach told me. "It's against the rules. Obviously."[/quote]


This IS obvious. :pffff:

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Making a deal out of it in the media is the best thing that acn be done. If he becomes the "Most Held Guy" in the NFL then officials will start to pay more attention to it. The last thing the league wants is Fox putting together montages of holds on Orakpo that they run in the middle of th 4th quarter every Sunday during a Skins game.

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[quote=FRPLG;743911]Making a deal out of it in the media is the best thing that acn be done. If he becomes the "Most Held Guy" in the NFL then officials will start to pay more attention to it. The last thing the league wants is Fox putting together montages of holds on Orakpo that they run in the middle of th 4th quarter every Sunday during a Skins game.[/quote]

Word...let the sacks pile up!!!

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Se the sig

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He would probably be leading the league in sacks if it weren't for all the holding.[/quote]



Ok, now lets go back and see how many times a Redskin O linemen did the same thing to stop a sack of McNabb?This is the same complaint every great pass rusher has had over the years ...Reggie White was held all the time,LT....go back and watch some of the old tapes of Joe Jacoby and LT...they have to fight their way through it.Orakpo is a great pass rusher he just needs to find a way though it.

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May be my bias but I don't see it happen nearly as often on the Skins line.

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Yeah and every time heyer gets put in the game, he racks up at least two or three holding calls..

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[quote=Buster;743888]From the article:




This IS obvious. :pffff:[/quote]

the way he plays, maybe he should hold a little more...

also orakpo would not be leading the league is sacks because EVERYONE gets held

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Orakpo is so, SO good. No idea how we got him with the 13th overall pick in the draft, considering how scrutinized the process was.

Buffalo got to see all the tape on Orakpo at Texas, and STILL took Aaron Maybin (likely, though, that was a marketing-driven move instead of a football driven-move). And people are going to blame the coaching/quarterback situation for that team's struggles.

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[quote=GTripp0012;744242]Orakpo is so, SO good. No idea how we got him with the 13th overall pick in the draft, considering how scrutinized the process was.

Buffalo got to see all the tape on Orakpo at Texas, and STILL took Aaron Maybin (likely, though, that was a marketing-driven move instead of a football driven-move). And people are going to blame the coaching/quarterback situation for that team's struggles.[/quote]

I think Ralph Wilson had such an astounding record of drafting or signing Texas busts that he simply decided he wasn't going to grab another Longhorn for the rest of his life.

See:
Mike Williams
Derrick Dockery
Jason Peters
etc

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[quote=Meks;744211]Se the sig[/quote]

I think the NBA could prove you wrong on that one, but it IS bad...especially this year.

They made a change that should have improved it (ump in backfield) and it worsened their performance.

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[quote=GTripp0012;744242]Orakpo is so, SO good. No idea how we got him with the 13th overall pick in the draft, considering how scrutinized the process was.

Buffalo got to see all the tape on Orakpo at Texas, and STILL took Aaron Maybin (likely, though, that was a marketing-driven move instead of a football driven-move). And people are going to blame the coaching/quarterback situation for that team's struggles.[/quote]

He should NOT have been there for us...we were incredibly lucky.

I wonder if Paul Posluszny had some say in that draft pick...fellow "Linebacker University" alumni.

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[quote=skinster;744240]the way he plays, maybe he should hold a little more...

also orakpo would not be leading the league is sacks because EVERYONE gets held[/quote]
^This^. How many sacks would D. Ware, Suggs, J. Allen, Mario Williams, and countless others have if they weren't held all the time? One thing I've noticed that Rak is starting to do is too much whining to the refs. He has to learn how to use his arms to keep the o-lineman from easily grabbing him. Rak just runs right into their bodies most times. Elite pass rushers don't whine or look for bailouts, they just get better to get it done.

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[quote=LavaRnChad;744370]^This^. How many sacks would D. Ware, Suggs, J. Allen, Mario Williams, and countless others have if they weren't held all the time? One thing I've noticed that Rak is starting to do is too much whining to the refs. He has to learn how to use his arms to keep the o-lineman from easily grabbing him. Rak just runs right into their bodies most times. Elite pass rushers don't whine or look for bailouts, they just get better to get it done.[/quote]

You go to bed alone most nights don't you?

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[quote=LavaRnChad;744370]^This^. How many sacks would D. Ware, Suggs, J. Allen, Mario Williams, and countless others have if they weren't held all the time? One thing I've noticed that Rak is starting to do is too much whining to the refs. He has to learn how to use his arms to keep the o-lineman from easily grabbing him. Rak just runs right into their bodies most times. Elite pass rushers don't whine or look for bailouts, they just get better to get it done.[/quote]

Maybe I'm taking crazy pills but I haven't seen him whine one time...

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;744379]Maybe I'm taking crazy pills but I haven't seen him whine one time...[/quote]

Me either.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;744379]Maybe I'm taking crazy pills but I haven't seen him whine one time...[/quote]

Well I've been to both home games this year and I've seen him. Even B-Mitch said he would like to see Rak "worry less about missed calls and learn how to not be held" during one of the Post Game shows. He's young so he will be fine. It's all a learning experience for him. Oh yeah, don't take crazy pills.

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In today's post:

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/07/AR2010100704670.html?hpid=moreheadlines]washingtonpost.com[/url]

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[quote=LavaRnChad;744392]Well I've been to both home games this year and I've seen him. Even B-Mitch said he would like to see Rak "worry less about missed calls and learn how to not be held" during one of the Post Game shows. He's young so he will be fine. It's all a learning experience for him. Oh yeah, don't take crazy pills.[/quote]

Yeah because B_Mitch knows so much about not being held. Everything he says should be taken with a grain of salt. He just has that little part of him that likes to hate.

Orakpo doesn't complain enough...it is everyone else making a deal out of it.

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When you beat your man around the corner and he clotheslines you in a last ditch desperation effort, I'm really not sure how Rak is supposed to "fight through". And I'm not sure why some view drawing all the holding calls as a negative.

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[quote=skinster;744240]the way he plays, maybe he should hold a little more...

also orakpo would not be leading the league is sacks because EVERYONE gets held[/quote]

Not everyone is getting the calls like Rak. He's drawn 5 holding calls, more than the top sack guys Matthews and Phillips.

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[quote=freddyg12;744538]In today's post:

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/07/AR2010100704670.html?hpid=moreheadlines"]washingtonpost.com[/URL][/quote]

Was going to point that out. Seems pretty humble to me...

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[quote=Mattyk;744564]When you beat your man around the corner and he clotheslines you in a last ditch desperation effort, I'm really not sure how Rak is supposed to "fight through". And I'm not sure why some view drawing all the holding calls as a negative.[/quote]


.......as I said look back at some old LT and Joe Jacoby film.

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[quote=Mattyk;744564]When you beat your man around the corner and he clotheslines you in a last ditch desperation effort, I'm really not sure how Rak is supposed to "fight through". And I'm not sure why some view drawing all the holding calls as a negative.[/quote]

It's three elite passrushers that he can watch and learn from... D-Ware, T. Suggs, and Freeney. When these guys get around their man, they do this low lean underneath the tackle's outside shoulder. When Rak beats his man, he is rushing around the end standing too high. That's how he winds up getting clothslined. Once he learns to hit the corner LEANING LOW, then he too will become an elite passrusher.

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[quote=Mattyk;744565]Not everyone is getting the calls like Rak. He's drawn 5 holding calls, more than the top sack guys Matthews and Phillips.[/quote]

The holding stat can be misleading because of the different variables. If other passrushers played against the same tackles (especially the NFL's worst Alex Barron) and in front of the same officiating groups as Rak did, would they have forced the same amount of holding calls? Maybe more? Maybe less? It can't be determined, that's why the forced holding stat is useless when comparing player to player.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;743866]I liked [B]the idea of holding having an option for a loss of down penalty that someone else brought up, especially if it was done to prevent a sack. [/B]

Some of the non-calls are really bad, but as the article states, it probably could be called every play.[/quote]

I really like this idea. The problem is it will never happen because the NFL owners would never pass such a rule. It goes against everything they are trying to do. The NFL is becoming a flag football league where passing is glorified and running the ball is seen as boring, rules are made so QB's and receivers are overly protected.

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[quote=Defensewins;744734]I really like this idea. The problem is it will never happen because the NFL owners would never pass such a rule. It goes against everything they are trying to do. The NFL is becoming a flag football league where passing is glorified and running the ball is seen as boring, rules are made so QB's and receivers are overly protected.[/quote]

You can blame Bill Polian for the illegal contact rule. I hope we smash the Colts in just like we did to Buffalo in the Super Bowl. Hit Manning like a rag doll, run all over them, etc so those sorry ass finessers feel the might of SMASHMOUTH FOOTBALL.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;744735]You can blame Bill Polian for the illegal contact rule. I hope we smash the Colts in just like we did to Buffalo in the Super Bowl. Hit Manning like a rag doll, run all over them, etc so those sorry ass finessers feel the might of SMASHMOUTH FOOTBALL.[/quote]

Hell Yeah!
Finessers should stick to watch golf or Canadian football, which is what we are becoming. Leave NFL football alone...or better yet go back to the pre-1992 rules. Back when football was for men and the finessers work in their garden on Sunday's with their wives.

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Rak is also averaging 4 hurries per game. Let's see how we can pick apart and discredit that stat shall we?

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;744735]You can blame Bill Polian for the illegal contact rule. I hope we smash the Colts in just like we did to Buffalo in the Super Bowl. Hit Manning like a rag doll, run all over them, etc so those sorry ass finessers feel the might of SMASHMOUTH FOOTBALL.[/quote]

:woot: Well you sure as hell fired me up! Bring on the freakin' Packers !!!

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[quote=Mattyk;744741]Rak is also averaging 4 hurries per game. Let's see how we can pick apart and discredit that stat shall we?[/quote]

No argument with you with the QB hurries, because that is a LEGIT stat.

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while it's nice he is getting some holding calls, he needs to learn how to get off those holds and get a sack, which will come in time. rak is still learning this is only his 5th game in his second season. he will be a sack machine and a perrenial pro bowler in due time, he is too gifted and focused to not succeed. i really think he is gonna have a multiple sack game tomorrow against green bay too.

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[quote=LavaRnChad;744728]It's three elite passrushers that he can watch and learn from... D-Ware, T. Suggs, and Freeney. When these guys get around their man, they do this low lean underneath the tackle's outside shoulder. When Rak beats his man, he is rushing around the end standing too high. That's how he winds up getting clothslined. Once he learns to hit the corner LEANING LOW, then he too will become an elite passrusher.[/quote]


.........or three of the best in the history of the NFL...........[B]Derrick Thomas,LT and Reggie White[/B]

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[quote=Giantone;744808].........or three of the best in the history of the NFL...........[B]Derrick Thomas,LT and Reggie White[/B][/quote] Reggie White didn't need a lean. He could just maul you like a bear. Lol!