Does our Front Office make the right decisions?
 

Guess who is the leading reciever after week 5... Brandon Lloyd! Lloyd was released before he ever got a true shot here. A player who was said to not be good enough in Washington to get on the field or get any balls thrown his way. Now the number 1 guy in Denver and the NFL (stats wise).

I think Shanahan dropped the ball on Thomas, but only time will tell. My question for discussion is do you think we are on the right path?

I think the skins have a problem. Davis should see more balls come his way. Galloway should not be here at all. I happy we are winning but I do question the motives of staff. What do you think?

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too hard to say this early and cutting lloyd was the previous front office. but i would throw roydel williams in there with galloway, neither of them should be in the nfl right now

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It's easy to second guess our front office when Lloyd blows up in Denver, but this is what, 3 years after we released him? He might just be having a career year or maybe this is a permanent thing. Either way hindsight is always 20/20. Devin Thomas might go on to be a dependable wideout for the Panthers. Or Jimmy Clausen could continue stinking the joint up and that'll be the last we ever hear about him.

Remember when we cut Walt Harris back in the day (I think it was after 07?) When he was with us, he stunk up the joint. He was starting for us back in the day but I always felt the lower he was on the depth chart the better. Well the year after we released him he went to San Fransisco, had like 6 picks and went to the Pro Bowl. And then I think since then he's been injured and he probably retired, or maybe he's with a team but low on the depth chart by now.

My whole point is, at the time I thought cutting him was the right move, and then he went to the Pro Bowl with SF the year after that, but since then hasn't done anything. One man's trash can be another man's treasure. He may have had one good season after we cut him, but at the end of the day nobody knows how things will work out. It's not a matter of whether he's a good player, because anybody can be a good player with the right scheme and talent around them, it's just a matter of circumstance.

With all that being said I don't question the motives of staff when we are winning. Do you think anybody in the locker room was wishing for DT after the win yesterday? It was just a case of Lloyd not being a good fit for us while he was here and since then it's taken him 3 years before now he's getting his shot and proving he's still a good player. I'm not mad we released him, because it wasn't going to work out here.

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Agreed the last front office make knee jerk reactions based on what fans and the media said. Shanny makes moves based on his ego. What happened with DT and Haynesworth should not have gone this far. Not to mention the moves of Parker and Larry Johnson it really make you wonder...

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Give me a break...Given the chance I would cut that lazy part time player son of a bitch again and again and again and again.

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Was this thread just for you to say "I told you so" on Brandon Lloyd?

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[quote=diehardskin2982;746579]Agreed the last front office make knee jerk reactions based on what fans and the media said. Shanny makes moves based on his ego. What [B]happened with DT and Haynesworth should not have gone this far. Not to mention the moves of Parker and Larry Johnson it really make you wonder[/B]...[/quote]

it really does only time will tell though. i think the most frustrating thing this year is that everything is in house. last year we knew everythign that was going on in there even the stuff we shouldn't have like sellars and cp.

you are right though they are some very questionable moves and shanny has always been a big ego thats ultimitly what lost his job in denver imo. he got into a pissing war w plummer and threw in cutler and never got back on track and now neither shanny or cutler are in denver

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That right Smooty my boy! lol

j/k I wonder sometimes things that happen in Ashburn is because of pride and ego's more than honest evaluation.

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[quote=mlmdub130;746586]it really does only time will tell though. i[B] think the most frustrating thing this year is that everything is in house. [/B]last year we knew everythign that was going on in there even the stuff we shouldn't have like sellars and cp.

you are right though they are some very questionable moves and shanny has always been a big ego thats ultimitly what lost his job in denver imo. he got into a pissing war w plummer and threw in cutler and never got back on track and now neither shanny or cutler are in denver[/quote]

Yeah, heaven forbid they should keep issues in house

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[quote=SmootSmack;746589]Yeah, heaven forbid they should keep issues in house[/quote]

What a novel idea..... I think the fans and every other NFL GM should know what we are doing before we do it. This makes for much better forum talk.

Why would this ever be a good idea?

(**sarcasm**)

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We paid him too well. He had no incentive to focus on football back then. Now he does.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;746573]Guess who is the leading reciever after week 5... Brandon Lloyd! Lloyd was released before he ever got a true shot here. A player who was said to not be good enough in Washington to get on the field or get any balls thrown his way. Now the number 1 guy in Denver and the NFL (stats wise).

I think Shanahan dropped the ball on Thomas, but only time will tell. My question for discussion is do you think we are on the right path?

I think the skins have a problem. Davis should see more balls come his way. Galloway should not be here at all. I happy we are winning but I do question the motives of staff. What do you think?[/quote]

As for Lloyd, it is not as if he left us and immediately set the NFL on fire elsewhere. There was a gap of more than 2 years when he didn't do much of anything. So my question to you is, how many years should a player (who is not a developing rookie) wastefully occupy a valuable roster spot?

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[quote=SmootSmack;746583]Was this thread just for you to say "I told you so" on Brandon Lloyd?[/quote]


This is what happens when Folks "Drink the Kool Aid" This guy hasn't done shit his whole career and he has 5! Thats right 5 good games and people think he's all of the sudden a SUPERSTAR Lmao..

:benched:

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I held out hope forever on Brandon Lloyd. When it comes to it, sometimes I think situation is just as important for players as skill. Especially at positions like WR. I kinda wish I had a time machine and I could put players on different teams and see how their careers pan out.

Just like work environment for us. If you've been in a work environment that doesn't suit your skills -- then it's had to perform up to your capabilities.

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What does Brandon Lloyd have to do with Allen and Shanahan?

Absolutely nothing.

:smashfrea

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[quote=saden1;746582]Give me a break...Given the chance I would cut that lazy part time player son of a bitch again and again and again and again.[/quote]

Agreed, this thread is retarted.

If you wanna make this case at least use someone like Pierce (who was instrumental in taking our divisional rivals to a Super Bowl title), or even someone like Ryan Clark. But Brandon F Lloyd?? Please child... :stop:

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Lloyd is on his 2nd team since leaving here. It's only taken him 8 years to get on track. How long should we have held on to him??

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Yea and we really made mistakes cutting Adam Archuleta and Rod Gardner, those guys are destroying the National Flag Football League of America..

Actually on a serious note, Adam's wife is smokin

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[quote=diehardskin2982;746579]Agreed the last front office make knee jerk reactions based on what fans and the media said. Shanny makes moves based on his ego. What happened with DT and Haynesworth should not have gone this far. [B]Not to mention the moves of Parker and Larry Johnson it really make you wonder..[/B].[/quote]

What's there to wonder about those moves??

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[quote=skinsfaninok;746613]Yea and we really made mistakes cutting Adam Archuleta and Rod Gardner, those guys are destroying the National Flag Football League of America..

Actually on a serious note, Adam's wife is smokin

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Yes, Yes she is...

Way to save the thread OKI!

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Lol figured that would help it out

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Only time will tell if our new FO is worth a damn. 5 games in isn't a long enough time frame to even really ask the question this thread asks. So far they have made decent decisions for the predicament they were cast into, which is a team short on depth and overall talent. Were they the right ones? We will find out at the end of the season and over the next 2-3 seasons.

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[quote=Mattyk;746617]What's there to wonder about those moves??[/quote]

not sure about the parker move but i would say there is some questions to be raised about risking atv to the practice squad and keeping lj even though atv outperformed lj in the preaseason, but luckily it worked out for us. kinda the running theme so far season, which is a nice change

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[quote=Mattyk;746617]What's there to wonder about those moves??[/quote]

Nothing. This FO has done just about everything right, and has breathed life into a franchise that was about dead.

I am proud to be a fan of my beloved Redskins again. :food-smil

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why sign Parker and LJ in the first place and not give them a true opportunity to thrive.

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Because the younger guys proved to be the better options?

Both guys had all offseason and camp to win jobs, how much longer of an opportunity should they have gotten?

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yeah, they had their time to prove something to the coaches. If we need them, I know the FO would not be shy to sign them back.

Another thing if these 2 guys are so good, why are they still on the street looking for work like me?

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[quote=GusFrerotte;746624]Only time will tell if our new FO is worth a damn. 5 games in isn't a long enough time frame to even really ask the question this thread asks. So far they have made decent decisions for the predicament they were cast into, which is a team short on depth and overall talent. Were they the right ones? We will find out at the end of the season and over the next 2-3 seasons.[/quote]

That's true. There are many more decisions to be made, decisions that can only be judged over time and we've had the opportunity to witness either their success or their failure.

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it took several years after his release from us to make an impact in this league. the bears also cut him since we had him. hes always been a talented player, but its his attitude that was the problem. kind of a pointless argument here imo.

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I may not like there moves but at the end of the day I have faith in our FO.

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Screw that!! Vinny and I want back in! Lmao j/k

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If we missed on anything it was not bringing LT.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;746653]why sign Parker and LJ in the first place and not give them a true opportunity to thrive.[/quote]

So you don't think the coaches could watch them in practice and then in preseason. Both players knew what was on the line.

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Shanny said he wanted competition at every position and that is what has happened. Players who were drafted high and felt some sense of entitlement learned early that their positions were not safe if they did not put the work in. The message was clear and consistent. Allen and Shanny have a tough job. They are trying to change the culture at Redskin park. There will be casualties. For every Devin Thomas that doesn't have the work ethic, he will be shown the door. That presents great opportunities for over-achievers like Anthony Armstrong or Brandon Banks.

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I'll chime in and think of the decision that i think the previous front offense made mistakes with:

I think Ladell Betts should have been kept here and allowed a chance to start. I thought the signing of Jason Taylor was dumb. I think signing Haynesworth to such a HUGE deal was a mistake. Signing Archuleta was boneheaded. Brunell should have stayed the starter here for the remainder of 2006, maybe 2007 if he won the job. They should have traded CP when there was still a market for him...ok im outta breath now.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;746573]Guess who is the leading reciever after week 5... Brandon Lloyd! [B]Lloyd was released before he ever got a true shot here.[/B] A player who was said to not be good enough in Washington to get on the field or get any balls thrown his way. Now the number 1 guy in Denver and the NFL (stats wise).

I think Shanahan dropped the ball on Thomas, but only time will tell. My question for discussion is do you think we are on the right path?

I think the skins have a problem. Davis should see more balls come his way. Galloway should not be here at all. I happy we are winning but I do question the motives of staff. What do you think?[/quote]Back to the original post in this thread, Brandon Lloyd was a knucklehead when we got him. San Fran was glad to get rid of him, yet we willingly gave up a 3rd and a 4th for him. Making matters worse, we tore up the final year of his contract, and handed him a $10M signing bonus before he ever played a down as a Redskin. For the record, Lloyd started 12 games here in 2006, and only caught 23 passes (zero TDs). He was given a true shot here, certainly moreso than Devin Thomas, and he blew it.

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[quote=SouperMeister;747052]Back to the original post in this thread, Brandon Lloyd was a knucklehead when we got him. San Fran was glad to get rid of him, yet we willingly gave up a 3rd and a 4th for him. Making matters worse, we tore up the final year of his contract, and handed him a $10M signing bonus before he ever played a down as a Redskin. For the record, Lloyd started 12 games here in 2006, and only caught 23 passes (zero TDs). He was given a true shot here, certainly moreso than Devin Thomas, and he blew it.[/quote]

Beat me to it, Loyd was given all the opportunity he could ask for. He was an absolute debacle here, and likely contributed to the chemistry problems that the team had in that dreadful 06 season.

So B. Loyd has put up #s through 5 games. that doesn't mean he's worth the trouble. Maybe he has grown up & is a good teamate, or maybe he'll become a problem by demanding more $. There are plenty of good, even great, wr's that teams have gotten rid of because they aren't worth the trouble - TO, Marshall, Moss, etc. According to JLC, Loyd was a pain here, and without any production!

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[quote=diehardskin2982;746653]why sign Parker and LJ in the first place and not give them a true opportunity to thrive.[/quote]

Were Shanny and Allen supposed to extend the hours of a day, or of a game so they could get more of a shot?

I think the fact that they had an entire off season with the team, and the fact they each of them was given at least one game as a starter in the preseason means they did get a true opportunity.

Not everyone can work out. Theyre supposed to take their chances when they had them and all signs point to them not doing that. Not to mention that they were both up there in age.


This is really a lame thread and an even worse example (Brandon Lloyd)

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[quote=diehardskin2982;746588]That right Smooty my boy! lol

j/k I wonder sometimes things that happen in Ashburn is because of pride and ego's more than honest evaluation.[/quote]

Let's not kid ourselves, Lloyd is the only reason you started this thread. Dont think you would have started this thread in June

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[quote=skinsfaninok;746604]This is what happens when Folks "Drink the Kool Aid" This guy hasn't done shit his whole career and he has 5! Thats right 5 good games and people think he's all of the sudden a SUPERSTAR Lmao..

:benched:[/quote]

Thats a true statement. But on a lighter note atleast when people are convinced to drink Brandon Lloyd's Kool-Aid they don't Die lol.


can't post a link yet but you know Waco texas and those cults .. :food-smil kool-aid yumm..