Redskins Have An All-Time Record In Their Sights
 

The Redskins defense is giving up 420 yards per game thru 6 games in the 2010 season.

The NFL record for the most yards per game yielded over a season was in 1980 (or maybe 1981) by the Indianapolis Colts. They gave up 424 yards per game.

That means after 6 games, the Indy Colts record-setting defense had given up only 24 more yards for the year that the 2010 Skins.

The record is there for the taking...

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Well that's assuming they gave up an average of 424 yards for the first 6 games .. but yeah, I would love to have that record \sarcasm

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[FONT="Trebuchet MS"]The Colts were still in Baltimore at the time.
Still, if there's a franchise makes it on the end of an embarassing trivia questions, count on the Redskins to pull it off.[/FONT]

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I don't see it happening. This defense takes some time to get down and once we do the YPG will start to come down. By the end of the year we should be a pretty good D. Also you have to look at the Offenses we have face thus far, all but the Rams are in the top 10 in YPG I think.

We have had the Colts, Philly, Dallas, Houston, and Green Bay. All of these teams are top notch Os. We held the Eagles in check somewhat. The Colts and Houston put up big numbers and points while the Packers put up big numbers but only 13 points.

It is early and I do not think we will get near this number by the end of the year. Does the article point to the fact that we have played these top flight Os? I am assuming you pulled this from the Post, I saw it but did not read it.

They will get it together on Defense.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;750940]I don't see it happening. This defense takes some time to get down and once we do the YPG will start to come down. By the end of the year we should be a pretty good D. Also you have to look at the Offenses we have face thus far, all but the Rams are in the top 10 in YPG I think.

We have had the Colts, Philly, Dallas, Houston, and Green Bay. All of these teams are top notch Os. We held the Eagles in check somewhat. The Colts and Houston put up big numbers and points while the Packers put up big numbers but only 13 points.

It is early and I do not think we will get near this number by the end of the year. Does the article point to the fact that we have played these top flight Os? I am assuming you pulled this from the Post, I saw it but did not read it.

They will get it together on Defense.[/quote]

[FONT="Trebuchet MS"]We'll never be out of the woods with regards to offenses. They may not be top in rankings, but we still have to face some very talented offensive players in the future. Favre, Randy Moss, Maurice-Jones Drew, Chris Johnson. Hell, Josh Freeman looks like he's legit and I believe Cutler is going to be legit.[/FONT]

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I just suspect a vast improvement from now until the end of the year. Also there should be somewhat of a jump in defensive production after the bye week, when Has and the crew get to spend a couple of weeks looking at the first 8 games and deciding how to approach the last half of the season.

It is still early and I will ot believe this is the worst defense of all time. We have seen flashes out of the unit SirCP. These guys have the talent just let them get on a roll.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;750945]I just suspect a vast improvement from now until the end of the year. Also there should be somewhat of a jump in defensive production after the bye week, when Has and the crew get to spend a couple of weeks looking at the first 8 games and deciding how to approach the last half of the season.

It is still early and I will ot believe this is the worst defense of all time. We have seen flashes out of the unit SirCP. These guys have the talent just let them get on a roll.[/quote]

[FONT="Trebuchet MS"]They'll be better, but sometimes there are flaws that cannot be fixed without an influx of new personnel. Namely, the nose tackle. It's one of the things you NEED to have to have a working 3-4. Otherwise, teams are going to have a field day running the ball. And for a fella like Chris Johnson, well, let's just say the outcome does not look pretty.
I wouldn't count on either AH or Kemo developing into an effective one. [/FONT]

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That Colts team was 2-14 with an end of season point differential of -274.

We are 3-3 with a point diff of -6. Record and point diff are far more important than yds allowed. I couldn't care less about the yds allowed if we wind up above .500.

Our D hasn't been getting much help from our O either.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;750953]That Colts team was 2-14 with an end of season point differential of -274.

We are 3-3 with a point diff of -6. Record and point diff are far more important than yds allowed. I couldn't care less about the yds allowed if we wind up above .500.

Our D hasn't been getting much help from our O either.[/quote]

Preach

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[quote=SmootSmack;750978]Preach[/quote]

Very true!! It all has to mesh.. but hey its good to be first at something right?????:Smoker:

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;750927]The Redskins defense is giving up 420 yards per game thru 6 games in the 2010 season.

The NFL record for the most yards per game yielded over a season was in 1980 (or maybe 1981) by the Indianapolis Colts. They gave up 424 yards per game.

That means after 6 games, the Indy Colts record-setting defense had given up only 24 more yards for the year that the 2010 Skins.

The record is there for the taking...[/quote]

If we are 4-3 after this weekend, I could give a sh*t

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;750927]The Redskins defense is giving up 420 yards per game thru 6 games in the 2010 season.

The NFL record for the most yards per game yielded over a season was in 1980 (or maybe 1981) by the Indianapolis Colts. They gave up 424 yards per game.

That means after 6 games, the Indy Colts record-setting defense had given up only 24 more yards for the year that the 2010 Skins.

The record is there for the taking...[/quote]

By "holding" the Bears to 322 yards we brought down the average.

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[quote=Lotus;751783]By "holding" the Bears to 322 yards we brought down the average.[/quote]

And our defense won us ANOTHER game.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/27/bills-scrap-3-4-defense-amidst-historic-slump/]Bills scrap 3-4 defense amidst historic slump | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]So i post this because i think it applies to us too. We dont have the 3-4 personal to be elite right now – or likely anytime soon, however we did/do have the personal to be elite in a 4-3 scheme. After Hall made 4 interceptions and won the game for us last week its bound to shut all the nay sayers up but for how long? But hes just one player and looked pretty good in the 4-3 scheme we had last year. Not saying anything, just saying....[/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=mlmpetert;753035][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/27/bills-scrap-3-4-defense-amidst-historic-slump/]Bills scrap 3-4 defense amidst historic slump | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]So i post this because i think it applies to us too. We dont have the 3-4 personal to be elite right now – or likely anytime soon, however we did/do have the personal to be elite in a 4-3 scheme. After Hall made 4 interceptions and won the game for us last week its bound to shut all the nay sayers up but for how long? But hes just one player and looked pretty good in the 4-3 scheme we had last year. Not saying anything, just saying....[/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

Haslett has already half-admitted defeat when he started showing the 4-man fronts with two down linemen and two OLBs standing up on the line of scrimmage.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;753037]Haslett has already half-admitted defeat when he started showing the 4-man fronts with two down linemen and two OLBs standing up on the line of scrimmage.[/quote]

Except for the fact that since last spring the Skins have been saying they'd be showing various 4 fronts, including 4-man fronts

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[quote=SmootSmack;753040]Except for the fact that since last spring the Skins have been saying they'd be showing various 4 fronts, including 4-man fronts[/quote]

That's what they said, but that's not what they did initially.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;753051]That's what they said, but that's not what they did initially.[/quote]

They've been showing 4 man fronts since the season opener

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Nickel and Dime packages has been almost entirely a four man front. Well, an "even" front with no nose, at least.

Where we've been a 3-4 defense is in base sets. If the opponent has 2 WRs or fewer on the field, we usually have 3 linemen in the game.

A couple of changes just recently: our short yardage defense has moved to a four man concept on the line ((Haynesworth/Carriker) with (Golston/Kemo)), where before it was either a standard 3-4 or that ninja/amoeba type look. This, not surprisingly, has coincided with an improvement in short yardage defense.

The reason for this "multiple" defense: it allows us to have 3-4 LBs in the game at all times. The 4-3 would force us to take a LB off the field for every additional DB we wanted on. If we wanted to play dime with Buchanon/Doughty at DBs, it'd be just Fletcher at LB. This way, we can get Fletcher, McIntosh, and Alexander all on the field (plus Carter in the nickel), and have our best pass rushers to get after the quarterback.

We have good nickel personnel this year, mostly because Buchanon has been a pleasant surprise at corner.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;753051]That's what they said, but that's not what they did initially.[/quote]


Nope, Smooty is right. The first couple games I was able to see on TV early in the season they did have 4 man fronts often.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;750927]The Redskins defense is giving up 420 yards per game thru 6 games in the 2010 season.

The NFL record for the most yards per game yielded over a season was in 1980 (or maybe 1981) by the Indianapolis Colts. They gave up 424 yards per game.

That means after 6 games, the Indy Colts record-setting defense had given up only 24 more yards for the year that the 2010 Skins.

The record is there for the taking...[/quote]

For one that's not gonna happen.
Second why are so many skins fans haters?
Be happy. We may allow a lot of yards but what matters is points.

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[quote=Glen Williams;753283]For one that's not gonna happen.
Second why are so many skins fans haters?
Be happy. We may allow a lot of yards but what matters is points.[/quote]

It's called being aware that we're not close to being the best. Neither on the stat sheet nor on the tape.

[url=http://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=13152]Delusions of Mediocrity (Seventh Edition) - Gatherer - Magic: The Gathering[/url]

[I]"When nothing but second best will do."[/I]

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No one said we were the best.
We are improving.
We have improved.
Crying about stat sheets is not gonna help anything.


Ok Sir?

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[quote=Chico23231;750988]If we are 4-3 after this weekend, I could give a sh*t[/quote]

You mean 5-3?

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I guess it's also worth noting, as Slingin Sammy somewhat alluded to, we've given up the least amount of points in the NFC East and are in the middle of pack in the NFL, in terms of total points allowed. The San Diego Chargers, on the other hand, are ranked 1# in total defense, yet they sit at 2-5 right now.

So while the stats are a bit troubling, they don't really tell the whole story.

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[quote=12thMan;753313]I guess it's also worth noting, as Slingin Sammy somewhat alluded to, we've given up the least amount of points in the NFC East and are in the middle of pack in the NFL, in terms of total points allowed. The San Diego Chargers, on the other hand, are ranked 1# in total defense, yet they sit at 2-5 right now.

So while the stats are a bit troubling, they don't really tell the whole story.[/quote]

Special teams is always forgotten because there aren't any real ranks for it.

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[quote=12thMan;753313]I guess it's also worth noting, as Slingin Sammy somewhat alluded to, we've given up the least amount of points in the NFC East and are in the middle of pack in the NFL, in terms of total points allowed. The San Diego Chargers, on the other hand, are ranked 1# in total defense, yet they sit at 2-5 right now.

So while the stats are a bit troubling, they don't really tell the whole story.[/quote]Part of the "whole story" we're not getting from rankings based on yards (outside of the fact that 'special teams matter') is that the Chargers offense has turned the ball over on an insane 21% of its drives.

But for those keeping track, barely a third of their turnovers have been Rivers interceptions. It's their offensive line that is responsible for increased sack-fumbles, and receivers are just coughing up footballs at an alarming rate in San Diego.

Put simply, while SD is much better than their record, anyone who thinks SD is the best offense in football is using the wrong stats. They're not as good on offense as they were last season.

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[quote=12thMan;753312]You mean 5-3?[/quote]

well yes now that its a week later

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Should have known this wasn't serious :(

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If it's week eight then why are we only using stats from the first 6 weeks. Oh, that's right because it will dilute the stats.

How is this for a stat? Through those first 6 weeks our D face a top 10 offense 4 times. The other 2 matchups were against number 11 and number 22. We haven't exactly been playing teams that cannot move the ball.

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[quote=Angry;753487]If it's week eight then why are we only using stats from the first 6 weeks. Oh, that's right because it will dilute the stats.

How is this for a stat? Through those first 6 weeks our D face a top 10 offense 4 times. The other 2 matchups were against number 11 and number 22. We haven't exactly been playing teams that cannot move the ball.[/quote]

Or because the thread was started prior to week seven

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Lets call it the Glen Williams effect

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Excuse the hell out of me for not catching that. Even at week 7 my argument was valid.

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The yards allowed stat is less important than the turnovers caused, turnover ratio and the scoring defense stats. If a D can give their offense a few extra shots with the ball, that greatly increases that teams chances of winning. Unless of course, your offense sucks. I think ours will slowly progress as the season goes on.

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I think a more complete picture would be given if how many opposing teams' drives ended in punts, FGs, turnovers and TDs were analyzed together.

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That would be a nice thing to do, but that is a lot of analyzing.