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ChounsMan 11-30-2004 02:18 PM

Early Draft Predictions: Mock it now!
 
With the possibly 3rd pick overall in the 2005 NFL Draft

Washington Redskins select:

Rodrique Wright, DT, Texas [B](MY PICK)[/B]

[IMG]http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/playerphotos/dt/rodriquewright.jpg[/IMG]
What can you say about the 2004 Washington Redskins? A team that had such high hopes before the season thanks to the return of Hall of Fame coach and legend Joe Gibbs has simply fallen flat on their faces. What's even more disturbing is the complete lack of offensive production despite having a relatively talented group on that side of the ball. There is no doubt that the offense has to be addressed, but can anyone really pinpoint one area on that side of the ball that is extremely deficient? The defense under new coordinator Gregg Williams has played well beyond expectations despite battling injuries and a lack of top-notch talent up front. The defensive line has played well this season, but they don't have a true difference maker, a guy who can penetrate and cause a commotion in opponents backfields on a consistent basis. Wright has been a standout for the Longhorns since his true freshman season in Austin and would likely be one of the premier defensive players available should he decide to leave college after his junior campaign. Some Redskins fans may be clamoring for a top young quarterback after the way Mark Brunell and Patrick Ramsey have played this year, but I doubt Gibbs will want to start that type of rebuilding project at this stage in his career so they will likely opt for the player who can make the most immediate impact. A darkhorse here could be wide receiver Mike Williams, who would give Washington another major weapon on offense and as a big, physical wideout would really compliment the speedy Laveranues Coles. Don't rule out this pick simply being based on the best player available theory though because the Redskins are really a team without pressing needs in terms of talent.

Washington Redskins select:

Mike Williams, WR, USC [B](Must draft if Gardner is dealt)[/B]

[IMG]http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/playerphotos/wr/mikewilliams.jpg[/IMG]
Trojans Mike Williams opted to follow Maurice Clarett to the pros following his sophomore season but when the court ruling in Clarett's favor was reversed it left both players in limbo, too young to play in the NFL and unable to play in college because they were no longer amateurs. In the end though this could turn out to be a blessing in disguise for Williams, who could very well end up going higher in the 2005 NFL Draft than he would have in 2004. Had he been eligible for last years Draft the highest Williams would have gone is #9 overall to Jacksonville and he could have potentially fallen as far as Tampa Bay at #15. With a year off from the game Williams will have ample time to prepare for workouts, which he didn't have the luxury of last year, and if he can improve on his 4.6 time in the forty he could be in contention for the #1 pick overall.

Other notables are:
Alex Barron, OT, Florida St.
Derrick Johnson, OLB, Texas
D'Brickashaw Ferguson, OT, Virginia
Ahmad Brooks, OLB, Virginia
Mathias Kiwanuka, DE, Boston College
Mark Clayton, WR, Oklahoma
Braylon Edwards, WR, Michigan

Data courtesy of: [URL=http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sub/mockdraft.html]www.nfldraftcountdown.com[/URL]

Gmanc711 11-30-2004 02:25 PM

I think we will take Kiwanuka, DE from BC or Mike Williams, WR of USC. Theres really no other great options out there right now. If we dont put together a few wins, and stay at the #3 stop, I think we should trade out of it, depending on when Williams looks to be going. I dont know, I just wanna win 5 to end this season....

Redskins_P 11-30-2004 02:29 PM

I agree with Gman. I noticed that theres alot of O-lineman too.

That Guy 11-30-2004 02:55 PM

williams, if he's gone, kiwanuka... really rather have williams right now though... if we miss him, we need to look at FAs... (somehow porter just doesn't seem like our answer at WR...)

Duffman003 11-30-2004 03:07 PM

we should trade down in the draft to get more picks so we can manage the cap better and get more depth in positions like linebacker, tight end, and even get a solid center which we could get in the second or third round. But I have no idea who is good because the only team I watch is Maryland who is not doing good this year.

ChounsMan 11-30-2004 03:09 PM

Here's another sites prediction:

Aaron Rogers Quarterback California

I probably have some readers scratching their head over this pick but please hear me out. The Redskins look like they will cut Mark Brunell and Patrick Ramsay does not seem to have the trust of the Joe Gibbs regime. Look for Ramsay to be trade bait while the Redskins keep Tim Hasslebeck around as the backup to Rogers. This is Washington so anything is possible...

Remember Wynn might consider retirement, so a strong DE or DT might be the best pick to solidfy the #1 D in 2005.

jbcjr14 11-30-2004 03:10 PM

Trade down and take some O-Line. That is vintage Gibbs (Bethard) and I think that is what they will do. They may also tag Samuels and let him go for the two first rounders....could be interesting!.

ChounsMan 11-30-2004 03:26 PM

The Skins are certainly in the drivers seat with a low draft pick & a Pro Bowl O-linemen as trade bait.

They may be able to squeeze 3+ picks in the first 2 rounds. Keeping my fingers crossed & my eyes/ears open.

sportscurmudgeon 11-30-2004 03:46 PM

ChounsMan:

If Samuels is dealt, he will bring a heap of cap trouble on the team that trades for him. If he is willing to renegotiate with a new team, why not with the Redskins? So his trade value is much less than your standard-issue "Pro Bowl O-lineman". And BTW, this will make the 2nd straight year he does not make the Pro Bowl.

Some GM in the NFL may see something that I have not seen in the past 4 years and offer something more than a used blocking sled for Gardner, but until I see it, I won't believe it.

The defense has played outstandingly this year. Maybe it is playing over its head just a tad and maybe next year it will merely be a top 10 defense and not a top 5 defense. But given the train-wreck that we called an offense this year, that is where the top draft emphasis should be. Who is this year's version of Robert Gallery or Orando Pace? Find that dude and draft him.

MTK 11-30-2004 04:17 PM

I can't bring myself to even look at a mock draft just yet.

redsk1 11-30-2004 04:30 PM

I'm a little biased but what about OL Elton Brown out of VA. I believe he is 6-7 to 6-9 and about 330 lb's. He can RUN too.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha 11-30-2004 04:54 PM

We should definately trade down to get more picks. All things being equal, I'd take a pass-rushing Dlineman with our first pick and an O-lineman with our 2nd.

firstdown 11-30-2004 05:13 PM

[QUOTE=redsk1]I'm a little biased but what about OL Elton Brown out of VA. I believe he is 6-7 to 6-9 and about 330 lb's. He can RUN too.[/QUOTE]Maybe one of va tech dl that ran over the va line. LOL

firstdown 11-30-2004 05:22 PM

You all have missed the most obvious. Trade Burnell to Browns For Jeff George.

SmootSmack 11-30-2004 05:26 PM

[QUOTE=firstdown]You all have missed the most obvious. Trade Burnell to Browns For Jeff George.[/QUOTE]

well that's pure genius...but how are the Browns getting George from the Bears?

firstdown 11-30-2004 05:40 PM

[QUOTE=smootsmack]well that's pure genius...but how are the Browns getting George from the Bears?[/QUOTE]They are probably pondering the same question. How they missed that one. (sorry I meant the Bears)

juggernaunt 11-30-2004 06:17 PM

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i think that we make a few trades before the draft, i can see us trading down a few spots 2 grab the guy out of B.C....

PSUskinsfan11 11-30-2004 06:50 PM

We could really use a DE, Daniels is always hurt and Warner and Evans don't really do much plus I wouldn't be suprised if they cut Wynn. Erasmus James should be our pick and if he is gone we should consider Marcus Spears. I think with the later round picks they will look at a bunch of OL. I would LOVE to see us take Derrick Johnson and work out a 3-4 somehow but I don't see that happening

BrudLee 11-30-2004 07:13 PM

Since the Yahoo! club I've been calling for Wynn departure. All he does every year is lead the D-line in tackles (check the stats). This year he'll finish behind Griffin, but that isn't a slight on his play at all. I'd love it if he had a lower cap number, but it's almost time for me to admit that Renaldo Wynn is a Redskin.

That being said, it isn't time yet. Let's see how they shake out in the combine.

PSUskinsfan11 11-30-2004 08:23 PM

I'm not hating on Wynn, he is playing well but he is getting old and his cap number is pretty big.

Daseal 11-30-2004 09:54 PM

Mike Williams. I hate the guy, but he's an awesome receiver. I'd probably trade Coles. I don't know if he'll ever recover for this injury. May as well unload him while we can. He has a pretty big contract.

celts32 11-30-2004 10:44 PM

They must get Mike Williams or some other big play WR. Our WR's are just plain old average. No game breakers among them and usually just catching the ball is a challenge. The defense has been great and the O-line should get better when the injuries heal, but nothing outside of a talent upgrade is going to improve those WR's...

huntz 12-01-2004 04:13 AM

[QUOTE=firstdown]They are probably pondering the same question. How they missed that one. (sorry I meant the Bears)[/QUOTE]

Browns...Bears...what the hell's the difference! They both stink!

Drift Reality 12-01-2004 10:35 AM

I think they should trade out of the spot and try to pick up an additional 2nd rounder. The cap number for the top 5 players is just ridiculous (see Samuels and Arrington) and unless there is a really special player I just don't think that it is worthwhile.

If we can move down and pick up a tackle, center, and DE, I'd be really happy.

memphisskin 12-01-2004 11:11 AM

[QUOTE=Daseal]Mike Williams. I hate the guy, but he's an awesome receiver. I'd probably trade Coles. I don't know if he'll ever recover for this injury. May as well unload him while we can. He has a pretty big contract.[/QUOTE]

WHAT?!?!! Trade Coles? Not only would the cap hit be huge, but it makes no sense at all to trade our best wideout.

Gardner, if he's signed through next year then see what we can get for him, I'm guessing a 3rd.

Samuels, love him but he has underperformed for the last two years. Time to cut bait, not sure if he's worth a first round pick but stranger things have happened.

Trading down is a possibility, but only if its not with Dallas and only if it nets us a pass rushing defensive end. Otherwise, we have to go offense, offense, offense this draft. We need to get better on the offensive line so I'm guessing a center and left tackle. We have to protect Ramsey on these five and seven step drops. We're set at wideout with Coles, Jacobs, McCants, although if we can add a Mike Williams that may be too much to turn down. We also have to find a power back for short yardage situations, this was a Gibbs strength and our inability to convert on third downs has really handicapped our offense this year.

That Guy 12-01-2004 11:32 AM

[QUOTE=memphisskin]WHAT?!?!! Trade Coles? Not only would the cap hit be huge, but it makes no sense at all to trade our best wideout.[/QUOTE]
with his current injuries he's not a great #1, people would actually want him, and TRADES don't bring cap hits... either way, i rather have mike williams and coles ;) our WR aren't fine right now though, at least not if they continue to play like they have currently.

BrudLee 12-01-2004 11:40 AM

[QUOTE=That Guy]with his current injuries he's not a great #1, people would actually want him, and TRADES don't bring cap hits... either way, i rather have mike williams and coles ;) our WR aren't fine right now though, at least not if they continue to play like they have currently.[/QUOTE]

Trades do accelerate the signing bonus and any paid bonuses.

MTK 12-01-2004 12:02 PM

Brud is right, there's no way around cap hits. If someone retires, gets cut or traded, the bonuses come due.

itvnetop 12-02-2004 12:09 AM

While signing bonuses are outlandish for top spots in the draft, we should not bypass Mike if he is available. We need to draft for the offense, and while nothing is a sure thing- I'd take the probability of him becoming the next TO (without the mouth) without question. This guy was catching and scoring through triple teams! I don't care what level you're playing on... that's dominance.

If he's gone, someone mentioned Aaron Rogers. This kid is the real deal... nice arm and great delivery. If the staff isn't sold on Ramsey for the future of the franchise, competition can only help. Look what happened in San Diego. Rogers and Leinart will go in the top 10 somewhere, but Rogers is the better pro prospect (as much as it pains me to say... just don't let any other Trojans know I said that!).

Bugel and co. seem to have success with linemen found in later rounds... I'm sure we can dig 'em up somewhere... but if BMW is gone when our pick is up, trade down for sure.

diehardskin2982 12-02-2004 04:32 PM

This is what will happen if Vinny is still GM. First we won't get Williams he's going to SF 49ers u guys should know that. Samuels will be traded for a second or third round. Not a first because of how we make deals. We will sign someone outlandish like Ricky williams to make an incredible one two punch on paper... but won't come out to nothing, This will make us lose our first or second round pick if its a second round pick we'll draft a tackle to replace Samuel, or we'll overpay a has been who would be out of possition like larry allen or somebody worst.

skinsguy 12-02-2004 04:38 PM

[QUOTE=diehardskin2982]This is what will happen if Vinny is still GM. [/QUOTE]


Talkin' about someone our franchise needs to unload!

celts32 12-02-2004 10:26 PM

I would love to see Vinny fired. He has done nothing to deserve that job. Unless you count saying "Yes Mr. Snyder"

SKINSnCANES 12-03-2004 12:36 PM

I hope we dont even consider Mike Williams and we trade down to pick up a second round pick (we traded ours for cooley) and get the top end in teh draft


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