What would you do if this was your son?
 

Interesting blog my wife discovered.

IMO I would let him dress up this way and I thin kat the end of the article the mom nails.


[U][B]MY SON IS GAY[/B][/U]

[I]Or he’s not. I don’t care. He is still my son. And he is 5. And I am his mother. And if you have a problem with anything mentioned above, I don’t want to know you.[/I]
[I]I have gone back and forth on whether I wanted to post something more in-depth about my sweet boy and his choice of Halloween costume. Or more specifically, the reactions to it. I figure if I’m still irked by it a few days later, I may as well go ahead and post my thoughts.[/I]
[I]Here are the facts that lead up to my rant:[/I]
[LIST=1][*][I]My son is 5 and goes to a church preschool.[/I][*][I]He has loved Scooby Doo since developing the ability and attention span to sit still long enough to watch it.[/I][*][I]Halloween is a holiday and its main focus is wearing a costume.[/I][*][I]My son’s school had the kids dress up, do a little parade, and then change out of costumes for the rest of the party.[/I][*][I]Boo’s best friend is a little girl[/I][*][I]Boo has an older sister[/I][*][I]Boo spends most of his time with me.[/I][*][I]I am a woman.[/I][*][I]I am Boo’s mother, not you.[/I][/LIST] [I]So a few weeks before Halloween, Boo decides he wants to be Daphne from Scooby Doo, along with his best friend E. He had dressed as Scooby a couple of years ago. I was hesitant to make the purchase, not because it was a cross gendered situation, but because 5 year olds have a tendency to change their minds. After requesting a couple of more times, I said sure and placed the order. He flipped out when it arrived. It was perfect.[/I]
[I]Then as we got closer to the actual day, he stared to hem and haw about it. After some discussion it comes out that he is afraid people will laugh at him. I pointed out that some people will because it is a cute and clever costume. He insists their laughter would be of the ‘making fun’ kind. I blow it off. Seriously, who would make fun of a child in costume?[/I]
[I]And then the big day arrives. We get dressed up. We drop Squirt at his preschool and head over to his. Boo doesn’t want to get out of the car. He’s afraid of what people will say and do to him. I convince him to go inside. He halts at the door. He’s visibly nervous. I chalk it up to him being a bit of a worrier in general. Seriously, WHO WOULD MAKE FUN OF A CHILD IN A COSTUME ON HALLOWEEN? So he walks in. And there were several friends of mine that knew what he was wearing that smiled and waved and gave him high-fives. We walk down the hall to where his classroom is.[/I]
[I]And that’s where things went wrong. Two mothers went wide-eyed and made faces as if they smelled decomp. And I realize that my son is seeing the same thing I am. So I say, “Doesn’t he look great?” And Mom A says in disgust, “Did he ask to be that?!” I say that he sure did as Halloween is the time of year that you can be whatever it is that you want to be. They continue with their nosy, probing questions as to how that was an option and didn’t I try to talk him out of it. Mom B mostly just stood there in shock and dismay.[/I]
[I]And then Mom C approaches. She had been in the main room, saw us walk in, and followed us down the hall to let me know her thoughts. And they were that I should never have ‘allowed’ this and thank God it wasn’t next year when he was in Kindergarten since I would have had to put my foot down and ‘forbidden’ it. To which I calmly replied that I would do no such thing and couldn’t imagine what she was talking about. She continued on and on about how mean children could be and how he would be ridiculed.[/I]
[I]My response to that: The only people that seem to have a problem with it is their mothers.[/I]
[I]Another mom pointed out that high schools often have Spirit Days where girls dress like boys and vice versa. I mentioned Powderpuff Games where football players dress like cheerleaders and vice versa. Or every frat boy ever in college (Mom A said that her husband was a frat boy and NEVER dressed like a woman.)[/I]
[I]But here’s the point, it is none of your damn business.[/I]
[I]If you think that me allowing my son to be a female character for Halloween is somehow going to ‘make’ him gay then you are an idiot. Firstly, what a ridiculous concept. Secondly, if my son is gay, OK. I will love him no less. Thirdly, I am not worried that your son will grow up to be an actual ninja so back off.[/I]
[I]If my daughter had dressed as Batman, no one would have thought twice about it. No one.[/I]
[I]But it also was heartbreaking to me that my sweet, kind-hearted five year old was right to be worried. He knew that there were people like A, B, and C. And he, at 5, was concerned about how they would perceive him and what would happen to him.[/I]
[I]Just as it was heartbreaking to those parents that have lost their children recently due to bullying. IT IS NOT OK TO BULLY. Even if you wrap it up in a bow and call it ‘concern.’ Those women were trying to bully me. And my son. MY son.[/I]
[I]It is obvious that I neither abuse nor neglect my children. They are not perfect, but they are learning how to navigate this big, and sometimes cruel, world. I hate that my son had to learn this lesson while standing in front of allegedly Christian women. I hate that those women thought those thoughts, and worse felt comfortable saying them out loud. I hate that ‘pink’ is still called a girl color and that my baby has to be so brave if he wants to be Daphne for Halloween.[/I]
[I]And all I hope for my kids, and yours, and those of Moms ABC, are that they are happy. If a set of purple sparkly tights and a velvety dress is what makes my baby happy one night, then so be it. If he wants to carry a purse, or marry a man, or paint fingernails with his best girlfriend, then ok. My job as his mother is not to stifle that man that he will be, but to help him along his way. Mine is not to dictate what is ‘normal’ and what is not, but to help him become a good person.[/I]
[I]I hope I am doing that.[/I]
[I]And my little man worked that costume like no other. He rocked that wig, and I wouldn’t want it any other way.
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For the record my guy went as Redskins player. I post the pic but I don't know how to becasue it is just on my hard drive. [I]
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That's really tough, and I am proud of the mom for doing that and supporting her child.

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Saw this yesterday, and I agree with the mom.

Loved this line: "Thirdly, I am not worried that your son will grow up to be an actual ninja so back off."

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[quote=SmootSmack;756385]Saw this yesterday, and I agree with the mom.

Loved this line: "Thirdly, I am not worried that your son will grow up to be an actual ninja so back off."[/quote]


I know I thought that was funny as well! There is a pic of him out there, it is actually great costume!

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A couple thoughts here:

1) As for the concerned moms expressing "concern", I would hardly call that bullying. Bullying requires intimidation. Not that it's great for a parent to make those faces in front of a child, but still, it's not bullying.

2) I have a hard time believing you can know your child's sexual persuasion at age five. There are plenty of flamboyant straight men.

3) The mother was right to let him wear it, and there's nothing wrong with other kids making fun of it. As long as they're not intimidating the boy or being overtly hurtful, that's how the world works. Mothers and fathers need to be all-accepting and all loving, creating a comfortable and accepting environment at home so that the child has a place where he always feels safe. Let the world beyond react how they'll react, and the child will learn at a young age how to respond to those reactions. Sometimes you get made fun of, and you figure out how to avoid being the butt of jokes going forward. Or maybe you decide eff those jerks, I'll wear what I want. Either way, that's something a child should go through.

If I were a 5 year old kid in that class, I would have made fun of him for sure. Johnny is a girl... Johnny is a girl!!!

That's not bullying, it's a healthy self-correcting way of forming social norms. You just want to make sure nobody's being so relentless that the kid wants to kill himself.

The mother needs to chill, she's way overreacting.

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[quote=hooskins;756382]That's really tough, and I am proud of the mom for doing that and supporting her child.[/quote]My thoughts exactly. I find it interesting that a 5 year old was self aware enough to know that he might get made fun of for wearing a girl's Halloween costume but he (with his mom's support) was still willing to go through with it. She also brings up a great point with the fact that it becomes socially acceptable for older kids and adults to cross dress in situations like Halloween.

IMO, just because a boy, especially a 5 year old, wants to wear a girl's costume it doesn't necessarily mean that he wants to cross dress for life or that he's gay.
I know it's not exactly the same, but when my little sister was a kid she was a huge tomboy and eventually joined my wrestling team and kicked ass every week. Later she kind of grew out of that phase and became a cheerleader; now she's a hair dresser and about the "girliest" person you could meet. At the same time, if she never "grew out of it" SFW.

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[quote=mredskins;756387]I know I thought that was funny as well! There is a pic of him out there, it is actually great costume![/quote]

[url=http://nerdyapplebottom.com/2010/11/02/my-son-is-gay/]My son is gay « Nerdy Apple Bottom[/url]

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;756389]My thoughts exactly. I find it interesting that a 5 year old was self aware enough to know that he might get made fun of for wearing a girl's Halloween costume but he (with his mom's support) was still willing to go through with it. She also brings up a great point with the fact that it becomes socially acceptable for older kids and adults to cross dress in situations like Halloween.

IMO, just because a boy, especially a 5 year old, wants to wear a girl's costume it doesn't necessarily mean that he wants to cross dress for life or that he's gay.
I know it's not exactly the same, but when my little sister was a kid she was a huge tomboy and eventually joined my wrestling team and kicked ass every week. Later she kind of grew out of that phase and became a cheerleader; now she's a hair dresser and about the "girliest" person you could meet. At the same time, if she never "grew out of it" SFW.[/quote]

I totally agree about letting kids grow up to be themselves, and as a parent being totally accepting. In fact, I advocate accepting everyone no matter how different they are. But at the same time, people who are different absolutely have to understand that the world is full of jerks who will not accept them. They need to develop an ability to handle that, because as much as you want to preach acceptance, face it, not everybody will accept them.

I have a transgender cousin, born with lady parts but wired as a man. We call him "he" now, and as a family we've fully accepted it. But, when he came to his parents as a 16 year old and "came out", the first thing his parents did was explain that they love him no matter what. But he has to understand that not everybody's going to be OK with this. He's going to get made fun of, abused, heckled, and looked upon with disgust. He might even lose some friends who don't want to be associated with an uncool weirdo.

And he did face a really rough time in high school and the first year of college, got made fun of a lot. But because he had accepting family and some close friends, he had the confidence and self esteem to let the comments of the jerks just roll off his back.

If you're going to be different, it's totally fine. But be ready, because not everybody thinks so.

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Schneed, this kid is five lol. It's different to understand you will be made fun of in your teens.

It's terrible that a five year old can't dress how he wants to, without fear of being made fun of. At that age, you shouldn't have to worry about society's bullshit.

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[quote=hooskins;756414]Schneed, this kid is five lol. It's different to understand you will be made fun of in your teens.

It's terrible that a five year old can't dress how he wants to, without fear of being made fun of. At that age, you shouldn't have to worry about society's bullshit.[/quote]

Like I said in my first post, it's not really cool for other parents to react to it, but it's 100% normal for other kids in the class to make fun of him.

For christ's sakes, it's a little boy dressed as a girl with a wig and a dress and everything. I would have had a field day as a 5 year old.

That's not society's bullshit, that's how little kids form social norms from a young age. Like I said, as long as they're not so relentless that he wants to jump off a bridge, then being made fun of by your classmates for stuff like this is totally normal, and happens in schools every day.

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Just becasue they are making fun of him or anyone else that is different doesn't makes it right and IMO the mom has ever right to bitch about them if they have ever right to make fun of him. Two way street.

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Schneed10, I've always considered myself a realist so I can't disagree with anything you're saying.

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[quote=Schneed10;756417]Like I said in my first post, it's not really cool for other parents to react to it, but it's 100% normal for other kids in the class to make fun of him.

For christ's sakes, it's a little boy dressed as a girl with a wig and a dress and everything. I would have had a field day as a 5 year old.

That's not society's bullshit, that's how little kids form social norms from a young age. Like I said, as long as they're not so relentless that he wants to jump off a bridge, then being made fun of by your classmates for stuff like this is totally normal, and happens in schools every day.[/quote]

Yet it seems the kids had no problem with the costume

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I don't agree with those norms and hence why I called it society's bullshit.

Those norms are created based what they see around them, parents, movies, ads, television, etc. If those things didn't exist(not suggesting they shouldn't and not suggesting it is even feasible, just proving my point) kids wouldn't feel that way and make fun of him.

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What if that was my son ?

It wouldn't be. Point blank. I love my little boy to death, but I was raised a certain way and my son will know what it for females and what is for males. Just not for me. I know this isn't on the same level but if my son started chewing with his mouth open I wouldn't say hey son go on and be who you want to be. I say, Bernard, chew with your mouth closed son. If my son said hey dad I want to dress up as Dora, I'd say no son, You can go as Diego because Dora is a girl and you are a boy. If my son wanted to wear a Redskins Cheerleader outfit either, you want some Skins gear you better rock this sweatsuit or a jersey. My son will be who he will be no matter what I do but as a parent it's my job to steer him in the best way possible as I see it. He, much like I did, will choose which way he wants to go. I wasn't raised to curse but I do. Wasn't raised to burn trees, but I have. Wasn't raised to drink, I just finished having 2 Remy's and a MGD.

As far as the mother, I can't say that I'm proud of her but that's her child and she can do whatever she wants when it comes to him. But if it's my boy, no chance.

And Schneed I agree with you, I would have had a field day with that little boy until he started crying and I got in trouble but I would've taken that L for real. Couldn't have pased up the chance to break out some new material on a little dude dressd as Daphne,....and he had the purple boot covers PLUS the handbag ?

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[quote=hooskins;756425]I don't agree with those norms and hence why I called it society's bullshit.

Those norms are created based what they see around them, parents, movies, ads, television, etc. If those things didn't exist(not suggesting they shouldn't and not suggesting it is even feasible, just proving my point) kids wouldn't feel that way and make fun of him.[/quote]Ideally you're right, but the harsh truth is the world isn't like that. SmootSmack is right, it's very interesting that the kids didn't seem to care and it is sad that at some point they probably will because of the bias they see around them.
However, I do think attitudes are starting to change and I do think that people are becoming more open minded but that kind of societal shift takes years and possibly generations to happen.

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Sounds like to me this mother is trying to persuade her son to be gay later in life. NO CHILD knows anything about sexual preference at age 5. Kids in normal, healthy environments are not exposed to or think about sex when they've only been alive for 60 months old.

Sounds like this mother is trying to create some kind of living environment that would either push the son towards homosexuality or just have some kind of liberal "show them options even if they're too young to make the decision".

5-year old kids need to be interested in things like Scooby Doo. Not crossdressing. A good parent would not put their child in a situation where they will definitely be degraded or made fun of. Your son wants to wear makeup and a wig to school? Explain to them the differences between genders then and let HIM know he should dress appropriately for a little boy. What if your son wanted to wear a KKK costume because he thought it was a ghost or mistakenly interpreted it as a superhero costume? A parent needs to set right and wrong, age appropriateness and simply protect their child from inevitable consequences for trying to make a controversial statement with a child. This is no better than putting your kid in a political protest holding a sign about abortion or war...they're just not appropriate issues for a child.

To me, it sounds like the mother KNEW this reaction would occur and wants to use that poor child to make a statement and create a debate or controversy on her social/political beliefs. The other kids, who don't understand sexual preferences and crossdressing...just did what they naturally did and laughed at the boy dressed like a girl. I bet they'd laugh if a kid came in dressed as a doughnut with sprinkles too, it's just an unexpected surprise to them. However, to other parents and faculty, the sight was likely far from funny. It's probably a disturbing sight seeing a child put in a sure situation to get mocked, while being confused about his gender and raised in a questionable learning environment at home.

Homosexuality is a choice, it's not genetic. It's a choice made sometimes consciously, sometimes subconsciously...and it's a result of the environment and experiences as the person approaches adulthood. So many sexual abuse victims become sexually-confused later in life. This kid is being set out on the path choosing homosexuality later in life, by his own mother. Quite sickening with the disease rates, health risks and moral issues that comes with the lifestyle. A mother should want to protect a son, not indoctrinate him and set him up for a lot of grief and possible danger later in life.

Way to ruin Halloween and possibly a child's upbringing, woman.

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Look I view myself as a realist too, but if I think something is wrong I am not going to just accept the status quo as a part of society. If we did that we would still be killing witches and enslaving races.

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[quote=Buster;756431][B]Sounds like to me this mother is trying to persuade her son to be gay later in life.[/B] NO CHILD knows anything about sexual preference at age 5. Kids in normal, healthy environments are not exposed to or think about sex when they've only been alive for 60 months old.

Sounds like this mother is trying to create some kind of living environment that would either push the son towards homosexuality or just have some kind of liberal "show them options even if they're too young to make the decision".

[B]5-year old kids need to be interested in things like Scooby Doo. [/B] Not crossdressing. A good parent would not put their child in a situation where they will definitely be degraded or made fun of. Your son wants to wear makeup and a wig to school? Explain to them the differences between genders then and let HIM know he should dress appropriately for a little boy. What if your son wanted to wear a KKK costume because he thought it was a ghost or mistakenly interpreted it as a superhero costume? A parent needs to set right and wrong, age appropriateness and simply protect their child from inevitable consequences for trying to make a controversial statement with a child. This is no better than putting your kid in a political protest holding a sign about abortion or war...they're just not appropriate issues for a child.

To me, it sounds like the mother KNEW this reaction would occur and wants to use that poor child to make a statement and create a debate or controversy on her social/political beliefs. [B]The other kids, who don't understand sexual preferences and crossdressing...just did what they naturally did and laughed at the boy dressed like a girl. [/B] I bet they'd laugh if a kid came in dressed as a doughnut with sprinkles too, it's just an unexpected surprise to them. However, to other parents and faculty, the sight was likely far from funny. It's probably a disturbing sight seeing a child put in a sure situation to get mocked, while being confused about his gender and raised in a questionable learning environment at home.

Homosexuality is a choice, it's not genetic. It's a choice made sometimes consciously, sometimes subconsciously...and it's a result of the environment and experiences as the person approaches adulthood. So many sexual abuse victims become sexually-confused later in life. This kid is being set out on the path choosing homosexuality later in life, by his own mother. Quite sickening with the disease rates, health risks and moral issues that comes with the lifestyle. A mother should want to protect a son, not indoctrinate him and set him up for a lot of grief and possible danger later in life.

Way to ruin Halloween and possibly a child's upbringing, woman.[/quote]

I dressed up as Benjamin Franklin when I was 5...and now I fly kites in the rain, churn my own butter and run an apothecary

Well he did go as Daphne from Scooby Doo, and had dressed up as Scooby himself the previous couple of years

The kids weren't the issue, it was the moms who were saying stuff

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Probably a single mom and why is she calling him gay.

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Yeah first you're right. Why is she calling him gay, that's how she starts out. My son is gay and if you care then I don't want to know you. Also F her bull. My dad died when I was 9 and I had 3 women in the house and 4 by the time I was 15 so I don't want to hear that my son does what the girls do crap. If she wants to raise her child as a girl or allow him to do things that a female will do then she should just say it instead of putting it on the child. Really, that's where this is effed up. She's all well it's his decision and Buster you make a good point. If he wanted to wear a KKK outfit because he thought it was a ghost what would she do ?

My mother made sure that I knew the difference between men and women/boys and girls. I'm sure if there was something that wasn't right in her opinion then she corrected it as she saw fit. Apparently this woman sees no problem with it and hey like I said that's her son.

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[quote=SmootSmack;756424]Yet it seems the kids had no problem with the costume[/quote]

Probably seems that way because the mother isn't able to sit in class all day with the kid and see the grief he's going through. So she spoke about the grief she encountered, from the other parents.

Coming from other parents, that is ridiculous indeed. But I'm sure there are kids in the class that are ragging on him for it, it's just the way it works.

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[quote=hooskins;756425]I don't agree with those norms and hence why I called it society's bullshit.

Those norms are created based what they see around them, parents, movies, ads, television, etc. If those things didn't exist(not suggesting they shouldn't and not suggesting it is even feasible, just proving my point) kids wouldn't feel that way and make fun of him.[/quote]

I don't agree with them either, but that's not the point. They're not going away.

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Daphne from Scooby Doo? He looks like street whore. LOL

OK so who would let their 5 yr. old go to school like that. I would not.

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Not I said the father of a boy !

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[quote=Buster;756431]Sounds like to me this mother is trying to persuade her son to be gay later in life. NO CHILD knows anything about sexual preference at age 5. Kids in normal, healthy environments are not exposed to or think about sex when they've only been alive for 60 months old.

Sounds like this mother is trying to create some kind of living environment that would either push the son towards homosexuality or just have some kind of liberal "show them options even if they're too young to make the decision".

5-year old kids need to be interested in things like Scooby Doo. Not crossdressing. A good parent would not put their child in a situation where they will definitely be degraded or made fun of. Your son wants to wear makeup and a wig to school? Explain to them the differences between genders then and let HIM know he should dress appropriately for a little boy. What if your son wanted to wear a KKK costume because he thought it was a ghost or mistakenly interpreted it as a superhero costume? A parent needs to set right and wrong, age appropriateness and simply protect their child from inevitable consequences for trying to make a controversial statement with a child. This is no better than putting your kid in a political protest holding a sign about abortion or war...they're just not appropriate issues for a child.

To me, it sounds like the mother KNEW this reaction would occur and wants to use that poor child to make a statement and create a debate or controversy on her social/political beliefs. The other kids, who don't understand sexual preferences and crossdressing...just did what they naturally did and laughed at the boy dressed like a girl. I bet they'd laugh if a kid came in dressed as a doughnut with sprinkles too, it's just an unexpected surprise to them. However, to other parents and faculty, the sight was likely far from funny. It's probably a disturbing sight seeing a child put in a sure situation to get mocked, while being confused about his gender and raised in a questionable learning environment at home.

[B]Homosexuality is a choice, it's not genetic. It's a choice made sometimes consciously, sometimes subconsciously...and it's a result of the environment and experiences as the person approaches adulthood. So many sexual abuse victims become sexually-confused later in life.[/B] This kid is being set out on the path choosing homosexuality later in life, by his own mother. Quite sickening with the disease rates, health risks and moral issues that comes with the lifestyle. A mother should want to protect a son, not indoctrinate him and set him up for a lot of grief and possible danger later in life.

Way to ruin Halloween and possibly a child's upbringing, woman.[/quote]


Seriously that is some laughable shit, did someone teach you that you should **** girls no it was ingrained in you. No one sat down with me and said now Matthew you should like big boobs, blond hair and vagina's. it is a nature not nurture thing.

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Buster you're a serious idiot. It's an established scientific fact that homosexuality is genetic.

Sometimes you do get a psychologically damaged person swinging one way or another, but by and large it's hardwired.

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[quote=Schneed10;756447]Buster you're a serious idiot. It's an established scientific fact that homosexuality is genetic.

Sometimes you do get a psychologically damaged person swinging one way or another, but by and large it's hardwired.[/quote]


Thank you, look for Firstdown to back him up on his dummyness like Saden1 says.

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well written article on the genetics v environment discussion.
[url=http://www.brighthub.com/science/genetics/articles/7033.aspx]Is Homosexuality Genetic? The Search for Possible Genetic Causes of Homosexuality[/url]

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I'm lovin how some of you guys just came in this thread and automatically assumed this would be a case of whether or not the other kids would laugh at her son. I don't think any of the other kids gave a shit personally. The entire story is about the other mothers acting like dickheads and interfering in another mother's relationship. If I was that woman I'd ask the other women if her son was their son too, and as soon as they say no I'd be like, alright then why don't you worry about your own kid, and stop concerning yourself with mine.

This story doesn't have anything to do with the other kids in the class. It's about 3 mothers who have taken it upon theirselves to interfere with another woman and her kid.

It doesn't make a single difference if her kid is gay or not, at 5 years old I doubt he knows anything about that. He just wanted to go as Daphne for Halloween. Let kids be kids, if the other kids did make fun of him he'll just learn that's what's gonna happen in today's society.

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[quote=mooby;756464]I'm lovin how some of you guys just came in this thread and automatically assumed this would be a case of whether or not the other kids would laugh at her son. I don't think any of the other kids gave a shit personally. The entire story is about the other mothers acting like dickheads and interfering in another mother's relationship. If I was that woman I'd ask the other women if her son was their son too, and as soon as they say no I'd be like, alright then why don't you worry about your own kid, and stop concerning yourself with mine.

This story doesn't have anything to do with the other kids in the class. It's about 3 mothers who have taken it upon theirselves to interfere with another woman and her kid.

It doesn't make a single difference if her kid is gay or not, at 5 years old I doubt he knows anything about that. He just wanted to go as Daphne for Halloween. Let kids be kids, if the other kids did make fun of him he'll just learn that's what's gonna happen in today's society.[/quote]

See she is probably a single mom on food stamps and well fair. She does not mind other intruding in their life when its giving them money but laugh at her gay little son and then it is an issue.

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I would not let my son dress in that costume, of course i dont have a kid so im just taking a guess on what my future stance would be.

i also find it strange that the mom starts off by calling/labeling her 5 yr old son as gay. like ralph wiggum said hes "nothing yet".

the nature v nurture debate is interesting. lol i dont know if a bunch of football fan guys typing from their office computers is the best sample or source of knowledge for the discussion thoo.

re: What would you do if this was your son?
 

[quote=over the mountain;756466]I would not let my son dress in that costume, of course i dont have a kid so im just taking a guess on what my future stance would be.

i also find it strange that the mom starts off by calling/labeling her 5 yr old son as gay. like ralph wiggum said hes "nothing yet".

[B]the nature v nurture debate is interesting. lol i dont know if a bunch of football fan guys typing from their office computers is the best sample or source of knowledge for the discussion tho'[/B].[/quote]

But but WE ALL STAYED AT HOLIDAY INN LAST NIGHT! (see matty it still works :cheeky-sm)

re: What would you do if this was your son?
 

[quote=mooby;756464]I'm lovin how some of you guys just came in this thread and automatically assumed this would be a case of whether or not the other kids would laugh at her son. I don't think any of the other kids gave a shit personally. The entire story is about the other mothers acting like dickheads and interfering in another mother's relationship. If I was that woman I'd ask the other women if her son was their son too, and as soon as they say no I'd be like, alright then why don't you worry about your own kid, and stop concerning yourself with mine.

This story doesn't have anything to do with the other kids in the class. It's about 3 mothers who have taken it upon theirselves to interfere with another woman and her kid.

It doesn't make a single difference if her kid is gay or not, at 5 years old I doubt he knows anything about that. He just wanted to go as Daphne for Halloween. Let kids be kids, if the other kids did make fun of him he'll just learn that's what's gonna happen in today's society.[/quote]

Well yeah, that's what the mother chose to write about because that's what she experienced. But she didn't get to sit in the classroom all morning and experience what her kid experienced.

I'm assuming that kids made fun of him, because that's what kids freakin do. Didn't you guys go to school?

It speaks to the larger point that if you do something like this, don't be surprised if you get made fun of. You can dream of this utopian world where everyone accepts everyone and everything is gumdrops and sunshine, but that's not reality, and it never will be. You may not like it or agree with it, but that's how it is, so it's up to you how you deal with it.

re: What would you do if this was your son?
 

[quote=firstdown;756465]See she is probably a single mom on food stamps and well fair. She does not mind other intruding in their life when its giving them money but laugh at her gay little son and then it is an issue.[/quote]Did you use this to come up with that post:

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re: What would you do if this was your son?
 

Good point Schneed. I mean I honestly can give two shits about someones sexual preference. I may not agree, but what you do is what you do. However, believe me. I play the dozens with my friends and if you're my homie but you are either a homosexual or a lesbian don't feel like you are absolved of this. Now this is a contract that my friends sign but I mean when did it become a thing that we have to agree on EVERYTHING ?

The fact is that this woman let her son dress up as a woman for Haloween. She saw him whe nshe left the house, she pictured how he would look when he said he wanted to go as Daphnie, and I'm willing to bet the farm that she thought of any "reprocussions" that he would deal with. So honeslty, why was she so suprised. Another parent felt that it wasn't the way to go. If these children talk about the boy or laugh at him, shit stop crying and do some push ups. He had better toughen up his skin because it's going to get a lot worse as the years go by.

re: What would you do if this was your son?
 

i will say that when people give that look like someone just punched them in the gut, because your son is dressed up like a girl on halloween or a white guy is holding hands with a black girl, it really really hits home hard. its unreal how some peoples disgust cant be contained or hidden. c'est la vie to me.

ps - monk, what is the game of "dozens"?

re: What would you do if this was your son?
 

The fact is this is a single mom and if he had a dad around he would not be letting his five yr old go out dress like a little hooker.

re: What would you do if this was your son?
 

[quote=over the mountain;756466]I would not let my son dress in that costume, of course i dont have a kid so im just taking a guess on what my future stance would be.

i also find it strange that the mom starts off by calling/labeling her 5 yr old son as gay. like ralph wiggum said hes "nothing yet".

the nature v nurture debate is interesting. lol i dont know if a bunch of football fan guys typing from their office computers is the best sample or source of knowledge for the discussion thoo.[/quote]

Well it sounds like your going to be a great dad.

re: What would you do if this was your son?
 

[quote=firstdown;756479]The fact is this is a single mom and if he had a dad around he would not be letting his five yr old go out dress like a little hooker.[/quote]


Is it confirmed she is a single mom? Not that it matters just want to prove 1st Down is jumping to conclusions.


This is her user name:

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