I think I found the next Tom Brady..
 

Ricky Stanzi QB, Iowa, I believe will be the next Tom Brady. Why?
If you look at their stats they are almost identical to when Brady was in college, let me list off some of their similarities:

- Both played in the Big Ten
- Both have almost identical winning records
- Both led their teams to major bowl wins and were named MVP
- Both have the same knock on them coming out of college to the pros; "Good arm, highly accurate, highly intelligent, frail framed, winning QB's"
- Both are 6'4, 210-ish lb's
- Both have alright, but not highly touted NFL, receivers to throw to in college
- (Even though Stanzi still has a few more games to play) their touchdown to interception ratio is almost identical.
- they both take what the defense gives them.
- they both played in NFL systems in college
- they both are graded in the later rounds of getting drafted
- they both kind of look alike


Now is Ricky going to be exactly like Tom Brady? No most likely not, but theres definitely a good chance that he ends up being almost as good, and he's definitely worth a draft pick in the 2nd round range IMO.

And being that Shanahan right now isn't too satisfied with McNabb we may take a chance on a guy like this in the draft, especially if we're looking at all these other college QB's right now (Locker,Luck). The one thing Stanzi is which Brady isn't; More mobile, he runs a 4.8 forty.

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Well, like I said in the other thread, I am a Hawkeyes fan so I try to watch all their games. stanzi is a solid QB who has improved but he doesnt have the strongest arm and he's really not all that mobile. Plus he has played with some great OL in front of him. I definitely wouldn't take him in the 2nd round, I don't know how much upside he has honestly. But if he's sitting there in the 5th, sue would love to take a look

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^ like I said his arm isn't great, but then again that was a knock on Brady coming out of college, so again, they're similar and I think he'll do just fine.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;756676]Ricky Stanzi QB, Iowa, I believe will be the next Tom Brady. Why?
If you look at their stats they are almost identical to when Brady was in college, let me list off some of their similarities:

- Both played in the Big Ten
- Both have almost identical winning records
- Both led their teams to major bowl wins and were named MVP
- Both have the same knock on them coming out of college to the pros; "Good arm, highly accurate, highly intelligent, frail framed, winning QB's"
- Both are 6'4, 210-ish lb's
- Both have alright, but not highly touted NFL, receivers to throw to in college
- (Even though Stanzi still has a few more games to play) their touchdown to interception ratio is almost identical.
- they both take what the defense gives them.
- they both played in NFL systems in college
- they both are graded in the later rounds of getting drafted
- they both kind of look alike
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Good job, now go find the next Reggie Wayne, Terrell Davis and Deion Sanders

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If he is graded out as a late round pick, why would we take him in the 2nd?

Like SS said, if he's available in the later rounds, I'd take him. I think next year's draft could be very good qb depth wise, and even if McNabb resigns, we need somebody to groom once it's time to let McNabb go. I think we should take our qb of the future in next year's draft.

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I am 100 percent behind giving Ricky a chance. He also passes the Parcells QB checklist.

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Too bad we don't have a second round pick....or a third round pick

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[quote=SmootSmack;756681]Well, like I said in the other thread, I am a Hawkeyes fan so I try to watch all their games. stanzi is a solid QB who has improved but he doesnt have the strongest arm and he's really not all that mobile. Plus he has played with some great OL in front of him. I definitely wouldn't take him in the 2nd round, I don't know how much upside he has honestly. But if he's sitting there in the 5th, sue would love to take a look[/quote]

Is this Sue one of our talent scouts?

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stanzi has never overly impressed me. solid college qb, nothing more. could be a career backup in the nfl.

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terrible thread.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;756817]Is this Sue one of our talent scouts?[/quote]

Should be, but you know how it is with gender discrimination in the scouting field...

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[url=http://www.fantasyfootballmetrics.com/Player_News/Content/NFL-Draft_2011_Stanzi_2-23-2011.htm]NFL Draft Picks 2011 - Ricky Stanzi the Best QB in the 2011 NFL Draft? - Fantasy Football 2011[/url]

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Again this is great if you have a young first round or second round QB on board. Otherwise it's foolish to pin your hopes on an inaccurate 5th round QB.

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[quote=SmootSmack;756681]Well, like I said in the other thread, I am a Hawkeyes fan so I try to watch all their games. stanzi is a solid QB who has improved but he doesnt have the strongest arm and he's really not all that mobile. Plus he has played with some great OL in front of him. I definitely wouldn't take him in the 2nd round, I don't know how much upside he has honestly. But if he's sitting there in the 5th, sue would love to take a look[/quote]

Can't we simply draft all of his OL?

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so any quarterback with similar college stats is the next Brady? Stupid thread...

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If you're looking for patterns then the next Tom Brady is probably going to be available around 2023.

Johnny Unitas - 1955
Joe Montana - 1979
Tom Brady - 2000

These guys aren't available every year. They are once in a generation type players. Heck they even end up skipping a generation. In short when Tom Brady has been retired for a few years then you can start looking. Otherwise you MIGHT find Matt Cassel, Tony Romo, or Warren Moon if you're lucky.

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What makes Unitas, Montana, and Brady similar? Just out of curiosity

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[quote=SmootSmack;787933]What makes Unitas, Montana, and Brady similar? Just out of curiosity[/quote]

All three were afterthoughts on draft day (9th round, 3rd Round, 6th Round). All three went on to win at least three championships (Unitas was knocked out of his third against the Cowboys in Super Bowl V but still gets credit for starting the game). All three have played in 4 Championship games. All three have defined or will define the QB position for their generation. Montana came into the league 24 years after Unitas and Brady came into the league 21 years after Montana. So on average a "Tom Brady" will come along every 22.5 years.

And now it has come to my attention that their draft round needs to be dividable by 3.

Still the thing to take away from this fun with numbers is that even if there is a "next Tom Brady" the chances of finding him are ridiculously low. By my definition there have only been [B]3[/B] of these guys in the last [B]56 years. [/B]

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Elway and Brady are the best QBs of all time to Me but again that for Another discussion

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[quote=CultBrennan59;756676]Ricky Stanzi QB, Iowa, I believe will be the next Tom Brady. Why?
If you look at their stats they are almost identical to when Brady was in college, let me list off some of their similarities:

- Both played in the Big Ten
- Both have almost identical winning records
- Both led their teams to major bowl wins and were named MVP
- Both have the same knock on them coming out of college to the pros; "Good arm, highly accurate, highly intelligent, frail framed, winning QB's"
- Both are 6'4, 210-ish lb's
- Both have alright, but not highly touted NFL, receivers to throw to in college
- (Even though Stanzi still has a few more games to play) their touchdown to interception ratio is almost identical.
- they both take what the defense gives them.
- they both played in NFL systems in college
- they both are graded in the later rounds of getting drafted
- they both kind of look alike


Now is Ricky going to be exactly like Tom Brady? No most likely not, but theres definitely a good chance that he ends up being almost as good, and he's definitely worth a draft pick in the 2nd round range IMO.

And being that Shanahan right now isn't too satisfied with McNabb we may take a chance on a guy like this in the draft, especially if we're looking at all these other college QB's right now (Locker,Luck). The one thing Stanzi is which Brady isn't; More mobile, he runs a 4.8 forty.[/quote]

The relevant parts of your description of Stanzi sound more like Ponder to me.

I'm not sure about the other parts, i.e., playing in the Big Ten is not really a predictor of future success.

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[quote=SmootSmack;787933]What makes Unitas, Montana, and Brady similar? Just out of curiosity[/quote]

It's definitely not the haircut. LOL.

[IMG]http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l0xsierg291qbye7fo1_500.png[/IMG]

"Now, Johnny Unitas -- there's a haircut you could set your watch to."

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[quote=rbanerjee23;787930]so any quarterback with similar college stats is the next Brady? Stupid thread...[/quote]


Are you going to kick his dog too?

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[quote=Dirtbag59;787935]All three were afterthoughts on draft day (9th round, 3rd Round, 6th Round). All three went on to win at least three championships (Unitas was knocked out of his third against the Cowboys in Super Bowl V but still gets credit for starting the game). All three have played in 4 Championship games. All three have defined or will define the QB position for their generation. Montana came into the league 24 years after Unitas and Brady came into the league 21 years after Montana. So on average a "Tom Brady" will come along every 22.5 years.

And now it has come to my attention that their draft round needs to be dividable by 3.

Still the thing to take away from this fun with numbers is that even if there is a "next Tom Brady" the chances of finding him are ridiculously low. By my definition there have only been [B]3[/B] of these guys in the last [B]56 years. [/B][/quote]

Smoot asked & you responded! Nice summary dirt. I hate to use him as a standard, but how often does the 'next Tony Romo' come along? I mean, the guy is pretty good but he's great for an UDFA. I can't think of any other qb at present that was undrafted.

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[quote=SmootSmack;787933]What makes Unitas, Montana, and Brady similar? Just out of curiosity[/quote]

"Winners"....aside from that I digress. :)

[QUOTE=WaldSkins;756814]Too bad we don't have a second round pick....or a third round pick[/QUOTE]

Yes we do. Just no third I think.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;756742]^ like I said his arm isn't great, but then again that was a knock on Brady coming out of college, so again, they're similar and I think he'll do just fine.[/quote]

I agree, arm strength and mobility are the 2 most over-rated factors in QB evaluation. Lots of QBs have cannons but cant hit water from a boat. Dan Marino was exactly mobile but he did ok because he had pocket presence and knew when to get rid of the ball. Accuracy and smarts are the 2 most important things an NFL QB needs.

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If lack Brady he falls to the 6th round than sure I'm game. Brady also had excellent coaching in NE to help him develop into the player he is today.

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I just posted this up because I too am a Hawkeye fan, and ran across this on Hawkeyenation.com

Here are some links from a Viking site where they have broken down the quarterbacks using "grading systems" that others have mentioned.

This is the brakedown of the first link I posed [url=http://www.dailynorseman.com/2011/3/6/2034220/an-even-more-accurate-system-of-grading-college-quarterbacks]An Even More Accurate System Of Grading College Quarterbacks? - Daily Norseman[/url]

Here is the [URL="http://www.dailynorseman.com/2011/1/30/1964744/quarterback-drafting-rules-the-parcells-principle"]The Parcells Principle[/URL]

And Finally [URL="http://www.dailynorseman.com/2011/1/28/1961801/quarterback-drafting-rules-26-27-60"] The 26-27-60 system[/URL] Wonderlick scores still pending.

Stanzi does well in all of them. He is 0.2 away in completion percentage from passing the 26-27-60.

At the combine he was throwing to a spot, and placing the ball in a place that was only catchable by his receiver. They even commented on this during the coverage on NFL Network.

By all means I am not saying draft Stanzi in the 1st or 2nd round. I am just pointing to all of this evidence that there is something about him that could be great. I wouldn't mind drafting defense early and trading down in the 2nd to get another pick to use on him.

As for great coaching, Ricky has been working with Tom's QB coach... [url=http://news-herald.com/articles/2011/02/23/sports/nh3677984.txt]College football: Stanzi ready, thanks to Brady's coach - news-herald.com[/url]

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So, we're supposed to believe someone named [B]CultBrennan[/B]59 when it comes to scouting QBs? :D

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/08/tom-brady-shows-off-ponytail-dance-moves-in-ri/]Tom Brady shows off ponytail, dance moves in Rio | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;788062][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/08/tom-brady-shows-off-ponytail-dance-moves-in-ri/]Tom Brady shows off ponytail, dance moves in Rio | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

now thats some funny s right there. i feel for him, i'm a tall white guy who can't/doesn't dance as well, but seriously wtf was he doing?

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[quote=mlmdub130;788114]now thats some funny s right there. i feel for him, i'm a tall white guy who can't/doesn't dance as well, but seriously wtf was he doing?[/quote]

what the ****

Tom is sad!!! That ***** must be made of gold

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[quote=rbanerjee23;787930]so any quarterback with similar college stats is the next Brady? Stupid thread...[/quote]

Looks it's no different then fans comparing the other positions to current players. All he's doing is pointing out the similarities.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;787938]Elway and Brady are the best QBs of all time to Me but again that for Another discussion[/quote]

I'll agree with on Brady..... Elway is another story. HALF decent QB in the right place at the right time in the right system. I just don't see the fascination from actually watching him throughout all the years. Personally he looked and sounded like a he didn't have a clue.

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[quote=irish;787967]I agree, arm strength and mobility are the 2 most over-rated factors in QB evaluation. Lots of QBs have cannons but cant hit water from a boat. Dan Marino was exactly mobile but he did ok because he had pocket presence and knew when to get rid of the ball. Accuracy and smarts are the 2 most important things an NFL QB needs.[/quote]

I'll agree with you but a half decent QB like Elway can look good as long as he has Receivers who will look and know to go up and fight for the ball. For whatever reason WR's need the ball placed right in their hands which means the QB needs to be accurate.

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First time I've ever heard anyone say Elway benefited from having the receivers he did

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[url=http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Ricky-Stanzi-is-the-next-Tom-Brady-and-other-ad?urn=ncaaf-167866]Ricky Stanzi is the next Tom Brady, and other adventures in unfiltered coachspeak - Dr. Saturday - NCAAF*Blog - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

[url=http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/football/patriots/view.bg?articleid=1319423&srvc=sports&position=4]Iowa QB echoes Tom Brady - BostonHerald.com[/url]


looks like I'm not the only one who's thought of this comparison...

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[quote=CultBrennan59;756676]Ricky Stanzi QB, Iowa, I believe will be the next Tom Brady. Why?
If you look at their stats they are almost identical to when Brady was in college, let me list off some of their similarities:

- Both played in the Big Ten
- Both have almost identical winning records
- Both led their teams to major bowl wins and were named MVP
- Both have the same knock on them coming out of college to the pros; "Good arm, highly accurate, highly intelligent, frail framed, winning QB's"
- Both are 6'4, 210-ish lb's
- Both have alright, but not highly touted NFL, receivers to throw to in college
- (Even though Stanzi still has a few more games to play) their touchdown to interception ratio is almost identical.
- they both take what the defense gives them.
- they both played in NFL systems in college
- they both are graded in the later rounds of getting drafted
- they both kind of look alike


Now is Ricky going to be exactly like Tom Brady? No most likely not, but theres definitely a good chance that he ends up being almost as good, and he's definitely worth a draft pick in the 2nd round range IMO.

And being that Shanahan right now isn't too satisfied with McNabb we may take a chance on a guy like this in the draft, especially if we're looking at all these other college QB's right now (Locker,Luck). The one thing Stanzi is which Brady isn't; More mobile, he runs a 4.8 forty.[/quote]

Whose Tom Brady?

But seriously, Colt Brennan.... maybe some guys aren't made for the next level.

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[quote=Dread-Skin;788158]Whose Tom Brady?

But seriously, Colt Brennan.... maybe some guys aren't made for the next level.[/quote]

I didn't know Colt Brennan had similar numbers as Tom Brady? I guess he did since you mentioned him. Wow. Yep your right not everyone pans out.

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[quote=SBXVII;788178]I didn't know Colt Brennan had similar numbers as Tom Brady? I guess he did since you mentioned him. Wow. Yep your right not everyone pans out.[/quote]

LOL- Idk, I was attempting to poke at CultBrennan for the irony of finding another "TOM BRADY" when in fact he is a Colt Brennan fan. Colt of course great in college but lacking the next level skill to pan out unlike Tommy who seems to had a mediocre Michigan career but of course is waist deep in....

not sure if were clear on that. Hey what about this Alvin Worthaynes I hear this guy is a team player.