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What a joke. At home, coming off of a bye week and you can't be bothered to prepare for Vick or show up for the game? Out coached, out played and made to look like little bitches on national TV. Worthless.

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Offense is worse than last year. Defense is worse than last year. Worse team than 09?

On the other hand, special teams are much better overall. Just looking for some positives.

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No excuse for tonight. Will they fold it up or bounce back is the real question

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I will be seriously shocked if Jim isn't fired at the end of the season.

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True. The only aspect of this game that I like was the running of Williams. We had no defense, offense, or ST play. Someone needs to lose thier job over this. I'm all about giving people time to grow where they are planted, but this type of performance is unacceptable.

Side note, we did put up 28 points. That's the highest since we played Oakland in December last year.

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We are witnessing Michael Vick becoming a complete QB, which is scary. He pretty much won the game against Indy last week, and played about as good a game at QB as I've ever seen tonight. This was more about Vick's great play than the Skins poor play. The guy was unstoppable.

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[quote=saden1;759304]I will be seriously shocked if Jim isn't fired at the end of the season.[/quote]

Mike Zimmer is on his way...

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[quote=SmootSmack;759303]No excuse for tonight. Will they fold it up or bounce back is the real question[/quote]

Hopefully bounce back, but changes need to be made. Galloway has got to go, we need a healthy RB besides Williams (Portis, Torain and Simpson are/have been hurt) promote Davis. They need to forget about the playoffs and concentrate on the future by playing young players and finding out what they have to offer. Williams and Darrell Young looked good tonight we need more of that.

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I really do miss the containment 4-3 defense. Keeping other teams in check, and giving our low scoring offense. I don't care if we don't get turnovers or whatever. It gives our low scoring offense a ****ing chance.

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I'm so pissed I can't even type coherent sentence.

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We are the second oldest team in the NFL...Are we destined to be a team of underachieving old farts under Snyder ownership? Every time they mention old teams on national TV the Redskins are leading the pack. I envy teams like Chiefs and Bucs. They reloaded and they can only get better with time. We got to get younger and faster.

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[quote=RedskinsfaninBaltimore;759312]I'm so pissed I can't even type coherent sentence.[/quote]

I literally feel ill...my stomach is bubbling.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;759308]Hopefully bounce back, but changes need to be made. Galloway has got to go, we need a healthy RB besides Williams (Portis, Torain and Simpson are/have been hurt) promote Davis. They need to forget about the playoffs and concentrate on the future by playing young players and finding out what they have to offer. Williams and Darrell Young looked good tonight we need more of that.[/quote]

agreed. our receivers need a complete overhaul..except Armstrong.

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[quote=dblanch66;759319]agreed. our receivers need a complete overhaul..except Armstrong.[/quote]

I really want to see what Austin can do.

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[quote=saden1;759313]We are the second oldest team in the NFL...Are we destined to be a team underachieving old farts under Snyder ownership? Every time they mention old teams on national TV the Redskins are leading the pack. I envy teams like Chiefs and Bucs. They reloaded and they can only get better with time. We got to get younger and faster.[/quote]We may still salvage this season yet, but I don't understand those who see some sort of secret rebuilding project in the McNabb and Jammal Brown. The "two-steps backwards is actually three steps forwards" rebuilding argument boggles the mind. The fact that we're not rebuilding doesn't mean that we're quietly rebuilding

We found some young contributors in Trent Williams, Keiland Williams, Brandon Banks, and perhaps Perry Riley, plus some less young contributors in Anthony Armstrong and Lorenzo Alexander. Hope for the future is not all lost. But we're still down some picks next year, and we have absolutely no building advantages over any other team in this league. All we have is hope that this track is the right track.

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How do you have 2 WEEKS to prepare for a team and they come in and violate your manhood? Then... had the nerve to pick a fight before the game AND COULDN'T BACK IT UP IN THEIR OWN DAMN YARD. Bunch of sucka's man.

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[quote=saden1;759313]We are the second oldest team in the NFL...Are we destined to be a team of underachieving old farts under Snyder ownership? Every time they mention old teams on national TV the Redskins are leading the pack. I envy teams like Chiefs and Bucs. They reloaded and they can only get better with time. We got to get younger and faster.[/quote]The fastest way to get younger and faster, not to mention less cap prohibitive is to stockpile and make wise draft picks. It's time to stop thinking that we are a free agent away from a deep playoff run. Teams like New England, Philly, and Green Bay are loaded with young players selected through the draft. Snyder always seems to be on a 2-3 year plan without sufficient picks to get younger, so we build more through FA than through the draft. We've had it backward for years, and will continue to be mediocre at best until we change our approach to building the team.

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[quote=hagams;759305]True. The only aspect of this game that I like was the running of Williams. We had no defense, offense, or ST play. Someone needs to lose thier job over this. I'm all about giving people time to grow where they are planted, but this type of performance is unacceptable.

Side note, [B]we did put up 28 points. That's the highest since we played Oakland in December last year[/B].[/quote]

Probably wouldn't have happened if the Eagles didn't almost always have a four-touchdown lead after the 1st quarter...Their defense took it down a few notches after the big lead.

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[quote=SouperMeister;759330]The fastest way to get younger and faster, not to mention less cap prohibitive is to stockpile and make wise draft picks. It's time to stop thinking that we are a free agent away from a deep playoff run. Teams like New England, Philly, and Green Bay are loaded with young players selected through the draft. Snyder always seems to be on a 2-3 year plan without sufficient picks to get younger, so we build more through FA than through the draft. We've had it backward for years, and will continue to be mediocre at best until we change our approach to building the team.[/quote]

We can also trade away guys like Fletch and Moss for picks. However, not only is the number of picks is important, but which year the picks are in, as some draft classes are stronger than others.

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You usually don't get really good draft picks from trading veterans, even if they're good performers. The only time I've seen knockout draft picks offered were for "franchise" qb's (Chicago was obviously on one).

The teams that stockpile picks usually do so during the draft. If there's a player that slips that another team really wants, you sacrifice short-term for future gain. If the scouting department has done its job, there should be three or four players you're willing to draft if the others are taken- meaning, trade back if you can. Trade current picks for more picks down the road.

Unfortunately, we're almost at a point where we'll need every pick we have during the upcoming drafts. I just hope BA is saavy enough to get it done- is the fanbase amenable to doing it the right way, even if it means having 3 or 4 win seasons for the next few years?

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;759335]Probably wouldn't have happened if the Eagles didn't almost always have a four-touchdown lead after the 1st quarter...Their defense took it down a few notches after the big lead.[/quote]

After they scored 35 points, they mercifully let us make plays. There's no way we sniff 28 points if they didn't dial it down. Everytime we acted like we were going to try to get something going, they just knocked us back down. I wish we could put up 28 points on Off.. There's no way to put a spin on this one folks, sorry.

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Monday night was a disgrace! Comin' off the bye...and see this! Tried to pound square pegs into round holes with the 3-4 D this season...it isn't working!!!! WILL NOT beat Titans on Sunday...can't beat an AFC opponent. And the new contract...unbelievable!!!! Lucky to win 2 games rest of season. :soapbox: OOONOOOO we suck again!!!!!

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We don't suck. We had our ass kicked by A good team with the best QB in the NFL playing LIGHTS OUT.

Stop acting like you got your Barbie doll snatch away. 7 games left. We got our ASS kicked 2night.

Shit happens...not that bad,but it happens. Lets just hope that it does'nt happen again.

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Here's an interesting question. Who will make the playoffs first? The Wizards who are emphasizing building through the draft or the Redskins who continue to take a win now approach to the offseason.

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Last time I checked it still only counts as 1 loss whether you lose by 1 or by 50 points. And i'm pretty sure the Eagles only get 1 win out of the deal as well.

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[quote=gibbsisgod;759345]Last time I checked it still only counts as 1 loss whether you lose by 1 or by 50 points. And i'm pretty sure the Eagles only get 1 win out of the deal as well.[/quote]

But now you have a team that's loosing faith in the system, lacking self confidence, and game film that lays out a blueprint for how to simply manhandle our defense.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;759346]But now you have a team that's loosing faith in the system, lacking self confidence, and game film that lays out a blueprint for how to simply manhandle our defense.[/quote]I would agree about the losing self confidence part. But few teams even have the personnel to do what the Eagles did last night. They could do nothing wrong right after they returner dropped the opening kickoff.

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[quote=itvnetop;759337]You usually don't get really good draft picks from trading veterans, even if they're good performers. The only time I've seen knockout draft picks offered were for "franchise" qb's (Chicago was obviously on one).

The teams that stockpile picks usually do so during the draft. If there's a player that slips that another team really wants, you sacrifice short-term for future gain. If the scouting department has done its job, there should be three or four players you're willing to draft if the others are taken- meaning, trade back if you can. Trade current picks for more picks down the road.

Unfortunately, we're almost at a point where we'll need every pick we have during the upcoming drafts. I just hope BA is saavy enough to get it done- [B]is the fanbase amenable to doing it the right way, even if it means having 3 or 4 win seasons for the next few years?[/B][/quote]

Problem is, we're headed for 3-4 win seasons and still not doing it the right way.

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There is no way in hell this team goes to the playoffs this year. We are not 1 or 2 players away from a playoff season. We need to build through the draft and badly overhaul this team. Sadly, it could take a few seasons, but we need to get younger and faster.

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I'm back on that 'I hate this team' thing.

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Yea I don't see how they keep haslett

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[quote=saden1;759301]What a joke. At home, coming off of a bye week and you can't be bothered to prepare for Vick or show up for the game? Out coached, out played and made to look like little bitches on national TV. Worthless.[/quote]

You couldnt have said it better.

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Last nights loss wasn't even close to being the worst part of my night

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[quote=skinsfaninok;759360]Last nights loss wasn't even close to being the worst part of my night[/quote]

I am sorry to hear that sir. Hope all is ok

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[quote=skinsfaninok;759360]Last nights loss wasn't even close to being the worst part of my night[/quote]


Oh do tell???

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I can't believe people are asking for firings and people to lose their job.

You do realize these head coaches inherited a team with NO TALENT. I don't understand why Skins fans fall in love with all these players just because they know their names. The offensive line is still in shambles. It's going to take a while to rebuild that with good players. Like someone else said, we are an old team. It's going to take a while to get younger.

You cannot pin all these points on the the 3-4 defense. Don't forget that's the ONLY reason we have one four games this year - the turnovers they have been able to create.

Once again, I think it comes down to what I see over and over again; Vick had all day to throw with a comfortable five seconds, while McNabb usually only had three seconds or less to throw the ball.

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[quote=GTripp0012;759302]Offense is worse than last year. Defense is worse than last year. Worse team than 09?

On the other hand, special teams are much better overall. Just looking for some positives.[/quote]

Exactly, what's even more shocking is the koolaid drinkers who have the audacity to give Shannhan a B on this coaching job. Frankly, it's been no better than Jim Zorn's team.

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i have seriously been a hard core fan for like 25 years if not for this message board and the cool folks on it I would have jumped ship in the last 3 years.

I feel like this team has no future it is just so F--ked.

I was born in Fairfax but grew up in RI (where all my family is). My dad latched o nto the skins when we lived in Fairfax we are talking 1973. So I basically cheer for all NE teams expect the Pats. The Pats are looking really good right now.

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[quote=saden1;759313]We got to get younger and faster.[/quote]
After watching last night this ^^^^^is a must! With Vick it seems like we are seeing the next generation of QB. Only problem is, everyone else is playing old school. It was weird to watch. He would stand there and draw us in and then shake us like 8 year old children.

We put up 28 points but unfortunately that still does not cut it. We need a more explosive offense as well.

I don't think we are worse than 09' I just think we are playing teams that are also better than 09' and the result on the field is all relevant.

It's obvious we got a long way to go. Not sure if it's all personnel or we just need more time together as a team and system. Probably a mixture of both. We do need to get younger and faster for sure.

As bad as it was last night, we did have some glimmers of good football play. It wasn't a complete blowout. And considering we were down 30+, I think we made a game of it as well as can be expected. I mean I was feeling disoriented, the players must have been completely shell shocked.

I did like Williams.

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We ran into a heck of a buzzsaw last night. I think that game told us more about the Eagles than it did the Redskins. The Skins are still a .500 team at best and are a year away from being able to run with the big dogs, we just don't have the talent to compete right now.

The Eagles on the other hand are poised for a serious SB run if Vick stays healthy.