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Well, yes, it absolutely SUCKS that our team got demolished last Monday night. Also to add that we got demolished by a division opponent.

However, there is something to consider in order to keep our chins up.

I was having a "YouTube" moment the other night and found the 1991 NFC Championship game between our beloved Redskins and the Atlanta Falcons. Yes, this was the year of "Too Legit To Quit". This was the year where the Redskins demolished the Falcons...something like 56-17 or something to that effect, during the regular season. Anyway, did the Falcons pack up and call it a season after that? Nope....they still made the second round of the playoffs that year and played the Redskins a bit closer in the playoffs.

My point is, I think a team sometimes needs things like this to happen to wake them up and realize that there are repercussions to accepting mediocrity and it catches up to you after awhile. I think a team also needs things like this to happen to see who is going to quit on you and who isn't when the going gets tough. If anything, I think Monday's massacre makes it easier for Shanny and the coaching staff to see who is going to be playing here next year and who they are shipping out. All my opinion of course, but you never know..this could be the thing that scares this team into turning things around. OR, it could be the one that sends them into a tailspin, downward spiral....but hey, I like to think optimistically...LOL! :food-smil

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[quote=skinsguy;759829]Well, yes, it absolutely SUCKS that our team got demolished last Monday night. Also to add that we got demolished by a division opponent.

However, there is something to consider in order to keep our chins up.

I was having a "YouTube" moment the other night and found the 1991 NFC Championship game between our beloved Redskins and the Atlanta Falcons. Yes, this was the year of "Too Legit To Quit". This was the year where the Redskins demolished the Falcons...something like 56-17 or something to that effect, during the regular season. Anyway, did the Falcons pack up and call it a season after that? Nope....they still made the second round of the playoffs that year and played the Redskins a bit closer in the playoffs.

My point is, I think a team sometimes needs things like this to happen to wake them up and realize that there are repercussions to accepting mediocrity and it catches up to you after awhile. I think a team also needs things like this to happen to see who is going to quit on you and who isn't when the going gets tough. If anything, I think Monday's massacre makes it easier for Shanny and the coaching staff to see who is going to be playing here next year and who they are shipping out. All my opinion of course, but you never know..this could be the thing that scares this team into turning things around. OR, it could be the one that sends them into a tailspin, downward spiral....but hey, I like to think optimistically...LOL! :food-smil[/quote]

I like your positive thinking, but the sad thing is, the Redskins keep getting blowed out like this over the years, with seemingly nothing changing. And I imagine the team learned absolutley nothing following their loss at the hands of the eagles.

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Blowed out eh? Someone's been hanging around Emmitt Smith.

This team has handled adversity like this before, not sure how they [I]couldn't[/I] learn anything after a loss like that.

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/deangelo-hall/redskins-try-to-regroup-after.html#more]Redskins Insider - Redskins try to regroup after Monday nightmare[/url]

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During the 2005 playoff season we lost 36-0 to the Giants. So a bounce-back is possible. Problem is, that '05 team was more talented than this one, I think.

Every now and then, a team needs to have its pants yanked down for a good fanny-paddling. They got theirs the other night, in front of millions. Maybe that'll do the trick.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;759831]I like your positive thinking, but the sad thing is, the Redskins keep getting blowed out like this over the years, with seemingly nothing changing. And I imagine the team learned absolutley nothing following their loss at the hands of the eagles.[/quote]

I have often wondered just what it is you can learn from a beat-down like that. I often hear both coaches and players using the phrase after a loss like that, but have yet to understand what it is you actually learn.

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[quote=Beemnseven;759837]During the 2005 playoff season we lost 36-0 to the Giants. So a bounce-back is possible. Problem is, that '05 team was more talented than this one, I think.

Every now and then, a team needs to have its pants yanked down for a good fanny-paddling. They got theirs the other night, in front of millions. Maybe that'll do the trick.[/quote]


That's exactly what I'm thinking. I had just had the same conversation with a friend of mine at work (who is a diehard Eagles fan by the way.) I remembered the beating the Giants put on us back in that year, and the point where the team was like 5-6 before making a playoff run. Of course, there are a few things that are different but I think this team still has the talent to make some sort of a run. I just hope they have learned something from Monday night.

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It's a gut check/self evaluation type of learning experience. You find the true measure of a man during success and/or adversity. If someone comes out of that learning nothing about themselves, I think that's someone you don't want on your team.

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[QUOTE=Longtimefan]I have often wondered just what it is you can learn from a beat-down like that. I often hear both coaches and players using the phrase after a loss like that, but have yet to understand what it is you actually learn.[/QUOTE]


I think they learned what the outcome of a professional football game can be when one team shows up mentally and physically prepared, and the other team looks like it could care less, gives absolutely zero effort, and spends the first quarter daydreaming about their vacation during the bye week.

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I'm thinking Shanahan has learned who wants to quit **cough cough Hanesworth** and who's willing to hang in there and play until the very end (London Fletcher.)

We need a team of London Fletchers on this team!

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I'm not even sure I buy the lack of effort thing, seems like a lame excuse the fans like to go to. Some of the players on Twitter were really taking offense to the idea they weren't playing hard.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;759831]I like your positive thinking, but the sad thing is, the Redskins keep getting blowed out like this over the years, with seemingly nothing changing. [B]And I imagine the team learned absolutley nothing following their loss at the hands of the eagles[/B].[/quote]

You really think that?

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[quote=Mattyk;759849]I'm not even sure I buy the lack of effort thing, seems like a lame excuse the fans like to go to. Some of the players on Twitter were really taking offense to the idea they weren't playing hard.[/quote]

I thought the team played pretty hard through out the game.

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Now see me, after it was clear the game was out of hand, i thought the players looked as though they didnt want to be there...

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[quote=Longtimefan;759839]I have often wondered just what it is you can learn from a beat-down like that. I often hear both coaches and players using the phrase after a loss like that, but have yet to understand what it is you actually learn.[/quote]

You learn to wear a disguise in public.

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[quote=Beemnseven;759844]I think they learned what the outcome of a professional football game can be when one team shows up mentally and physically prepared, and the other team looks like it could care less, gives absolutely zero effort, and spends the first quarter daydreaming about their vacation during the bye week.[/quote]

These guys are supposed to be professionals, they should know the meaning of preperation and what it means to show-up ready to play. If they have to take a 59-28 beat down to learn the meaning of being a professional, then maybe they should go back to the level they played before they decided to call themselves professional. NE served up the last [learn from it] 54-7 a few years ago, some of those same players are still on the team saying the same thing.

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What this team should be doing is focusing on next year, start playing young guys and give them experience. Promote Austin, Davis, Cook, play Riley and let's see what they can provide and give them experience.

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[quote=Mattyk;759849]I'm not even sure I buy the lack of effort thing, seems like a lame excuse the fans like to go to. Some of the players on Twitter were really taking offense to the idea they weren't playing hard.[/quote]


I don't believe it's a lack of effort across the board, but I would be hard pressed to believe that every single active player on the field was giving it 110%. IF in fact they were, Lord help us is all I'm saying!

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If you need something positive, this helps :)

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Gives me a tear in the eye! Man how I miss Sean Taylor!

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I'm tired of looking back at history its time to make some new history for this team. No Monday nights record setting game is not what I'm talking about.

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[quote=skinsguy;759829]Well, yes, it absolutely SUCKS that our team got demolished last Monday night. Also to add that we got demolished by a division opponent.

However, there is something to consider in order to keep our chins up.

I was having a "YouTube" moment the other night and found the 1991 NFC Championship game between our beloved Redskins and the Atlanta Falcons. Yes, this was the year of "Too Legit To Quit". This was the year where the Redskins demolished the Falcons...something like 56-17 or something to that effect, during the regular season. Anyway, did the Falcons pack up and call it a season after that? Nope....they still made the second round of the playoffs that year and played the Redskins a bit closer in the playoffs.

My point is, I think a team sometimes needs things like this to happen to wake them up and realize that there are repercussions to accepting mediocrity and it catches up to you after awhile. I think a team also needs things like this to happen to see who is going to quit on you and who isn't when the going gets tough. If anything, I think Monday's massacre makes it easier for Shanny and the coaching staff to see who is going to be playing here next year and who they are shipping out. All my opinion of course, but you never know..this could be the thing that scares this team into turning things around. OR, it could be the one that sends them into a tailspin, downward spiral....but hey, I like to think optimistically...LOL! :food-smil[/quote]

We are thinking very much the same way brother. Good perspective!

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Whether it was because Monday was an anomaly or because the Redskins in fact learned something from the beat-down, the game against the Titans will set the tone for the rest of the season. If we go out there and get crushed due to lackluster football, our season will slide into abject misery. If we play hard -- even if we don't win, but make a compelling showing that we're a team to be reckoned with -- it will say something else about the team.

Let's hope for the latter and not the former.

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Well, to me it just confirmed my worst fears, that we really are far from being contenders. ANother aspect or angle was touched on by Jason Whitlock from Foxsports.com, in that he thought the players might have just quit on Shanny because of the Donovan debacle. IF there is any credence to that angle there might be more trouble ahead if the L column starts to get a lot bigger. Zorny lost the locker room after the Detroit debacle last season, it would be a shame if Shanny started to lose it after this Lions loss. Our FO needs to drop the win now crap and focus on building a team, and get a youth movement going. The acquisition of Galloway and Roydell Williams was a waste. Whatever the reason for getting them, it has proven to be faulty. Getting De angelo Hall was the decent move made recently, but with our pass defense ranked 31st, he isn't that great, unless he can keep getting 2-4 picks a game. Our first two picks need to be linemen and maybe we can sneak a good WR with our 3rd pick.

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I tought getting Donovan was a great move at the time, but we all should have thought better of it in hindsight. Great QBs always are surrounded with top notch talent. Manning, Brady, or Breeze would suck with this offensive roster.

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[quote=firstdown;759922]I'm tired of looking back at history its time to make some new history for this team. No Monday nights record setting game is not what I'm talking about.[/quote]


I agree, at 40 all the great Skins SBs are nothing more than a distant memory for me. Shoot even the Norv/Gus era is growing hazy. All we have been stuck with since 2000 is crappy football and dumb FO moves to keep us gabbing about the team. Enough of the playing around!!!!! Get to work and build a team.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;760077]Well, to me it just confirmed my worst fears, that we really are far from being contenders. ANother aspect or angle was touched on by Jason Whitlock from Foxsports.com, in that he thought the players might have just quit on Shanny because of the Donovan debacle. IF there is any credence to that angle there might be more trouble ahead if the L column starts to get a lot bigger. Zorny lost the locker room after the Detroit debacle last season, it would be a shame if Shanny started to lose it after this Lions loss. Our FO needs to drop the win now crap and focus on building a team, and get a youth movement going. The acquisition of Galloway and Roydell Williams was a waste. Whatever the reason for getting them, it has proven to be faulty. Getting De angelo Hall was the decent move made recently, but with our pass defense ranked 31st, he isn't that great, unless he can keep getting 2-4 picks a game. Our first two picks need to be linemen and maybe we can sneak a good WR with our 3rd pick.[/quote]

Whitlock, like Feinstein though less overtly, has been hinting for a couple of weeks now that it's because DM5 is black. He's a moron

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Monday night made me think back to the famous "Body Bag Game", which was also versus Philly on a Monday night 20 years ago. The Iggles whipped us physically every way they could that night, knocking out 10+ players, including all of our QBs - B. Mitch had to finish the game at QB! Yet come playoff time, we went to Philly, and got our revenge, beating them by 2 TDs. The best part was that big mouth Buddy Ryan, who gloated so loudly after the Body Bag Game, was fired after that playoff loss. Other than our Super Bowl wins, and two NFC Championship victories over Dallas, this is my favorite Redskins victory (and redemption).

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[quote=Beemnseven;759837]During the 2005 playoff season we lost 36-0 to the Giants. So a bounce-back is possible. Problem is, that '05 team was more talented than this one, I think.

Every now and then, a team needs to have its pants yanked down for a good fanny-paddling. They got theirs the other night, in front of millions. Maybe that'll do the trick.[/quote]

In 2005 we had Joe Gibbs as head coach also. Some coaches know how to get the most out of their players. Gibbs was great at taking what he had and working it to the best.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;760077]Well, to me it just confirmed my worst fears, that we really are far from being contenders. ANother aspect or angle was touched on by Jason Whitlock from Foxsports.com, in that he thought [B]the players might have just quit on Shanny because of the Donovan debacle. IF there is any credence to that angle there might be more trouble ahead if the L column starts to get a lot bigger.[/B] Zorny lost the locker room after the Detroit debacle last season, it would be a shame if Shanny started to lose it after this Lions loss. Our FO needs to drop the win now crap and focus on building a team, and get a youth movement going. The acquisition of Galloway and Roydell Williams was a waste. Whatever the reason for getting them, it has proven to be faulty. Getting De angelo Hall was the decent move made recently, but with our pass defense ranked 31st, he isn't that great, unless he can keep getting 2-4 picks a game. Our first two picks need to be linemen and maybe we can sneak a good WR with our 3rd pick.[/quote]

When you hear the phrase, "the coach has lost the locker room" it seems to imply that the coach is a goner. That won't be the case here. If anyone quits on Shanahan, it'll be the player that's gone, not the head coach.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;759831]I like your positive thinking, but the sad thing is, the Redskins keep getting blowed out like this over the years, with seemingly nothing changing. And I imagine the team learned absolutley nothing following their loss at the hands of the eagles.[/quote]

Blowed out. :goodjob:

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To those who say Monday night was due to a lack of effort, I am shocked. They were caught off guard right away and had trouble figuring out what Philly was doing. Once they did get an idea, it was too late. It has taken me until today to be able to admit this, but Monday was just their day to really shine and get everything going on all cylinders.

The question to ask is if the players can rebound from Monday Night and go to Tenn. and show that they are actually better then that.

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Guys, this year's Skins team is probably a 6-10 or 7-9 squad. Even if they make the playoffs, they are not going to beat a Saints team or Giants team or after Monday night, an Eagles team with Michael Vick. Way too many holes to fill to do much this year. The Skins are a major youth movement away from anyone taking them serious.