Is anyone else just absolutely disgusted with DM5's play?
 

This guy just totally sucks. His accuracy is non existent and he can't hold on to the damn ball. Does anyone else say shit can this guy? I was almost a believer earlier in the season but now I'm convinced I was right when Danny boy signed him. Bad move. Hoping and praying for Cam Newton in the draft.

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put any qb behind that line and you will look like crap

They didn't seem to think so with JC. They obviously thought the line was good enough that he should have had a better year. I feel like JC got a raw deal from the Skins. Should have stuck with him and bucked up the O line more. Not just one draft pick.

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I am disgusted with the year in general. DM5 made a dumb move when he fumbled the ball last week but the whole team played like that. That play says a lot on the team and the coaches. So yeah I am disgusted with DM5 and the other 52 players and their coaching staff.

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[quote=warpaint;767155]I am disgusted with the year in general. DM5 made a dumb move when he fumbled the ball last week but the whole team played like that. That play says a lot on the team and the coaches. So yeah I am disgusted with DM5 and the other 52 players and their coaching staff.[/quote]

51 players...

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We're going to have these same threads no matter who's throwing the ball if the OL isn't fixed for the next 3-4 years. Weren't we screaming for JC to get canned and now DMac? Fix the OL, till then, even Tom Brady couldn't do anything.

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Let's see... A ROOKIE LT, No Run Game at all and no true number 1 WR and you blame it all on 5??? Cmon man! You must not watch this team on a regular basis if your just blaming it all on DMc.. Yea he's played pretty Avg this season but who does he have to help him out? CC is amazing but he's not a huge threat to any D and Moss is getting older and older. No QB would be dominating with this group unless it's Brady or Manning IMO

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[quote=skinsfaninok;767158]Let's see... A ROOKIE LT, No Run Game at all and no true number 1 WR and you blame it all on 5??? Cmon man! You must not watch this team on a regular basis if your just blaming it all on DMc.. Yea he's played pretty Avg this season but who does he have to help him out? CC is amazing but he's not a huge threat to any D and Moss is getting older and older. No QB would be dominating with this group unless it's Brady or Manning IMO[/quote]

Your underselling Trent big time. He's our best O-linemen in pass-pro. He's outplayed everyone else on the o-line all season. It's the others who are sucking.

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We, the knowledgeable fans, knew what McNabb brought to the table.

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[quote=diehard;767160]We, the knowledgeable fans, knew what McNabb brought to the table.[/quote]

I'm pretty sure a couple of Philly fans have seen comments similar to the ones in the opening post around our fanbase and can't help but laugh. In fact I saw a lot of Philly fans predicting that we would eventually feel this way. I just personally thought it wouldn't be this soon.

The question we need to answer now is weather DM5 is a Kurt Warner or a Daunte Culpepper/Matt Hasselbeck. Obviously I'd hate to let Donovan go to another team and pull a B Lloyd on us especially since McNabb doesn't even come close to the amount of a luggage that a guy like Lloyd came with. However it would suck to hold onto him only to find out that he's done.

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[quote=Gmanc711;767156]51 players...[/quote]

I thought it was 53 on gameday minus AH would equal 52 right. School me so I dont feel like a fool.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;767158]Let's see... A ROOKIE LT, No Run Game at all and no true number 1 WR and you blame it all on 5??? Cmon man! You must not watch this team on a regular basis if your just blaming it all on DMc.. Yea he's played pretty Avg this season but who does he have to help him out? CC is amazing but he's not a huge threat to any D and Moss is getting older and older. No QB would be dominating with this group unless it's [B]Brady or Manning IMO[/quote][/B]

NO NO NO NO. Stop right there both Brady and Manning fold when they have real pressure coming from up the middle and on the edges. D.Mac has been shitted on his whole career for stuff he cant control. I want him as my team CAPTAIN and I hope he comes back next year.

I just cant see a lot of your thinking here as a Skins fan.

We asked for Cerrato to leave and Danny Boy to take his hands off the team. Danny Boy finally does it we still have a little rift raft left and everyone expects 10 years of neglect to be fixed in 7 to 10 months. The reason we are in this position is because D.Snyder thinks like us he is a fan. Now I am so hopeful to the future with this team the reason being is I think this dude has finally got it.

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New team, new teammates, new offense...I'm cutting him some slack for those reasons. Not to mention the fact that we have Santana and co dropping balls on the ground or have them bounce of them for INTs.

Next year I expect him to be on fire.

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McNabb has been pretty much what I expected, although refreshingly durable for some reason. That brittleness was the first thing that came to mind about McNabb and it's been more of a minor continuous issue. It does appear our starting QB is going to make 16 starts for the third year in a row, which is no small feat.

McNabb is an average player. He wasn't always an average player, but he is now. Next year, he'll likely still be average. He's worth about what his contract says he's worth.

We have much bigger fish to fry in the offseason than McNabb, in part because we didn't use that pick we traded for him to solve those issues. The biggest difference from the Campbell era is that there's no outside hope (for me) that McNabb might somehow become the franchise in 2013. He is about as good as his level of play, which I hope is close to what we were expecting when we picked him up (perhaps with fewer INTs), because he's been healthier than we could have reasonable expected.

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I've said it over and over again. While I have the utmost respect for DM and what he has done in his career, the bottom line is that Philly knew he was on his last legs and despite the fact that his last season was good in PHI, they knew he couldnt be counted on for the future.

Donovan is nearing the end as an elite QB, and i'm sure he can hang on for a few years and be a Mark Brunell type player (doing enough to win, veteran smarts, etc), but his elite days are over with and he would need all star players like he had in PHI to even resemble his former pro-bowl self. He doesnt have that here, and he won't.

It isnt a knock on him or us, it's just our team is not like Philly. We are better off trying to keep McNabb for one more year, and drafting a QB to learn the system while we beef up the O-Line...

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[quote=GTripp0012;767166]McNabb has been pretty much what I expected, although refreshingly durable for some reason. That brittleness was the first thing that came to mind about McNabb and it's been more of a minor continuous issue. It does appear our starting QB is going to make 16 starts for the third year in a row, which is no small feat.

[B]McNabb is an average player[/B]. He wasn't alwayNext year, he'll likely still be average. He's worth about what his contract says he's worth.s an average player, but he is now.

We have much bigger fish to fry in the offseason than McNabb, in part because we didn't use that pick we traded for him to solve those issues. The biggest difference from the Campbell era is that there's no outside hope (for me) that McNabb might somehow become the franchise in 2013. He is about as good as his level of play, which I hope is close to what we were expecting when we picked him up (perhaps with fewer INTs), because he's been healthier than we could have reasonable expected.[/quote]

McNabb Is a average player running for his life.

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DM has no running game, terrible WRs and a crummy O line so its tough to look good or make anything happen. DM is past his prime but if he had some weapons he'd be playing much better.

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He hasn't earned anything other than my nick name for him; #2 + #3!

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[quote=irish;767171]DM has no running game, terrible WRs and a crummy O line so its tough to look good or make anything happen. DM is past his prime but if he had some weapons he'd be playing much better.[/quote]

Neither do the Colts but their offense still functions. And before you call me crazy remember this is a team thats ranked 32nd in rushing. Their starting Left Tackle is a 6th round pick who's playing next to an undrafted free agent LG that was so good, we decided to cut him during his rookie year. Not to mention their receiving corps is going down faster then the Lusitania. Imagine what would happen if that description matched the Skins personnel.

Now obviously we can't expect McNabb to put up a 90 plus rating with some of the problems we've had on the offensive side of the ball, but I'm pretty sure we can expect a passer rating above 80. Especially considering the system he's in as well as the fact that he does have a decent receiving corps.

Usually a good QB can cover up a lot of deficiencies. I hate to break it to everyone but we're not going to have a line that reads top 5 pick, 2nd rounder, 1st rounder, big name free agent, 1st rounder. Fortunately we might be able to patch up the receiving corps through free agency and take it to the next level but still. I certainly expected better then 12 TD passes especially given all the red zone opportunities this team has had.

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After the houston game I was so pumped that we finally had a good qb,but as we all know now Houston's pass defense makes everyone look all pro.Mcnabb since then has looked JC like.The problem is how I see it,Snyder wants to win now and will not draft a QB to "groom".Looking back now I wish we would have kept JC and or drafted bradford.I wouldnt care if they let Mcnabb go,just about any journeyman QB could put up his numbers,Grossman included.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;767161]I'm pretty sure a couple of Philly fans have seen comments similar to the ones in the opening post around our fanbase and can't help but laugh. In fact I saw a lot of Philly fans predicting that we would eventually feel this way. I just personally thought it wouldn't be this soon.

[B]The question we need to answer now is weather DM5 is a Kurt Warner or a Daunte Culpepper/Matt Hasselbeck.[/B] Obviously I'd hate to let Donovan go to another team and pull a B Lloyd on us especially since McNabb doesn't even come close to the amount of a luggage that a guy like Lloyd came with. However it would suck to hold onto him only to find out that he's done.[/quote]

Nice question, Dirt. Warner came back w/the Cards & played at a pro bowl level after he looked totally done w/the g-men. I think McNabb has it in him. I know he's looked bad at times, but he's also shown more leadership & playmaking ability than JC.

Has anyone considered that McNabb has been mentally exhausted by this season too? The whole team looked bad sunday, the collective psyche of the team seems tired. I'm not making excuses, but there were/are a lot of transitions being undertaken this year. I think McNabb & Shan/Allen deserve another year before we start to reconsider what they've started.

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McNabb was won us a couple more games that JC wouldnt have, so I see that as an upgrade. Sure hes on the downside of his career, but he is our best option at this point. I think you look elsewhere on this team to point fingers at this time. Our roster is generally lacking in talent. Shanny brought in 24 new guys and gutted alot of salary and age, look for this trend to continue in the offseason.

We have a 1st and a 2nd in the draft, we have a larger market of free agents...this team was not a playoff team coming into this year. McNabb, the entire offense and defense are under new schemes, coaching staffs, etc. Lets give it a little time

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If it's getting harder for us fans to watch the Skins, imagine how hard it is to go out and play for them. McNabb is playing on the Skins. What do you want him to do to stand out? The Oline sucks so he's feeling unbelievable pressure. When he does have a little time in the backfield, his receivers are not open. The play calling is conservative at best. No RB to dump it off to. No play action, no screens, nothing to help him out.

Can't judge DM this season.

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It was my belief at the time McNabb was traded for, he was overvalued. Many of the mistakes we see him make are not the direct result of the ineffectiveness of the O/L, mistakes you wouldn't expect to see repeated from a 12yr. veteran being adorned with celebrity status.

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Brian Baldinger once characterized McNabb as being a flawed quarterback, based on his play at times it's hard to argue his assessment.

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As usual the QB is to blame. :doh:

I'm more disappointed with the team overall than just individual players.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;767173]Neither do the Colts but their offense still functions.[/quote]

Not really a completely fair comparison since the Colts have had that same system since Manning came into the league. And even then they've certainly had their share of struggles this year.

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[quote=Longtimefan;767181]It was my belief at the time McNabb was traded for, he was overvalued. Many of the mistakes we see him make are not the direct result of the ineffectiveness of the O/L, mistakes you wouldn't expect to see repeated from a 12yr. veteran being adorned with celebrity status.

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Brian Baldinger once characterized McNabb as being a flawed quarterback, based on his play at times it's hard to argue his assessment.[/quote]

The Redskins overvalued him. Thats not on DM. He has always been inconsistent. When he's hot he's the best in the NFL, when he's off, he's off. That's what you get with DM.

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[quote=Mattyk;767183]As usual the QB is to blame. :doh:

I'm more disappointed with the team overall than just individual players.[/quote]

No one player alone is ever totally responsible for either the success or failure of a team. All too often in the game of football the coach or the QB get to share in the majority of credit or blame, for failure or success depending on the circumstance.

In the Redskins case when it comes to blame, there's more than enough gathered already and it can be spread out throughout the team. McNabb himself has admitted on more than one occasion that he hasn't played well this season. When the team can't depend on it's leader to perform well on game day, that lack of confidence can have a trickle down effect.....

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[quote=44ever;767180]If it's getting harder for us fans to watch the Skins, [B]imagine how hard it is to go out and play for them[/B]. McNabb is playing on the Skins. What do you want him to do to stand out? The Oline sucks so he's feeling unbelievable pressure. When he does have a little time in the backfield, his receivers are not open. The play calling is conservative at best. No RB to dump it off to. No play action, no screens, nothing to help him out.

Can't judge DM this season.[/quote]

That pretty much sums up my point too.

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I'm not disgusted. He is what he is. He'll make some great throws and he'll make some terrible throws. He's consistenly inconsistent. I'm a little disappointed with the turnovers cause before he got here it seems like he was good at taking care of the ball. I think he can still play, he just needs better players around him.

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[quote=Mattyk;767184]Not really a completely fair comparison since the Colts have had that same system since Manning came into the league. And even then they've certainly had their share of struggles this year.[/quote]

If McNabb was still on Philly I don't think he would be putting up the numbers that Vick is. Vick actually throws a better ball and is more accurate.

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[quote=skinsfan69;767209]If McNabb was still on Philly I don't think he would be putting up the numbers that Vick is. Vick actually throws a better ball and is more accurate.[/quote]

Would they still be winning though? I think so.

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I'm not disgusted but I'm concerned.
I never thought that he would play this poorly.
Imo he turns down far too many move the chain type passes to force the ball into tighter coverage or just to chuck it deep.
He's boom or bust on a team who's solve chance for offensive success hinges on efficiency.
I keep waiting for McNabb to snap out of it and I'm still waiting for Kyle to run the ball more and use or personnel better and create mis-matches that make the McNabb's read more well defined.

I believe that right now McNabb is indeed holding the offense back.
The question is back from what? League average or better?

But if not McNabb then who?

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Absolutely disgusted? Not at all. Part of what McNabb brings is the intangible leadership that's necessary particularly following such a disastrous year and the necessary changes taking place this year, and at least next year. Did we overtrade (if that's a word) for leadership? Yeah probably. On the field, he has made some big plays that few, if any QBs, on our roster the past couple of years (this year included) could have made. And several of his interceptions have not been his fault...but he doesn't have Joey Galloway to blame anymore.

At the same time, he's made some real head-scratching decisions. Particularly for a proven 11 year veteran such as himself.

Overall, I'm not too concerned with McNabb, and most certainly not absolutely disgusted. But I am concerned that there's currently no true future at QB.

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[quote=44ever;767180]If it's getting harder for us fans to watch the Skins, imagine how hard it is to go out and play for them. McNabb is playing on the Skins. What do you want him to do to stand out? The Oline sucks so he's feeling unbelievable pressure. When he does have a little time in the backfield, his receivers are not open. The play calling is conservative at best. No RB to dump it off to. No play action, no screens, nothing to help him out.

Can't judge DM this season.[/quote]

The most well defined characteristics associated with Donovan's game that has been so upsetting for fans [and I'm sure coaches alike] has little to do with the personnel he's surrounded by or the play-calling. It has more to do with decision making in pressure situations, the propensity for throwing the untimely interception, as well as throwing high, behind, in front of.... and passes into the ground, often to open receivers. These are individual flaws in his game that have plagued his entire career, and in more instances than one have attributed to his lack of success in big games.

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[quote=Longtimefan;767218]The most well defined characteristics associated with Donovan's game that has been so upsetting for fans [and I'm sure coaches alike] has little to do with the personnel he's surrounded by or the play-calling. It has more to do with decision making in pressure situations, the propensity for throwing the untimely interception, as well as throwing high, behind, in front of.... and passes into the ground, often to open receivers. These are individual flaws in his game that have plagued his entire career, [B]and in more instances than one have attributed to his lack of success in big games[/B].[/quote]

I'll tell you right now, If DM plays lights out for an entire season (next season), if we get in the playoffs he's done. Thats a fact. He has [U]never[/U] been able to play up to his potential in a big game. Ever! This is my only concern with DM.

With that said, surround him with some real talent and he will bring us to the playoffs.

Someone mentioned Mike Vick, Thats a unfair comparison since Vick is probably in top 3 for NFL MVP this season. Keep in mind, when Vick has no play, he runs. DM can't really do that anymore. So his options are more limited than Vick's. Not to mention his (Vicks) WR's are fast and open most of the time.

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[quote=SmootSmack;767216]Absolutely disgusted? Not at all. Part of what McNabb brings is the intangible leadership that's necessary particularly following such a disastrous year and the necessary changes taking place this year, and at least next year. Did we overtrade (if that's a word) for leadership? Yeah probably. On the field, he has made some big plays that few, if any QBs, on our roster the past couple of years (this year included) could have made. And several of his interceptions have not been his fault...but he doesn't have Joey Galloway to blame anymore.

At the same time, he's made some real head-scratching decisions. Particularly for a proven 11 year veteran such as himself.

Overall, I'm not too concerned with McNabb, and most certainly not absolutely disgusted. [B]But I am concerned that there's currently no true future at QB[/B].[/quote]

I agree with your post 100%. He's made some awful decisions. I don't think he was worth a 2nd and a 4th, but I guess it was very important to Shanny to have a proven leader at QB while he implements his systems and his coaching style. And that's fine. But anyone who is still expecting McNabb to have some sort of Pro-bowl campaign while in burgundy and gold is smoking something.

I don't think he'll ever be anything better than average for us. And as to your point in bold, we need to get a young stud QB in here asap so he can sit a season or two behind McNabb before taking the reigns of this franchise.

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[quote=GMScud;767243]I agree with your post 100%. He's made some awful decisions. I don't think he was worth a 2nd and a 4th, but I guess it was very important to Shanny to have a proven leader at QB while he implements his systems and his coaching style. And that's fine. But anyone who is still expecting McNabb to have some sort of Pro-bowl campaign while in burgundy and gold is smoking something.

[B]I don't think he'll ever be anything better than average for us.[/B] And as to your point in bold, we need to get a young stud QB in here asap so he can sit a season or two behind McNabb before taking the reigns of this franchise.[/quote]

I agree so if that's the case then you gotta wonder why they gave up the draft picks. Could've just kept JC, brought in Grossmam to compete and kept the picks. We'd probably have one less win.

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[quote=Mattyk;767211]Would they still be winning though? I think so.[/quote]

I do think they would have a winning record, but I dont think he'd be playing at the level Vick is right now. Vick really was a significant upgrade to McNabb in may ways....

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I'm guessing the guy who started this thread is not even a skins fan and just trying to stir up the pot. I could be wrong just a feeling I have.