Philly's plan will be to stop the run
 

Portis over 100 yrds in a game we win period. So we all now the eagles defensive plan will be to stop the run. So my question to the forum is; How do we stop them from stopping portis.

My answer relies on our line stopping one man, former Redskin J.Trotter, since he has been on the field for them run yardage has gone down tremendously. How was he stopped when he was with us and how can we do the same?

just like last year teams exposed him by throwing to the TE after they pretended like they are pass blocking they go out into pass routes..he always sells out to the run thats the only way he stops it or use full backs..

I think we have to stick with the run, even if it doesn't work. Once we are down 14 we shouldn't start panicking and giving up on the run just to get back in the game like we usually do. Portis is an explosive back and when he gets in the open field can make people miss and use his speed to get away. I think it takes only one or two good runs from portis to get the ball rolling and that will open up the pass game because the Eagle's linebackers aren't the greatest at covering, especially simminoue? who is only in there to stop the run.

he's a middle linebacker, he isnt going to cover the TE. trotter didnt play well for us because he had to attack a gap. im philly, he just waits for the play to develop then gets there. the only way to block him is to get cooley to go through the line and put a body on him.

From my many years experience playing football video game I have to tell you that you really have to be accurate to throw passes to a tight end. We have no accuracy in our QBs so don't expect too many passes to the tight ends.

[QUOTE=saden1]From my many years experience playing football video game I have to tell you that you really have to be accurate to throw passes to a tight end. We have no accuracy in our QBs so don't expect too many passes to the tight ends.[/QUOTE]


Nothing wrong with Ramsey's accuracy, we'll be fine.

[QUOTE=RedskinRat]Nothing wrong with Ramsey's accuracy, we'll be fine.[/QUOTE]

You are joking right? Ramsey is not an accurate QB by any standard.

I think if our offensive line can block as well as they did this past week, we should get some good holes for the running backs. The Eagles are supposed to not be THAT great against the run, but believe me, great teams find a way to shut you down when they have things going for them in the right direction. I believe we're going to have to knock their defensive line back as much as possible. If we can also continue to execute as well as we did against the Giants, we can continue to mix things up and keep the Eagles guessing.

Against the Eagles, I think we are going to HAVE to get some people in open spaces on some throws. They are going to be keying on our run, until we do this. We need to get CP open on some passes 10-15 yards down the field so he can run. Then we can open up things running the football.

[QUOTE=saden1]You are joking right? Ramsey is not an accurate QB by any standard.[/QUOTE]
He was what, 19 of 22 last week?

He also seems to have a very nice connection going with Cooley.

Not sure what your video game experience has to do with actual football.

Trotter is over-aggressive and a good way to deal with that is running counters. The counters can also slow down his aggressiveness and then sweeps and tosses can be run also.

If our O-line played like they played last game then running up the middle shouldn't be too much of a problem either.

As far as beating the blitz is concerned, I think our screens and fake-screens (faked to one side and thrown to the other) have been working great. Also, the best way to beat the blitz is with a good running game just like Ramsey said. I think that if they do try to blitz and put too much into stopping the run the Skins could actually have a big day going through the air.

It's all coming together. This should be a very good game. HTTR

no, we gotta stay true to RUN first to open up the PASS. it took us this long to (re)find our offensive identity, no way can we go back. like the thread starter said, Portis runs, we win.

i say outside runs. i don't think any defense in the NFC east has seen as fast and athletic a back as Portis. they are used to runs up the middle, which is where Gibbs sent Portis in the first game, and where Trotter and Philly stopped him. Portis has amazing anklebreaking ability, and can react alot faster than older and kneeproblem ridden linebackers can.

if they do send him in the middle, let it be more of those counters and misdirection plays where Portis has everyone going one side then suddenly he's going the opposite. once they catch on to that, he can just burn off in one direction while the defense freezes waiting for him to cut back. like that one backdoor play last game.

this is exactly why Portis is such a weapon. he's so fast and has such good cutting ability, he can do his own playaction fakes on RUNS.

[QUOTE=saden1]You are joking right? Ramsey is not an accurate QB by any standard.[/QUOTE]


Your joking right? Ramsey went 19 for 22 last game. How much more accurate does he have to be?

Also, most of those passes went to the TE, including 2 touchdown passes (Royal and Cooley).

And forget about what you can do in a video game, this is the NFL buddy. Not Madden or ESPN2k5

[QUOTE=saden1]From my many years experience playing football video game I have to tell you that you really have to be accurate to throw passes to a tight end. We have no accuracy in our QBs so don't expect too many passes to the tight ends.[/QUOTE]


You're not actually serious are you? On both accounts of the video game experience and the accuracy of our QB's? Brunell no, but Ramsey has been just as accurate as anybody can be. Two incomplete passes....yeah that sucks! :confused:

The whole reason why Trotter is doing so well in Philly is because he's a perfect fit for their scheme. That's why we signed him. Then he came here and didn't live up to all the hype he brought. And let's not forget how much we paid him. :frusty:


Philly has had a hard time stopping the run all year. With our O-line playing much better now, I think we'll have some success on the ground.


Basically we have to play like we did last week except maybe about 10 times better. Run the ball, protect the QB, and take some shots downfield.

he was being facetious about the videogame guys c'mon

I think we'll see more of that stretch/cut back running that came out in the giants game. It's tough, becuase philly has such a great offense that it becomes difficult to stick with the run. Philly will get their points.

Look, if they over stack the line, we've gotta make them pay with the pass. It doesn't have to be the homerun (though that would be sweet); just enough to keep them honest.

[QUOTE=illdefined]he was being facetious about the videogame guys c'mon[/QUOTE]


I figured he had to be....but then again...ya never know... :stop:

no one's mentioned all the WR screens to Coles. it's been a new staple for Gibbs lately and it seemed to work vs. the Gnats, but then what didn't. it was a major part of our gameplan the first time vs. philly, but it didn't do squat then.

we need to stick with cutblocking their Dline, and let Portis pick his own holes. let him bounce around and cutback at will. his instincts are that good. In Clinton We Trust.

The whole video game thing was a joke and so is Ramsey's stats over the last 3 years.

[url]http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/302216[/url]

He has one decent game and all of a sudden he is accurate? His career average is 53.9% which is pretty shitty if you ask me.

The whole video game is skinsguy thing he says everyone on the board plays madden and doesn't have any sort of grip on reality.

I have never made such a statement, and I find YOUR post very offensive and rude; not to mention a bit immature.

Here's the problem, skinsguy. Like you, I don't care what you think.
By everyone you mean everyone that doesn't think Joe Gibbs has called perfect games this season.
[quote]Gibbs pays attention to every detail and there are reasons why we see some plays more than others...but believe or not, this is the NFL this isn't Madden football for the playstation.[/quote]

The funny thing is, in this quote...I see nothing about saying "EVERYONE that doesn't think Joe Gibbs has called perfect games this season." What I see is a general statement that says Gibbs pays attention to every detail which is true...and that this is the NFL and not Madden football for the playstation which is also true. That means that none of us here on the board knows anymore about coaching an NFL football team than what Gibbs does. You stated in the other thread that you were not going to comment on this anymore...yet you're coming over to this thread and starting a flame war.

[QUOTE=saden1]He has one decent game and all of a sudden he is accurate? His career average is 53.9% which is pretty shitty if you ask me.[/QUOTE]

Well that might be true...but of course taking into consideration he was on his back most of last season...regardless... compared to what we have right now...Ramsey is the most accurate QB and at this point gives us our best chance to win. I would have debated that back several weeks ago, especially after the first Giants game, but he's done a pretty decent job in the last couple of games and seems quite comfortable. Receivers catching balls and not dropping them has also helped his confidence too I believe.

How many times did Spurrier put in Ramsey just to chuck a ball as far downfield as he could and he threw an INT? Does that mean that his INTs also reflect actual bad decesions? Not really? Ramsey had quite a few very good games last year. Let the guy adapt to the new system and we could see Brett Favre II.

[QUOTE=skinsguy]Well that might be true...but of course taking into consideration he was on his back most of last season...regardless... compared to what we have right now...Ramsey is the most accurate QB and at this point gives us our best chance to win. I would have debated that back several weeks ago, especially after the first Giants game, but he's done a pretty decent job in the last couple of games and seems quite comfortable. Receivers catching balls and not dropping them has also helped his confidence too I believe.[/QUOTE]


Bottom line is this.. Gibbs has always founds a way to make his QB's look better than they are. Look at Mark Rypien. The guy looked like a monster in the early 90's only to end up a back up after Gibbs left. Ramsey will be put in a position to eat teams alive. Gibbs will slowly test him and find his strengths and weaknesses and put him in a position to shine. Given time, almost any QB in this league can be deadly acurrate (except Brunnel).

[QUOTE=Daseal]The whole video game is skinsguy thing he says everyone on the board plays madden and doesn't have any sort of grip on reality.[/QUOTE]

Careful Daseal. If you want to make an accusation like that then provide a quote that says exactly that.

I for one don't play madden, though it is true I don't have any sort of grip on reality....Skins in Super Bowl XXXIX

[QUOTE=saden1]The whole video game thing was a joke and so is Ramsey's stats over the last 3 years.

[url]http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/302216[/url]

He has one decent game and all of a sudden he is accurate? His career average is 53.9% which is pretty shitty if you ask me.[/QUOTE]


All that matters is that he's more accurate than Brunell. That's it.

I wouldn't pay to much attention to his "career" average. He hasn't had that much of a career yet. Wait till the end of the season to judge Ramseys performance.

And if Ramseys stats are a joke, then who the hell should be our QB? If you wanna talk about a joke, check out Brunells stats for this season. Thats a joke.

Looks like our defense has a score to settle with these guys too.

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it's good to hear these guys getting hype about the game. You can tell they care and they're out to prove something. I like it.

Ramsey is showing great improvement, and with more
experience, game tape, and a better O-line (which is getting progressively better
as he continues to start - from spurrier to this year)

Ramsey will get better.... I always think what would it be like if Brunell didnt start 9 games?

I just hope they can get enough going this sunday. I hate Philly soooooooooooooo much. Philly is just a machine right now. An arrogant, obnoxious machine, but a machine nonetheless.

I just got a bad feeling about it. Philly's on a roll and our offense has had ONE good game all year. I am not a believer in the "light switch" theory (the switch goes on for the offense and suddenly they play well). The Skins haven't demonstrated consistency and Philly is going to be just as prepped for us as we are for them.

If Ramsey tries to make a living off the wide receiver screens they used in the last game, expect at least one to go the other way for a Philly TD. By the end of the game last time they were all over those routes.

Yes! The defense is fired up already!!! I like that..."I don't care if we go to a high school field and play without fans"..."lets play right now"......

And Smoot..."That's okay, we just remember!"

[QUOTE=JoeRedskin]I
I just got a bad feeling about it. Philly's on a roll and our offense has had ONE good game all year. I am not a believer in the "light switch" theory (the switch goes on for the offense and suddenly they play well).[/QUOTE]

Well, one thing you can think about is that we played Philly pretty close the last time and had the offense where we wanted them for most of the game....I think playing on momentum of our big win this past week...could give us confidence. Its like this...have you ever noticed how a team looks like it can't move an inch on the field...then something happens..a big play or a big penality in their favor, then all of a sudden they get all this momentum and they look like they can't be stopped?? I feel we have momentum and I think Philly could fall into a false sense of security with their win over GB. Remember, we pretty much beat GB when we played them (and the refs beat us!), so I wouldn't let Philly's big win last week scare me!

[QUOTE=Daseal]How many times did Spurrier put in Ramsey just to chuck a ball as far downfield as he could and he threw an INT? Does that mean that his INTs also reflect actual bad decesions? Not really? Ramsey had quite a few very good games last year. Let the guy adapt to the new system and we could see Brett Favre II.[/QUOTE]
maybe, but i don't think gibbs will give him as much freedom, our O-line isn't as good, ramsey is a lot slower/worse at scrambling, and i don't think ramsey is going to lead block for portis any time soon... favre's the man.