Does Last Nights Comment Proves That There's An Anti-Redskin Movement At ESPN?
 

After the Cowboys got beat by the Cards, ESPN showed a stat saying the Cowboys have had five 10 loss seasons this decade. They showed the Redskins had four 10 loss seasons. Then the ESPN analyst said, "if the Redskins lose one of their remaining two games, they'd join the Cowboys with five 10 loss seasons this decade, let's hope they take the Cowboys off the hook."

I never knew it was ESPN's job to root for a team to lose to take another team off the hook.

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Who really cares what people think. I actually injoy having a coach that does what he thinks what is best for the team.

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I just heard that comment and it was strang what he said.

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Whereever you are wherever you go the media will always suck red baboon ass.

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I'm not really into the "media hates the Skins" craze, but After hearing that, there might be something to it.

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I feel like if the Redskins were consistently good in the NFL they wouldn't hear half the criticism they hear now. If you want to stop the "bias", start winning.

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espn definitely dislikes the redskins, aside from possibly adam schefter and scott van pelt. espn has their favorites and they have the teams they dislike. they love the cowboys, patriots, eagles for sure.

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ESPN loves the Cowboys...plus we're the loudest 8-8 or worse team every year. We're like the ugly chick trying to scream out the street "look at how hot I am".

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Not that I care that much about what ESPN thinks about the Redskins, the comment is proof positive the Redskins could use a make-over, and a polishing of their projected image. The hits will keep coming until a change is made.

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[quote=mooby;772298]I feel like if the Redskins were consistently good in the NFL they wouldn't hear half the criticism they hear now. If you want to stop the "bias", start winning.[/quote]

Amen, become one of the best teams in the league and you stop being the butt of jokes. The organization has only itself to blame

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[quote=Longtimefan;772305]Not that I care that much about what ESPN thinks about the Redskins, the comment is proof positive the Redskins could use a make-over, and a polishing of their projected image. The hits will keep coming until a change is made.[/quote]

Do you mean a change of Name or Logo?? Or like DS selling the team?

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[quote=Longtimefan;772305]Not that I care that much about what ESPN thinks about the Redskins, the comment is proof positive the Redskins could use a make-over, and a polishing of their projected image. The hits will keep coming until a change is made.[/quote]



It's quite obvious and "disrespectful" to borrow a term coined by some of their peers. If we should ever turn this thing around, all the talking heads would be kissing ass and bending over backwards to pump us up.

But don't be fool by it. They do have an ingrained dislike for us.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;772310]Do you mean a change of Name or Logo?? Or like DS selling the team?[/quote]

I think it's to stuff like "winning the offseason" transactions and stuff.

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ESPN is opinion "journalism" which is why I don't watch those ass clowns. About the only thing I watch on that station is MNF with the sound off.

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Yeah.. I'm glad we have a coach doing it his way, and the Redskins always have media up their ass more then other team.

Always been that way, but oh well.

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[quote=DM72;772274]After the Cowboys got beat by the Cards, ESPN showed a stat saying the Cowboys have had five 10 loss seasons this decade. They showed the Redskins had four 10 loss seasons. Then the ESPN analyst said, "if the Redskins lose one of their remaining two games, they'd join the Cowboys with five 10 loss seasons this decade, let's hope they take the Cowboys off the hook."

I never knew it was ESPN's job to root for a team to lose to take another team off the hook.[/quote]

Exactly who on ESPN said that?

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Well I was hoping for a Dallas loss, because that put Arizona behind us on the draft boards. I think this is very important. If we want to draft a qb, being ahead oof Arizona is very important. I want them to loose there next two.

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You already know they want/hope the Skins are in a position to dog them out. The media loves creating bad press for the Skins why? IDK Redskin = redheaded stephchild but it stinks b/c all the people who cant think for themselves eat up whatever they are told by the media and accept it as fact and then they open up dialogue and regurgitate that as if its based on their own opinions.

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[quote=Lotus;772320]Exactly who on ESPN said that?[/quote]

The voice was very familiar, but I didn't know who said it.

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ya they all hate the skins but i remember who the cowboy fans are even the closet ones

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[quote=skinsfaninok;772310]Do you mean a change of Name or Logo?? Or like DS selling the team?[/quote]

I chose projected because it seems to be a well laid plan in advance each year for the Redskins to be criticized consistently long before they even take a snap.

It's not likely they'll change the name, logo or will DS sell. We'll just have to grin and bear the harsh analysis until we once again become a winning team.

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It's not bias. To be honest if you're following the Skins on a national level it looks pretty bad. I mean does the Warpath have an anti-San Diego bias because AJ Smith won't trade us Vincent Jackson?

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If the Redskins win and do things the right way people will give credit, being that it hasnt happened for 10 years you really cant blame people for bashing the team. I know ive made tons of lions jokes in my lifetime.

Skins will make a comeback, Shanahan knows what he is doing, it was just a mistake bringing in McNabb, other than that with the talent they have they have done about as well as they could. 2 starts with Sexy Rexy, 1 almost win with season high in points and 1 actual win. Id say thats a marked improvement.

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Skins stink and so does Dallas, how is that an anti-redskins movement?

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[quote=saden1;772314]ESPN is opinion "journalism" which is why I don't watch those ass clowns. About the only thing I watch on that station is MNF with the sound off.[/quote]


Can't take ESPN morons seriously at all. I bet if we all got together and had some Warpathers that knew how to do the lights, camera, action behind the scenes stuff, we could do just a good of a job as these guys. It is more show than anything. Why do you need all these commentators telling the real football fans what they already know? These guys are also market oriented, which is part of their job, being propaganda artists for the various pro leagues, et. THe Cowboys are "America's Team" or used to be and commands a bigger merchandising market share, etc than the Skins. It doesn't help, that like others have already said, that our own lunacy in the FO doesn't do anything but help us being the butt of jokes and jabs.

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I'm not so sure it's hate for the Skins as it is love for the Cowboys.. despite whatever Smoot tells you there's plenty of it there..

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An "anti-Redskins movement??" lol. Please. They hate on the Skins sometimes, but it's pretty well deserved. We're a joke for the most part. Cowboys are, too.

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[quote=GMScud;772743]An "anti-Redskins movement??" lol. Please. They hate on the Skins sometimes, but it's pretty well deserved. We're a joke for the most part. Cowboys are, too.[/quote]

It all starts with winning

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The Cowboys and Skins have been co-laughing stocks of the NFC East for the last 10 plus years. Any criticism from ESPN or elsewhere has been richly earned.

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[quote=SouperMeister;772750]The Cowboys and Skins have been co-laughing stocks of the NFC East for the last 10 plus years. Any criticism from ESPN or elsewhere has been richly earned.[/quote]

Atleast Dallas has been playoff contenders lately.. We go out and lose 59-28 on MnF and are literally the new York giants bitches every year.

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[quote=GMScud;772743]An "anti-Redskins movement??" lol. Please. They hate on the Skins sometimes, but it's pretty well deserved. We're a joke for the most part. Cowboys are, too.[/quote]

Yeah, but I've never seen them openly hope one team loses to take another team off the hook.

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The Skins losing and being a laughing stock points to only one person. Ever since he has owned the team he has made the Skins a laughing stock. And yes I am talking about Snyder. Since he has bought the team they have made 2 playoff appearances (I think). He has tried to buy a Championship every year and can't even get us to the playoffs. Here are a few of is idiotic examples:

1. In either his first or second year as owner he helped bring Deion Sanders to the team. This was of a couple years after his "Prime Time".

2. Most his choices or decisions concering the coaching staff for the most part has been awful. The teams front office is just as much of a joke as anything else. Other than Coach Gibbs, there hasn't been a coach to make it more than 3 years. Unfortunately, it's not all the coaches fault. Some of the coaches that have left are actually doing well with their other teams which proves that Snyder has no business running a NFL Team.

3. Signing the $100 Million Dollar Idiot who hasn't produced since he has been there. He his fat and lazy but smart enough to know that Snyder has sucker written all over his forehead when he signed him.

4. Then signing McNabb. That was probably the biggest mistake of all. He is injury prone and well past his prime. Why do you think that Philly was so happy to see him go?

This is just a few of his embarrassing moments he has done to make the Skins the laughing stock of the NFL. It's not the team itself. The blame falls solely on him. He is another Jerry Jones. What do these teams have in common? Both teams are in trouble because of their owners. Snyder has no business owning an NFL Team. He is trying to build a team with money and not looking at the actual root cause which is the foundation. The Skins haven't had a solid foundation since he bought them. He's like a kid with ADHD. If the team doesn't produce within the first 2 years, then he makes changes ALL over hoping for better results. The only person he really gave a chance to was Coach Gibbs. Unfortunately, Coach Gibbs didn't really have what was needed to deal with the NFL players of today. And then he had the "Best" (sarcasm here by the way) defensive coordinator in the league with Greg Williams who took a team whose defense was ranked #2 his first year and started changing personnel. And this personnel was there before he got there. The defensive ranking slipped each year to nearly the bottom of the NFL under his control. He said his defense could be used with any personnel. So he started getting rid of the key players like Arrington, Trotter, Smoot, Bailey and so on. As he did the defense slipped. He tried to prove his system would work without them, but he horribly failed. He tried to prove his system would work with anyone and it failed.

These are just some of things Snyder has done to make the Skins a mockery of the NFL. I know a lot of you won't agree with my statements. And I am stating most of this from memory so I might be a little off on a few things. I just know that ever since Snyder has bought the team, they have gone downhill. They used to be a contender every year for the playoffs. Now they seem to be more like a stepping stone or speed bump.

Unfortunately, we will never be able to get rid of Snyder. But in my opinion he is the root cause of MOST of problems. Maybe one day he will wake up and realize that the changes need to start with HIM!!!!

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[quote=dragontat7169;772828]

Unfortunately, we will never be able to get rid of Snyder. But in my opinion he is the root cause of MOST of problems. Maybe one day he will wake up and realize that the changes need to start with HIM!!!![/quote]

Would you rather have Buffalo's Ralph Wilson, or Jacksonville's Wayne Weaver? Both of those teams are in danger of being sold and moved because of there owners. I'll take Dan Snyder over probably about half the NFL owners.

There is no question he has made bad decisions in the past (many of them) but I have always viewed them as honest attempts to improve the team. Some will say the big FA's he brings in are to sell tickets but I don't buy into that.

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I will agree with you that he has made attempts to improve the team. And I don't agree that he is ONLY trying to sell tickets and put butts in the seats. I also think he is a HUGE fan and I think that is where the problem is. He is trying to be an owner and a fan. I wonder if he is letting the fan in him influence his decisions as an owner and vice versa. He let his friend (grrr..can't remember his name) be the general manager and the guy had absolutely NO NFL experience or football for that matter. Put it this way, would you let a plumber fix your car if the plumber has never even worked on your car before? I think when Snyder bought the team he looked at it in 2 ways. First, he said,"Wow. I can buy an NFL team that I have always been a fan of!" Then he thought,"I can also make a huge amount of money while I'm at it too!!!!" I think that is where the problem lies. I think he needs to just be an owner Monday thru Saturday and then be a fan on Sundays like the rest of us.

And about the FA's (Sanders and his turf toe, McNabb who Philly easily gave up, and the $100 Million Dollar Zero who has caused more problems than any other player in the history of the Redskins) he's signed. I can't honestly say that putting butts in seats wasn't part of the reason for any of these signings. I can say that, in my opinion, NONE of them contributed anything to the team except for a financial burden. ALL of them were washed up when they got here and will be when they leave. Why he keeps signing has beens is beyond my understanding? Unless it is just to fill seats.

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No "movement" but they've always played up and made up the negative about the Skins...while worshiping Dallas and ignoring their faults and failures.

There's always been a very clear bias against us.

This is why I avoid them if I can. Love the NFLN...but CSN Washington is my source of choice.

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I don't think there's a team out there who's fans feel there is no bias against their team. Kinda funny if you listen to NFL radio enough, all fans feel slighted at some point for whatever reason.

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If the Skins started winning they be all over their jock. If McNabb lite it up this year; you don't think Sports Center and company would be highlighting him every second?

People like winners so SC and company highlight winners. Do you really thing they are going to start off SC with a highlight of Clippers vs. Wizards from the previous night?

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I actually don't think what they said is what he ment to say. I think he was trying to say that Dallas hopes they gte them off the hook. He may be a Dallas fan and let it slip out but other then that there is really nothing to it.

They have left the skins off the fastest 3 minutes in sports the past two weeks.

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[quote=dragontat7169;772828]The Skins losing and being a laughing stock points to only one person. Ever since he has owned the team he has made the Skins a laughing stock. And yes I am talking about Snyder. Since he has bought the team they have made 2 playoff appearances (I think). He has tried to buy a Championship every year and can't even get us to the playoffs. Here are a few of is idiotic examples:

1. In either his first or second year as owner he helped bring Deion Sanders to the team. This was of a couple years after his "Prime Time".

2. Most his choices or decisions concering the coaching staff for the most part has been awful. The teams front office is just as much of a joke as anything else. Other than Coach Gibbs, there hasn't been a coach to make it more than 3 years. Unfortunately, it's not all the coaches fault. Some of the coaches that have left are actually doing well with their other teams which proves that Snyder has no business running a NFL Team.

3. Signing the $100 Million Dollar Idiot who hasn't produced since he has been there. He his fat and lazy but smart enough to know that Snyder has sucker written all over his forehead when he signed him.

4. Then signing McNabb. That was probably the biggest mistake of all. He is injury prone and well past his prime. Why do you think that Philly was so happy to see him go?

This is just a few of his embarrassing moments he has done to make the Skins the laughing stock of the NFL. It's not the team itself. The blame falls solely on him. He is another Jerry Jones. What do these teams have in common? Both teams are in trouble because of their owners. Snyder has no business owning an NFL Team. He is trying to build a team with money and not looking at the actual root cause which is the foundation. The Skins haven't had a solid foundation since he bought them. He's like a kid with ADHD. If the team doesn't produce within the first 2 years, then he makes changes ALL over hoping for better results. The only person he really gave a chance to was Coach Gibbs. Unfortunately, Coach Gibbs didn't really have what was needed to deal with the NFL players of today. And then he had the "Best" (sarcasm here by the way) defensive coordinator in the league with Greg Williams who took a team whose defense was ranked #2 his first year and started changing personnel. And this personnel was there before he got there. The defensive ranking slipped each year to nearly the bottom of the NFL under his control. He said his defense could be used with any personnel. So he started getting rid of the key players like Arrington, Trotter, Smoot, Bailey and so on. As he did the defense slipped. He tried to prove his system would work without them, but he horribly failed. He tried to prove his system would work with anyone and it failed.

These are just some of things Snyder has done to make the Skins a mockery of the NFL. I know a lot of you won't agree with my statements. And I am stating most of this from memory so I might be a little off on a few things. I just know that ever since Snyder has bought the team, they have gone downhill. They used to be a contender every year for the playoffs. Now they seem to be more like a stepping stone or speed bump.

Unfortunately, we will never be able to get rid of Snyder. But in my opinion he is the root cause of MOST of problems. Maybe one day he will wake up and realize that the changes need to start with HIM!!!![/quote]


You have been here sense 2004 and posted that stuff like it was new and we had never heard any of that before. You really think McNabb was his worse decision? I don't even think it was his dicision.

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I'm pretty sure Shanahan would want out or be sent out if Snyder interfered with him. He just has that demeanor that he is won't back down from from anyone, and that includes the owner.

After all, why the hell would he even bother to look at all the games JC had ever played before shipping his ass if Snyder was really calling ALL the shots?