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This year we have ALOT of Redskins whose contracts are ending on top of all the guys we are bound to let go.

According to the salary-cap board the contributors whose contracts are up are...
McIntosh
Rogers
Doughty
Brown
Golston
Grossman
Sellers
Buchanon
Heyer
Blades
Wilson

It doesn't say so on the salary-cap section, but I'm told Moss is also up for a new contract this year.

Also there is we do not have the info on guys signed this year like Armstrong, Banks, Torain, Williams and Holliday

On top of all this it seems we are inevitably eating the guaranteed contracts of McNabb (3.75 mil), Haynesworth (3 mil), Portis (5.44 mil), Dockery (4 mil), and Kelly (0.316 mil). There might be even more big named cuts of declining injury prone guys such as Carter (10.47 mil-but I'm sure that is like Moss's contract and is not correct), Rabach (4.43 mil), Hicks (2 mil), or Kemoeatu (2.867).

In the 6 years I have been a serious Redskins fan I cannot remember a time when we have had to extend so many players. I cannot remember a time when we have had to extend non-starting material players. I have no idea who will be given extensions, or what their terms will be. I forsee the amount of guaranteed money we will be eating limiting who we will be able to sign; especially because the new cba is supposed to not rise as much as we have been accustomed to. Also with our 3rd and 4th picks gone it will be difficult to reload as much as we would like, making it possible that we will extend people we do not desire to. I hope we will be able to keep who we want to keep and have enough room to sign an impact free agent or two. Not knowing how the cba is going to pan out makes predicting things like this difficult, but what do you guys see happening to our players with expiring contracts? I hope we don't let any starters walk, we are thin enough on talent as is, and don't have the means to reload right now. I also hope that our desperation doesn't make us overpay. The offseason is normally when I have the most hope for our team, but I am nervous that this offseason possibly might hinder us more than help us.

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It might just be my ignorance but I think its a similar situation around the league since last year so many players had one more year added to their contracts due to cba rules. That's why there's such a big fa class. Hopefully bruce allen earns his check and signs all our players and a bunch of young guys from other teams (the non big al types). I could see big changes in every team out there

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Out of your list:
McIntosh
Rogers
Doughty
Brown
Golston
Grossman
Sellers
Buchanon
Heyer
Blades
Wilson

I'd let them all go. JK.

My major keeps
Grossman
Wilson
Buchanon
Brown - If we don't pick up a RT but if we do I'd move him to RG.
Doughty - on the cheap
Roger - on the cheap, otherwise Westbrook impressed as did Buchanon

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Think you're missing some guys, there's 13-14 guys with expiring contracts. Gotta read the contract details to see who has voidable years after 2010.

Either way, this isn't an unusual amount of spots to have to fill.

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There's a list of all the fa on the redskins wikipedia but it includes d. Hall so im not sure how good it is

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Portis is a huge chunk of cap. Can his contract be voided? or does it expire this year? Everyone seems to think he wont be back next year, and i thought it had more to do with his lack of ability now than vs. $$$$

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I thought that S. Moss contract was up?

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You forgot Mike Furrey...yeah we still have him

And Will Montgomery

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[quote=SolidSnake84;775984]Portis is a huge chunk of cap. Can his contract be voided? or does it expire this year? Everyone seems to think he wont be back next year, and i thought it had more to do with his lack of ability now than vs. $$$$[/quote]

I say its durability and money not ability. Even if he restructured I would not take him back. he's not worth a roster spot to me. He doesn't play special teams which makes him not an ideal backup and if we start him he will break down and we will be left pulling in RB's off the street again. I would rather put a younger healthier RB in his place in the off season when there are more options out there.

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Mike Furrey?! I thought we released him before the season started. Was he on IR or something?

Out of the list, I would not try to retain Chris Wilson.. McIntosh and Blades, I'm on the fence of whether if we should try to resign them or not.. It's obviously they do not fit in our defense, however we will need depth.. I am pretty sure McIntosh doesn't want to be back-up, but I think he might won't have a choice after he tests the market..

Most of players in the list will be good for depth, which is what we need. We cannot expect to fill in both starters and depth through FA and draft. It is possible but I don't think it's ideal, though.

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I view this as a positive for Shanny. This gives him the ability to either resign or go hunting for his type of guys. I know the latter is pretty hard to do, but if there are guys that he doesn't really want this will help clean up shop without hitting the books at all.

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[quote=skinster;775974]This year we have ALOT of Redskins whose contracts are ending on top of all the guys we are bound to let go.

According to the salary-cap board the contributors whose contracts are up are...
McIntosh
Rogers
Doughty
Brown
Golston
Grossman
Sellers
Buchanon
Heyer
Blades
Wilson

It doesn't say so on the salary-cap section, but I'm told Moss is also up for a new contract this year.

Also there is we do not have the info on guys signed this year like Armstrong, Banks, Torain, Williams and Holliday

On top of all this it seems we are inevitably eating the guaranteed contracts of McNabb (3.75 mil), Haynesworth (3 mil), Portis (5.44 mil), Dockery (4 mil), and Kelly (0.316 mil). There might be even more big named cuts of declining injury prone guys such as Carter (10.47 mil-but I'm sure that is like Moss's contract and is not correct), Rabach (4.43 mil), Hicks (2 mil), or Kemoeatu (2.867).

In the 6 years I have been a serious Redskins fan I cannot remember a time when we have had to extend so many players. I cannot remember a time when we have had to extend non-starting material players. I have no idea who will be given extensions, or what their terms will be. I forsee the amount of guaranteed money we will be eating limiting who we will be able to sign; especially because the new cba is supposed to not rise as much as we have been accustomed to. Also with our 3rd and 4th picks gone it will be difficult to reload as much as we would like, making it possible that we will extend people we do not desire to. I hope we will be able to keep who we want to keep and have enough room to sign an impact free agent or two. Not knowing how the cba is going to pan out makes predicting things like this difficult, but what do you guys see happening to our players with expiring contracts? I hope we don't let any starters walk, we are thin enough on talent as is, and don't have the means to reload right now. I also hope that our desperation doesn't make us overpay. The offseason is normally when I have the most hope for our team, but I am nervous that this offseason possibly might hinder us more than help us.[/quote]

I would try and trade Rogers and Rocky, or get something for them, anything. I'd bring back Grossman, Blades and Brown as starters, bring back Reed for back up and teams and get rid of Wilson, Sellers, Heyer, Buchanon and Goldston. I'd also try and trade anyone that has value, go 1-15 and have the first pick in the 2012 draft.

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You can't trade a guy who isn't under contract, so someone like Rocky is probably just going to walk.

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[quote=GridIron26;775991]Mike Furrey?! I thought we released him before the season started. Was he on IR or something?

Out of the list, I would not try to retain [B]Chris Wilson.. McIntosh and Blades[/B], I'm on the fence of whether if we should try to resign them or not.. It's obviously they do not fit in our defense, however we will need depth.. I am pretty sure McIntosh doesn't want to be back-up, but I think he might won't have a choice after he tests the market..

Most of players in the list will be good for depth, which is what we need. We cannot expect to fill in both starters and depth through FA and draft. It is possible but I don't think it's ideal, though.[/quote]


Im with you here...add Carter getting cut too. Id like to see us add some new depth at LB and a starter replacing Rocky. Promote Rob Jackson and Jarmon to to outside depth. Move Riley to starter or depth as the successor to Fletch. Alexander as bordline starter/or key depth where he gets 20-25 snaps along with his beast special teams play.

Im probably most interested to see how we handle the LB position this offseason...Gotta feeling the front 7 on D is gonna look really different come next season.

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I believe I read that the only player on offense (maybe the team) with [I][B]guaranteed[/B][/I] money in 2011 is Trent Williams. We've got players under contract of course but we can release/trade anyone without any potential cap ramifications. We are looking at potential financial flexibility of $30-$40 million of cap space. It's going to be exciting to see who they get but at the same time frustrating because we're going to have to hear the 'same old Redskins' crap from media and fans alike.

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Jarmon is back to the d-line now, we definitely need to address the LB group

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[quote=skinsfan69;775994]I would try and trade Rogers and Rocky, or get something for them, anything. I'd bring back Grossman, Blades and Brown as starters, bring back Reed for back up and teams and get rid of Wilson, Sellers, Heyer, Buchanon and Goldston. I'd also try and trade anyone that has value, go 1-15 and have the first pick in the 2012 draft.[/quote]

It's tough to try to trade impending free agents. Sign and trades don't work as well in the NFL as they do in the NBA

My opinion (sprinkled in with some knowledge of the situations)

Rogers: He'll be back, but it could be a drawn out process
Rocky: They'll let him walk
Grossman: Working on a 2 year extension that essentially allows him to be a bridge to the next guy
Blades: Not likely to return (or so I've been told)
Brown: He stays, they're working on a new contract with him
Wilson: I'd like to see him back but I don't know
Sellers: I'm done with him, he needs to go already
Heyer: They like him, probably will be back
Buchanon: He wants a starters job, but he likes it here. I don't really know
Doughty: Should be back
Golston: Probably gone, looking go get paid. Not in our long term plans

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[quote=GridIron26;775991]Mike Furrey?! I thought we released him before the season started. Was he on IR or something?[/quote]

He was on IR. I'm guessing he's not in our plans to come back

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[quote=SmootSmack;776001]It's tough to try to trade impending free agents. Sign and trades don't work as well in the NFL as they do in the NBA

My opinion (sprinkled in with some knowledge of the situations)

Rogers: He'll be back, but it could be a drawn out process
Rocky: They'll let him walk
Grossman: Working on a 2 year extension that essentially allows him to be a bridge to the next guy
Blades: Not likely to return (or so I've been told)
Brown: He stays, they're working on a new contract with him
Wilson: I'd like to see him back but I don't know
Sellers: I'm done with him, he needs to go already
Heyer: They like him, probably will be back
Buchanon: He wants a starters job, but he likes it here. I don't really know
Doughty: Should be back
Golston: Probably gone, looking go get paid. Not in our long term plans[/quote]

Then I'd just let them go. We're never going to get over the hump with any of these guys. If we bring them back we're just going to have another 4-6 win season. I'd rather go 1-15 then 6-10.

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[quote=Mattyk;776000]Jarmon is back to the d-line now, we definitely need to address the LB group[/quote]1 additional pass rusher makes this a very potent pass defense.

You still have to trim the fat, such as Golston/DHall/Moore/Horton/McIntosh who have contributed to the season-long struggles of our pass defense. None of those players will be on the next great Redskins pass defense, but I believe FAR fewer additions are needed than subtractions.

Completely different on the other side of the ball, where we have a lot of decent contributors, but our only above average players are likely Trent Williams, Chris Cooley, and Fred Davis, and no depth.

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[quote=GridIron26;775991]Mike Furrey?! I thought we released him before the season started. Was he on IR or something?

Out of the list,[B] I would not try to retain Chris Wilson[/B].. McIntosh and Blades, I'm on the fence of whether if we should try to resign them or not.. It's obviously they do not fit in our defense, however we will need depth.. I am pretty sure McIntosh doesn't want to be back-up, but I think he might won't have a choice after he tests the market..

Most of players in the list will be good for depth, which is what we need. We cannot expect to fill in both starters and depth through FA and draft. It is possible but I don't think it's ideal, though.[/quote]

I keep hearing pundits saying Wilson was a nice back up to Orakpo when he needed a break or when he had to sit out the one game. Plus he took over Carter's spot pushing Carter to back up, supposedly. Which is why I'd keep him.

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[quote=skinsfan69;776015]Then I'd just let them go. We're never going to get over the hump with any of these guys. If we bring them back we're just going to have another 4-6 win season. I'd rather go 1-15 then 6-10.[/quote]Isn't 1-15 a "fire everybody" situation?

I don't mean just Mike Shanahan, Rex Grossman, and DeAngelo Hall. I mean, like, Bruce Allen and Eric Shaffer.

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[quote=GTripp0012;776026]Isn't 1-15 a "fire everybody" situation?

I don't mean just Rex Grossman and DeAngelo Hall. I mean, like, Bruce Allen and Eric Shaffer.[/quote]

Yeah I didn't get the whole "I'd rather go 1-15 vs. going 6-10 again" thing. I don't want 6-10 and I hope the team does better but I'll take the 6-10 over 1-15 as long as progress is being made to get this team to be respectable. In other words if they can pick up young healthy players and move the ball well but their issue is the "red zone" then we know thats all they need to work on the following year. I don't ever want to be the team that only wins 1 game all year.

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I would let the whole lot go, but Grossman, and Doughty :)

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i'm not sure if I'd bring Jammal Brown back, atleast not prior to free agency. He'll be 30 when the 2011 season starts and there are younger, better right tackles available in free agency. I also don't know why Brown would be intrested in returning. I seem to remember him wanting to play left tackle... If he still has that view, he certainly won't be cheap to resign.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;776054]i'm not sure if I'd bring Jammal Brown back, atleast not prior to free agency. He'll be 30 when the 2011 season starts and there are younger, better right tackles available in free agency. I also don't know why Brown would be intrested in returning. I seem to remember him wanting to play left tackle... If he still has that view, he certainly won't be cheap to resign.[/quote]By my count there will be four tackles (right or left) in FA who are younger/better than Brown:

Tyson Clabo
Jared Gaither
Doug Free
Ryan Harris

I don't think any of them will come cheaper than Brown will. You'd be paying starter money for all those guys and probably a premium for the first three. And I think R. Harris is a small upgrade on Brown, if that. Though Shanny did draft him.

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That's the same list for players better/younger than Heyer as well. We'll need to come away with at least two, I'm guessing it will be the same two we currently have. Harris is always possible if contract negotiations with either Heyer or Brown goes bad.

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[quote=SmootSmack;776001]It's tough to try to trade impending free agents. Sign and trades don't work as well in the NFL as they do in the NBA

My opinion (sprinkled in with some knowledge of the situations)

Rogers: He'll be back, but it could be a drawn out process
Rocky: They'll let him walk
Grossman: Working on a 2 year extension that essentially allows him to be a bridge to the next guy
Blades: Not likely to return (or so I've been told)
Brown: He stays, they're working on a new contract with him
Wilson: I'd like to see him back but I don't know
Sellers: I'm done with him, he needs to go already
Heyer: They like him, probably will be back
Buchanon: He wants a starters job, but he likes it here. I don't really know
Doughty: Should be back
Golston: Probably gone, looking go get paid. Not in our long term plans[/quote]

This is good news to me. I really want Rodgers to be on top of the list to be signed. D.Hall is a must keeper I dont see all the doubt in his play he has been solid in my eyes.

Sellers I am so done with him as well.
Buchanon Ive liked since his H-town days but Barnes was so impressive I'd like to see more of him. Youth movement baby!
Wilson played well this year. It shall be interesting this off season.

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[quote=GTripp0012;776023]1 additional pass rusher makes this a very potent pass defense.

You still have to trim the fat, such as Golston/DHall/Moore/Horton/McIntosh who have contributed to the season-long struggles of our pass defense. None of those players will be on the next great Redskins pass defense, but I believe FAR fewer additions are needed than subtractions.

Completely different on the other side of the ball, where we have a lot of decent contributors, but our only above average players are likely Trent Williams, Chris Cooley, and Fred Davis, and no depth.[/quote]

I disagree about Hall, I think he can improve his game w/better safety coverage & maturity on his part. He has big play ability & I think he stays around a while for that reason. The next great pass d could be next year or 2012 & I see him on the roster.

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Buchanon and Rexy keep, shoot even Rocky, but the rest let them fade away. If he had a better year, yeah keep Carlos, but not how the pass defense performed this past season.

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[quote=freddyg12;776121]I disagree about Hall, I think he can improve his game w/better safety coverage & maturity on his part. He has big play ability & I think he stays around a while for that reason. The next great pass d could be next year or 2012 & I see him on the roster.[/quote]

Yeah agree. I think as the pass rush disappeared from weeks 8-13, less mistakes were made by passers and throws were more deliberate...Hall struggled more along with the rest of our coverage. Hall makes plays in the secondary we need that. Landry does as well, but playin half a season doesnt sit well with me. To me Hall is part of the solution rather than the problem. Doesnt help when Moore struggled immensly in his "breakout" season, with everything from tackling to coverage. The only way would advocate Hall leaving is if we drafted one of the top 2 CB(which I really prefer not too with all the other areas we need help) and signed Carlos. If Hall was traded and we signed Ike Taylor that to me is a wash. Taylor probably better in coverage, but positive impactful plays? Hall proven to be more valuable based on last season play.

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Does anyone know if banks is under contract for next year?

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It is time to start the developing players on this team and see if they sink or swim...for far to long the Skins let these players lavish on the bench till something is shown! The rest of the league makes those players show up and play or get cut.

With the large number of players leaving I see an opportunity to start something new! OLB start Orakpo, Fletch, Riley, and Rob JAckson, with depth as Alexander and Wilson and Blades and I would love to see an additional name added by draft or free agent...starter or not. The secondary I like Bucannon but not at a larger price tag. The Cb are good with Hall and Rodgers (I wish he could catch). Dirty 30 is a monster in this 3-4! Now the other safety position is in need of a player. Everything we have is depth!
I was encouraged with the d-line play of Carriker and Bryant in the last games...jarmon is young and must show what he got this year!

Now offense I think we have a little more upside started with players like Austin in the end and Banks and Armstrong...Man I can't remember when we had young good WR's hopefully ready to take strides to kill the Skins desire to get a big name WR and save there money for the o-Line! As for the O-line put out the help wanted sign!!! get Rabach out of here! Need a gaurd maybe second round of the draft! Sellers needs to go. He just doesnt fit this system we need someone who can take a 1 yard pass and take it the distance...not an additional yard. Portis gone! get a vet to go with Torain and K. Williams.

I am seeing potential this year to start seeing things change to get this team in the right direction!

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[quote=Gmanc711;776217]Does anyone know if banks is under contract for next year?[/quote]

Probably not but since he doesn't have 4 years of service he's an exclusive rights free agent meaning he can't go anywhere.

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[quote=Gmanc711;776217]Does anyone know if banks is under contract for next year?[/quote]

Under contract through 2013 I believe

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Rogers may be kept, but for minimum, I really think the skins will push hard to get Pittsburgh steeler corner Ike Taylor.
Sellers is usless IMO
ditto for Wilson, and about more than half of the other guys on that list.

Dougthy needs to go. He is injury prone, and exposed in coverage badly.

Keep Rex but go hard after Mallet, because all the other QB's in this draft are going to be busts IMO. Locker is more of a risk than a reward.

Don't go after Andy Dalton. He doesn't have the arm or the right decision making process to succeed in the NFL. Plus he comes from the spread option offense. Tell me the last good QB to come out of that offense is?

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Andre Carter just listed his house for sale in Virginia. No bullshit. haha, i knew that was coming.

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Yeah I think someone reported seeing moving trucks at his house a week ago or so.

No big surprise. The writing is on the wall for Dre. He's a pro's pro, I'll be rooting for him wherever he goes.

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Does he have any gentlemen callers? Could be a decent fit at a LDE or something.

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Wow.. He put his house for sale already? I guess he's gone. LOL