Snyder Camp Upset!!
 

This article published by the DC City Paper last November obviously hasn't gone over well with the Snyder camp.

[url=http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtoncitypaper.com%2Farticles%2F40063%2Fthe-cranky-redskins-fans-guide-to-dan-snyder%2F&ei=-1BJTfjnG8zngQeO44kv&usg=AFQjCNGPE_w4LffrGqfT5S9TPviPmGB_5g&sig2=b17AgRsta2nU3A5_M_E0aA]The Cranky Redskins Fan's Guide to Dan Snyder - Washington City Paper[/url]

Snyder wants to see the author removed.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/01/AR2011020105889.html?hpid=moreheadlines]Redskins owner Dan Snyder seeks dismissal of City Paper writer[/url]

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Well, sure it seems bad when you lump it all together like that...

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Montgomery Burns.

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There are plenty of half-truths and lies in McKenna's article but Snyder would have been better off just letting it pass. When it comes to the Redskins, particularly Snyder, fans don't really care so much about much else but why aren't they winning.

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I, like some others, feel like Snyder has done his part this season to try and change the culture and change his image.

BUT, it's not going to be overnight. He has been pretty much a dickhead for his entire time of ownership, went out of his way to alienate fans with the horrible censorship in 2008, and has basically given himself a horrible reputation. Those kind of changes will take time for people to soak it in.

I have my doubts too about Snyder, but i really think he is intent on changing for the good. But i do worry if he will go back to his old ways if this season is a dissappointment again...Firing coaches, etc, crazy player signings....etc.

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[quote=SmootSmack;781809]There are plenty of half-truths and lies in McKenna's article but Snyder would have been better off just letting it pass. When it comes to the Redskins, particularly Snyder, fans don't really care so much about much else but why aren't they winning.[/quote]

That could also explain why the Snyder people are so upset. Some people get confused between the projected Snyder image, and the real one which has never really been known. The article was published a few days after the infamous Chad Dukes rant on 10.7 the fan.

[url=http://1067thefandc.cbslocal.com/2010/11/16/chad-dukes-rant-on-the-redskins-59-28-loss/]Chad Dukes Rant On the Redskins 59-28 Loss « 106.7 The Fan – DC Sportsradio[/url]

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I look at it like this, Snyder has had to learn how it is to be an owner of an NFL franchise. It's taken him years to finally start "trying" the right things to turn the team around.

I honestly believe in my heart that I saw a change in Snyder when Gibbs came back. Somehow, I think it took having a guy like Gibbs, someone that Daniel Snyder admired and respected, to get him to realize that he needed the right guys around him to make this team successful. Of course, the proof is still yet to be decided if that's true, but I think this is a different Daniel Snyder than the young rich CEO who had taken over the team in the late 90's.

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[quote=skinsguy;781815]I look at it like this, Snyder has had to learn how it is to be an owner of an NFL franchise. It's taken him years to finally start "trying" the right things to turn the team around.

[B]I honestly believe in my heart that I saw a change in Snyder when Gibbs came back. Somehow, I think it took having a guy like Gibbs, someone that Daniel Snyder admired and respected, to get him to realize that he needed the right guys around him to make this team successful[/B]. Of course, the proof is still yet to be decided if that's true, but I think this is a different Daniel Snyder than the young rich CEO who had taken over the team in the late 90's.[/quote]

I don't know, SG . . . I think Snyder's body of work in the few years immediately following, and perhaps even during, the Gibbs II era showed that he hadn't quite "gotten it" yet.

With regard to the article, there was no news broken by it; it was a deliberate hatchet job, pure and simple. The City Paper has run a number of truly informative cover stories over the years, and this wasn't one of them. That being said, I'm actually curious to see, if a lawsuit is in fact filed, exactly what was inaccurate within the story. There can't be any doubt that a lot of what was in this story is true, and I imagine it was the inventorying of those actually-true things in one place that probably upset Snyder as much as the inclusion of anything that was less than accurate. The simple fact is that he's made himself an easy target, whether he likes it or not. And yes, winning would take the heat off of him, but he's had a primary role in obstructing winning since he's been here.

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[quote=skinsguy;781815]I look at it like this, Snyder has had to learn how it is to be an owner of an NFL franchise. It's taken him years to finally start "trying" the right things to turn the team around.

I honestly believe in my heart that I saw a change in Snyder when Gibbs came back. Somehow, I think it took having a guy like Gibbs, someone that Daniel Snyder admired and respected, to get him to realize that he needed the right guys around him to make this team successful. Of course, the proof is still yet to be decided if that's true, but I think this is a different Daniel Snyder than the young rich CEO who had taken over the team in the late 90's.[/quote]

I would hope that 10 years of constantly losing while giving outrageous sums of money to undeserving 'players' would inspire more than a 'difference'.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;781817]I would hope that 10 years of constantly losing while giving outrageous sums of money to undeserving 'players' would inspire more than a 'difference'.[/quote]

But how much of that has happened recently, save for Albert Hanesworth (Cerrato), we can't really go by that argument anymore.

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[quote] I honestly believe in my heart that I saw a change in Snyder when Gibbs came back. Somehow, I think it took having a guy like Gibbs, someone that Daniel Snyder admired and respected, to get him to realize that he needed the right guys around him to make this team successful. Of course, the proof is still yet to be decided if that's true, but I think this is a different Daniel Snyder than the young rich CEO who had taken over the team in the late 90's.

This is what fans were both saying and experiencing just two years ago. Also from the City Paper. I witnessed a fan having to trash one of the plates the author describes.

[url=http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=5&sqi=2&ved=0CDEQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtoncitypaper.com%2Farticles%2F37987%2Fwhy-dan-snyder-is-checking-redskins-fans-for-seditious-materials&ei=9mNJTcGTLMXflgfg6tk_&usg=AFQjCNHdzT3LoBesuxaEQlQ-ZZJ8Ba4-Eg&sig2=O22ntVa7nADZE2FpYagpaA]Why Dan Snyder is checking Redskins fans for seditious materials. - Washington City Paper[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;781809]There are plenty of half-truths and lies in McKenna's article but Snyder would have been better off just letting it pass. [B]When it comes to the Redskins, particularly Snyder, fans don't really care so much about much else but why aren't they winning[/B].[/quote]

I would say your statement is correct if applied ONLY to fans that watch on tv. That can't be said for people that are paying to go to games. What can't be denied by DS is that this article points out the chronology of his moves to make $. Nothing wrong w/making $, but from charging to watch practice to suing ticketholders, he's created an image problem for himself that exacerbates the fans anger & disappointment they feel from losing all these years. Snyder IMO is in jeopardy of losing a LOT more ticket holders in the next couple years if things don't change. He may lose a lot even if things change.

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[quote=Longtimefan;781821][quote] I honestly believe in my heart that I saw a change in Snyder when Gibbs came back. Somehow, I think it took having a guy like Gibbs, someone that Daniel Snyder admired and respected, to get him to realize that he needed the right guys around him to make this team successful. Of course, the proof is still yet to be decided if that's true, but I think this is a different Daniel Snyder than the young rich CEO who had taken over the team in the late 90's.

This is what fans were both saying and experiencing just two years ago. Also from the City Paper. I witnessed a fan having to trash one of the plates the author describes.

[url=http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=5&sqi=2&ved=0CDEQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtoncitypaper.com%2Farticles%2F37987%2Fwhy-dan-snyder-is-checking-redskins-fans-for-seditious-materials&ei=9mNJTcGTLMXflgfg6tk_&usg=AFQjCNHdzT3LoBesuxaEQlQ-ZZJ8Ba4-Eg&sig2=O22ntVa7nADZE2FpYagpaA]Why Dan Snyder is checking Redskins fans for seditious materials. - Washington City Paper[/url][/quote]


And, what has Snyder done since then? Gotten rid of Vinny Cerrato, hired a football guy as GM (Bruce Allen), hired a Super Bowl winning Coach in Mike Shanahan, and has let them do whatever they think they can do to turn the team around. Hey, I'm not necessarily taking up for the guy, I'm just saying that I think fans needs to step back and look at everything, not just the wrong.

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[quote=freddyg12;781823]I would say your statement is correct if applied ONLY to fans that watch on tv. That can't be said for people that are paying to go to games. What can't be denied by DS is that this article points out the chronology of his moves to make $. Nothing wrong w/making $, but from charging to watch practice to suing ticketholders, he's created an image problem for himself that exacerbates the fans anger & disappointment they feel from losing all these years. [B]Snyder IMO is in jeopardy of losing a LOT more ticket holders in the next couple years if things don't change. He may lose a lot even if things change.[/B][/quote]

You know, I'd like to believe that, but something tells me whoever he loses in regards to season ticket-holders would be replaced by others wanting season tickets. Even if half of those fans don't show up (because of a losing season) I'm sure he's still making his green.

The only way to run Snyder out of town would be doing what this article and what the fans (wearing the anti-Dan shirts) are doing in order to hurt his reputation. But apparently it hasn't had much affect on the guy. So, to me, it's pretty much just futile attempts to get him to sell the team. I just think none of that stuff is going to work.

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:doh: Quality off-season thread. :doh:


Really, Mr. Snyder should just ignore the childish idiots who wrote the article, especially the "illustrator".

But, I do see him having a reason to feel disrespected, because he was.

You could compile a list of "failings" for EVERY NFL owner if you go in with a bias against/hatred for the person. There are a lot of lies/mistakes in that piece of crap, I mean work.

I don't doubt there's a huge waiting list for season tickets. Nepotism...that happens EVERY WHERE in the league. I think there are a lot of statements in there based on rumors and hearsay also.


But, the media as a whole is a toilet these days, so we shouldn't be shocked a steaming pile like this would be approved for release, but I do think he's justified in being angry about it. However, that's likely what they were looking for, because they'll get attention they can't get on their abilities and (lack of) talents. Dare we say, they were trolling?


Sure, there's a lot to bash him for and he's made some HORRIBLE mistakes over the last decade, but if you've been watching him with a fair mind, he has learned a lot and really changed how he runs things. In most businesses, the owner needs to have control over every aspect of the business. The NFL is a business, but the football decisions need to be made by personnel with football experience rather than the owner, who like Snyder, is more often a businessman instead of a football genius. Many owners take time to, or never learn to delegate the football decisions. (Jerry Jones, Al Davis, Bud Adams...)

Dan Snyder seems to have finally learned that he's not the best person to make these on-field calls and in the last year especially, he's proven that. Vinny is gone and the GM and coach are now calling the shots, as they should be.

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[quote=skinsguy;781824][quote=Longtimefan;781821]


And, what has Snyder done since then? Gotten rid of Vinny Cerrato, hired a football guy as GM (Bruce Allen), hired a Super Bowl winning Coach in Mike Shanahan, and has let them do whatever they think they can do to turn the team around. Hey, I'm not necessarily taking up for the guy, I'm just saying that I think fans needs to step back and look at everything, not just the wrong.[/quote]

Like other business "gurus," Snyder operates the Redskins under the mistaken assumption that success is something that can be bought. As far as I can tell, the Snyder Doctrine is some bizarre concoction of liberal amounts of reactionary decision-making, a strong concentration on the short term, and a heavy supply of poorly structured incentives. His favorite answer to solving complex problems is simply to throw more money at them.

Investors who have been around the block once or twice should start to see a few problems developing here.

To me, Dan Snyder is precisely the type of guy Benjamin Graham had in mind when he said "Wall Street people learn nothing and forget everything."

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I know that I am in the minority, but I like Dan Snyder sand hopes he owns the team for decades to come. I honestly believe that, despite his littany of mistakes, his intentions are in the right place and he will facillitate bringing a couple of Lombardi trophies to the B&G.

BTW- I would pressure the paper to fire the guy too. What's the use of being wealthy if you don't flex your power sometimes?

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[quote=skinsguy;781825]You know, I'd like to believe that, but something tells me [B]whoever he loses in regards to season ticket-holders would be replaced by others wanting season tickets.[/B] Even if half of those fans don't show up (because of a losing season) I'm sure he's still making his green.

The only way to run Snyder out of town would be doing what this article and what the fans (wearing the anti-Dan shirts) are doing in order to hurt his reputation. But apparently it hasn't had much affect on the guy. So, to me, it's pretty much just futile attempts to get him to sell the team. I just think none of that stuff is going to work.[/quote]

The article makes what I think is a valid point about this "waiting list" for season tickets. The whole thing is a marketing sham. There was a list for years, I really don't believe there's much of one now. I know that there's a big difference between the high end boxes & avg. seats. Supposedly they will concede that boxes are easy to get, if you have $.

But the marketing they've been doing for tickets doesn't look it's simply aimed at selling boxes, it's to the avg. fan. I entered a free ticket drawing online & the next day got a call from a friendly woman from redskins ticket office saying that seats were available.

Your logic I think is the same logic that DS has relied upon; that there is always someone to fill the seats. Well in this economy, that hasn't been the case. In one case on monday night we saw that there were plenty of people filling the seats, just so happened that they were in black & gold.

When I look at Snyder's ownership tenure, from a biz standpoint I see a product that is living off it's brand name, not its substance. At some point consumers associate the brand name negatively, that's what's been happening the last few years. I know that winning will change a lot, but Snyder's problem is that he has exhausted all his political capital w/the fan base to the extent that he now HAS to win.

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[quote=skinsguy;781824][quote=Longtimefan;781821]


And, what has Snyder done since then? Gotten rid of Vinny Cerrato, hired a football guy as GM (Bruce Allen), hired a Super Bowl winning Coach in Mike Shanahan, and has let them do whatever they think they can do to turn the team around. Hey, I'm not necessarily taking up for the guy, I'm just saying that I think fans needs to step back and look at everything, not just the wrong.[/quote]

Well said.

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[quote=Son Of Man;781831]I know that I am in the minority, but I like Dan Snyder sand hopes he owns the team for decades to come. I honestly believe that, despite his littany of mistakes, his intentions are in the right place and he will facillitate bringing a couple of Lombardi trophies to the B&G.

BTW- I would pressure the paper to fire the guy too. [B]What's the use of being wealthy if you don't flex your power sometimes?[/B][/quote]

LOL. That's awesome!

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I'll just re-link what I said in the other thread this past fall about this article here.

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/760520-post45.html[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;781846]I'll just re-link what I said in the other thread this past fall about this article here.

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/760520-post45.html[/URL][/quote]


SS, you correctly point out some of what I think are smaller things the article includes, e.g. B Mitch, poking fun at L. Michael. I think those things in the article are kind of piling on and nitpicky, they discredit the more substantive things the writer lists.

DS deserves credit for doing any no. of good things, I'm not saying he hasn't. It's also good for business to do some of those things. I stood up for him for a long time & thought people were unjustifiably hard on him. But he's got a track record now & a history of bad moves & poor judgement. He has repeated the "I've learned" mantra every preseason.

I really believe his time is running short to turn things around, we've seen the public grow increasingly disenchanted. The last few years were really a circus, and that's really disconcerting since Gibbs left the team in better shape than it was when he got there. I know getting rid of Vinny was step 1, and I'm confident in Allen & MS, but I wish I could say I was truly confident that moving forward they will be able to mold the team w/out DS adversely affecting their ability to do so.

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The fact that he reacted at all to this article shows he has not changed completely.
He has changed for the better though when it comes to the team and letting Shanahan/Allen run the team personnel wise. But the petulant, spoiled, self entitled man/child is still there....just hiding.

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[quote=Longtimefan;781828][quote=skinsguy;781824]

Like other business "gurus," Snyder operates the Redskins under the mistaken assumption that success is something that can be bought.[B] As far as I can tell, the Snyder Doctrine is some bizarre concoction of liberal amounts of reactionary decision-making, a strong concentration on the short term, and a heavy supply of poorly structured incentives. His favorite answer to solving complex problems is simply to throw more money at them.[/B]

Investors who have been around the block once or twice should start to see a few problems developing here.

To me, Dan Snyder is precisely the type of guy Benjamin Graham had in mind when he said "Wall Street people learn nothing and forget everything."[/quote]

Back in the first few years of his tenure, I would wholeheartedly agree with you. But, I'm not so sure that is the case. The thing you have to know for sure is, from a purely business point of view, is Daniel Snyder losing money? If the answer is yes, then his investors might be getting worried. If the answer is no, then what does it matter in regards to the product? What does it matter if he's making money solely based on the name? He's making money, so his business is thriving. Now, from the football standpoint, he's been a failure. But let's take a look at what he's tried to do:


He fired a general manager who had been with the team (not as the general manager mind you) since the late 70's and helped build the 1991 Super Bowl team. Brought in Vinny Cerrato. He tried to buy a Championship in 2000, bringing in all of these over-the-hill big name stars and got nowhere with that. He brought in a hard-nosed coach who started off 0-5, but ended at 8-8 and fired him after one season. Brought in a college coach who obviously was not willing to put in the hours needed to be successful in the NFL.

OK, second half of his tenure: Brought back Joe Gibbs, beloved coach of the glory years who had some success during his four years here. Fired Vinny Cerrato - who probably should be blamed for making Zorn head coach, but someone the fans disliked as a "GM". Hired Bruce Allen - his family has a legacy in Washington, which led to hiring a two time Super Bowl winning coach with Mike Shanahan.

From there, I see a man who at least on paper looks as if he's turned the corner and trying to be smarter with what is most important with an NFL franchise, and that's winning football games and championships. Remains to be seen if this works, but I can't fault the guy on too much since Gibbs II.

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[quote=freddyg12;781848]SS, you correctly point out some of what I think are smaller things the article includes, e.g. B Mitch, poking fun at L. Michael. I think those things in the article are kind of piling on and nitpicky, they discredit the more substantive things the writer lists.

DS deserves credit for doing any no. of good things, I'm not saying he hasn't. It's also good for business to do some of those things. I stood up for him for a long time & thought people were unjustifiably hard on him. But he's got a track record now & a history of bad moves & poor judgement. He has repeated the "I've learned" mantra every preseason.

I really believe his time is running short to turn things around, we've seen the public grow increasingly disenchanted. The last few years were really a circus, and that's really disconcerting since Gibbs left the team in better shape than it was when he got there. I know getting rid of Vinny was step 1, and I'm confident in Allen & MS, but I wish I could say I was truly confident that moving forward they will be able to mold the team w/out DS adversely affecting their ability to do so.[/quote]

Yeah, well my point is the public grows increasingly disenchanted in large part because they lump in many things that aren't true or misleading. Guy's not flawless by any means, but he might get a bit more slack if much of the bogus info wasn't piled on repeatedly....or maybe it just wouldn't matter because all people want is a winning team.

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[quote=Defensewins;781850]The fact that he reacted at all to this article shows he has not changed completely.
He has changed for the better though when it comes to the team and letting Shanahan/Allen run the team personnel wise. But the petulant, spoiled, self entitled man/child is still there....just hiding.[/quote]

He's never been known as the greatest when it comes to public speaking. Blessed with a concealing demeanor, it's plain to understand why he's so easily misunderstood, and not so fondly embraced by all of the Redskin community. It becomes a strain to sort out a difference between what he says, and what he does.

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[quote=freddyg12;781834]The article makes what I think is a valid point about this "waiting list" for season tickets. The whole thing is a marketing sham. There was a list for years, I really don't believe there's much of one now. I know that there's a big difference between the high end boxes & avg. seats. Supposedly they will concede that boxes are easy to get, if you have $.

But the marketing they've been doing for tickets doesn't look it's simply aimed at selling boxes, it's to the avg. fan. I entered a free ticket drawing online & the next day got a call from a friendly woman from redskins ticket office saying that seats were available.

Your logic I think is the same logic that DS has relied upon; that there is always someone to fill the seats. Well in this economy, that hasn't been the case. In one case on monday night we saw that there were plenty of people filling the seats, just so happened that they were in black & gold.

When I look at Snyder's ownership tenure, from a biz standpoint I see a product that is living off it's brand name, not its substance. At some point consumers associate the brand name negatively, that's what's been happening the last few years. I know that winning will change a lot, but Snyder's problem is that he has exhausted all his political capital w/the fan base to the extent that he now HAS to win.[/quote]


Interesting post, and certainly one that I don't completely disagree on. I do think Snyder is making a living off of the name, because it is obviously still making money. The team is located near an area where the average income is far greater than what it would be if the team was located in Southern VA. But you know, this team has been losing, more than winning, on a consistent basis since 1993, yet the team is still very popular and still considered one of the top storied franchises in the league.

Now, as far as marketing, I do find it interesting that the tickets are supposedly sold out, but yet I have been getting calls about tickets and stuff mailed to me. The only way I would ever buy season tickets is if A) I could afford to do so and the seats were decent, and B) I knew that I could easily sell a game or two and recoup my loss. But that's just me saying this, because I don't make six figures a year or even close to it.

But one other thing I would say....winning changes everything! Cowboys fans don't like Jerry Jones, but they can really care less how he runs the team so as long as the team is winning. I would say the same about the Redskins.

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This reaction by Snyder scares me. Not just because he's acting as a tyrant but mainly because it seems like he's getting stir crazy and if Allen/Shanahan fails he could use it as an in to get involved in football operations again.

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This sort of reminds me of last year when that bogus story circulated about Snyder ordering some million dollar alligator desks, or something like that.

I'm sure he gets frustrated with the repeated misinformation that's put out there. Who wouldn't? Unfortunately, it comes with the territory. He's better off just ignoring it. I mean if the worst someone can say about you is you spend too much on your team, what's the huge deal. He didn't, as I recall, make any defamatory statements toward Snyder's wife or kids. Had he done that, yeah sue him and his offspring for everything they've got and hope to one day have.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;781860]This reaction by Snyder scares me. Not just because he's acting as a tyrant but mainly because it seems like he's getting stir crazy and if Allen/Shanahan fails he could use it as an in to get involved in football operations again.[/quote]

Allen/Shanahan = the litmus test.

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[quote=Son Of Man;781831]I know that I am in the minority, but I like Dan Snyder sand hopes he owns the team for decades to come. I honestly believe that, despite his littany of mistakes, his intentions are in the right place and he will facillitate bringing a couple of Lombardi trophies to the B&G.

BTW- I would pressure the paper to fire the guy too. What's the use of being wealthy if you don't flex your power sometimes?[/quote]

LOL true but let's save it for the movies. We're talking about a man's job and possible family here.

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Clicked onto yahoo this morning and this dan snyder thing was the first article highlighted on their front page. awesome

I am going to go out on a limb here and assume the league cant be too happy with bad rep coming out about an nfl owner during superbowl week when the spotlight is extra bright and is supposed to be a positive image time for the NFL.

DS and his team had to know the Wash Po would make an article about his request for preservation of evidence re. the city paper article. He should have just waited a few weeks.

Just another decision from his camp that doesnt seem to well thought out to me.

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Look, Dan Snyder is a douche. He's treated his team's fans quite poorly in more ways than just shitty play on the field. That being said, I agree that it appears he's figured out that he has no idea how to run a football team himself, so he needed to get people that do know how to do it. I don't know if Shanny will be the answer nor do I know if Mr. Allen will be able to fix the team, but I'd much rather have Danny Boy than Al Davis or some of the other owners that refuse to spend money. The big thing that needs to be changed is quit trading away draft picks and instead, attempt to acquire more picks. Give the coaching staff enough time to actually succeed or fail rather than make a knee jerk reaction after one or two seasons. And finally, how bout reaching out to the fans of your team? You're filthy rich, you have the second most valuable team in the NFL. How about cutting ticket prices and truly offer the fans something of value as opposed to just consistently losing football. Cut prices now, and when you start winning again, the fans won't mind paying a little bit more for a winning team.

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[QUOTE=From Yahoo Front page]The Redskins' Dan Snyder makes it personal after a newspaper publishes a funny story.[/QUOTE]

Way to spin it for clickability Yahoo. I have come to really dislike a lot of Yahoo Sports headlines, and the articles are usually just as useless.

I generally would be a Dan Snyder apologist, and really think he is getting set for a long haul as a top owner. Some of that is hope, some is wishful, but a lot is based on watching a maturation process over all 10 years of his ownership. I've given enough long winded defenses not going to add another one, but the Yahoo link quote is just ridiculous to me. The article wasn't making jokes, it was a hatchet job, with a lot of facts, and certainly the writer made it personal long before Snyder did.

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[quote=Longtimefan;781828][quote=skinsguy;781824]

Like other business "gurus," Snyder operates the Redskins under the mistaken assumption that success is something that can be bought. As far as I can tell, the Snyder Doctrine is some bizarre concoction of liberal amounts of reactionary decision-making, a strong concentration on the short term, and a heavy supply of poorly structured incentives. His favorite answer to solving complex problems is simply to throw more money at them.

Investors who have been around the block once or twice should start to see a few problems developing here.

To me, Dan Snyder is precisely the type of guy Benjamin Graham had in mind when he said "Wall Street people learn nothing and forget everything."[/quote]


Longtimefan:

I would have given huge odds that Ben Graham's name would not have been invoked on this website for the next decade. Glad I didn't offer that prop bet...

BTW, I tend to agree with your final assessment here...

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Dan Snyder should take some pointers from Cirque du Soleil and realize that putting corporate interests first for the Redskins has harmed the culture there in more ways than one.

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[quote=SmootSmack;781846]I'll just re-link what I said in the other thread this past fall about this article here.

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/760520-post45.html[/url][/quote]

Hey Smack!! Is this true??

Flavor of ice cream that Snyder left to thaw in defensive coordinator Mike Nolan’s office TWICE in one season to let the coach know the owner felt his schemes were simplistic, or vanilla. John Feinstein wrote that Snyder’s second delivery, after a loss to Dallas, consisted of “three giant canisters of melting 31 Flavors ice cream” and a note that said “I do not like vanilla.”

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[quote=SmootSmack;781863]This sort of reminds me of last year when that bogus story circulated about Snyder ordering some million dollar alligator desks, or something like that.

I'm sure he gets frustrated with the repeated misinformation that's put out there. Who wouldn't? Unfortunately, it comes with the territory. [B]He's better off just ignoring it[/B]. I mean if the worst someone can say about you is you spend too much on your team, what's the huge deal. He didn't, as I recall, make any defamatory statements toward Snyder's wife or kids. Had he done that, yeah sue him and his offspring for everything they've got and hope to one day have.[/quote]

The Yahoo story on this included the comment that Snyder has just guaranteed maximum national exposure of what was originally a local story that has generally been forgotten about. And as a few others have said, such a decision rings of the old Snyder instead of the new one that, judging by the posts in this thread, the majority is very much enamored with.

Approaching the Post and telling them to save e-mails and leaking the news of the lawsuit exploration is a stupid decision on Snyder's part. I generally agree that Snyder has exhibited some maturation, although I disagree that it has been years in development as others have said, and instead believe it has only manifested very, very recently. But this since-dead story was printed in the same year that Snyder acknowledged past missteps and actually let a non-Joe Gibbs head coach become the franchise face, so I'm disappointed that he didn't choose to show himself above his detractors and just let this go. That would have been the mature thing to do.

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[quote=Terpfan76;781870]Look, Dan Snyder is a douche. He's treated his team's fans quite poorly in more ways than just shitty play on the field. That being said, I agree that it appears he's figured out that he has no idea how to run a football team himself, so he needed to get people that do know how to do it. I don't know if Shanny will be the answer nor do I know if Mr. Allen will be able to fix the team, but I'd much rather have Danny Boy than Al Davis or some of the other owners that refuse to spend money. The big thing that needs to be changed is quit trading away draft picks and instead, attempt to acquire more picks. Give the coaching staff enough time to actually succeed or fail rather than make a knee jerk reaction after one or two seasons. And finally, how bout reaching out to the fans of your team? You're filthy rich, you have the second most valuable team in the NFL. How about cutting ticket prices and truly offer the fans something of value as opposed to just consistently losing football. Cut prices now, and when you start winning again, the fans won't mind paying a little bit more for a winning team.[/quote]

Business first, dirty non-business things later...or never. Bruce Allen is why the fan experience is getting better, not Snyder.

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Look, regardless of the validity of the story its the freaking city paper. Doesn't he have bigger fish to fry? I think its pathetic and embarrassing that an owner is so personally TO'ed about an article.

Why not spend all that time and effort in bettering the team, to remove the negative perception created by his first decade of ownership?