Andy Reid or Mike Shanahan? Eagles President takes shot at Shanny
 

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I think Reid is a good coach but should he have won "multiple super bowls"? I don't know about that. Seems like the pressure is as big as ever for him in Philly. I don't see him winning a title there

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Maybe if he hadn't wasted 10 years with McNabb he would have won one by now.

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Seriously, F*ck the Eagles. 0 Superbowls, so f*ck off Banner.

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[quote=Chico23231;784831]Seriously, F*ck the Eagles. 0 Superbowls, so f*ck off Banner.[/quote]

Really Chico, you have the lingual heart of a Philly fan.

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You are what your record says you are.......Bill Parcells
The Eagles owner is a Dick...........Bill Parcells

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if joe schmoe fat body on "the biggest loser" can lose 40 pounds, andy reid can too.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;784830]Maybe if he hadn't wasted 10 years with McNabb he would have won one by now.[/quote]

Haha Daaaammmnn!

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Reid is to blame for losing Big games because his play calling gets so dam conservative in the Playoffs, McNabb cant play under pressure either. They certainly had many many SB quality teams thru the years. I define Reid as a better than average coach, nothing more.
Shanny proved he could go all the way so there is nothing that can be said.

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Reid and the Eagles wasted McNabb in his prime by not giving him good receivers (until TO), running TO out of town, and not getting a good short yardage/goal line running game. I think at best, they have two years to get to the big game...probably just one more though it seemed like the only way they won was by getting Vick beat up.

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Well wonder what will happen in 2011? If either McNabb stays at QB as you know he won't be or take being a backup. Despite McNabb's injuries getting in the way. He has a year or two ahead of him that is good if given the opportunity. Grossman is an average QB but not elite. He is better off as a backup.

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McNabb - Illusions of grandeur. Lying scum. Overrated. Better than departed incumbent(Campbell)
Shanahans - Illusions of grandeur. Lying scum. Overrated. Better than departed incumbents(Snyder, Vinny, Zorn).

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McNabb cost Reid alot of big games...no doubt about it. Seeing this year that a still semi-rusty Michael Vick takes the team to the playoffs when he didnt even start the first couple of games says to me that they definatley have a great chance at a superbowl. Andy Reid is a much better coach and talent evaluator than what people give him credit for.

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Plenty of good coaches don't win it all, I think Reid will fall under that category.

I didn't really take this as a shot at Shanahan as much as he's just proclaiming his faith in his own guy. I don't think the intention was to crap on MS's accomplishments necessarily. That said I'm sure MS will be filing this one away.

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Andy Reid is a damn good football coach. One thing I like about him is he seems to be able to relate and communicate with his players. They seem to respect him. He knows when to put a foot in their ass and he knows when to lay off. Not to mention he's done great things with Vick and McNabb. I've always liked him a lot. So far, from the one year I've seen from Shanahan, I'm just not that impressed with the guy. Right now, I'm taking Reid over Shanahan.

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[quote=skinsfan69;784860]Andy Reid is a damn good football coach. One thing I like about him is he seems to be able to relate and communicate with his players. They seem to respect him. He knows when to put a foot in their ass and he knows when to lay off. Not to mention he's done great things with Vick and McNabb. I've always liked him a lot. So far, from the one year I've seen from Shanahan, I'm just not that impressed with the guy. Right now, I'm taking Reid over Shanahan.[/quote]

Well put, i agree in full!!!

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Any man that would do this, i would got to war with any day, we all wish we had an Andy Reid as a coach!!

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4gNFL2upZE]YouTube - Andy Reid's Punt-Pass-Kick Bomb[/url]

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[quote=SolidSnake84;784857]McNabb cost Reid alot of big games...no doubt about it. Seeing this year that a still semi-rusty Michael Vick takes the team to the playoffs when he didnt even start the first couple of games says to me that they definatley have a great chance at a superbowl. Andy Reid is a much better coach and talent evaluator than what people give him credit for.[/quote]

-McNabb and Reid won a lot of games together and went to 5 NFC Championships and a SB, that's a great run. I think they both have to share some blame for not winning it all.

-Nothing rusty about Vick this year, he was in the MVP hunt for most of it.

-Vick was starting by week 2.

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[quote=skinsfan69;784860]Andy Reid is a damn good football coach. One thing I like about him is he seems to be able to relate and communicate with his players. They seem to respect him. He knows when to put a foot in their ass and he knows when to lay off. Not to mention he's done great things with Vick and McNabb. I've always liked him a lot. So far, from the one year I've seen from Shanahan, I'm just not that impressed with the guy. Right now, I'm taking Reid over Shanahan.[/quote]

It will not be handed to Shanahan this time, he'll have to earn it. We'll see if he makes the grade.

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Andy Reid is a top notch coach. I swear, if he left Philly today and we were without a coach, I'd sign him this afternoon.

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[quote=skinsfan69;784860]Andy Reid is a damn good football coach. One thing I like about him is he seems to be able to relate and communicate with his players. They seem to respect him. He knows when to put a foot in their ass and he knows when to lay off. Not to mention he's done great things with Vick and McNabb. I've always liked him a lot. So far, from the one year I've seen from Shanahan, I'm just not that impressed with the guy. Right now, I'm taking Reid over Shanahan.[/quote]

Give Reid the Redskins and I think we would see the same ol Redskins IMO. Which one of us if given the choice would chose to coach a team like the Redskins over any other team?

Its going to take a monumental effort to change the Redskins not just a matter of plugging the holes on O Line or anywhere else. Shanny has got to do the impossible, and thus far nobody since Gibbs has been able to win with this team including Gibbs himself on his return. (This list is long)

Reid has had more than enough time and opportunity with the Eagles. No reasonable comparison can be made between them. And Shanny has not been given enough time to change the culture of the Redskins, if he can.

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[quote=Longtimefan;784880]It will not be handed to Shanahan this time, he'll have to earn it. We'll see if he makes the grade.[/quote]

Not to change this thread around but this is why I think Gibbs 1 was one of the best ever. He did it with three different average QB's. No Elway or Young...Theismann, Williams/ Schroeder and Rypien. You simply will never ever ever see that again in the history of the NFL. Reid got the most out of McNabb with some average wr's. If we keep McNabb then I want to see them coach him up and get him to play better.

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[quote=44ever;784896]Give Reid the Redskins and I think we would see the same ol Redskins IMO. Which one of us if given the choice would chose to coach a team like the Redskins over any other team?

Its going to take a monumental effort to change the Redskins not just a matter of plugging the holes on O Line or anywhere else. Shanny has got to do the impossible, and thus far nobody since Gibbs has been able to win with this team including Gibbs himself on his return. (This list is long)

Reid has had more than enough time and opportunity with the Eagles. No reasonable comparison can be made between them. And Shanny has not been given enough time to change the culture of the Redskins, if he can.[/quote]

True. He needs more time. But so far in his one year, I think he's made some bad moves, both on the coaching front and front office stuff.

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[quote=skinsfan69;784899]Not to change this thread around but this is why I think Gibbs 1 was one of the best ever. He did it with three different average QB's. No Elway or Young...Theismann, Williams/ Schroeder and Rypien. You simply will never ever ever see that again in the history of the NFL. Reid got the most out of McNabb with some average wr's. If we keep McNabb then I want to see them coach him up and get him to play better.[/quote]

I know we're partial as 'skins fans, but I wonder if people really, truly, realized how great of a coach Joe Gibbs was? Of course, let's not forget that he had a great general manager and staff in the front office to help him along the way. Even though he wasn't "great" in his second tenure, seeing that he was able to get two decent playoff seasons out of this team, something that no other Redskins coach has been able to do since Gibbs left the first time (took Norv about six or seven years for one), I would dare to say is it ever possible to have this team winning like it did in the 80's without making even more changes in the F.O.? I mean, we do have Bruce Allen, but his thing seems to be negotiating contracts. Wished he could have a partner who was great at focusing on player acquisitions.

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I will take Reid if I am also getting the entire Eagles front office operation. I like the way they do things. Plus Reid is younger then Shanny and could stay longer. However, if all I am getting is Reid alone then I will stick with Shanny.

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[quote=Ruhskins;784848]Reid and the Eagles wasted McNabb in his prime by not giving him good receivers (until TO), running TO out of town, and not getting a good short yardage/goal line running game. I think at best, they have two years to get to the big game...probably just one more though it seemed like the only way they won was by getting Vick beat up.[/quote]

Sorry but TO ran himself out of town. I'm no Eagles fan but if I'm correct they are a pretty young team.

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[quote=Mattyk;784876]-McNabb and Reid won a lot of games together and went to 5 NFC Championships and a SB, that's a great run. I think they both have to share some blame for not winning it all.

-Nothing rusty about Vick this year, he was in the MVP hunt for most of it.

-Vick was starting by week 2.[/quote]

What i meant by Vick being semi-rusty, was that he had not taken any work as the starting QB through training camp, and he didn't have a full body of offseason work as starter. That being said, he played phenomenally well when he got his chance, and he can only go up from here. I didnt really word my comment correctly.

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Some good points on this thread. I think you have to give Reid a lot of credit, you don't win that much for that long by luck.

At the same time, as pointed out by celts32, the iggles have had a sound biz plan over the past decade. Also, Jim Johnson was a big part of their success. They obviously weren't happy w/the D after he passed, firing Mcdermott.

I am not sure of what to make of the eagles now, Vick will likely not have a year like 2010 again, and the team seems to lack the identity & leadership it had when Dawkins, Trotter & McNabb were there. I could see them slipping or taking a big step forward.

I don't think it's worth much to compare Shanny & Reid, but like Matty said I'm sure Shanny is taking note of this comment. So that's good for us.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;784914]What i meant by Vick being semi-rusty, was that he had not taken any work as the starting QB through training camp, and he didn't have a full body of offseason work as starter. That being said, he played phenomenally well when he got his chance, and [B]he can only go up from here[/B]. I didnt really word my comment correctly.[/quote]

I am happy for Vick as much as I can be for any Iggle, but I really disagree w/this. If he plays near his 2010 level, the team will be in every game. I just don't think he can have that great a year again. The main thing I expect to see is more turnovers, even if he plays well otherwise.

I think Vick in 2010 was like Farve in 2009. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if he has a frustrating 2011 & throws more crucial picks. The main reason I question Vick as a long-term answer is his health; what he brings in excitement has a downside w/his injuries.

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[quote=skinsguy;784902]I know we're partial as 'skins fans, but I wonder if people really, truly, realized how great of a coach Joe Gibbs was? Of course, let's not forget that he had a great general manager and staff in the front office to help him along the way. Even though he wasn't "great" in his second tenure, seeing that he was able to get two decent playoff seasons out of this team, something that no other Redskins coach has been able to do since Gibbs left the first time (took Norv about six or seven years for one), I would dare to say is it ever possible to have this team winning like it did in the 80's without making even more changes in the F.O.? I mean, we do have Bruce Allen, but his thing seems to be negotiating contracts. Wished he could have a partner who was great at focusing on player acquisitions.[/quote]

Not to mention the best defensive coordinator in the history of the NFL!

But IMO what this organization is truly missing is a true, hard core personel man. Someone who will go to Arkansas Pine Bluff and find a diamond in the ruff like a Monte Coleman. Or go to Idaho and find a Mark Schlereth. Until we get that then it's just going to be the same old same old.

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[quote=firstdown;784910]Sorry but TO ran himself out of town. I'm no Eagles fan but if I'm correct they are a pretty young team.[/quote]

TO ran himself out of town once they wouldn't pay him. However, he made that team better right away, he was at his prime then. The Eagles didn't have a good WR threat until they got D. Jackson.

The Eagles are a young team at the skills position except QB. I guess it all depends on Vick's health, I say this because he was beat up in that playoff game. If Vick lasts at QB, then the Eagles would be a contender. But I feel that he was pretty beat up as the season ended.

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[quote=Ruhskins;784919][B]TO ran himself out of town once they wouldn't pay him.[/B] However, he made that team better right away, he was at his prime then. The Eagles didn't have a good WR threat until they got D. Jackson.

The Eagles are a young team at the skills position except QB. I guess it all depends on Vick's health, I say this because he was beat up in that playoff game. If Vick lasts at QB, then the Eagles would be a contender. But I feel that he was pretty beat up as the season ended.[/quote]

Are you on TO's PR staff?

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[quote=skinsfan69;784900]True. He needs more time. But so far in his one year, I think he's made some bad moves, both on the coaching front and front office stuff.[/quote]
I agree.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;784828][URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/16/banner-if-mike-shanahan-can-win-two-super-bowls-andy-reid-can-too/"]Banner: If Mike Shanahan can win two Super Bowls, Andy Reid can too | ProFootballTalk[/URL]

I think Reid is a good coach but should he have won "multiple super bowls"? I don't know about that. Seems like the pressure is as big as ever for him in Philly. I don't see him winning a title there[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Andy has had 10 years to do it and he hasn't. If he would have drafted a top notch running back instead of these gadget backs (Westbrook is the first name that comes to mind) and really dedicated the team to running the ball. Also see what happen when they had a real wide out like T.O. Although he is a idiot he still took them to the house, and played on a broken leg, but they didn’t want to pay him. [I]He was a distraction[/I] wah wah wah that’s why the Eagles will always be a joke to me and they will never win anything. They try to win with no name pieces and this has worked for them in the regular season, however we see what happens to them in the playoffs where it really counts.[/FONT][/COLOR]

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Buster has it right, in the end all MS has to say to this crap is check the scoreboard.

Shanahan 2 Reid 0.

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[quote=freddyg12;784921]Are you on TO's PR staff?[/quote]

No, what makes you say that? Because I have an opinion different than everyone's on this specific issue?

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Someone tell them the reason Andy hasn't won a Super Bowl is because his offense is a fcking gimmick. Let's see, last year it was screens to McCoy, Jackson on a go route, run with Vick, draw with McCoy peppered with a few slants here and there. Handy Andy will never win a super bowl when facing a good defense which is usually what you face in the playoffs.

Don't talk shit about a man who has won two super bowls and coaches in your division. There is no benefit in doing so.

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[quote=Ruhskins;784935]No, what makes you say that? Because I have an opinion different than everyone's on this specific issue?[/quote]

JK, but the reason I said it was because although TO's departure had to do w/him wanting to renegotiate his contract for more $, in the end it had as much or more to do w/his destructive behavior.

I will agree w/you in that at the time he was a top wr in the nfl, but at the time he started to 'negotiate' he'd already dissed his qb publicly. Both before & after his time w/philly he exhibited this behavior.

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[quote=saden1;784948]Someone tell them the reason Andy hasn't won a Super Bowl is because his offense is a fcking gimmick. Let's see, last year it was screens to McCoy, Jackson on a go route, run with Vick, draw with McCoy peppered with a few slants here and there. Handy Andy will never win a super bowl when facing a good defense which is usually what you face in the playoffs.

Don't talk shit about a man who has won two super bowls and coaches in your division. There is no benefit to doing so.[/quote]

That gimmick offense broke records on our sorry ass d this year, i know we won the first game but they darn sure made up for it in the second one. And again all the bashers on here would love to have AR as our coach!!!!

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Your only as good as your last performance.