Skins cut Andre Carter
 

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Loved this guy's attitude, I think AC could go to a 4-3 team and contribute immediately. best wishes

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Thanks for the toughness AC good dude on/off the field

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I thought this might happen. He is worthless in the 3-4. No sense in paying the guy to be a backup.

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[quote=saden1;787003]I thought this might happen. He is worthless in the 3-4. No sense in paying the guy to be a backup.[/quote]I agree about his 3-4 struggles, but couldn't the FO have tried holding him until the CBA was signed, then traded him for at least a 7th round pick? For that matter, the FO screwed up not trading him last year coming off a 10 sack season when Shanny first announced the switch to a 3-4. Carter's last season in SF was evidence enough that he was a poor fit, but he certainly should have gotten us a draft pick in return last year. FO Fail.

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I am so happy we are cutting the fat of this team not that I dont like these guys getting cut but about freaking time...... I wonder what the players on team feel like. I am glad we finally have someone driving the car.

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I loved having somebody of AC's calibur when it comes to off the field character and on the field work ethic. It's a shame he didn't fit the scheme, but I do wish him well on his journey. Thanks Andre!

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Carter nor Dockery's release is what you would call a surprise. They both knew it was coming....... good luck to both.

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Thanks Andre. Great effort and productivity.

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Dre was a very solid player for us, good guy on and off the field.

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[quote=Chico23231;786995]Loved this guy's attitude, I think AC could go to a 4-3 team and contribute immediately. best wishes[/quote]

Feel the exact same way. Good luck AC!

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Great guy, high character on and off the field... but to be honest, he was just an average, so so player. It looks like the Redskins are finally realizing that they have to get younger, but they have to get better players too.

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Love AC but it seems change is really coming. Finally.

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Andre is a great guy and I wish him luck, he's truly one of the good guys in this league. With all that said, he's not a scheme fit for us, and we need 3-4 guys not 4-3 guys. I wish him the best of luck.

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[quote=Chico23231;786995]Loved this guy's attitude, I think AC could go to a 4-3 team and contribute immediately. best wishes[/quote]

No doubt, he won't be looking for work for long.

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Man, we waited to get a DT for our 4-3 and finally AC was effective and not seeing double teams then we switch to a 3-4 and in the end we dont get any value for him at all. Just terrible.

Find another team AC, I know your a hard worker.

AC was a good guy to have on a football team. Hopefully he's still got some gas in the tank and can get it done somewhere else. Hopefully in the AFC.

Looks like an attempt to get younger and start using the draft. Please god now don't go sign Carson Palmer and TO.

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[quote=44ever;787021]Love AC but it seems change is really coming. Finally.[/quote]

"Change" is an overused term. A top 10 4-3 defense to a 31st ranked 3-4 defense is "change", but I don't think that's what you wanted.

[quote=SouperMeister;787004]...but couldn't the FO have tried holding him until the CBA was signed, then traded him for at least a 7th round pick? For that matter, the FO screwed up not trading him last year coming off a 10 sack season when Shanny first announced the switch to a 3-4. Carter's last season in SF was evidence enough that he was a poor fit, but he certainly should have gotten us a draft pick in return last year. FO Fail.[/quote]


I agree completely with SouperMeister. Carter was a good 4-3 DE, and he should have been traded at peak value last year, instead of being released. Poor judgement by Shanny to switch too early to a 3-4.

We've also undermined the trade value of McNabb and Haynesworth. Everyone knows we're trying to get rid of both.

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AC was an above avg. 4-3 DE & a subpar 3-4 OLB. He was good for the skins & played on some good defensive units here. Smart, classy guy too. Wish he could've made the transition.

No turning back now, these 3 cuts the past 2 days make it pretty clear that there's little to no room for sentiment in building this team.

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[quote=ethat001;787044]"Change" is an overused term. A top 10 4-3 defense to a 31st ranked 3-4 defense is "change", but I don't think that's what you wanted.




I agree completely with SouperMeister. Carter was a good 4-3 DE, and he should have been traded at peak value last year, instead of being released. Poor judgement by Shanny to switch too early to a 3-4.

We've also undermined the trade value of McNabb and Haynesworth. Everyone knows we're trying to get rid of both.[/quote]

I think that's being a bit hard on a coach who is trying to instill discipline and a new order, change the culture, etc. I think Shan deserves some criticism for how far he took some things w/AH & he admitted that he mishandled the detroit game benching afterwards. At some point though, a coach can't act like everything's cool w/a player just so that player looks good to teams that might be interested.

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[quote=Dread-Skin;787028]Man, we waited to get a DT for our 4-3 and finally AC was effective and not seeing double teams then we switch to a 3-4 and in the end we dont get any value for him at all. Just terrible.

Find another team AC, I know your a hard worker.[/quote]

Yep, great guy to have on your team, i really liked him, good Redskin.

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AC was an undeserving victim of the 3-4 switch. I hope that he lands on a winning 4-3 team.

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Good guy, good player in the 3-4. Hey, it's tough though, he's older and costs alot of money. It's pretty clear that we going younger. Best of luck to AC.

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[quote=freddyg12;787055]AC was an above avg. 4-3 DE & a subpar 3-4 OLB. He was good for the skins & played on some good defensive units here. Smart, classy guy too. Wish he could've made the transition.

[B]No turning back now, these 3 cuts the past 2 days make it pretty clear that there's little to no room for sentiment in building this team.[/B][/quote]

I think it is more like getting rid of guys who don't fit our scheme, which is about damn time they did that. I hope they can go out and get some guys with experience in the schemes we are putting in place (ZBS, 3-4, etc., etc.).

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I think the meaning of the 3-4 to the redskins is that it will get us to 3-4 wins a year. Or that the skins will be 3-4 from the bottom in defense every year. I think they go hand in hand. Im just being a Nancy, please forgive.

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;787122]I think the meaning of the 3-4 to the redskins is that it will get us to 3-4 wins a year. Or that the skins will be 3-4 from the bottom in defense every year. I think they go hand in hand. Im just being a Nancy, please forgive.[/quote]

every year every team finds guys that can get it down and are unknown but if we want our 3-4 to work..... VON MILLER

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Von Miller and a real NT and this D will be much different.

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Jerry Gray and the Titans could be looking at Carter.

[URL="http://ten.247sports.com/Article/Ex-Redskins-DE-Andre-Carter-has-ties-to-Jerry-Gray-16905"]Ex-Redskins DE Andre Carter has ties to Jerry Gray[/URL]

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Andre Carter is valuable to a team as a leader and as a clubhouse mentor for young players - - some of whom have serious self-destructive tendencies.

He will be missed for those attributes; not every player with "ten years in the league" has them.

Good luck to him wherever he catches on...

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[quote=Mattyk;787130]Von Miller and a real NT and this D will be much different.[/quote]

Matty:

No "inside info" here but I suspect that Von Miller will be long gone when the Skins pick rolls around.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;787137]Matty:

No "inside info" here but I suspect that Von Miller will be long gone when the Skins pick rolls around.[/quote]

He could, but Orakpo fell even further to #13 so who knows.

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I'd pick Lindsey Vonn over Vonn Miller, thats why it wouldnt be good for me to be a GM.

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[quote=Mattyk;787138]He could, but Orakpo fell even further to #13 so who knows.[/quote]That was incredibly good fortune, especially Buffalo taking Maybin with Orakpo still on the board. If a no brainer like Miller isn't available when we pick, I would be just as happy if we traded down to later in the 1st round and added another 2nd round pick. There are A LOT of holes to fill, especially with a defense running the 3-4 that was built around 4-3 personnel. Offensive line must be a priority also. It will take 2-3 more drafts to undo years of neglecting line depth on both sides of the ball.

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But, with no draft trades and no FA before the draft, a lot of teams ahead of us could take QBs earlier than usual if they need one...and a lot of teams do. Because of the uncertainty on how and when they can address their needs outside of the draft, teams will be drafting on NEED instead of best player available...the opposite of the norm.

If this is true, we should be hitting both lines hard in this draft...maybe a 3-4 LB, WR and FS too. The players we release between now and the draft could be indications of the holes we're going to fill in the draft (except for Portis, he was a money decision and we have Torain/Williams).

I think this draft will be the most unpredictable ever.

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;787157]I'd pick Lindsey Vonn over Vonn Miller, thats why it wouldnt be good for me to be a GM.[/quote]

Lol she's a lot cuter.

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[quote=freddyg12;787055][B]AC was an above avg. 4-3 DE [/B]& a subpar 3-4 OLB. He was good for the skins & played on some good defensive units here. Smart, classy guy too. Wish he could've made the transition.

No turning back now, these 3 cuts the past 2 days make it pretty clear that there's little to no room for sentiment in building this team.[/quote]

I disagree. Ac is a great guy and a great role model for the younger players as everyone agrees.
But as a player, he is a bit of a one trick pony. He was a great pass rusher in the 4-3, but he got used in the run game. I used to get frustrated as hell with him even in the 4-3. He is not a great instinctive player, which is why he failed as a 3-4 LB, because 3-4 Lb's have to be good at both run and pass.
Just put him on the edge on passing downs. The high sack numbers got him noticed but that is a bit misleading, because the rest of his game was substandard.

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Best of luck to you AC! Class act all around.

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Vonn Miller looks good but really small

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnZSceCN5Yg]YouTube - Von Miller Butkus Award Winner 2010 Highlights[/url]

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I think his size won't be too bad due to his instincts and ability

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[quote=SouperMeister;787004]the FO screwed up not trading him last year coming off a 10 sack season when Shanny first announced the switch to a 3-4. [/quote]

I totally agree.
Not only that...but they could have traded Haynesworth, Portis, Rogers too.
All had decent value....and we may end up with none of them on the team with zero in return.

I would argue we could have gotten at the time
Haynesworth - 2nd
Carter - 3rd
Portis - 3rd
Rogers-3rd

Imagine if we had those pick this year! or even half of them