26-27-60 QB formula
 

Results for this year's QB class

(26 or better on the Wonderlic, 27 or more starts, completion % of at least 60)

[B][COLOR=seagreen]Ponder 35 - 35 - 61.8%[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=seagreen]McElroy 43 - 27 - 66.3%[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=seagreen]Dalton 29 - 50 - 61.7%[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=seagreen]Gabbert 42 - 29 - 60.9%[/COLOR][/B]
[COLOR=red]Locker 20 - 39 - 53.9%[/COLOR]
[COLOR=red]Kaepernick 37 - 49 - 58.2%[/COLOR]
[COLOR=red]Stanzi 30 - 32 - 59.8%[/COLOR]
[COLOR=red]Newton 21 - 14 - 66.1%[/COLOR]
[COLOR=red]Mallett 26 - 29 - 57.8%[/COLOR]

[URL="http://www.cincyjungle.com/2011/3/17/2056095/quarterback-wonderlic-scores-released-updating-the-26-27-60-formula"]source[/URL]

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Wow I figured Locker would dominate the test

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Good refresher:

[URL]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/37272-rule-26-27-60-predicts-qb.html[/URL]

[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/john_lopez/07/08/qb.rule/index.html]Rule of 26-27-60 predicts NFL quarterback success, failure - John P. Lopez - SI.com[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;794465]Wow I figured Locker would dominate the test[/quote]

Apparently ole' Jake is not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

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[quote=Lotus;794472]Apparently ole' Jake is not the sharpest knife in the drawer.[/quote]


I saw this last night on the show that came on before John Grudens QB club. I thought it was pretty funny:
[url=http://www.tri-cityherald.com/2011/04/19/1456774/espn-posts-chilling-video-of-hit.html]ESPN posts chilling video of hit on Locker - Sports: Eric Degerman | Tri-City Herald : Mid-Columbia news[/url]

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[quote=Lotus;794472]Apparently ole' Jake is not the sharpest knife in the drawer.[/quote]

Yeah apparently Cam isn't much smarter .. Of course this is just a combine test that these guys really don't care about..

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Of those 9 QB's you listed, Mallett has the 8th best completion %. I thought that was his calling card, his "amazing" arm. Doesn't matter if he can throw an 80 yard pass if it's in the dirt.

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If there was a score for toughness, Locker would be at the top of the list

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[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=lc-carpenter_memory_improves_gabbert_stock_041911]Great memory turns Gabbert into top prospect - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]


A piece on Gabbert's great memory and ability to pick up things fast.

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If McElroy completes 66% in the NFL it will have to be an offense of screens and shovel passes.

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I like Kaepernick and Dalton. If we don't land a QB in the first round, I'd be happy with either of those two. I watched 4 or 5 Nevada games last year, and Kaepernick is a baller with a rifle.

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[quote=Mattyk;794478]If there was a score for toughness, Locker would be at the top of the list[/quote]

Yeah i really gained a lot of respect for Locker last night. He really came across as a really tough dude and showed a lot of leadership too. From all his interviews and what not he came across a lot "smarter" and i would have guessed a higher score then some of the other QBs on that list.

Also im really starting to like Tyrod Taylor after last night. Although his "numbers" suck:

??? - 41 -57.4%

If Taylor wasnt 6'1" i feel like he would be a top 5 prospect.

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I am somewhat smitten with Dalton. I wouldn't shake a stick at Ponder either although I don't know that he is a franchise guy in the long run. More of a Brad Johnson type which is better than we've had since...well...Brad Johnson.

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[quote=Mattyk;794478]If there was a score for toughness, Locker would be at the top of the list[/quote]

....with his broken shoulder/collerbone. right?

Oh sorry your talking about playing through pain not getting injured.

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[quote=mlmpetert;794484]Yeah i really gained a lot of respect for Locker last night. He really came across as a really tough dude and showed a lot of leadership too. From all his interviews and what not he came across a lot "smarter" and i would have guessed a higher score then some of the other QBs on that list.

Also im really starting to like Tyrod Taylor after last night. Although his "numbers" suck:

??? - 41 -57.4%

If Taylor wasnt 6'1" i feel like he would be a top 5 prospect.[/quote]

Tyrod Taylor is a poor man's version of Pat White. He's definitely not as good as White was in college, and he's not a NFL type of QB. Maybe he can follow in the footsteps of Randal El and return punts for a .35/yard average.

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[quote=Mattyk;794462]Results for this year's QB class

(26 or better on the Wonderlic, 27 or more starts, completion % of at least 60)

[B][COLOR=seagreen]Ponder 35 - 35 - 61.8%[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=seagreen]McElroy 43 - 27 - 66.3%[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=seagreen]Dalton 29 - 50 - 61.7%[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=seagreen]Gabbert 42 - 29 - 60.9%[/COLOR][/B]
[COLOR=red]Locker 20 - 39 - 53.9%[/COLOR]
[COLOR=red]Kaepernick 37 - 49 - 58.2%[/COLOR]
[COLOR=red]Stanzi 30 - 32 - 59.8%[/COLOR]
[COLOR=red]Newton 21 - 14 - 66.1%[/COLOR]
[COLOR=red]Mallett 26 - 29 - 57.8%[/COLOR]

[URL="http://www.cincyjungle.com/2011/3/17/2056095/quarterback-wonderlic-scores-released-updating-the-26-27-60-formula"]source[/URL][/quote]


So I wonder now if anything will change in regards to their expected draft placements? Usually the media and fans look at stats and watch film for skill level and technique. The coaches and GM's look at that and the wonderlick. They want a smart QB.

Oh, and I wonder.... who said we should drop back and look to take a QB in the second round.... hmmm, who could that be.... oh me :)

Edit: Ponder or Dalton.

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I'd take any of the guys listed in green. Ponder and Dalton are the two I like the best.

I do not want Locker at all, nor do I want the #10 pick to be used on a QB.

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[quote=Lotus;794472]Apparently ole' Jake is not the sharpest knife in the drawer.[/quote]

I read an ESPN the mag article where the writer says that when admiring a vaulted ceiling in a waiting room, someone asked Locker how high he thought it was. Jake answered, "30 yards, about 60 feet". Another player there looked at him and said "dude, 30 yards is 90 feet". Lockers response was, "I don't know that stuff, I'm a history major"!!!
You said it Lotus...

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[quote=Redskin Jim;794499]I read an ESPN the mag article where the writer says that when admiring a vaulted ceiling in a waiting room, someone asked Locker how high he thought it was. Jake answered, "30 yards, about 60 feet". Another player there looked at him and said "dude, 30 yards is 90 feet". Lockers response was, "I don't know that stuff, I'm a history major"!!!
You said it Lotus...[/quote]

That seems a bit unfair. There are probably a lot of history majors/liberal arts students that are very bright, that don't know how many feet are in a yard at that age. The concern would be w/how well he can memorize numbers & variations of plays. Doesn't make him dumb, but he may have to work harder to memorize the playbook.

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More Wonderlic scores:

Dan Marino - 14
Donovan McNabb - 14

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/23006/video-gruden-qb-camp-newton-sequel-2]Video: Gruden QB camp - Newton sequel - AFC South Blog - ESPN[/url]


I"m going on record right now. If this kid becomes a legit QB in the NFL, I will buy everybody on this board a drink.

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[quote=NC_Skins;794505][URL="http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/23006/video-gruden-qb-camp-newton-sequel-2"]Video: Gruden QB camp - Newton sequel - AFC South Blog - ESPN[/URL]


I"m going on record right now. If this kid becomes a legit QB in the NFL, I will buy everybody on this board a drink.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I was watching last night and thinking there is no way i would pick this kid in the first 2 rounds of the draft. I put it at a 5% chance that he's successful in the nfl as a qb. [/FONT][/COLOR]

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i used to have a strong faith in locker. now trade with new england or san diego for a second round pick where we get dalton sounds fantastic

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[quote=mlmpetert;794506][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I was watching last night and thinking there is no way i would pick this kid in the first 2 rounds of the draft. I put it at a 5% chance that he's successful in the nfl as a qb. [/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

He's going to have a huge learning curve when it comes to learning a playbook and operating an NFL offense that's for sure.

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[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1103/nfl-memorable-wonderlic-scores/content.1.html]Blaine Gabbert: 42 - Memorable Wonderlic Scores - Photos - SI.com[/url]

Vick - 20
Vince Young - 6 then 15
Ryan Leaf -27
Dan Marino -15
Brett Favre - 22
Peyton Manning - 28
Alex Smith - 40
Donovan McNabb - 14
Tom Brady - 33
Aaron Rodgers - 35
Tim Tebow - 22
Terry Bradshaw - 16
Randall Cunningham - 14

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Interesting that Jay Cutler was one of the notable exceptions. As was Ben Rothelisberger if we want to talk about Cam's chances of NFL success. Vick was also an exception.

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[quote=mlmpetert;794484]Yeah i really gained a lot of respect for Locker last night. He really came across as a really tough dude and showed a lot of leadership too. From all his interviews and what not he came across a lot "smarter" and i would have guessed a higher score then some of the other QBs on that list.

Also im really starting to like Tyrod Taylor after last night. Although his "numbers" suck:

??? - 41 -57.4%

If Taylor wasnt 6'1" i feel like he would be a top 5 prospect.[/quote]

After watching the show last night I was going to say the same about Tyrod, I am starting to like him despite his height.
I came away with a diffrent opinion in Locker, after watching the show I have lowered my estimation of his on field ability. Yes he is tough and a wonderful human being. Stayed in school and getting his degree. Everyone that knows him loves him. Yes yes yes,

What I did not like is: 1) he took off running way too much. 2) if he runs like that in the NFL his career will end prematurely.3) I was shocked at how bad his competition was in the Pac 10. When I saw the footage of the crucial final two games against 4-8 UCLA and Cal 5-7, I was shocked at how small, slow and unathletic the LB's and DB's for those two teams were. My High School Db's were bigger and stronger the the ones trying to tackle Locker on his runs that won the games. It was surprising to see so many of Lockers highlight plays were runs and not passes against inferior athletes.
I was always under the impression that Locker was a pocket Qb that could also run. The film showed the opposite, a running Qb that is an inconsistent passer. I understand Locker's teams was not very good, but I also have to question the skills of teams he did play last year. Other than the USC game. when they did play quality opponents, they got beat bad. 41-0 against Standford, 44-14 against Arizona, 53-16 against Oregon.

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[quote=Redskin Jim;794499]I read an ESPN the mag article where the writer says that when admiring a vaulted ceiling in a waiting room, someone asked Locker how high he thought it was. [B]Jake answered, "30 yards, about 60 feet". Another player there looked at him and said "dude, 30 yards is 90 feet". Lockers response was, "I don't know that stuff, I'm a history major[/B]"!!!
You said it Lotus...[/quote]

lol nice...Im kinda liking Locker. That def moves him up on my draft board

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[quote=Dirtbag59;794515]Vick was also an exception.[/quote]

Not hardly. Up until last year, Vick has been horrible as a QB.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/players/michaelvick/careerstats?id=VIC311467]Michael Vick: Career Stats at NFL.com[/url]

He had a grand total of one year where he threw for over 2,500 yards and had a QB rating over 78. (81)

I'm sorry, he's the DeAngelo Hall of the QB position. He's hyped up because fans see him avoiding tackles on ESPN and think that's the mark of a good QB.

Vick the running back on the other hand is very good. Too bad he plays the QB position.

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[quote=NC_Skins;794521]Not hardly. Up until last year, Vick has been horrible as a QB.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/players/michaelvick/careerstats?id=VIC311467]Michael Vick: Career Stats at NFL.com[/url]

He had a grand total of one year where he threw for over 2,500 yards and had a QB rating over 78. (81)

I'm sorry, he's the DeAngelo Hall of the QB position. He's hyped up because fans see him avoiding tackles on ESPN and think that's the mark of a good QB.

Vick the running back on the other hand is very good. Too bad he plays the QB position.[/quote]

I'm AWARE NC Skins! I've liked lived in Atlanta for like a good while now, ya know, like totally. I like know how much he used to suck.The point is he's found a way to......unsuck? Thereby qualifying him as an exception to the rule. Of course he had to see the light for our division rival. Thanks Vick, you're the gift that keeps giving.

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I haven't seen a lot of solid research on the predicitive value of the wonderlic. I know it used to have none, but it does seem like players who have performed poorly on the wonderlic are also being treated tougher by the NFL coaches when they get there (see: Young, Vince). So perhaps we're reaching a point where the wonderlic matters for quarterbacks.

I still don't buy it though. If the head coach is going to hold a bias against players who are...slower to pick up the offense, then fire the coach, not the player.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;794526]I'm AWARE NC Skins! I've liked lived in Atlanta for like a good while now, ya know, like totally. I like know how much he used to suck.The point is he's found a way to......unsuck? Thereby qualifying him as an exception to the rule. Of course he had to see the light for our division rival. Thanks Vick, you're the gift that keeps giving.[/quote]

I don't think Vick sucked, I think Vick was sometimes in the wrong system. The other times he failed to wait for the play to develope or simply decided to make the play on his own. In other words if Vick was more of a team player the team might have gotten farther but it seemed like he was a one man show. Other teams knew if they wanted to stop the Falcons all they had to do was stop or contain Vick.

Unfortunatly he's older and has become wiser and knows he can't do everything himself so he is now finally relying on teamates to help him out.

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[quote=freddyg12;794501]That seems a bit unfair. There are probably a lot of history majors/liberal arts students that are very bright, that don't know how many feet are in a yard at that age. The concern would be w/how well he can memorize numbers & variations of plays. Doesn't make him dumb, but he may have to work harder to memorize the playbook.[/quote]

unfair my ass. that's a question any junior high student should be able to answer without thinking.

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[quote=GTripp0012;794528]I haven't seen a lot of solid research on the predicitive value of the wonderlic. I know it used to have none, but it does seem like players who have performed poorly on the wonderlic are also being treated tougher by the NFL coaches when they get there (see: Young, Vince). So perhaps we're reaching a point where the wonderlic matters for quarterbacks.

I still don't buy it though. If the head coach is going to hold a bias against players who are...slower to pick up the offense, then fire the coach, not the player.[/quote]

I agree with you, however I think some QB's picked up by teams are picked up because of their ability and not looked at if they would fit the scheme the team runs.

and on another note how many HC's who pick up a QB build the scheme around the QB? I think when you see a really bad team go out and pick up a QB and the next year they are in the playoff hunt I start thinking the HC did a good job of changing up his scheme to what the QB does best. Then there is the HC that simply say the QB needs to learn the plays. I think the latter is ok for a team who already has a starting QB and picks one up in the draft to ride the bench a few yrs to learn the play calls.

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Stanzi 30 - 32 - 59.8%

Missed it by .02.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;794526]I'm AWARE NC Skins! I've liked lived in Atlanta for like a good while now, ya know, like totally. I like know how much he used to suck.The point is he's found a way to......unsuck? Thereby qualifying him as an exception to the rule. Of course he had to see the light for our division rival. Thanks Vick, you're the gift that keeps giving.[/quote]

Bottomline Vick has won where ever he has been, that tends not to show up in individual stats. Those Atlanta teams he won with were borderline horrible. Thats always the bullsh*t excuse...yeah vick sucks blah blah blah, he keeps showing up leading teams to the playoffs, weird?

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[quote=Chico23231;794572]Bottomline Vick has won where ever he has been, that tends not to show up in individual stats. Those Atlanta teams he won with were borderline horrible. Thats always the bullsh*t excuse...yeah vick sucks blah blah blah, he keeps showing up leading teams to the playoffs, weird?[/quote]

Great point. Winning does not always show up on the stat sheet. In fact some of the WR's and Qb's with incredible stats are on losing teams that have to pass all the time because they are always behind or are one dimensional.
The Denver Broncos of the last couple of years come to mind. If you throw the ball every down and lose, who cares if you have the #1 WR stats?

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[quote=Chico23231;794572]Bottomline Vick has won where ever he has been, that tends not to show up in individual stats. Those Atlanta teams he won with were borderline horrible. Thats always the bullsh*t excuse...yeah vick sucks blah blah blah, he keeps showing up leading teams to the playoffs, weird?[/quote]


You mean the same teams that led the league in rushing and had an above average defense? No, you're right. It was Vick and those ESPN highlights that carried them to glory...lol

It's funny, that basically the same team that Vick played with did so much better with Matt Ryan (11-5 in fact). Wonder why that is?

Child please.

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Randy Moss 12, Chris Johnson 10, Frank Gore 6? Has anyone taken a wonderlic? I'm far from a genius and I could still score in the 20's if I was blind drunk. It's amazing how stupid some of these guys are.

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[quote=GMScud;794595]Randy Moss 12, Chris Johnson 10, Frank Gore 6? Has anyone taken a wonderlic? I'm far from a genius and I could still score in the 20's if I was blind drunk. It's amazing how stupid some of these guys are.[/quote]

I took the Wonderlic. So did my dog, who scored a 12. :)