Keeping Our Future Draft Picks And Drafting Wisely
 

With our 2011 Draft Thread set to open in the next few hours speculation will begin to subside and we can start discussing what we have as opposed to what we hope to get.

It’s pretty much an NFL truism now that good franchises draft well and bad ones don’t. If you’re looking for a reason why the Redskins have perennially finished at the bottom of the division during Dan Snyder’s ownership, examining our organization’s abhorrent record in the draft is a good place to start. In fact, a good case can be made that the Redskins have been the worst drafting team in the entire league going at least as far back as the past decade.

ESPN the Magazine ran an interesting set of charts in its 2011 draft preview. One of them depicted a series of graphs demonstrating the quality of each team’s drafting as judged by the number and quality of the drafted players remaining on an NFL roster (or injured reserve) for week 17 of the 2010 season. The findings have to be frustrating for Redskins fans. Only 34 players drafted by the Redskins remained in the league in 2010, the lowest number for any franchise in the NFL. Of that 34, only 23 were with the team (or were placed on our injured reserve) for week 17 of last season. That number ties for the league low with Kansas City. There are only two other franchises in our sad orbit, the aforementioned Chiefs and Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Both teams have 36 players drafted still in the league. The Bucs have 25 remaining on their roster. After that, it’s not really close as every other team in the league has at least 40 players drafted still in the league. Yes, we’ve been outdrafted by the Lions. Even worse, the Redskins only drafted eight total linemen still in the league last season–by far the worst record in the NFL.

Here's to hoping as we go forward [starting in 2012] the Redskins can look foreward to a full complement of draft selections and draft wisely.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/box-seats/post/the-redskins-draft-possibilities-are-equally-terrifying/2010/12/20/AFxizv6E_blog.html]Redskins draft possibilities are equally terrifying - Box Seats - The Washington Post[/url]

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Not shocking at all. Makes me sick.

Only way to go is up though.

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[quote=drew54;796445]Not shocking at all. Makes me sick.

[B][SIZE=4]Only way to go is up though[/SIZE][/B].[/quote]
............

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We drafted decently last year.
I have a feeling we'll do well this year too
Heck...Vinny is gone and we supposedly have a real coach now, only way to go is up.

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I'll be inquisitive to see whether or not any future draft picks will be incooperated in any exchanges that transpire in this draft. I'm trusting that "the future is now" has become an aborted slogan, that we begin to rely more on youth than experience.

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I'm sure i might question the FO pick (if they don't find a team to trade back with) but I'm going to roll with it anyway they know what there doing. Only way to go is up though.

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Who's Wisley?

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I've been a fan since the early 70's and I don't think I have ever seen a draft like this one in that the Skin's are actually accumulating picks rather then trading them for higher picks or veterans(good ones during the George Allen era and not so good ones since). I hope this is a full culture change in Redskins park.

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[quote=TrustinGibbs;799080]I've been a fan since the early 70's and I don't think I have ever seen a draft like this one in that the Skin's are actually accumulating picks rather then trading them for higher picks or veterans(good ones during the George Allen era and not so good ones since). I hope this is a full culture change in Redskins park.[/quote]

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/redskins-take-lb-ryan-kerrigan-of-purdue-with-16th-overall-pick-in-nfl-draft/2011/04/28/AFs23x9E_story.html]Stockpile at Redskins Park: Washington keeps trading down, could end up taking 13 players - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=Dirtbag59;799076]Who's Wisley?[/quote]

Wisley is a small village in Surrey, England. It lies between Cobham and Woking. It is the home of the Royal Horticultural Society's Wisley Garden. The River Wey runs through the village.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;799076]Who's Wisley?[/quote]

3rd basemen for the Orioles.

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[quote=Longtimefan;799105]Wisley is a small village in Surrey, England. It lies between Cobham and Woking. It is the home of the Royal Horticultural Society's Wisley Garden. The River Wey runs through the village.[/quote]

You are wise LTF. Please answer me this now.
[quote]Patrick76Mac PatrickMcAteer
The panthers took cam Newton to try to match matt Ryan and the bucs and saints took [B]pass fishers[/B] to get to matt ryan THEY SCARED
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[/quote]
WTF is a Pass Fisher?

[QUOTE=Dirtbag59;799108]You are wise LTF. Please answer me this now.

WTF is a Pass Fisher?[/QUOTE]
I don't know that answer, but does anyone know the average air speed velocity of a swallow?

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[quote=Dirtbag59;799108]You are wise LTF. Please answer me this now.

WTF is a Pass Fisher?[/quote]

An error watching me trying to type and spell :)

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Pretty cool how we leveraged all those extra picks simply by moving from 10 to 16 in the first round to gain that extra 2nd to play with.

If nothing else Shanahan/Allen realize that this is a team bereft of young talent at virtually every position, and a huge influx of youth is needed. All these draft picks will certainly help.

The way we've handled things thus far in the draft at the very least shows us that there are intelligent adults running the show at Redskins Park these days.

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For those who were calling for a youth movement, here ya go

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[quote=Mattyk;799258]For those who were calling for a youth movement, here ya go[/quote]

Big time! Build this thing BA/MS!!!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;799110]I don't know that answer, but does anyone know the average air speed velocity of a swallow?[/quote]

An African or a European Swallow?

And, is it carrying a coconut?

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[quote=Mattyk;799258]For those who were calling for a youth movement, here ya go[/quote]

By the way I'm starting the veteran movement so everyone here in favor of getting veterans please come with me.

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Wrong thread.

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What the Redskins have done over the course of last three days is IMO the way you go about building your football team.

I think the evidence presented by the success of winning organizations demonstrates it has to be done this way. If you want to be an annual contender, you’ve got to build through the draft. There is no other way. So in order to do this, you have two choices. You can either hit on nearly all of your draft picks each year (a practical impossibility) or you can stockpile lots of picks each season. It makes intuitive sense that the Packers and Patriots would have so many successful picks when you see them reel in nine and 10 player classes just about every year. Picking four and five times each year like the Redskins do just doesn’t cut it. Couple this draft with our core group of players and two more drafts like this one, we could be well on our way to being a consistent contender. The makings of the last three days is a good start.

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[quote=Longtimefan;799950]What the Redskins have done over the course of last three days is IMO the way you go about building your football team.

I think the evidence presented by the success of winning organizations demonstrates it has to be done this way. If you want to be an annual contender, you’ve got to build through the draft. There is no other way. So in order to do this, you have two choices. You can either hit on nearly all of your draft picks each year (a practical impossibility) or you can stockpile lots of picks each season. It makes intuitive sense that the Packers and Patriots would have so many successful picks when you see them reel in nine and 10 player classes just about every year. Picking four and five times each year like the Redskins do just doesn’t cut it. Couple this draft with our core group of players and two more drafts like this one, we could be well on our way to being a consistent contender. The makings of the last three days is a good start.[/quote]



:food-smil

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I can't handle it, man! I'm jonesing! Let's trade next year's #1 for Marc Bulger!

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[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=6451752]2011 NFL draft: Ryan Mallett and the Patriots were among the losers on Day 2 - ESPN[/url]

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They did a good job this year. Much better than last year. Praise the Lord that Jacksonville committed to Garrard those many years ago.

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Washington (from Jacksonville) Ryan Kerrigan DE Purdue
What he brings: Kerrigan lacks elite size and athleticism, but when you put on the film he shows the instincts to find the ball and make plays. He'll play outside linebacker for the Redskins and will be at his best moving forward rather than playing in reverse. He has above-average first-step quickness and a wide array of pass-rush moves to provide an immediate upgrade to the pass rush opposite Redskins OLB Brian Orakpo.
Video analysis: Todd McShay Video
How he fits: He should fit nicely in Jim Haslett's 3-4 defense. The Redskins have really needed a bookend for their best pass-rusher, Brian Orakpo, who will now see less double teams. Right now, the other starter, Lorenzo Alexander, is probably a better run stopper than pass rusher and even though Kerrigan is not an elite edge rusher, he is a try-hard guy who will greatly improve the pressure this unit tries to create.



[URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/teams/_/team/was/year/2011"]Washington[/URL][URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27222"]Jarvis Jenkins[/URL][URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/position/_/id/32/draftyear/2011"]DT[/URL][URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/school/_/id/2131/draftyear/2011"]Clemson[/URL] [B]What he brings[/B]: Jenkins has excellent size and his greatest strength is defending the run, where he gets good hand placement and can shed blocks, but he needs a more violent punch. He flashes as a pass rusher but still needs development in the area. He could eventually become a pressure guy who hurries quarterbacks but does not bring them to the ground.
[B]How he fits[/B]: As we know, NT is critical in the 3-4 defense, which was a disaster in 2010. [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=3543"]Albert Haynesworth[/URL] will likely be gone, [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=4254"]Ma'ake Kemoeatu[/URL] has never really recovered from an injury and that leaves backup [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=8592"]Anthony Bryant[/URL] as a potential starter. Coordinator Jim Haslett can play a lot of different fronts and Jenkins can play on the nose, over the guard or even shaded, and with a group of DEs that are pedestrian at best, he could also settle at that position. The Redskins are quietly really strengthening their front seven.


[URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/teams/_/team/was/year/2011"]Washington[/URL] (from Miami)[URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27045"]Leonard Hankerson[/URL][URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/position/_/id/1/draftyear/2011"]WR[/URL][URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/school/_/id/2289/draftyear/2011"]Miami (FL)[/URL] [B]What he brings[/B]: Hankerson stood out at the Senior Bowl and has good size and hands. He has excellent top-end speed to stretch the field, and although he's not the most explosive short-to-intermediate route-runner, he is fluid for his size and can use his frame to shield the ball.
[B]How he fits[/B]: It is amazing that the Redskins could get through the 2010 season with what they had at the WR position. Their only go-to guy is [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2564"]Santana Moss[/URL] out of the slot, but he is small and might leave in free agency, and after that the cupboard is really thin. This unit might need two receivers and much-needed size. Hankerson will give them a great work ethic and a big target, and while he might not have elite speed, he certainly is an upgrade.


[URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/teams/_/team/was/year/2011"]Washington[/URL] (from Houston)[URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27043"]Roy Helu[/URL][URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/position/_/id/9/draftyear/2011"]RB[/URL][URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/school/_/id/2319/draftyear/2011"]Nebraska[/URL] [B]What he brings[/B]: Helu has a good combination of size and top-end speed, and he is a determined runner who can catch the ball as well. However, he lacks elite lateral quickness.
[B]How he fits[/B]: Mike Shanahan's zone-blocking, one-cut offense he needs a quality back and in 2010 he had a bunch of retreads but he couldn?t find a guy that he could count on. [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=11362"]Ryan Torain[/URL] isn't bad but he?s not elite and there is virtually no one behind him. Helu has excellent size and straight-line speed and he will fit this offense well as Torain's backup.

[URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/teams/_/team/was/year/2011"]Washington[/URL] (from Miami)[URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/26163"]Dejon Gomes[/URL][URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/position/_/id/93/draftyear/2011"]S[/URL][URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/school/_/id/2319/draftyear/2011"]Nebraska[/URL] Gomes is a SS-type player who excels against the run with good angles and technique as a tackler. He will have some limitations on the backend due to lack of fluidity and top-end speed.

[URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/teams/_/team/was/year/2011"]Washington[/URL] (from New Orleans)[URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/26090"]Niles Paul[/URL][URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/position/_/id/1/draftyear/2011"]WR[/URL][URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/school/_/id/2319/draftyear/2011"]Nebraska[/URL] Paul is a big, physical WR with a RB's build who can contribute as a receiver after the catch and bring added value on special teams a returner. However, he is a bit tight as a route-runner and is a bit inconsistent catching the ball outside of his frame.

[URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/teams/_/team/was/year/2011"]Washington[/URL][URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27252"]Evan Royster[/URL][URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/position/_/id/9/draftyear/2011"]RB[/URL][URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/school/_/id/2350/draftyear/2011"]Penn State[/URL] Royster is an efficient runner with some upside on passing downs but he doesn?t have the power or speed to develop into a team?s primary ball carrier.

[URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/teams/_/team/was/year/2011"]Washington[/URL] (from Houston)[URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/26435"]Aldrick Robinson[/URL][URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/position/_/id/1/draftyear/2011"]WR[/URL][URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/school/_/id/2405/draftyear/2011"]Southern Methodist[/URL] Robinson has very good ball skills and enough speed to contribute as a sub-package slot receiver in the NFL. He must, however, get bigger and stronger while also finding ways to contribute on special teams.

[URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/teams/_/team/was/year/2011"]Washington[/URL][URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/26171"]Brandyn Thompson[/URL][URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/position/_/id/92/draftyear/2011"]CB[/URL][URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/school/_/id/2088/draftyear/2011"]Boise State[/URL] Thompson lacks elite size and top-end speed, however, he has good ball skills, short-area quickness and aggression in run support.

[URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/teams/_/team/was/year/2011"]Washington[/URL] (from Miami)[URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/26323"]Maurice Hurt[/URL][URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/position/_/id/47/draftyear/2011"]OG[/URL][URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/school/_/id/2172/draftyear/2011"]Florida[/URL] Hurt is a limited athlete whose best fit will be at OG position at the next level. He has enough strength and tools to potentially add depth to an interior offensive line as a reserve.

[URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/teams/_/team/was/year/2011"]Washington[/URL] (from Indianapolis)[URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27056"]Markus White[/URL][URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/position/_/id/31/draftyear/2011"]DE[/URL][URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/school/_/id/2174/draftyear/2011"]Florida State[/URL] White is still developing at this point but has enough tools to potentially develop into an adequate reserve as an OLB in the Redskins' 3-4 scheme.

[URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/teams/_/team/was/year/2011"]Washington[/URL] (Compensatory)[URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/26170"]Christopher Neild[/URL][URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/position/_/id/32/draftyear/2011"]DT[/URL][URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/school/_/id/2476/draftyear/2011"]West Virginia[/URL] Neild has the tools and skill set to add depth to the Redskins' 3-4 scheme.

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So what future picks did we acquire?

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well we have oakland's 4th next year, plus our full compliment I believe. Really couldn't do too much more but clearly the FO is showing a willingness to gain picks.

I think the fact that we got 12 young bodies, even assuming only 6-8 end up staying, makes our future drafts even more better, and more ripe for picking up for future picks.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;799957][url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=6451752]2011 NFL draft: Ryan Mallett and the Patriots were among the losers on Day 2 - ESPN[/url][/quote]

And the band played on.....they have two 1st rounders next year along with Cleveland whose stockpiling to join the Luck sweepstakes.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;799981]So what future picks did we acquire?[/quote]

Not enough firepower in this draft to propell us into 2012 but, we do have a 4th rounder coming from the Raiders for Soup. If Shanahan and Allen can wheel and deal next years draft like they did this one, they'll turn that Soup pick into suasage.

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The key to success depends on whether the rookies can compete given a fair chance. Otherwise, it's all a waste.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;799957][url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=6451752]2011 NFL draft: Ryan Mallett and the Patriots were among the losers on Day 2 - ESPN[/url][/quote]

It's funny. I said that unless Mallet has the Pats or Jets line in front of him he won't be able to catch on quickly like other superstar rookie QB's. Either way I don't know how Mallet's career will turn out but I do feel that the Pats just got a third round pick that will net them a 1st or two 2's in the future. They will make him look good enough in preseason play and God forbid spot duty that Mallet will look like the second coming of.....someone.

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[quote=Mattyk;799258]For those who were calling for a youth movement, here ya go[/quote]

Im loving it and to me it wasnt one player, but the overall philosophy of the FO with this draft. It was 360, different approach we have never seen here.

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Not suprising but I wonder what the number was for the team with the most players still in the league? 25?

And most of this issue I feel is more coaching and development vs simply picking bad players. See this is the problem when you take BPA and they don't actually fit your scheme. Maybe we will start seeing a difference since MS clearly didn't pick BPA nor BPA at any position we had need for. Which is probably why half of us were scratching our heads on why certain players were picked.... because they fit the scheme better.