CJ28 Doesn't like COPS. Says "It's hard being young, black and rich"
 

[url=http://www.tmz.com/2011/05/04/nfl-running-back-tennesee-titans-chris-johnson-police-cops-orlando-police-department-florida-drugs-mtv/]NFL Star Chris Johnson -- Why Are The Cops Here? | TMZ.com[/url]

I think Chris was right about the "suspicion" of drugs being moved in and out of his condo, but sometimes athletes really need to stop this "their out to get me crap"

Johnson also tweeted "I should have gave them some doughnuts" :doh:

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I would be pissed too. People (likely black males) cant come and go from your house without the neighbors and the police thinking something illegal is going down?

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[quote=mlmpetert;801131]I would be pissed too. People (likely black males) cant come and go from your house without the neighbors and the police thinking something illegal is going down?[/quote]

I agree with that which is a joke, again it's 2011.

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If I'm speaking honestly, it depends on the neighborhood. I think it has nothing to do with race.

If I'm in a neighborhood with decent household income and I see dudes coming and going from a house all the time, I'm likely to think it's a guy and his buddies who love to play poker. White, black, or whatever.

But if I'm in a neighborhood whose median household income is $20K - 30K, and there are lots of men coming and going from the house all the time, yes I am likely to be suspicious (and guess what, I'm likely to be right).

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That said, Johnson lives in a nice area. So in this case he's right, this seems like profiling.

The question is, were people profiling him because he's black, or because they know he plays in the NFL?

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[quote=mlmpetert;801131]I would be pissed too. People (likely black males) cant come and go from your house without the neighbors and the police thinking something illegal is going down?[/quote]

really? so if some one moved down the street from you and you didn't know who they were but you saw a lot of people coming and going very frequently it wouldn't arrise any suspision in you?

it's not like the cops harrased him, they were just following a tip from what it sounds like, all they were doing is their job, investigating suspicious activity. when cops go out of their way to harass people it's one thing, but when something fishy is going on is it that bad of a thing they show up? there was nothing illegal going on so they left, i see no problem.

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I obviously don't know Chris personally. However from what I've seen of him he's probably one of the nicer guys in the league right now. Maybe it's unfair to judge him by his look but it does put him at risk for getting noticed in the wrong way. It's not black people, society in general just prefer for others to be clean cut and well dressed so when you go out with dreads, gold teeth, baggy clothes and people know little if anything about you, then you're going to get the wrong kind of attention.

I mean compare him to other black athletes like Jordan, Bo Jackson, Dwight Howard, and Tiger Woods to name a few who at the very least maintain a sort of GQ image.

Trust me if a white guy dressed like CJ28 he would be turning heads as well. Still I really do believe that Johnson is one of the better guys in the league that gives a couple of people the wrong idea based on how he presents himself.

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[quote=Schneed10;801135]If I'm speaking honestly, it depends on the neighborhood. I think it has nothing to do with race.

If I'm in a neighborhood with decent household income and I see dudes coming and going from a house all the time, I'm likely to think it's a guy and his buddies who love to play poker. White, black, or whatever.

But if I'm in a neighborhood whose median household income is $20K - 30K, and there are lots of men coming and going from the house all the time, yes I am likely to be suspicious (and guess what, I'm likely to be right).[/quote]

so if it's a nice neighborhood everybody is just having tea and crumpets but if it's the ghetto they are all smoking crack? get real

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complete typical racist tip by some scared rich white people. eff police and there bullsh*t.

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[quote=mlmdub130;801139]really? so if some one moved down the street from you and you didn't know who they were but you saw a lot of people coming and going very frequently it wouldn't arrise any suspision in you?

it's not like the cops harrased him, they were just following a tip from what it sounds like, all they were doing is their job, investigating suspicious activity. when cops go out of their way to harass people it's one thing, but when something fishy is going on is it that bad of a thing they show up? there was nothing illegal going on so they left, i see no problem.[/quote]


Okay ill say that the neighbors have a right to think or feel however they want, and if all they told the cops as the TMZ artical indicates is that a bunch high end cars were enter and leavig CJ's property the cops should have said so what. How should that be worthy of being suspicous to the police station?

The best thing my dad ever tought me: If police come to your door and you didnt call them dont answear. CJ should have done the same that day.

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^ that's a good point. Lol I never answered either

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[quote=mlmdub130;801141]so if it's a nice neighborhood everybody is just having tea and crumpets but if it's the ghetto they are all smoking crack? get real[/quote]

Frankly, yes.

Crime happens in lower income areas because the people don't make much money. If I'm making $150,000 a year there's a lot more to lose if I'm caught selling drugs. There's also less to gain; the person making $150,000 doesn't need drug money to make ends meet.

The people who turn to selling drugs are often lower-income and often uneducated.

There will always be exceptions, but if we're talking about the most accurate way to profile somebody, it's based on income levels, not race or gender.

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[quote=mlmpetert;801147]Okay ill say that the neighbors have a right to think or feel however they want, and if all they told the cops as the TMZ artical indicates is that a bunch high end cars were enter and leavig CJ's property the cops should have said so what. How should that be worthy of being suspicous to the police station?

The best thing my dad ever tought me: If police come to your door and you didnt call them dont answear. CJ should have done the same that day.[/quote]

The saying about police work is that 95% of the time it's mind numbing and monotonous while the other 5% of the time it's life threatening terror. That means that 95% of the time police officers have nothing to do but drive around and look for anything that resembles a crime in progress. So even when a tip as weak as the CJ28 tip comes in sometimes they'll follow it just to have something to do.

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[quote=Chico23231;801142]complete typical racist tip by some scared rich white people. eff police and there bullsh*t.[/quote]I'll just say profiling happens to white teenagers in suburban areas also. Could've been some scared rich hispanic, black, asian, or any other race that called in the police.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;801156]I'll just say profiling happens to white teenagers in suburban areas also. Could've been some scared rich hispanic, black, asian, or any other race that called in the police.[/quote]

Yeah, why are you guys profiling us whites as trigger happy police dialers :D I'm filing a report now to get this fixed.

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[quote=mlmpetert;801147]Okay ill say that the neighbors have a right to think or feel however they want, [B][U]and if all they told the cops as the TMZ artical indicates [/U][/B]is that a bunch high end cars were enter and leavig CJ's property the cops should have said so what. How should that be worthy of being suspicous to the police station?

The best thing my dad ever tought me: If police come to your door and you didnt call them dont answear. CJ should have done the same that day.[/quote]

if and tmz in the same sentence doesn't really sound realiable to me. all i'm saying is it just sounds like the cops were doing their job in this instance responding to a call recieved from a suspicious neighbor. is the neighbor right or wrong? there is your discussion, but as for the cops, sounds like they were just doing what they get paid to do

and as far as it being hard to be young, black and rich. i'd like to see cj spend a few days being young, white, broke, married, and starting a new bussiness. just get back to your mtv film crew and running for 2000 yards a year. i'd be willing to bet with a new cba comes all sorts of new limitations of what these guys put out through their twitter accounts

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I think he should try being poor again and living in the ghetto because when I lived in Southeast D.C. the cops wouldn't come at all when someone called 911. That should solve his problem.

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[quote=Schneed10;801137]That said, Johnson lives in a nice area. So in this case he's right, this seems like profiling.

The question is, were people profiling him because he's black, or because they know he plays in the NFL?[/quote]

Funny. I have co-workers all the time talking about how they have neighbors who will have people coming and going and only staying for 2 min. at a pop. What would that kinda activity make you believe is going on? I suggest calling the police.

I have co-workers who talk about never before seen cars coming down their road or culdisack. What do you tell them? don't worry about it. No I tell them if they see something suspicious call the police and if possible get a tag.

None of us were there and don't have any idea what exactly was going on other then to say the MTV crew was there and some (yes probably nosey neighbor) one called the cops in regards to suspicious activity.

So are the cops susposed to ignore the call and not check it out? Which calls are they susposed to ignore? What if you call about suspicous activity in your neighborhood? should they ignore it? especially if there are black males involved?

I know it looks like I'm calling you out Schneed10 but I'm not. Your rant was probably toward the neighbor, my rant is toward the people mad because the police were called out and were asked to do their job. The police found out he was doing nothing wrong and walked.

Better yet why couldn't he tweet something like "hey just had the 5-0 at my door because of nosey neighbors." Because there is no drama in that. It sounds better to say " the po po just banged on my door thinking we was selling drugs up in here."

It's all about how one looks at life and how they want to communicate.

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[quote=Schneed10;801150]Frankly, yes.

Crime happens in lower income areas because the people don't make much money. If I'm making $150,000 a year there's a lot more to lose if I'm caught selling drugs. There's also less to gain; the person making $150,000 doesn't need drug money to make ends meet.

The people who turn to selling drugs are often lower-income and often uneducated.

[B]There will always be exceptions, [U]but if we're talking about the most accurate way to profile somebody[/U], it's based on income levels, not race or gender[/B].[/quote]

you pretty much stated my point. you think poor people do drugs and rich people don't, gotcha.

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[quote=SBXVII;801171]Funny. I have co-workers all the time talking about how they have neighbors who will have people coming and going and only staying for 2 min. at a pop. What would that kinda activity make you believe is going on? I suggest calling the police.

I have co-workers who talk about never before seen cars coming down their road or culdisack. What do you tell them? don't worry about it. No I tell them if they see something suspicious call the police and if possible get a tag.

None of us were there and don't have any idea what exactly was going on other then to say the MTV crew was there and some (yes probably nosey neighbor) one called the cops in regards to suspicious activity.

So are the cops susposed to ignore the call and not check it out? Which calls are they susposed to ignore? What if you call about suspicous activity in your neighborhood? should they ignore it? [B]especially if there are black males involved?[/B]

I know it looks like I'm calling you out Schneed10 but I'm not. Your rant was probably toward the neighbor, my rant is toward the people mad because the police were called out and were asked to do their job. The police found out he was doing nothing wrong and walked.

Better yet why couldn't he tweet something like "hey just had the 5-0 at my door because of nosey neighbors." Because there is no drama in that. It sounds better to say " the po po just banged on my door thinking we was selling drugs up in here."

It's all about how one looks at life and how they want to communicate.[/quote]

it seems like you are in the right frame of mind, but dude...seriously...

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Sounds like Johnson fell victim to a stigma that has long been attached to young black men viewed as possibly conducting illegal behavior, high-end cars and constant traffic. The tipster had obviously staked claim to that stigma, suspected the possibility of wrongdoing and called the police. It happens all the time maybe just not where he lives.

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[quote=Chico23231;801142]complete typical racist tip by some scared rich white people. eff police and there bullsh*t.[/quote]

[quote=SBXVII;801171]

So are the cops susposed to ignore the call and not check it out? Which calls are they susposed to ignore? What if you call about suspicous activity in your neighborhood? should they ignore it? [B]especially if there are black males involved?
[/B] [/quote]
Let's be careful here people. I know we have a large number of members here who are both black and white. Please read your responses before you hit "post," and let's make sure we're not offending anyone. Remember the motto of this forum- for the INTELLIGENT fans. Let's act as such.

Discussions of race are delicate, and the language and verbage we use needs to follow suit.

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[quote=mlmdub130;801172]you pretty much stated my point. you think poor people do drugs and rich people don't, gotcha.[/quote]

I think what he's saying is poor people are more likely than rich people to SELL drugs.

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[quote=mlmdub130;801172]you pretty much stated my point. you think poor people do drugs and rich people don't, gotcha.[/quote]

No, old money use prescriptions and become wineo's. New money uses street drugs :D

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And the smart ones grow their own! ;)

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[quote=GMScud;801179]Let's be careful here people. I know we have a large number of members here who are both black and white. Please read your responses before you hit "post," and let's make sure we're not offending anyone. Remember the motto of this forum- for the INTELLIGENT fans. Let's act as such.

Discussions of race are delicate, and the language and verbage we use needs to follow suit.[/quote]

I agree...the fewer of these type topics the better. In reality they serve no worthwhile purpose as we all understand the circumstances associated with these type events.

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I would've told them what was going on and shut the door in their faces. Unless they had a search warrant they would not have stepped foot in my house.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;801162]I think he should try being poor again and living in the ghetto because when I lived in Southeast D.C. the cops wouldn't come at all when someone called 911. That should solve his problem.[/quote]

LOL. My GF lives over in southeast near RFK. It's a nice part but two blocks away there's always some shady shit going down. lol.

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[quote=SBXVII;801171]Funny. I have co-workers all the time talking about how they have neighbors who will have people coming and going and only staying for 2 min. at a pop. What would that kinda activity make you believe is going on? I suggest calling the police.

I have co-workers who talk about never before seen cars coming down their road or culdisack. What do you tell them? don't worry about it. No I tell them if they see something suspicious call the police and if possible get a tag.

None of us were there and don't have any idea what exactly was going on other then to say the MTV crew was there and some (yes probably nosey neighbor) one called the cops in regards to suspicious activity.

So are the cops susposed to ignore the call and not check it out? Which calls are they susposed to ignore? What if you call about suspicous activity in your neighborhood? should they ignore it? [B]especially if there are black males involved? [/B]

I know it looks like I'm calling you out Schneed10 but I'm not. Your rant was probably toward the neighbor, my rant is toward the people mad because the police were called out and were asked to do their job. The police found out he was doing nothing wrong and walked.

Better yet why couldn't he tweet something like "hey just had the 5-0 at my door because of nosey neighbors." Because there is no drama in that. It sounds better to say " the po po just banged on my door thinking we was selling drugs up in here."

It's all about how one looks at life and how they want to communicate.[/quote]

Just an FYI....Not all young black males get in trouble with the law. I guess if you see a black person in your hood you're running to your phone and bolting down your doors.

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People coming and going every two minute...WTF???
Probably just an innocent Speed Dating Ring??

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[quote=Schneed10;801137]That said, Johnson lives in a nice a
The question is, were people profiling him because he's black, or because they know he plays in the NFL?[/quote]

Or the accuser is a Colts fans... Doh!

Seriously though, the one problem I see besides the obvious profiling is IMO Police should have real allegations of illegalities or justifiable proof before going onto onto someones property and confronting someone to ask and if what the are doing is illegal. This is still America... right?
If the POLICE see something illegal even if it is something minor like loud music or public intoxication then go ahead and take care of business. But if a neighbor calls and says there are many high value cars going in and out of our neighborhood due the new neighbor, that should not be enough reason to confront the new neighbor. There is nothing illegal with that. Conduct an investigation, track the traffic, tap phone lines. That is fine. Do some actual police work before you knock on my door and point an accusatory finger at me. If at that point you find any evidence or hint that there might be something illegal going on then respond. But don't take the word of a stranger over another.

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[quote=GMScud;801182]I think what he's saying is poor people are more likely than rich people to SELL drugs.[/quote]

is selling as opposed to buying so much worse? i get what he is saying i just don't like when people paint with such a broad brush and like to live under assumptions. in my life i have meet a lot of good people and a lot of shitty people, i have also known and know plenty of people who used, use, and sell drugs. some of them aren't very wealthy and some of them are. some people (not accusing you) like to think the world is a certain way when the reality is every one has their issues not just kids/people from lower income families

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Good post GM.

I'm white and grew up in "family housing" which was 90% black, the cops were always in the neighborhood for some good reasons and for some "typical" reasons. Most of my friends are black and I can honestly say police do judge them a little differently, BUT whites, mexicans, Indians etc could also be profiled. If u want to live a "hood" lifestyle you will always have problems with cops no matter what race u are. I can tell u about the trailer park zones in MS also where drugs and selling of drugs is just as bad.

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There goes the neigborhood.

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Sorry folks didn't mean to start a damn race fight..

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[quote=mlmdub130;801204]is selling as opposed to buying so much worse? i get what he is saying i just don't like when people paint with such a broad brush and like to live under assumptions. in my life i have meet a lot of good people and a lot of shitty people, i have also known and know plenty of people who used, use, and sell drugs. some of them aren't very wealthy and some of them are. some people (not accusing you) like to think the world is a certain way when the reality is every one has their issues not just kids/people from lower income families[/quote]

I never said selling drugs was better or worse than buying them. I don't think Schneed is making any absolute statements like wealthy people would NEVER sell drugs. Certainly there are plenty of people in all income brackets that have issues with drugs- being it selling or using.

But I think it's a very logical conclusion to say that the likelihood of a poor person selling drugs (regardless of race) is much higher than a rich person. It's kind of a no-brainer.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;801205]Good post GM.

I'm white and grew up in "family housing" which was 90% black, the cops were always in the neighborhood for some good reasons and for some "typical" reasons. Most of my friends are black and I can honestly say police do judge them a little differently, BUT whites, mexicans, Indians etc could also be profiled. If u want to live a "hood" lifestyle you will always have problems with cops no matter what race u are. I can tell u about the trailer park zones in MS also where drugs and selling of drugs is just as bad.[/quote]

Just a friendly FYI - Mexican is not a race. Not every Hispanic is from Mexico. Not that most Hispanics really care, but it makes you look uneducated. Kind of like when Sarah Palin thought Africa was a country. HA!

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[quote=skinsfaninok;801207]Sorry folks didn't mean to start a damn race fight..[/quote]

not much of a fight just disscssion and it's this or ramble on about the offesive line, f-ing lockout!!! damn you!!!

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[quote=GMScud;801209]I never said selling drugs was better or worse than buying them. I don't think Schneed is making any absolute statements like wealthy people would NEVER sell drugs. Certainly there are plenty of people in all income brackets that have issues with drugs- being it selling or using.

But I think it's a very logical conclusion to say that the likelihood of a poor person selling drugs (regardless of race) is much higher than a rich person. It's kind of a no-brainer.[/quote]

now we are talking about who is selling and buying, all i'm saying is just because you live in a fancy neighborhood and eveyone drives bmw's doens't mean they aren't up to no good.

what was intially said was:
[quote]If I'm speaking honestly, it depends on the neighborhood. I think it has nothing to do with race.

If I'm in a neighborhood with decent household income and I see dudes coming and going from a house all the time, I'm likely to think it's a guy and his buddies who love to play poker. White, black, or whatever.

But if I'm in a neighborhood whose median household income is $20K - 30K, and there are lots of men coming and going from the house all the time, yes I am likely to be suspicious (and guess what, I'm likely to be right).
[/quote]

and personally i think that statement is very iggnorant, regardless of race or nationality, he is saying people with money get together play poker, drink brandy, and smoke cigars, while poeple with no money are involed in illegal activities. imo i think that is a old fashioned way of thinking, but it's just that, my opinion.

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Sorry defense wins.. I meant Hispanic