2011 Season & 2012 Draft
 

Didn't know where to put this so I started a new thread IMO it is a good read.

[url=http://realredskins.com/2011/05/will-the-redskins-draft-first-in-2012/]Will the Washington Redskins draft first in 2012? | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]

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Finally some sense talking. 8 opponents with QB issues, a coach that has never won less then 6 games, and a much improved defense. Besides it's not like the bar for QB play has been set very high.

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This should be read before people make there predictions (W&L) for the 2011 season.

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I don't know how many teams are worse off right now than the Redskins are in the NFC, and I think that softens the impact of the weak schedule some. If the Redskins played the ten worst teams in the league in ten consecutive weeks, and we replayed this season 100 times, the Redskins would probably average four or five wins a season. Then you add in the NFC East and top of the AFC East and the Redskins would be fortunate to take two out of eight games against them.

So what we're looking at is a four to six win season in 2011, but one where the Redskins probably will not be in contention for the first overall pick because of the weakness of the schedule. Truth be told though, the four weakest rosters in the NFC all happened to finish last place in 2010 (Redskins, Panthers, Vikings, Cardinals). I think the Redskins are probably ahead of the Panthers and Cardinals right now, and just behind the Vikings and Seahawks as the 14th best team in the NFC.

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I do think this is a year where a 4 win team (especially one with as weak a schedule as the Redskins) could get the first overall pick, but even that depends on playing a 16 game schedule.

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Next year I think the Browns, Bengals, and Bills will all be contenders for the top pick. Possibly the Raiders as well. Dolphins, 49ers, and Chiefs are my dark horse candidates.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;802917]Next year I think the Browns, Bengals, and Bills will all be contenders for the top pick. Possibly the Raiders as well. Dolphins, 49ers, and Chiefs are my dark horse candidates.[/quote]The Bills can really throw the football as a team and begin the 2011 season like this:

@ Kansas City
vs Oakland
vs New England
@ Bengals
vs Philadelphia
@ Giants
Bye
vs Redskins (Toronto)

They can throw for 350, easy, on the first three teams they play, and are simply a better team right now than the Bengals. After that, who knows? They're not as good as Philadelphia and New York, but if they get some pressure up the middle on Michael Vick...and then the bye week, followed by the Redskins in Canada. That's a team that could begin with 5 wins right off the bat if they take care of business.

Maybe the best indicator yet that the NFL won't start its season on time: something has to keep the Bills down. And a lockout may be just the thing.

Kansas City's big issue is that Jim Zorn has to be able to step right in for Charlie Weis and not lose anything in terms of an offense that has a bunch of factors of regression working against it. With Todd Haley calling the plays. And Matt Cassel running them. I'm just not seeing it.

I don't know if I buy Cleveland as a playoff team just yet, but they'll do better than 5 wins this upcoming season.

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Rich Tandler must be bored.
Or he's just another Luck fan boi.

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[quote=GTripp0012;802920]The Bills can really throw the football as a team and begin the 2011 season like this:

@ Kansas City
vs Oakland
vs New England
@ Bengals
vs Philadelphia
@ Giants
Bye
vs Redskins (Toronto)

They can throw for 350, easy, on the first three teams they play, and are simply a better team right now than the Bengals. After that, who knows? They're not as good as Philadelphia and New York, but if they get some pressure up the middle on Michael Vick...and then the bye week, followed by the Redskins in Canada. That's a team that could begin with 5 wins right off the bat if they take care of business.

Maybe the best indicator yet that the NFL won't start its season on time: something has to keep the Bills down. And a lockout may be just the thing.

[B]Kansas City's big issue is that Jim Zorn has to be able to step right in for Charlie Weis and not lose anything in terms of an offense that has a bunch of factors of regression working against it. With Todd Haley calling the plays. And Matt Cassel running them. I'm just not seeing it.[/B]

I don't know if I buy Cleveland as a playoff team just yet, but they'll do better than 5 wins this upcoming season.[/quote]

That's why they're a dark horse. That team that goes into the year coming off a winning season, thats expected to improve then suddenly falls flat on its face. I don't think it's to likely but I could just as easily picture us going into the draft next year seeing KC with a high pick saying "wow, didn't expect them to be picking so high."

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[quote=Alvin Walton;802921]Rich Tandler must be bored.
Or he's just another Luck fan boi.[/quote]


The sweepstakes will begin mid October. It seems almost unreal we're talking about the 2012 draft possibilities and we haven't yet played a down in 2011. I'll be rooting for John Beck [should he emerge as our starting QB] and hope he can produce a 500 or better season.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;802917]Next year I think the Browns, Bengals, and Bills will all be contenders for the top pick. Possibly the Raiders as well. Dolphins, 49ers, and Chiefs are my dark horse candidates.[/quote]

No way Bengals and how is KC A dark horse? SF has no QB so I don't see them much better than us

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Yea question: if the panthers have the number one pick and dont want to draft another quarter back, would you trade to that spot for luck if we are in a similar draft spot?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;802926]No way Bengals and how is KC A dark horse? SF has no QB so I don't see them much better than us[/quote]

Because they struggled the year before and Matt Cassel, well I just feel like he has the potential to regress.

Bengals how can they not? Look how bad they were this past year with Palmer and Ochocinco and all they've really done is replace those two with younger versions of their two star players. Their running back is a bruiser and vunerable to injury.

they play in the AFC North which is also why I have the Browns in the running. Plus Peyton Hillis is infected with the Madden Curse.

San Francisco I put up there because they have a college coach with no known QB. If they're going to compete Harbraugh needs to prove he's an offensive guru sooner rather then later. Plus their number one weapon Gore is a candidate to go down to injury.

Actually add the Bronco's. They have a barely 50% passer, no running game, and are in the process of rebuilding the defense.

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I totally agree with him but I still think the Skins will be in contention for Luck. How? I'm guessing that if MS wants him that bad then next years draft (2012) we will see the team throwing a ton of pick away to move up and get him.

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[quote=GTripp0012;802915]I don't know how many teams are worse off right now than the Redskins are in the NFC, and I think that softens the impact of the weak schedule some. If the Redskins played the ten worst teams in the league in ten consecutive weeks, and we replayed this season 100 times, the Redskins would probably average four or five wins a season. Then you add in the NFC East and top of the AFC East and the Redskins would be fortunate to take two out of eight games against them.

So what we're looking at is a four to six win season in 2011, but one where the Redskins probably will not be in contention for the first overall pick because of the weakness of the schedule. Truth be told though, the four weakest rosters in the NFC all happened to finish last place in 2010 (Redskins, Panthers, Vikings, Cardinals). I think the Redskins are probably ahead of the Panthers and Cardinals right now, and just behind the Vikings and Seahawks as the 14th best team in the NFC.[/quote]

surprised at the mention of the vikings. I know they've got some age in some positions, but still a talented team.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;802930]Because they struggled the year before and Matt Cassel, well I just feel like he has the potential to regress.

Bengals how can they not? Look how bad they were this past year with Palmer and Ochocinco and all they've really done is replace those two with younger versions of their two star players. Their running back is a bruiser and vunerable to injury.

they play in the AFC North which is also why I have the Browns in the running. Plus Peyton Hillis is infected with the Madden Curse.

San Francisco I put up there because they have a college coach with no known QB. If they're going to compete Harbraugh needs to prove he's an offensive guru sooner rather then later. Plus their number one weapon Gore is a candidate to go down to injury.

Actually add the Bronco's. They have a barely 50% passer, no running game, and are in the process of rebuilding the defense.[/quote]


OH crap LOL I thought u just said CONTENDER my bad.. Yeah totally agree with the top pick

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If Colt McCoy doesn't pan out CLE has the ammo to pull the trigger on Luck too. They got hellva picks from that Julio trade.

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Andrew Luck will be a Dallas Cowboy.

/nuttery

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;802956]Andrew Luck will be a Dallas Cowboy.

/nuttery[/quote]

That's crazy enough to become reality.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;803080]That's crazy enough to become reality.[/quote]
Not as crazy as you might think. ehehehe
Rob Ryan effect. Romo playing insecure due to the collarbone. Potential injuries on the O-line. Newman losing a step. Felix Jones getting injured.
It can happen.

Their WR corp is the only truly "sure" thing they can count on to have them avoid a disastrous season.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;803212]Not as crazy as you might think. ehehehe
Rob Ryan effect. Romo playing insecure due to the collarbone. Potential injuries on the O-line. Newman losing a step. Felix Jones getting injured.
It can happen.

Their WR corp is the only truly "sure" thing they can count on to have them avoid a disastrous season.[/quote]

Sorry, never heard of the Rob Ryan effect. I thought he was a good defensive coordinator, please tell me he has some curse like Norville!! I was worried that Dallas picked his as their cord.

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Random question for SS: has Snyder started searching for a new coach?

LaVar mentioned on his show today that he had reputable sources inside redskins park that snyder is so dissatisfied with shanahan that he has already started to talk to coaches... Any truth to that? If true, I'm going to be so pissed!

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[quote=atomicnixon;803256]Sorry, never heard of the Rob Ryan effect. I thought he was a good defensive coordinator, please tell me he has some curse like Norville!! I was worried that Dallas picked his as their cord.[/quote]

We'll see if it was mainly a lack of talent that did him in or if he played a significant role in the performances of his past Ds. I'm banking on the latter. hehehe

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[quote=mbedner3420;803303]Random question for SS: has Snyder started searching for a new coach?

LaVar mentioned on his show today that he had reputable sources inside redskins park that snyder is so dissatisfied with shanahan that he has already started to talk to coaches... Any truth to that? If true, I'm going to be so pissed![/quote]

Apparently he asked Pat Bowen about Shanahan right in front of Zorn during the 2009 offseason so I guess it wouldn't be past him. Part of me highly doubts this is true, as we all know Lavar has a case of sour grapes, but if it is then it proves Snyder has learned absolutely nothing. Besides what reputable financially secure coach is going to coach the Redskins if Shanahan is fired prematurely. His transformation into a young-Old Al Davis would be virtually complete at that point.

For God's sake it was his fault that he signed Haynesworth to a $40 or $60 million contract and even a man with poor vision could see that McNabb was incapable of getting the job done (see outperformed by Rex Grossman).

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[quote=mbedner3420;803303]Random question for SS: has Snyder started searching for a new coach?

LaVar mentioned on his show today that he had reputable sources inside redskins park that snyder is so dissatisfied with shanahan that he has already started to talk to coaches... Any truth to that? If true, I'm going to be so pissed![/quote]

I don't know why he would say that.

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MAN...that's crazy....even for a Skins board

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;803212]Not as crazy as you might think. ehehehe
Rob Ryan effect. Romo playing insecure due to the collarbone. Potential injuries on the O-line. Newman losing a step. Felix Jones getting injured.
It can happen.

Their WR corp is the only truly "sure" thing they can count on to have them avoid a disastrous season.[/quote]

also, we don't know if there will be a draft & if there is if it will be the same format. If there's a lottery then any losing team could win the 1st pick.

I wouldn't put it past Snyder & JJ to start pulling out all the stops to trade up for Luck next year as well.

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Honestly I think it is silly to try to predict the performance of any team given that we are not going to have an offseason for teams to prepare.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;803212]Not as crazy as you might think. ehehehe
Rob Ryan effect. Romo playing insecure due to the collarbone. Potential injuries on the O-line. Newman losing a step. Felix Jones getting injured.
It can happen.

Their WR corp is the only truly "sure" thing they can count on to have them avoid a disastrous season.[/quote]
You must have a crystal ball , Romo , Jones and Newman are all hurt 2 weeks into the season .... brilliant !!!!!

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There will be at least 5 QB that could go on the 1st round next year, the skins will pick one of them:

Luck-Stanford
Foles-Arizona
Moore- Boise State
Barkley-USC
Jones-Oaklahoma

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;838304]There will be at least 5 QB that could go on the 1st round next year, the skins will pick one of them:

Luck-Stanford
Foles-Arizona
Moore- Boise State
Barkley-USC
Jones-Oaklahoma[/quote]

kellen moore would be a great fit for this offense i think, but i dont think he goes in the first round due to questions about his arm strength.

landry jones, barkley, and luck are going to be very high picks, maybe all in the top 10. nick foles, im really not sold on him at all. i see him being a bust.

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[quote=Big C;838306]kellen moore would be a great fit for this offense i think, but i dont think he goes in the first round due to questions about his arm strength.

landry jones, barkley, and luck are going to be very high picks, maybe all in the top 10. nick foles, im really not sold on him at all. i see him being a bust.[/quote]

I'm sure this is why Shanahan passed on a QB this year, knowing that there will be more talent available next year.

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robert griffin III from baylor would be a good fit imo if he leaves early.

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Draft talk already? lil early

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[quote=Big C;838306]kellen moore would be a great fit for this offense i think, but i dont think he goes in the first round due to questions about his arm strength.

landry jones, barkley, and luck are going to be very high picks, maybe all in the top 10. nick foles, im really not sold on him at all. i see him being a bust.[/quote]

It's the same story every year. The next years draft is going to be the greatest QB draft ever, then suddenly draft day comes and it's all about next years group.

Landry Jones - Would have to win the National Championship to consider coming out. He's 50-50. Saw Bradford go number 1 despite missing most of his senior season so he's probably not to worried about dropping due to injury.

Matt Barkley - Opted not to transfer from USC after the scandal. Next year the bowl ban is lifted, I seriously doubt he leaves for the NFL as soon as USC becomes bowl eligible, and who knows, this time next year he could be playing under Pete Carroll again. Oh yeah, family's rich (played at a High School that cost over $40k to attend for four years). 99% chance he stays. People need to realize Barkley is very loyal to USC. Based on where he was born and where he played high school ball he's probably been a life long fan.

Now if Nick Folles continues throwing for 70%+ with his physical tools and the other two underclassmen stay like I expect them to then I could see Folles being a top 10 pick.

When it comes down to it though I fully expect to see the top of the class read out as Luck, Folles, and Moore. Not a bad class but for most teams thats really a two player class.

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Ok Moore is also really small so that knocks his draft stock but reminds me of Schaub and his accuracy. Barkley won't come out... almost positive i agree 50/50 with Jones

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[quote=musicmaster45;838634]Ok Moore is also really small so that knocks his draft stock but reminds me of Schaub and his accuracy. Barkley won't come out... almost positive i agree 50/50 with Jones[/quote]

I still can't get a read on where Moore is going to get drafted. If I was to play it safe though I would say he seems similar to Andy Dalton in terms of draft stock, but then again Andy Dalton's success in Cincy might convince scouts to bump those second tier prospects to the late first round. Maybe even the mid first round.

NFP describes Moore like this
[url=http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Is-Kellen-Moore-even-worth-a-draft-pick.html]Is Kellen Moore even worth a draft pick? | National Football Post[/url]
[quote]But, when discussing his potential in the NFL, in my mind it’s tough to give a high grade to a guy who is 5115 (5-feet and 11.5-inches) and doesn’t have the arm strength needed to make all the throws and drive the football down the field. Now to his credit he does do a nice job anticipating routes, staying in proper rhythm in the pass game and has a natural feel when the football needs to come out. Plus, his pocket awareness is very good as he’s subtle with his movements buying time in the pocket, maintains balance and transfers his weight well through the throw when he has time.
[/quote]

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It's time to add Kirk Cousins to the group of first round quarterbacks as well.

It's hard to say if Barkley or Jones will come out (more confident that Jones will than Barkley), but this is such a loaded class of QBs. It's been a long time since we've seen five legit first rounders in a class.

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Too early to tell what we will need most , if I were to guess I would like to see MLB Burfict ( ASU ) or that big ( NT) Ta Amu ( Washington ) , or a top OL prospect . As far as qb Moore ( Boise St. ) , Very impressed everytime I watch him , maybe he falls into rd 2 ? We have Oaklands 4th rd and Minnesota's 6th so we should have a nice draft .

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[quote=mbedner3420;803303]Random question for SS: has Snyder started searching for a new coach?

LaVar mentioned on his show today that he had reputable sources inside redskins park that snyder is so dissatisfied with shanahan that he has already started to talk to coaches... Any truth to that? If true, I'm going to be so pissed![/quote]

What is LaVar going to talk about if the skins start to win? I guess he'll just start making stuff up.

I also highly doubt he has any sources in redskins park. He didn't exactly leave on good terms, all he does is bash the ownership/organization, and he undeserving claims to be one the the great redskins of the modern era.