If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him.
 

This has been talked about on ESPN that he might have to bail out of Ohio. I'd offer a 4th round pick, he would be a nice 3yr project IMO. Could we put up a Yes, NO, Maybe Vote. Higher ups please help me out.

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I'm going to sound like I'm being cool but yes, I would place a late round bid for him. He has all the physical tools (Size, mobility, arm strength). He also put up great numbers in a pro style offense (27 TD's, 11 Int's 65%) which to me carry more weight then the type of season Newton had in a Spread offense. On top of that there won't be a fuss if he doesn't win the starting job right away, like there would be with any free agent we might bring in (Bulger, Young, Smith, etc).

The reason for the late round bid is due to the fact that while I like him, he wouldn't necessarily be my first choice for next year as he only has one full year of being accurate, and he does have character issues. Also part of me thinks he has a slow release but I might have to go back and check on that, usually strong armed QB's have slow releases and my memory of Pryor says he's one of those types of QB's.

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I assume that he will garner a third round bid.

Not a terrible price to take a gamble because of his position.

If you're Vinny Cerrato.

A player that lives like the rules don't apply to him and to top it off he is inconsistent on the field.

Buyer beware.

That being said he really does have tools and talent.

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First time I heard of him it was 3 or 4 years ago with Wilbon rightfully pointing out that his "where I'm going to college" press conference was ridiculous. Since then I've been skeptical of him from a character standpoint, and up until recently from a production standpoint. Tatoo's in many cases are stupid and even dumber due to the fact that it virtually ruined a national title team, however if thats all the punishment outweighs the crime.

Anyway no doubting the fact that the man has talent. It's just that with these supplemental drafts theres usually only one player. Jarmon was good but how would he have really faired in a draft where he was compared to 15-20 other defensvie ends in an April draft? In summoning my inner Collin Cowherd it's like one decent/average looking girl in a room with 32 guys or vice versa. Thats what the supplemental draft is to me.

You never know how you really feel about the player because that player is usually the only available option at that point in time.

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I defended Pryor when the "Tattoo Five" story first broke. Saying "what's wrong with selling your own property?". Now I know.... It cost a great coach his job, integrity and legacy. I don't lay all of this at Pryors feet, there's plenty of blame to go around. That being said...Dirt pointed out his attributes better than I can. A huge piece of humble pie could have brought him back to Earth. Shanahan has already tried and failed on a Buckeye castoff, I doubt he rolls the dice again.

re: If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him.
 

Nope

re: If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him.
 

So you'd give up a probable starter (4th: Roy Helu (RB) Nebraska) for a QB who'll never be a successful QB in the NFL? Vinny? Is that you?




When will you people get it out of your heads. The following QBs do not translate well to the NFL.

Tyrelle Pryor
Pat White
Antwaan Randle El
Marcus Vick
Tyrod Taylor
Eric Crouch
Armanti Edwards
Cam Newton
Scott Frost


Two that are still debatable...Vince Young and Mike Vick too. Beyond this past year, Vick hasn't done diddly squat as a QB. I'll need to see some consecutive years of serious production at the QB stats (not running) to change my mind.


Sure these guys were awesome QBs and played well at their level, but this isn't college.

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Re: If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him.
 

[quote=NC_Skins;805059]So you'd give up a probable starter (4th: Roy Helu (RB) Nebraska) for a QB who'll never be a successful QB in the NFL? Vinny? Is that you?




When will you people get it out of your heads. The following QBs do not translate well to the NFL.

Tyrelle Pryor
Pat White
Antwaan Randle El
Marcus Vick
Tyrod Taylor
Eric Crouch
Armanti Edwards
Cam Newton
Scott Frost


Two that are still debatable...Vince Young and Mike Vick too. Beyond this past year, Vick hasn't done diddly squat as a QB. I'll need to see some consecutive years of serious production at the QB stats (not running) to change my mind.


Sure these guys were awesome QBs and played well at their level, but this isn't college.[/quote]

Yes but unlike a lot of the QB's you listed Pryor has been successful in a pro style offense. Also Cam Newton and Tyrod Taylor haven't even taken a snap in the NFL.

Re: If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him.
 

Higher ups thankyou.

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We have two 4th round picks next year so I would take a chance on him, we have the right FO to help us get more picks IMO.

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4th round would be a steal. His character is as questionable as Cam or Mallet, but I think his play would be ideal for Shanny. If the Skins feel like he would be a good fit, id support a 3rd round pick and get him in learning the system. It would be a much better option than picking up the undrafted garbage QBs left.

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I'm going 5th or 6th, in part because if I remember correctly our 5th or 6th carries more weight then most teams (yeah us). He's more of a nice to have in my book, rather then "this is the guy we need to get." If that was the case I would ask the team to use a 2nd or 3rd, which I don't mind saying since Vinny is now gone and now dumb ideas posted on message boards are no longer used in the teams front office.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;805062]Yes but unlike a lot of the QB's you listed Pryor has been successful in a pro style offense. [/quote]

Oh, you mean like this guy?

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Smith#Career_statistics]Troy Smith - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]


I think we've seen how that all works out. I'd dare say they were pretty much identical players.

Re: If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him.
 

I would pass on Pryor. Also I think it is proper to have all of our selections available when entering next year's draft.

We made a lot of excellent selections this year and I think we can add to this year's value by having a full complement of picks next year.

Re: If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him.
 

[quote=NC_Skins;805071]Oh, you mean like this guy?

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Smith#Career_statistics]Troy Smith - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]


I think we've seen how that all works out. I'd dare say they were pretty much identical players.[/quote]

Yes but Troy Smith didn't have a first or second round grade. Scouts knew he was going to be a late round pick. The only time he was mentioned in the first round was when people who only watch college football, and in turn have little idea what pro scouts look for, started suggesting that he should be a first round pick shortly after he won the Heisman.

Pryor even with his average production has been projected as a first round pick for the last two years.

And the funny thing is I'm not even that sure of him, but he's certainly a more promising pro then Troy Smith. Still I think it was unfair that you cast Newton aside before he even took an NFL snap. Appologize to Newton and his family. Not Taylor though, he's to short, short people suck.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;805077]Pryor even with his average production has been projected as a first round pick for the last two years. [/quote]

LOL. WHAT? I've never heard of Pryor being remotely discussed as such. Links? I assure you, if he were projected that high, he would have came out this year after playing the bowl game.


[quote=Dirtbag59;805077]Appologize to Newton and his family. Not Taylor though, he's to short, short people suck.[/quote]

Sure, but it'll cost them. I'd say his "fee" to play for Auburn will cover it.

Re: If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him.
 

id pass on pryor as well. however, i think some team would put in a 2nd or 3rd round pick for him.

Re: If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him.
 

[quote=NC_Skins;805079]LOL. WHAT? I've never heard of Pryor being remotely discussed as such. Links? I assure you, if he were projected that high, he would have came out this year after playing the bowl game.
[/quote]

Don't you remember? Last year before we traded for McNabb the 2011 class was suppose to be great because then we could possibly get Locker, Pryor, Luck, or Mallet. Those were the four guys. Walter Football also listed Pryor as a First Round pick and USA Today listed him among the top juniors that could declare for the next draft in 2010 along with Andrew Luck.

Edit: Never mind you got here in Late '10.

Re: If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him.
 

..no!

Re: If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him.
 

Well from what i hear he is a major project. I'd take him in the 5th round. Being only 17 i have never seen a supplemental draft so i have no idea how it works. In the first round i hope the line backer from boston college comes to us.

Re: If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him.
 

[quote=musicmaster45;805094]Well from what i hear he is a major project. I'd take him in the 5th round. Being only 17 i have never seen a supplemental draft so i have no idea how it works. In the first round i hope the line backer from boston college comes to us.[/quote]

What does being only 17 have to do with it? These aren't cicadas

Re: If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him.
 

I haven't watched football long enough to have seen one

Re: If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him.
 

I said "No" to the poll, but if the price is right I'd give him a shot. I'd put a 5th rounder out there for him to give him a shot, but that's it.

Re: If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him.
 

[quote=musicmaster45;805097]I haven't watched football long enough to have seen one[/quote]

Well it's not televised so no one's really seen one. Are you curious as to how it works?

Re: If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him.
 

Nah.. If we go supplemental on one of those OSU kids (assuming they all come out) is the tackle who is supposed to be a late 1st, mid 2nd round grade. What makes the supplemental draft attractive now is without the benefit of OTAs all rookies will be on an even plane. It's really like getting an extra value pick from the 2011 draft rather than giving up a 2012 pick.

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No way!! He might be athletic, but is a very immature QB that makes very poor decisions on and off the field. Beck or Grossman would be a lot better than this guy. A wasted pick in my opinion.

Re: If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him.
 

Kinda, and yea we could load up on rookies this year and be much closer to having all the pieces

Re: If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him.
 

[quote=SmootSmack;805096]What does being only 17 have to do with it? These aren't cicadas[/quote]


:lol:

Hahahahahahahahaha!

Re: If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him.
 

It amazes me to hear people talk about college qb's. It has become so similar and as polarizing as politics. If a Qb does not have certain labels or buzz words like tall, white kid, pocket passer, pro offense experience then to some it is a waste. That is very narrow minded.
Nearly all college Qb's are not ready for the NLF when they first come out, even the ones that meet these labels.
If your NFL team chooses to rely on a rookie qb to start from day one, your team is doing something seriously wrong with player personnel. It is not an unexperienced and unprepared rookie Qb's fault if he fails, it is the teams FO and coaching staff for putting him in that position.
The question is not do you want Pryor as our starting qb next year. Of course not. The question should be, would you spend a late round pick on a raw, physically talented, project player that will take at least a couple of years to develop. If he ever develops. Someone earlier mentioned RB Royster, well he is no lock either to make it in the NFL. He is a gamble as well. Rb is just an easier position to transition from college to NFL compared to QB, especially on a team that was devoid of RB's as ours was before this draft.

Re: If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him.
 

[quote=Defensewins;805108]It amazes me to hear people talk about college qb's. It has become so similar and as polarizing as politics. If a Qb does not have certain labels or buzz words like tall, white kid, pocket passer, pro offense experience then to some it is a waste. That is very narrow minded.
Nearly all college Qb's are not ready for the NLF when they first come out, even the ones that meet these labels. [/quote]

It's nothing narrow minded about it. It's about recognizing what is good in college and works there, doesn't in the NFL. Big arm, height, mobility, intelligence, accuracy, character all play a part in it.


Also, the very guy being investigated for improper use of cars decides to roll up Monday to a team only meeting in this?

[IMG]http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0531/ncf_a_tpryts_600.jpg[/IMG]

I don't need to see a Wonderlic test to know this guy is a idiot. He's pretty much sending a message that yeah I did this shit and got my coach fired but so what!! You want that leading your pro team? Good thing many of you don't run this team.

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wouldn't touch this guy. he's simply not an accurate enough passer for the pro game. imo that's something you're born with. to his credit he's gotten better but stlll not good enough. i really wouldn't judge the guy on the off the field stuff. these guys are 18-21 year olds and people forget that. these guys are going to make mistakes.

Re: If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him.
 

[quote=skinsfan69;805128] i really wouldn't judge the guy on the off the field stuff. these guys are 18-21 year olds and people forget that. these guys are going to make mistakes.[/quote]

I agree for the most part depending on the exact stuff being done and how many incidents. However, when you get caught, you don't still keep doing it which is exactly what he's done this past week. "Oh, I'm being investigated for improper use of cars given to me by dealerships? Let me just roll up into a meeting in a 350Z with 30 day dealer tags that some dealership loaned to me." That goes beyond the "being 18-21 year old mistake. That signifies something much much more.

Re: If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him.
 

[quote=NC_Skins;805129]I agree for the most part depending on the exact stuff being done and how many incidents. However, when you get caught, you don't still keep doing it which is exactly what he's done this past week. "Oh, I'm being investigated for improper use of cars given to me by dealerships? Let me just roll up into a meeting in a 350Z with 30 day dealer tags that some dealership loaned to me." That goes beyond the "being 18-21 year old mistake. That signifies something much much more.[/quote]

do you know how he got the car?

Re: If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him.
 

[quote=skinsfan69;805132]do you know how he got the car?[/quote]

The report has been he's used over 8 different cars since his time at Ohio State. It's quite obvious from the investigative report from SI that this dealership is loaning him cars to use. He sure as hell didn't pay for it. (or any of the other 7 cars) If he was selling gear and other stuff, what makes you think he wasn't taking cars from dealerships? Come on man....lol People are in so denial about things.

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Not a chance. He's not a Pro QB. He'll likely end up in the UFL.

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I think in terms of value, look at the recent draft. Wrap your brain around christian ponder middle first round, and the what 4th, 5th QB taken at that point? Think of that talent pool of QBs and how high they went.

Now think if you could land Terrel Pryor with a 4th round value, getting him in a year early to sit and learn. Maybe even a 3rd.

Im much much comfortable using a 4th on TP than say a Ponder, Gabbert, Cam, Locker in the 1st round. Risk. From a value standpoint TP in the 4th or 3rd much better value. I wouldnt be upset with a gamble from that standpoint.

Re: If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him.
 

[quote=Chico23231;805138]I think in terms of value, look at the recent draft. Wrap your brain around christian ponder middle first round, and the what 4th, 5th QB taken at that point? Think of that talent pool of QBs and how high they went. [/quote]

I think the reason those guys went so high is because of the lack of FA moves due to the lockout. Had Kolb or any other FA QB been available, I doubt you see Locker being taken in top 10 or Ponder in mid first.

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Taking him would be a waste of a draft pick and a roster spot. He can't play at the next level unless you intend to run a gimmick oriented offense.

Re: If Pryor entered the supplemental draft would you pick him.
 

[quote=Paintrain;805101]Nah.. If we go supplemental on one of those OSU kids (assuming they all come out) is the tackle who is supposed to be a late 1st, mid 2nd round grade. What makes the supplemental draft attractive now is without the benefit of OTAs all rookies will be on an even plane. It's really like getting an extra value pick from the 2011 draft rather than giving up a 2012 pick.[/quote]


[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I feel almost the exact same way. I don’t really know one way or another about Pryor, but I would be all over Mike Adams. If they wanted to go after Pryor or the running back too, sure why not. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I don’t like the comparison that some people make when saying youre loosing a draft pick from next year’s draft to pick up someone now. If you use a draft pick today, from next year’s stock, on a player that you would like to go after next year then youre not losing a pick, youre just using your pick early. Its like youre getting paid in advance. Youre not giving up a draft pick in next years draft, youre using a draft pick from next years draft on a player would otherwise be in next years draft if not for unforeseen circumstances. So if all he does is practice this year, he will just be more impactful next year since he’s more accumulated to the nfl/the Redskins. The only negative thing is that youre potentially using a roster space for a player that may not end up contributing much since his learning time has been shorten, which might not be a big deal this year………[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Its not a good thing that traditional rookies and supplemental drafted rookies might end up having the same amount learning time because it means that the traditional drafted rookies are going to be behind where they normally would be. We should expect to get less and less out of what you normally would expect from a rookie’s first year contribution each day the lockout goes on. But fortunitly the nfl realizes this and has basically said that they are probably going to allow for larger rosters (and I think larger practice squads for all the UDFA’s that are really getting screwed in this lockout) this year because otherwise a lot of rookies are gonna get cut since they have a shorted learning curve and will be even further behind then they normally would be. So I think it makes even more sense this year going after a supplemental draft player, since the aforementioned negative of using up a valuable roster spot is likely neutralized since roster sizes are going to be larger/modified. [/FONT][/COLOR]