Dr. Kevorkian passed away this morning
 

[url=http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2011-06-03-jack-kevorkian-dies_n.htm]Assisted suicide advocate Kevorkian dies at age 83 - USATODAY.com[/url]

[quote]Dr. Jack Kevorkian, the Michigan pathologist who put assisted suicide on the world's medical ethics stage, died early Friday, according to a spokesman with Beaumont Hospital in Royal Oak, Michigan. He was 83.

Kevorkian died at Beaumont Hospital in Royal Oak, Michigan where he had been hospitalized for about two weeks with kidney and heart problems, attorney Mayer Morganroth told the Detroit Free Press.


Morganroth said it appears Kevorkian suffered a pulmonary thrombosis when a blood clot from his leg broke free and lodged in his heart. With Kevorkian were his niece Ava Janus and Morganroth.


“It was peaceful," Morganroth told the paper. "He didn’t feel a thing."
Kevorkian was known as "Dr. Death" because of his time spent as an assisted-suicide advocate. [/quote]

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i would love to know where he ended up in the after life. IMO it should be heaven, to many people are kept alive that honestly are better off dead.

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It's ok to put animals down but not humans, who are at least capable of making that decision for themselves. Doesn't make much sense to me.

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[quote=mredskins;805567]i would love to know where he ended up in the after life. IMO it should be heaven, [B]to many people are kept alive that honestly are better off dead.[/B][/quote]

Correct...there is a big difference between Life and existence.

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Alot of people and really pets are kept alive for the living who don't want to deal with the pain of their death. Very sad really.

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[quote=mredskins;805567]i would love to know where he ended up in the after life. IMO it should be heaven, to many people are kept alive that honestly are better off dead.[/quote]

Probably a casket or urn like the rest of us my man.

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[quote=tryfuhl;805576]Probably a casket or urn like the rest of us my man.[/quote]

lol don't open that can of worms

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There's no such thing as an afterlife. The only time to judge him was his time while alive on Earth, he's dead and gone now, too late for judgment.

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[quote=mredskins;805567]i would love to know where he ended up in the after life. IMO it should be heaven, to many people are kept alive that honestly are better off dead.[/quote]Unless he had a change of heart when meeting the good Lord, I don't think he took the "Up" elevator. Keep in mind this guy wasn't taking people off artificial life support, he was setting them up to kill themselves by the push of a button. In the case he was convicted for, he administered the lethal injection.



Although Kevorkian claimed to be an advocate for the terminally ill, by the estimation of the investigative reporters at the Detroit Free Press, at least 60% of the people who committed suicide with Kevorkian's help were not terminally ill. Furthermore, the reporters found that:[LIST][*]Kevorkian's counseling was often limited to phone calls and brief meetings that included family members and friends.[*]There was no psychiatric examination in at least 19 Kevorkian suicides, including several in which friends or family had responded that the patient was despondent over matters other than health.[*]In at least 17 assisted suicides in which people complained of chronic pain, Kevorkian did not refer the patients to a pain specialist.[*]Kevorkian's access to medical records varied widely; in some instances, he received only a brief summary of the attending physician's prognosis.[*]Autopsies of at least three Kevorkian suicides revealed no anatomical evidence of disease.[*]At least 19 patients died less than 24 hours after meeting Kevorkian for the first time.[/LIST]Kevorkian was also stripped of his medical license.

Here's a portion of the classic version of the Hippocratic Oath translated into English:


-I will apply dietic measures for the benefit of the sick according to my ability and judgment; I will keep them from harm and injustice.
[B]-I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody if asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect.[/B] In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;805585]Unless he had a change of heart when meeting the good Lord, I don't think he took the "Up" elevator. Keep in mind this guy wasn't taking people off artificial life support, he was setting them up to kill themselves by the push of a button. In the case he was convicted for, he administered the lethal injection.




Although Kevorkian claimed to be an advocate for the terminally ill, by the estimation of the investigative reporters at the Detroit Free Press, at least 60% of the people who committed suicide with Kevorkian's help were not terminally ill. Furthermore, the reporters found that:[LIST][*]Kevorkian's counseling was often limited to phone calls and brief meetings that included family members and friends.[*]There was no psychiatric examination in at least 19 Kevorkian suicides, including several in which friends or family had responded that the patient was despondent over matters other than health.[*]In at least 17 assisted suicides in which people complained of chronic pain, Kevorkian did not refer the patients to a pain specialist.[*]Kevorkian's access to medical records varied widely; in some instances, he received only a brief summary of the attending physician's prognosis.[*]Autopsies of at least three Kevorkian suicides revealed no anatomical evidence of disease.[*]At least 19 patients died less than 24 hours after meeting Kevorkian for the first time.[/LIST]Kevorkian was also stripped of his medical license.

Here's a portion of the classic version of the Hippocratic Oath translated into English:


-I will apply dietic measures for the benefit of the sick according to my ability and judgment; I will keep them from harm and injustice.
[B]-I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody if asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect.[/B] In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art.[/quote]

Eyeroll at the assumption there's some higher power that gives a shit what Jack Kevorkian did on this Earth.

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Fail to me for bring up heaven and hell, as though I care about either. It was just a whimsically thought on my part. Oh silly me.

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It wasn't Kevorkian's job to make sure people were really terminally ill, etc. He made it possible for people who were in pain and wanted a way out that wasn't traumatic or painful. People that came to him came to him for a single reason. It was their choice.

Instead of soaking up their families hard earned money on something that most likely isn't curable they decide to pass on. I understand that decision. I don't want to spend my life in pain just sitting in a hospital bed all day. Not for me.

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[quote=Mattyk;805568]It's ok to put animals down but not humans, who are at least capable of making that decision for themselves. Doesn't make much sense to me.[/quote]

Legal drugs, assisted suicide. You are a loose cannon sir. A loose cannon. Let me say that one more time for dramatic effect. Loose cannon. Whats next not coming to a complete stop at a stop sign?

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[quote=Dirtbag59;805594]Legal drugs, assisted suicide. You are a loose cannon sir. A loose cannon. Let me say that one more time for dramatic effect. Loose cannon. Whats next not coming to a complete stop at a stop sign?[/quote]

You never roll through a stop sign? C'mon now. I'm guessing you don't ever run with scissors either.

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[quote=mredskins;805589]Fail to me for bring up heaven and hell, as though I care about either. It was just a whimsically thought on my part. Oh silly me.[/quote]

You're a long time veteran here, you should know the playbook by now. One man's whimsical thought is another's knock down/drag out brawl.

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[quote=Schneed10;805586]Eyeroll at the assumption there's some higher power that gives a shit what Jack Kevorkian did on this Earth.[/quote]Eyeroll at the assumption that I give a shit what your opinion is of my beliefs.

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[quote=mredskins;805589]Fail to me for bring up heaven and hell, as though I care about either. It was just a whimsically thought on my part. Oh silly me.[/quote]Fail to me for responding with my opinion, my bad.

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[quote=Mattyk;805568]It's ok to put animals down but not humans, who are at least capable of making that decision for themselves. Doesn't make much sense to me.[/quote]

I agree. We treat our dying animals better than we treat our dying relatives.

My father died of cancer last August. The final week of his life (not much living going on, but alive nonetheless, I suppose), he was essentially in a drug induced coma, starving to death. What purpose does that serve?

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[quote=cpayne5;805613]I agree. We treat our dying animals better than we treat our dying relatives.

My father died of cancer last August. The final week of his life (not much living going on, but alive nonetheless, I suppose), he was essentially in a drug induced coma, starving to death. What purpose does that serve?[/quote]

It's just sad. They'll drug you up to the point where you're not even aware of what's going on, but how about just ending your suffering altogether and get on with the inevitable at that point?

Sorry for your loss man.

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[quote=Mattyk;805600]You're a long time veteran here, you should know the playbook by now. [B]One man's whimsical thought is another's knock down/drag out brawl.[/B][/quote]


I know and I respect their opinions.

It is what makes this site great and bad at times.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;805612]Fail to me for responding with my opinion, my bad.[/quote]


I apologize never meant to offend nor do I beleive you don't have a right to your opinion.

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This will boost medical tourism to Switzerland where assisted suicide is legal and viewed as compassionate.

RIP Kevorkian.

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[quote=mredskins;805627]I apologize never meant to offend nor do I beleive you don't have a right to your opinion.[/quote]No worries, not offended. Thanks for posting that.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;805611]Eyeroll at the assumption that I give a shit what your opinion is of my beliefs.[/quote]

Your beliefs are idiotic.

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And here we go again. I suppose I should insert an eyeroll now

Let's not turn this into a my beliefs vs. your beliefs thread

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[quote=Schneed10;805639]Your beliefs are idiotic.[/quote]


I tend to lean to the side that their is no super power but to say to SS33 he is idiot for believing that just makes you look like a bully on the playground trying to pick a fight. What you care what he believes? It is his mind his life he is not treading on you.

I honestly don't think you care you are just bored and looking to instigate a fight.

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[quote=mredskins;805642]I honestly don't think you care you are just bored and looking to instigate a fight.[/quote]Ditto.

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Not many people change a country let alone the world...A genuine American Hero died today. RIP Dr. K.

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[quote=saden1;805655]Not many people change a country let alone the world...A genuine American Hero died today. RIP Dr. K.[/quote]


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[quote=mredskins;805642]I tend to lean to the side that their is no super power but to say to SS33 he is idiot for believing that just makes you look like a bully on the playground trying to pick a fight. What you care what he believes? It is his mind his life he is not treading on you.

[B]I honestly don't think you care you are just bored and looking to instigate a fight.[/B][/quote]

Dammit. My reputation precedes me.

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You will always be Buster!

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Kevorkian was a little bit before my time, but i know what he did and i dont really pass judgement on it. I only know of two people who Kevorkian had to activate the machine that euthanized them, only because the people were too infirm to do it themselves.

So i guess he did techincally kill two people, but it wasnt the same as murder, in my opinion. He's dead now. We move on.

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God people are strange.

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He probably did more to reduce health insurance cost then Obama.

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[quote=firstdown;805803]He probably did more to reduce health insurance cost then Obama.[/quote]

Zing!

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Interesting info from Belgium

[URL="http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/06/14/euthanasia-study-raises-chilling-concern-that-patients-could-be-killed-to/"]Euthanasia Study Raises 'Chilling' Concern That Patients Could be Killed to Harvest Better Organs - FoxNews.com[/URL]