If the season ended today...
 

We would own the #5 overall pick for the 2nd straight season. Even with a win next week it looks like we're a lock for a top 10 pick, with a loss and some help we could possibly climb higher than 5.

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What area should we address with that pick, or should we trade down for more picks?

I say trade down for more picks. We need help at WR, O-line, and D-line.

This is a thread that's hard to say anything about till the time gets closer. Does Coles get surgery? If so, how does it go? After the free agents are cleared up it helps a lot. Do we resign everyone? Add someone to the mix? As of now, I think Mike Williams may be the way to go. If we go DE I think we should trade down, the draft seems rather full of DEs this year.

Of course it all depends on who's available but if one of the big time WR's are there that's the way I would lean.

Gardner is as good as gone after next year if not sooner, and it's obvious we need playmakers on offense.

Williams has shown he can plug many different guys in and out and the D still operates at a high level so I think we really need to address the offense this offseason.

A top 10 pick is way too early to look at a center, but a tackle could be in the works depending on if Samuels restructures.

Trading down for additional picks would also be a good idea since we're going to be short on picks again.

I wouldn't really be against trading a lot of this draft away and saving it for the next year. Not for players, but for more picks of course!

I'm guessing if the draft order stays the same we'll have a lot of people wanting either Cadillac Williams or Cedric Benson (whoever the Dolphins don't take) with our #5 spot.

I also seeing us having a chance of grabbing the WR of our choice. Depending on what San Fran goes. They have so many needs it's hard to predict!

I also think we should really trade down and try to acquire more picks - maybe we can pick up an additional 2nd rounder.

Then, I'd like to see us pick up a pass-rushing DE in the mid-first round, a speedy receiver with the 2nd round pick, and a center with our 3rd round pick.

At some point, we also need to acquire a short-yardage back, either through FA or the draft, and could also use more depth at CB and possibly another interior lineman.

San Fran and Miami are both in perfect situations to go QB with their first rounders

Mike Williams or trade down for more picks.. I don't know that there is that dominant player that warrants a top 5 pick on defense, but then again, I don't watch much college football so I may be missing someone.

I don't know, I think San Fran may try to stick with Rattay.

[QUOTE=Paintrain]Mike Williams or trade down for more picks.. I don't know that there is that dominant player that warrants a top 5 pick on defense, but then again, I don't watch much college football so I may be missing someone.[/QUOTE]


I agree, we need a deep threat TO type WR.

[QUOTE=Daseal]I don't know, I think San Fran may try to stick with Rattay.[/QUOTE]
Maybe, but if they end up with the #1 pick I think it would be awfully hard for them to justify passing on Leinart.

Wouldn't SF be better of drafting a WR? They seem content w/ Rattay and Dorsey.

Big play WR or a dominating offensive lineman. And if that's not there then trade down. If Gibbs gets an OL that can doninate he will be more likely to run less maxprotection pass plays.

If they're content with Rattay and/or Dorsey, they should just fold up that franchise and contract themselves, because those two won't win the NFL.

I agree jdlea, like I said before if they have Leinart sitting in their laps how can they pass over him for the likes of Rattay and Dorsey? Puh-lease

[QUOTE=jdlea]If they're content with Rattay and/or Dorsey, they should just fold up that franchise and contract themselves, because those two won't win the NFL.[/QUOTE]


Well, you never know w/ the 49ers. I mean, look at who they hired for HC! I thought they would go after Denny Green.

Rattay could be good, but everyone on the roster looks bad because there's not enough talent to help them out!

I think we should trade down and get some more picks. Depending on what we do with Chris Samuels we are def. gonna need a left tackle. We also really need a DE and a center. We also could use a pass catching TE. We also need some depth at DT. Besides Griffen we don't really have anyone that is any good.

But most importantly we need a new offensive coordinator. Gibbs system is clearly outdated for the modern NFL and unless he makes some big changes, our offense is gonna struggle.

I don't see Leinart staying at SC after this year...even if they lose to the Sooners in the Orange Bowl. He'll go #1, and it may not be the 9ers taking them. The 9ers need so much help that they may trade down to acquire more for that pick. Mel's big board doesn't have a single QB in the top 10.

I also don't see how we're number 5, when we have the same record as 2 teams we've beaten (Bears, Bucs)...shouldn't they be below us in the draft sequence? A quick peek at teamrankings.com puts the bears slightly ahead of us (should change next week after the Vikes game), and we're well past Tampa and Arizona...

IMO, the Skins can definitely stay at 5 and fill all their needs in the offseason. Mike Williams or Braylon Edwards would be a great addition, however our downfield passing game is non-existant. Plus we have decent downfield threats in Coles and Jacobs (depending on Coles' status going into next season). Gardner has had a decent season, and we're getting good production out of the H-B/TE position. We don't have pressing needs on the O-Line, minus Center. Injuries really killed us, and I dont see Ray Brown coming back. There are plenty of O-Lineman late in the draft to pick up.

IF G Williams is back, defense will not be a problem. It would be nice to keep around the group we had this year. Hard nosed guys (similar to Mann, Manley, Butz, Koch, et al, but not as talented) who dig in the trenches and allow our LBs to run free.

Trading down (which i voted for in haste) doesn't make sense. We need a young playmaker...which we'll get moreso at 5/6/7/8/9...

if the season ended today, my top 5 for the Skins pick would be Dan Cody (DT - Oklahoma), Erasmus James (DE - Wisconsin), David Pollack (DE - Georgia), Vince Carter (C - Oklahoma), Braylon Edwards (WR - Michigan). I'll assume that Mike Williams goes before the Skins pick...

[QUOTE=Drift Reality]I also think we should really trade down and try to acquire more picks - maybe we can pick up an additional 2nd rounder.

Then, I'd like to see us pick up a pass-rushing DE in the mid-first round, a speedy receiver with the 2nd round pick, and a center with our 3rd round pick.

At some point, we also need to acquire a short-yardage back, either through FA or the draft, and could also use more depth at CB and possibly another interior lineman.[/QUOTE]


Im pretty sure we dont have a second round pick, we traded it to get cooley, which seems to have worked out. And as of now i think we have our third still, but dont count on having it come draft day, lol. Mabye Vinny T or Chris Chandler or some other agless wonder is out there looking for a big contract and a starting qb spot.

I say either get Mike Williams, or a top flight end. I worry that our defense over achieved this year and we could still bolster our dline. But at the same time how can you ignore our pathetic offense that needs a deep threat spark. Coles could be that guy but as some of you said we dont know about his toe.

Mike Williams or Braylon Edwards look really good right now. But I voted trade down as we could get more bang for the buck with 2 late picks or three picks to round 2.

I'm for trading down from around #5 and picking up Erasmus James around #10 and a center with a second rounder.

you guys know my choice... watching the game yesterday, it is easy to blame the loss on one or two plays. throughout the game, my biggest problem was moving the chains- i swear we should not have had 3 and outs against one of the worst secondaries in the nfl this year. you look at the cowpukes and at least keyshawn was there to make the vital first down grabs.

mike williams solves this problem- if we pick 5th, i don't know if he's still there. the niners may actually go with rodgers before leinart if they decide to go qb... but in all honesty, they need a receiver in the worst way- cedric wilson and brandon lloyd aren't exactly scaring any defensive coordinators at night.

Mike Williams will be there at 5. He was like a 10-20 pick last year, why would people jump on him after a year off? I think Edwards might even get taken over him. That being said, I'm torn. We really arent getting a lot of pressure w/o blitzing, which poses a problem, but our offense is clearly a problem, so I say we have to go that way. I'm for drafting Williams or a Pass rushing DE. We need a new Center and maybe draft a gaurd.

[QUOTE=itvnetop]you guys know my choice... watching the game yesterday, it is easy to blame the loss on one or two plays. throughout the game, my biggest problem was moving the chains- i swear we should not have had 3 and outs against one of the worst secondaries in the nfl this year. you look at the cowpukes and at least keyshawn was there to make the vital first down grabs.

mike williams solves this problem- if we pick 5th, i don't know if he's still there. the niners may actually go with rodgers before leinart if they decide to go qb... but in all honesty, they need a receiver in the worst way- cedric wilson and brandon lloyd aren't exactly scaring any defensive coordinators at night.[/QUOTE]


William's doesn't solve a thing are we to draft a reciever so we can throw hitches? Were better off drafting some running back's and putting them on the outside, our problem isn't WR's, it's Gibb's conservative play, I say trade down, trade Gardner, Samuel's, Morton if possible, I would also trade off Lavar why he has value he makes the Portis and Brunell deal's look like monitary steal's, simply THE MOST OVERATED, OVERHYPED PLAYER IN THE NFL! Then take whatever pick's we come away with and go O-line starting with a center, we can get another reciever at some point and a D-lineman, that's the direction we should go.

Let's at least be logical about next year. Trading half the team isn't going to happen unless we'd like to drown in cap hits.

I'm sticking to my guns and saying we draft Mike Williams if he's available but if not then trade down, get bralin edwards or a highly ranked guard like elton brown from uva and then use our 2nd rounder on either the best wr available if we didn't get edwards or the best center available. We can get a solid de in the 3rd and 4th rounds cuz some guys r going to be deemed undersized or run bad 40s and be overlooked. and of course my favorite pick that I've been screaming for since the spring for next years draft is chris canty who would be a steal in the 3rd or 4th rounds IF he is fully recovered from his leg injury. and I know we're very solid at lb if peirce resigns, but does anyone know when the mlb from florida st.(can't remember his name) will be eligable for the draft cuz every time i saw florida state play defense that guy was everywhere in a heartbeat.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Let's at least be logical about next year. Trading half the team isn't going to happen unless we'd like to drown in cap hits.[/QUOTE]


BULLDINKY! Trade'em all! :rofl:

[QUOTE=offiss]BULLDINKY! Trade'em all! :rofl:[/QUOTE]

:thumb: Offiss, I love your bright ideas.....

Do we have enough cap room to sign a high first round pick? I think trading down makes more sense, so we get more bang for the buck.

Beyond that, let's not make this overly complicated: our offense sucks and our defense is great. So, let's tinker with the offense first. We need a deep threat, to keep secondaries honest, and so defenses can't stack the line of scrimmage to stop Portis. We also need to upgrade the offensive line, big time. Gibbs' offense is built around the run; we should draft the best center we can. Fortunately we get Jansen back next year.

I really like what Gibbs & Co. did finding talent in the draft last year. Taylor is a freak. Cooley has been a great addition to our offense, Wilson stepped in and had a great game at tackle ( granted it was only one game ). Milinaro, we havent really seen play. That not withstanding, they seem to have found some good talent and lower picks (outside of Taylor). Therfore, I think we could trade down and still have alot of success filling holes on the team.

In my opinion, talent is evenly thin at all positions in this year's draft. So the 'starter caliber' players may go fast. Check this out. How about going two or more for just one? If we draft a legitimate pass rusher like James or Roth, Our CBs and LBs won't have to cover recievers as long, thus making them better. That's why I'm against re-signing Smoot for a lot of dough!

I really haven't had a chance to evaluate the o-linemen available to see if one would be justified being taken with a high draft pick..........if there is no boss "HOG" out there, then trade down and pick extra picks and take an o-linemen later........we also need DE, and I'd look for a WR replacement and dump Gardner...............