NFL Player Holdouts - 2011
 

So far:

DeSean Jackson (who knows why...)
Frank Gore (demanding new contract)



It's a relevant topic but did not want to clutter up the FA threads with it.

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Chris Johnson and Osi Umenyiora may also be on that list

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Osi Umenyiora threatening, saying he's "ready to hold out". Money.

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[quote=Monkeydad;814192]So far:

[B]DeSean Jackson (who knows why...)[/B]
Frank Gore (demanding new contract)



It's a relevant topic but did not want to clutter up the FA threads with it.[/quote]
Really? Kind of a no-brainer. I don't blame him. He's currently very underpaid for what he's done on the field. They need to lock him up.

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yes, they need to pay that man his money. He is working for chump change, especially when you think that santana moss is making quadruple your salary......and your name is desean jackson........

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Jackson is obvious. Dude's a massive playmaker, one of the most electric players in the game, and he's still on his rookie deal and getting paid 550k this season. I'd be pissed too if I were him.

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Trade for desean!

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[quote=Monkeydad;814199]Osi Umenyiora threatening, saying he's "ready to hold out". Money.[/quote]


Yup , frankly he's a good End and a great pass rusher but that's it...not very good against the run and still has 2 years left on his contract....let him sit....FH!

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This is not the year for holdouts.

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[quote=GMScud;814209]Really? Kind of a no-brainer. I don't blame him. He's currently very underpaid for what he's done on the field. They need to lock him up.[/quote]

And good luck for him trying to get paid by the Eagles. Don't see that happening.

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DeSean is underpaid for what he's done, but he has signed a contract and should play for it...just as Haynesworth should have played after signing his. Sure he's worth more than his salary but stop crying and fulfill your obligations. Besides, at $560,000 a year, he can't afford to hold out too many days since he's being fined $30,000 a day!


Another one: Chris Johnson

[url=http://twitter.com/#!/jwyattsports/status/96954798401794048]Twitter[/url]

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[quote=Monkeydad;816053]DeSean is underpaid for what he's done, but he has signed a contract and should play for it...just as Haynesworth should have played after signing his. Sure he's worth more than his salary but stop crying and fulfill your obligations. Besides, at $560,000 a year, he can't afford to hold out too many days since he's being fined $30,000 a day!


Another one: Chris Johnson

[url=http://twitter.com/#!/jwyattsports/status/96954798401794048]Twitter[/url][/quote]

So you don't believe in raises? Teams will try to get the most out of a players and pay the least amount of money. Although they have to pay the guaranteed money, teams also break player contracts when they cut players.

I swear, it baffles me how much normal people can relate to and sympathize with millionaire owners. When a team cuts a player, everyone says "oh it's a business decision", but when a player asks for a raise, everyone piles up on the player.

I don't know much about Gore's or Johnson's situation. But Jackson has been a beast for the Eagles and deserves to be paid more.

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[quote=Ruhskins;816058]So you don't believe in raises? Teams will try to get the most out of a players and pay the least amount of money. Although they have to pay the guaranteed money, teams also break player contracts when they cut players.

I swear, it baffles me how much normal people can relate to and sympathize with millionaire owners. When a team cuts a player, everyone says "oh it's a business decision", but when a player asks for a raise, everyone piles up on the player.

I don't know much about Gore's or Johnson's situation. But Jackson has been a beast for the Eagles and deserves to be paid more.[/quote]

Football players bargain based on how their salary is relative to other football players. However, their actual pay on an "absolute" level is rather substantial, often six figures. Hence, "morals" kick in and identify said player as "selfish".

But ****, some tenant breaks a lease and everyone sympathizes with the tenant against the "evil" landlord even if they totally trash the place.

It's really simple, people love to talk through "principles", but they actually operate under a UTILITARIAN morals.

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[quote=Ruhskins;816058]So you don't believe in raises? Teams will try to get the most out of a players and pay the least amount of money. Although they have to pay the guaranteed money, teams also break player contracts when they cut players.

I swear, it baffles me how much normal people can relate to and sympathize with millionaire owners. When a team cuts a player, everyone says "oh it's a business decision", but when a player asks for a raise, everyone piles up on the player.

I don't know much about Gore's or Johnson's situation. But Jackson has been a beast for the Eagles and deserves to be paid more.[/quote]

He should absolutely get a raise, he's earned it. But, you don't stop showing up for work until you get a raise. He's not showing much of a work ethic or regard for his team right now...a bit Haynesworthian in a way.

I have no problem if he publicly said "I deserve more money" because it's true...but show up and prove you're worthy of it.

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[quote=Monkeydad;816077]He should absolutely get a raise, he's earned it. But, you don't stop showing up for work until you get a raise. He's not showing much of a work ethic or regard for his team right now...a bit Haynesworthian in a way.

I have no problem if he publicly said "I deserve more money" because it's true...but show up and prove you're worthy of it.[/quote]

I agree. But unfortunately holding out seems to be the only bargaining chip that the players have.

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They are all an injury away from one leg with a permanent limp and the other leg in the poor house. Best get yourself paid before you get laid off.

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[quote=Ruhskins;816099]I agree. But unfortunately holding out seems to be the only bargaining chip that the players have.[/quote]

Not anymore with the $30K/day penalty. Teams who really don't want to pay know these players can't hold out for long.

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i think teams should have a known criteria for when they may consider re-doing a rookie contract. i completely agree with players like chris johnson and jackson.

my criteria:
in your 3rd or 4th year of a rookie contract
making less than 800k per year
top 10 in specific categories or other predetermined criteria

if i was a player like cj or desean and my team didnt want to restructure after ive earned a raise, i would tell them that when my contract expires i will only re-sign with them for 3-5 mil more than it should be to make up for the lost income in my rookie years.

it just seems like bad business to me to short change a premier player who has done alot for your team. that cant brew happiness.

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[quote=over the mountain;816119]i think teams should have a known criteria for when they may consider re-doing a rookie contract. i completely agree with players like chris johnson and jackson.

my criteria:
in your 3rd or 4th year of a rookie contract
making less than 800k per year
top 10 in specific categories or other predetermined criteria

[B]if i was a player like cj or desean and my team didnt want to restructure after ive earned a raise, i would tell them that when my contract expires i will only re-sign with them for 3-5 mil more than it should be to make up for the lost income in my rookie years. [/B]

it just seems like bad business to me to short change a premier player who has done alot for your team. that cant brew happiness.[/quote]

Agreed. You want the "home town discount"? Now is the time for it. If you make me risk my payday by playing at a discount this year, you get the "home town premium" next year.

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Ha...

[url=http://twitter.com/#!/howardeskin/status/96976368901959680]Twitter[/url]

Good news for us!

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Look at you all over Twitter

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[quote=Monkeydad;816151]Ha...

[url=http://twitter.com/#!/howardeskin/status/96976368901959680]Twitter[/url]

Good news for us![/quote]

and for those of us who can't access twitter at work, it says...?

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[quote=JoeRedskin;816231]and for those of us who can't access twitter at work, it says...?[/quote]

@howardeskin
Howard Eskin
I'm told that DeSean Jackson hold out will be for the long haul. Not coming to Eagles camp anytime soon.

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ahhh, thanks!

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That "he signed a contract so he needs to fulfill it" is a moronic argument to say the least. Why is it moronic? Because the owners can cut players without fulfilling the contract!! I think players should have opt out clauses in their contracts based on performance, just as well as owners cutting the player due to lack of performance. No sense that players like CJ and DJ are paid what they are.

Also, if S. Holmes is worth 10mil per, than D. Jackson should be worth 13 mil per. I'd take him any day of the week over Holmes.

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[quote=Mattyk;816152]Look at you all over Twitter[/quote]

I'm not even on it...ha.

But, the media cites Twitter as a source all over the place.

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Close enough, you're posting links from it. Why not just sign up?

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Nothing to talk about. :D



Besides, after this FA buzz is over, I'll go back to not caring about it.

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That's the good thing with Twitter, you can just follow. You don't have to say anything.