Short Yardage Back!!!??? ALSTOTT to Skins???
 

I feel we really need a short yardage back.
Anyone think Alstott will end up in DC next season?
Would a trade for Rod Gardner or McCants be worth Alstott?

I'd pass. He's had quite a few injury problems and he's prone to fumbling. Maybe 5 years ago I'd be in favor of acquiring him, but not now.

He's way over rated at this point in his career. Maybe even so at his peak.

He was probably always a bit overrated, but he always had those SportsCenter runs where he'd bowl over a few people.

Alstott is in my opinion, and others too actually, one of the most over rated playersof the last decade and even ever. He was a good blocking fullback at one point with below average hands and brought very little in the way of running ability. He was built up by one John Madden over the course of a couple seasons because this is when TB started playing well so Madden at the time was doing plenty of Bucs games. The system he played in called on him numerous times a game to get 1 or 2 yards and he was always able to. Realistically though there were 10-12 other guys with as much talent and less exposure even at the ehight of hsi career. Now he is injury riddled, below average blcoker, way below average runner and basically brings little value to whatever etam he is on next year.

Give alstott his credit. Hes a good blocking back and knowns how to punch it in. Hes not worht much now, after that neck injury last year and his age, but in his prime all he did was score and convert first downs. In my opinion thats the definition of a short yardage back.

I think we should just continue to use Betts and if anything expand his role a bit more. I'm really surprised we haven't used him at the goal line at all this year.

He should get a few short yardage chances against the Vikes.

well he'll get all the looks against the vikes.

I wonder if Rock will get any playing time as a backup this week. Who is our official third string back?

The Vikings have no defense, we better have some offense next week.

WE have had no sucesses this year in the short yardage game. I do not understand why we have not tryed Rock in the short game. If I remember correctly he was pretty effective last year.

Allstott if washed up he only goes backwards these day's.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I think we should just continue to use Betts and if anything expand his role a bit more. I'm really surprised we haven't used him at the goal line at all this year.

He should get a few short yardage chances against the Vikes.[/QUOTE]

I agree - given that we're definitely going to improve the O-line next year, Betts would be sufficient for short yardage situations. No need to waste a pick on Alstot -a guy that's way past his prime (1999-2000 were his best years).

Beefing up the O-line, better offensive playcalling and better QB play are our key areas for improvement.

I agree that this is a glaring need, but Alstott isn't the answer. THis is a place where an undrafted rookie/cheap FA ought to be available. ALstott is injury prone and old.

This, to my mind, is the real problem with Gibbs offense (not that the passing game isn't too conservative, but still...). We have not been able to pick up 3rd and shorts all year. It shows that our O-line isn't controlling the line of scrimmage. Everything in Gibbs offense works off of that, including the at-persent nonexistent long passing game. If we can't dominate the line of scrimmage with our O-line, nothing will work.

It's not a conicidence that the games we looked ok in were games that we ran the ball with authority. GIbbs had the most famous O-line ever in the Hogs, and he won 3 superbowls with them. That's what we're missing. Everything depends on it.

If I remember right someone here suggested, several weeks ago, that we consider Brad Hoover. That might not be a bad idea

Personally I think the guy is a dope and should be cut for his boneheaded plays, but why isn't Mike Sellers a short yardage back? The guy is huge and has some speed, shouldn't he be able to hit a hole and lean for a yard or 2?

What about this [URL=http://www.cfl.ca/CFLHistoryDraft02/Diedrick.html]guy[/URL] we signed to our practice squad earlier this season

[QUOTE=smootsmack]What about this [URL=http://www.cfl.ca/CFLHistoryDraft02/Diedrick.html]guy[/URL] we signed to our practice squad earlier this season[/QUOTE]

Smoot, looks like the Skins promoted your boy to the active roster.

[url]http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=5271[/url]

What about the superstar in the making Sultan McCullough? Where's he at now?

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]What about the superstar in the making Sultan McCullough? Where's he at now?[/QUOTE]

Oh you mean our preseason Hall of Famer? I have no clue where he could be.

Carolina? Cincinnatti?

[QUOTE=Redskins_P]Smoot, looks like the Skins promoted your boy to the active roster.

[url]http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=5271[/url][/QUOTE]

behold the awesome power of smootsmack. I snap my fingers and Vinny jumps.

What shall I wish for next fellas?

alstot might make a good waterboy.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]He was probably always a bit overrated, but he always had those SportsCenter runs where he'd bowl over a few people.[/QUOTE] I totally disagree. He was a stud out of college (Purdue) and we picked a Tackle out of Penn State that year (Andre Johnson ?) Tampa picked a few latter. We need him that year as we had Terry Allen but we did take Steven Davis in the 7th round out of Auburn.

[url]http://www.redeyesports.com/NFLdraft1996.htm[/url]

[QUOTE=CRT3]I totally disagree. He was a stud out of college (Purdue) and we picked a Tackle out of Penn State that year (Andre Johnson ?) Tampa picked a few latter. We need him that year as we had Terry Allen but we did take Steven Davis in the 7th round out of Auburn.

[url]http://www.redeyesports.com/NFLdraft1996.htm[/url][/QUOTE]
I am not sure about the specifics of the draft in which Alstott was taken but I know we drafted Davis in the 3rd round, not the 7th. We took Johnson in whatever draft with the 18th pick. Alstott was a 2nd rounder.

Alstott almost ended his career after sustaining a neck injury.

I agree with Matty, give the ball to Betts; he is very quick (not necessarily fast), has good vision, and runs with power.

[QUOTE=CRT3]I totally disagree. He was a stud out of college (Purdue) and we picked a Tackle out of Penn State that year (Andre Johnson ?) Tampa picked a few latter. We need him that year as we had Terry Allen but we did take Steven Davis in the 7th round out of Auburn.

[url]http://www.redeyesports.com/NFLdraft1996.htm[/url][/QUOTE]

CRT3, if you're from Rockville undoubtedly you remember Sports Call with Ken Beatrice and back in the day he used to constantly talk about this fullback out of Purdue, a Mr. Mike Alstott

I agree about giving the ball to Betts. The Problem is WE DONT GIVE IT TO HIM. He is our short yardage back, and our change of pace back all in one package. I dont think he has scored a TD yet this year, or even being used on the goal-line. Thats why I would get so pissed. If were going to run it up the middle, give it to Betts, when we did that with Portis I was like " either run him outside or get Betts in there". I think Betts will be fine.

[QUOTE=FRPLG]I am not sure about the specifics of the draft in which Alstott was taken but I know we drafted Davis in the 3rd round, not the 7th. We took Johnson in whatever draft with the 18th pick. Alstott was a 2nd rounder.[/QUOTE]


4th round not 3rd or 7th.

Problem is Betts can't make the short yardage runs either! We need a bruiser who like taking on DL and someone that can push them a yard or 2. Alstott can still do that. If Bettis can do it Alstott still can.

The problem isn't entirely with the backs. The line has been pretty inconsistent at opening up holes all year.

[QUOTE=FRPLG]I am not sure about the specifics of the draft in which Alstott was taken but I know we drafted Davis in the 3rd round, not the 7th. We took Johnson in whatever draft with the 18th pick. Alstott was a 2nd rounder.[/QUOTE]
My mistake we took Davis with the 7th pick in the 4th Round. Johnson was the 30th pick of the 1st round . Alstott was taken 5 picks latter or the 5th pick in the 2nd round. I would have prefered Alstott over Johnson.

if we get anyone it should be short yardage specialist Zach crocket of the Raiders he still has lots of gas inthe tank

Matty:

I have the scoop on Sultan's whereabouts. He is working out with that other pre-season wonder, Babe Laufenburg, and they hope to sign as a tandem for a team that wants to generate momentun in the pre-season in order to get a fast start next year.


Alstott is "all done". If he's a free agent, don't give him a big bonus or you will wear it like an albatross around your neck. As an example of what I mean by that see Brunell, Mark.


Rock Cartwright was not used in short yardage because when he was used that way last year he got stoned for no gain or lost a yard as many time as he gained six inches. Here is an algabraic equation for you to remember about Rock:

Cartwright = Special Teams Player

You'll probaby see him against the second teamers of one of the worst defenses in the NFL this weekend. So when he gains 60 or 70 yards, remember that he was not running against a top flight defense.


MIke Sellers used to be able to hit a hole quickly. Watch him when he leads for a running play from the H-Back position; those days are gone.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]I think we should just continue to use Betts and if anything expand his role a bit more. I'm really surprised we haven't used him at the goal line at all this year.

He should get a few short yardage chances against the Vikes.[/QUOTE]

I'd have to go with the consensus and say NO to Alstott........I'd like to what we have in Betts ........