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I know we've discussed it during the offseason but with the shootings last night I thought I'd readdress the topic. Putting up with drunk and obnoxious is one thing, but does the violence make you less inclined to every attend an NFL game?

I'm planning on going to the Panthers game in October but there is no way I'm bringing my kids.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8219e23c/article/police-two-shot-in-candlestick-park-lot-after-raiders49ers-tilt?module=HP11_headline_stack]NFL.com news: Police: Two shot in Candlestick Park lot after Raiders-49ers tilt[/url]

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dumbass fans -- i love the redskins with a passion but at some point people need to step back and realize that its just a game THAT YOU'RE NOT EVEN PLAYING!!

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I'd never take a kid to an NFL game, I used to go to Saints games all the time and there was always fights in the stadium.. I know it happens everywhere but I'd rather watch from my house, last night was a joke of security at that game.. Are u kidding me? GUNS and people almost beaten to death? SAD

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Exactly, it is a game, an entertainment fix. Ultimately it is nothing more than a distraction like a movie. Yeah we are fans, but even if we lose, we aren't losing a damn thing in reality. Thing is the triggerman(men) were probably not in attendance and were just waiting outside to rob people or who know what. It would be hard to enter a NFL stadium with a gun anymore. At Ford Field it is like half the Detroit Police Dept is there doing the metal detectors or just patroling those areas.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;825515]I'd never take a kid to an NFL game, I used to go to Saints games all the time and there was always fights in the stadium.. I know it happens everywhere but I'd rather watch from my house, last night was a joke of security at that game.. Are u kidding me? GUNS and people almost beaten to death? SAD[/quote]


Tho only problem I have ever seen at Lions games were fights due to alcohol. I think the NFL would be wise in actually considering dropping the damn beer companies and banning alcohol. A damn football or baseball game should be kid friendly always. I mean seriously, do you want half the adults in the crowd driving back home drunk?

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[quote=GusFrerotte;825519]Tho only problem I have ever seen at Lions games were fights due to alcohol. I think the NFL would be wise in actually considering dropping the damn beer companies and banning alcohol. A damn football or baseball game should be kid friendly always. I mean seriously, do you want half the adults in the crowd driving back home drunk?[/quote]

they'd be giving up an awful lot of money. and that's aramark/the stadiums, not the NFL, so most of the owners have a stake in beer sales.

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I think I have been saying it for awhile now, NFL games are for taking the family, its for guys to get together with their buddies to party. No way would I ever take my wife or a kid to an NFL game unless I was sitting in a private box and even then I'd have to really think about it.

This stupidity is fueled by booze and by the team promoting this "fan as the 12th man" crap so it shouldnt surprise anyone (especially the teams that have promoted this) that the fans actually feel like they are part of the team and go berserk when the team loses or a fan of another team gets attacked in a booze fueled show of "team support".

There's no way the NFL will ban beer sales in the stadium, its worth too much $ to the owners. I can see them banning tailgating or allow tailgating without booze. I could even see them allowing tailgating if you go through the team to cater the food & drink (that way the amount of booze could be controlled). In the end the fans are going to ruin it for themselves.

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Honestly, I think the lack of security is one of the biggest things.

I've been to a ton of Redskins games, I've never seen anything that outrageous (I prob only go to 1-3 games a year max)... but I've always thought how lax the security is. I really don't think there are many cops around either...

I mean these people are clearly idiots, but its the world we live in now...

Not really sure what my point is, but it's just getting ridiculous.

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College football games live > Pro football games live


I am fortunate to have a University in town which rates as one of the best football games to attend in the nation(tailgating is awesome). I've been to pro and to other college football, and pro football simply doesn't compare. I think a big portion of it is due to the fact that beer isn't served at the games (or allowed in), even though each campus has their own rules in regards to this. If you allow people to drink all day and continue to allow them to drink during the game, you are just asking for trouble.

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There are a few stadiums I'm rather hesitant to go to, just because of the type of people there... Oakland Raiders games (there've been at least a handful of stabbing incidents there), M&T Stadium.. because... well, it's Baltimore. I've been invited to a few Skins v. Eagles game and I know how stupid Philly fans get to the point of I won't even walk around in Philly with my Skins jersey on. You'd think as a female, people wouldn't get AS bent out of shape about it and give me so much hell. But I don't even risk it. It seems kind over the top, but after reading that incident last year about a Philly's fan barfing on some guy's kid, I figure better safe than sorry.

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[quote=NC_Skins;825572]College football games live > Pro football games live


I am fortunate to have a University in town which rates as one of the best football games to attend in the nation(tailgating is awesome). I've been to pro and to other college football, and pro football simply doesn't compare. I think a big portion of it is due to the fact that beer isn't served at the games (or allowed in), even though each campus has their own rules in regards to this. If you allow people to drink all day and continue to allow them to drink during the game, you are just asking for trouble.[/quote]


Maybe they dont serve alchohol, however in my personally experience it seems the amount of drinking done outside of the stadiums is much more and for much longer at college games then at nfl games. At 9 dollars a beer im not really getting drunk inside the stadium.

I think the difference is the amount of opposing fans at nfl games vs. college games. The fans at college games are 95% home team. At NFL games it can be around 75% or in the case of fedex.... 50/50 sometimes.

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My first thought was "Who ever feels the need to even TAKE a gun to a game, should just stay home".

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I wonder what ever happend to this:

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/30/green-bay-police-not-sure-if-guns-will-be-allowed-at-lambeau/]Green Bay police not sure if guns will be allowed at Lambeau | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=DynamiteRave;825593]There are a few stadiums I'm rather hesitant to go to, just because of the type of people there... Oakland Raiders games (there've been at least a handful of stabbing incidents there), M&T Stadium.. because... well, it's Baltimore. I've been invited to a few Skins v. Eagles game and I know how stupid Philly fans get to the point of I won't even walk around in Philly with my Skins jersey on. You'd think as a female, people wouldn't get AS bent out of shape about it and give me so much hell. But I don't even risk it. It seems kind over the top, but after reading that incident last year about a Philly's fan barfing on some guy's kid, I figure better safe than sorry.[/quote]

I have been to M&T many many times and with my Skins gear on, best stadium experience i have ever had. no one gave me trouble. I feel safer there then FedEx.

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[quote=mlmpetert;825693]Maybe they dont serve alchohol, however in my personally experience it seems the amount of drinking done outside of the stadiums is much more and for much longer at college games then at nfl games. At 9 dollars a beer im not really getting drunk inside the stadium.

[B]I think the difference is the amount of opposing fans at nfl games vs. college games. The fans at college games are 95% home team. At NFL games it can be around 75% or in the case of fedex.... 50/50 sometimes.[/B][/quote]


The college game day experience is much safer. I don't think it matters who you are rooting for. I have seen plenty of Skins fans vs. Skins fans.

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don't bet on that ^

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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Well it could also be that college kids have more on the line if they get in trouble at a game.... they can get kicked out. [/FONT][/COLOR]
[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Also the 49ers owner knows how to curb violence at games. Come to think of it college games dont have preseason games! Anyone know if spring practices get a little out of control? This guy is a complete idiot:[/FONT][/COLOR]

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/22/jed-york-suggests-18-game-season-would-curb-fan-violence/]Jed York suggests 18-game season would curb fan violence | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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So this is the same game that also had this fight break out.

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIxtxntG1sI&NR=1"]49ers vs Raiders 8/20/11 FIGHT 49er fans fight with Raider fans - YouTube[/URL]

People are such ass holes and I wonder if this fight is related to the shooting.

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[quote=firstdown;825722]So this is the same game that also had this fight break out.

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIxtxntG1sI&NR=1"]49ers vs Raiders 8/20/11 FIGHT 49er fans fight with Raider fans - YouTube[/URL]

People are such ass holes and I wonder if this fight is related to the shooting.[/quote]

What idiots. Yeah. Where were the police/security in all this? That went on for a good bit.

hahaha...one of the comments under that video.

[quote]Wow some one actually spend money on a A.Smith jersey lol[/quote]

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From that same game in SF.


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No cops around for the looooongest time. Yeah, I'll take college game day any day of the week over pro.

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[quote=mlmpetert;825714]Well it could also be that college kids have more on the line if they get in trouble at a game.... they can get kicked out.[/quote]

I think it has to do with the fact that many of the people that attend college games are either current students or alumni of that school. They are invested in those teams and respect the institution enough not to be a jackass. Also, a good deal of families are out there on game day as well. Seems there are more trailer trash rejects at the pro games than a college game. Guess it's because they would have had to go to college in the first place to even want to support college athletics.

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[quote=NC_Skins;825745]I think it has to do with the fact that many of the people that attend college games are either current students or alumni of that school. They are invested in those teams and respect the institution enough not to be a jackass. Also, a good deal of families are out there on game day as well. Seems there are more trailer trash rejects at the pro games than a college game. Guess it's because they would have had to go to college in the first place to even want to support college athletics.[/quote]


I want to say that but didn't want come off snobbish, job well done.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/22/report-49ers-raiders-will-no-longer-meet-in-preseason/]Report: 49ers, Raiders will no longer meet in preseason | ProFootballTalk[/url]

Gee you think

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[quote=NC_Skins;825745]I think it has to do with the fact that many of the people that attend college games are either current students or alumni of that school. They are invested in those teams and respect the institution enough not to be a jackass. Also, a good deal of families are out there on game day as well. Seems there are more trailer trash rejects at the pro games than a college game. Guess it's because they would have had to go to college in the first place to even want to support college athletics.[/quote]

I'm guess it because the people attending the games are educated.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6884942/san-francisco-49ers-ban-some-tailgating-want-no-2012-game-vs-oakland-raiders]San Francisco 49ers to ban some tailgating, want no 2012 game vs. Oakland Raiders - ESPN[/url]

Man where the hell is the security at? Not a peep from the Commish? No surprise

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Just because I am a big NFL fan. Doesn't mean I would want to hurt or kill a person over my team. How dumb can these people get? Hopefully they will bring the person or people of interest to justice. Really feel bad for the people who got shot and their families.

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[quote=NC_Skins;825742]From that same game in SF.


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No cops around for the looooongest time. Yeah, I'll take college game day any day of the week over pro.[/quote]

Found [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WzDvDc0BLg&feature=related"]another[/ame] video of fan fighting. A damn shame.

But on a serious note, I completely agree with everyone that would rather attend a college football game than a NFL game. I think the NCAA has a lot of things that need fixing, but the fan experience on game days isn't one of them. I'd love for alcohol to be banned at NFL games, but we all know that'd never happen.

It's like people say, pro football fans = uneducated, boorish fans that have it ingrained in their heads that going on an alcohol bender is part of the gameday experience. College football fans = smarter, because obviously they attend college or are fans of a CF team through family, and clearly respect the traditions of the college game.

And banning alcohol at games was a smart thing to do because the NCAA knows that it wouldn't impact ticket sales because major universities have enough of a diehard following that they'd go to the games anyways. Imagine how much ticket sales would suffer if the NFL banned alcohol. You'd see a large amount of that casual beer swilling audience disappear, and you'd also lose large amounts of revenue that selling beers provides. A lose-lose situation for the owners.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;825519]Tho only problem I have ever seen at Lions games were fights due to alcohol. I think the NFL would be wise in actually considering dropping the damn beer companies and banning alcohol. A damn football or baseball game should be kid friendly always. I mean seriously, do you want half the adults in the crowd driving back home drunk?[/quote]

Beer company "partnerships" and beer sales at the stadium are SIGNIFICANT contributors to that $9.3B revenue stream that is the NFL. Hard to see that going away anytime soon...

In addition, more than a few folks ENTER the stadium more than half lit from the 5 hours of tailgating before the game. Imagine the lines to get into FedEx if they made everyone pass a breathalyzer test at the gate...

The NFL owners have to begin to look at their stadiums far more critically than most have for the last 20 years. There is more to the game experience than big high-def scoreboards and DJs playing loud music. It is true that TV rights fees pay most of the freight for teams but the fan attendance dollars plus concessions and parking are still important parts of the teams' revenues. And attendance at the 95% level is no longer something lots of teams can count on as a given...

Drunken fans can make the stadium experience very unpleasant even if they do not start shooting at folks or initiate a beat-down in the men's room...

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[quote=NC_Skins;825745]I think it has to do with the fact that many of the people that attend college games are either current students or alumni of that school. They are invested in those teams and respect the institution enough not to be a jackass. Also, a good deal of families are out there on game day as well. Seems there are more trailer trash rejects at the pro games than a college game. Guess it's because they would have had to go to college in the first place to even want to support college athletics.[/quote]

Dont bet on it. I know people who are rabid fans of college teams that have never driven past a college campus let alone attend class at the college they support.

[QUOTE=Chico23231;825840][url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6884942/san-francisco-49ers-ban-some-tailgating-want-no-2012-game-vs-oakland-raiders]San Francisco 49ers to ban some tailgating, want no 2012 game vs. Oakland Raiders - ESPN[/url]

Man where the hell is the security at? Not a peep from the Commish? No surprise[/QUOTE]

He wont say jack because of revenue dollars.

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Not sure I really buy the college crowds are more educated argument either. Has anyone ever tailgated at a college game?? Tons of drinking going on.

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[quote=Mattyk;826112]Not sure I really buy the college crowds are more educated argument either. Has anyone ever tailgated at a college game?? Tons of drinking going on.[/quote]

I don't really buy it either

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I didn't really understand what Jed York meant about the preseason fans vs. regular season fans

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[quote=Mattyk;826112]Not sure I really buy the college crowds are more educated argument either. Has anyone ever tailgated at a college game?? Tons of drinking going on.[/quote]


Are you serious? ...lol

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I assure you that I've been to many college games (even other venues) and have even held season tickets to the pirates.


ps. holy shit a earthquake happened while I was writing this.

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You either misread or just didn't read Matty's post

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[quote=SmootSmack;826119]I don't really buy it either[/quote]


I have been to plenty of pro games and Penn State and MD College games. IMO a big difference, the drinking is there at both places the threat of violence is greater at Pro games.

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Anytime you get large gatherings of drunk males together, there is potential for trouble. I'm really not buying the difference between pro and college. There are morons in every walk of life.

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[quote=mredskins;826183]I have been to plenty of pro games and Penn State and MD College games. IMO a big difference, the drinking is there at both places the threat of violence is greater at Pro games.[/quote]

But I don't think it really has to do with education level.

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[quote=NC_Skins;826161]Are you serious? ...lol

[URL="http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2010/04/12/daily64.html"]Playboy ranks ECU the fifth-best party school in U.S. - Triangle Business Journal[/URL]




I assure you that I've been to many college games (even other venues) and have even held season tickets to the pirates.


ps. holy shit a earthquake happened while I was writing this.[/quote]

um yeah, think we're on the same page with that.

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[quote=SmootSmack;826177]You either misread or just didn't read Matty's post[/quote]

I guess I didn't make my point clear and I got cut off by the earthquake.


Yes, I know there is tons of drinking at college game tailgating. (hence why I posted what I did about the school I attended and work for) I still have yet to see the type of crap that's happened in NFL stadiums happen here. I personally think it's a different class of crowd when it all boils down. I was making a crack about education difference though. That said, most of the people that attend those college games are indeed students or alumni. That would be a good thing to find out. The average education level of college football attendees compared to pro football attendees. Smoot, get your boys on this scooby doo mystery! ;)


What is the average time that the tailgating lots are open on game days in NFL? 5 hours? Our main lots only open 3 hours before the game. Some of the smaller lots ran by locals/schools open earlier.