Trade Clinton Portis
 

Why? He's talented, but we don't need him. Ladell Betts fits into Gibbs' system better.

We could get a lot of talent for Portis...

Think of the Herschel Walker trade.

Betts waits for his blockers..............I don't think I'd trade Portis though...

Think of the giant cap hit

Let's stop this talk right now, LOL

It wouldn't be a cap hit, because his contract wouldn't be ended. It goes to the team acquiring him.

How's this..............we trade Portis back to Denver for Champ Bailey, get a 2nd round draft pick, and Smoot becomes a free agent and Denver picks up Smoot.............

just kidding........because I don't think you can seriously consider this Bozzy......sorry...............

[QUOTE=Bozzy]It wouldn't be a cap hit, because his contract wouldn't be ended. It goes to the team acquiring him.[/QUOTE]


CC might have to give us the final verdict on this, Its not like it is in baseball , I'm 99.9% sure you still take a cap hit.

Portis' cap hit for 2005 is $2.4M.

If we trade him we'll eat $9.6M of dead cap.

In other words, it ain't happening.

[QUOTE=CrazyCanuck]Portis' cap hit for 2005 is $2.4M.

If we trade him we'll eat $9.6M of dead cap.

In other words, it ain't happening.[/QUOTE]

Won't his salary be sent to the team that acquires him?

Fine, then make Portis the backup to Betts.

His bonus would be accelerated to us.

[QUOTE=Bozzy]Won't his salary be sent to the team that acquires him?[/QUOTE]

Yes, but not his prorated signing bonus which would result in the dead cap.

Oh. Kinda puts a damper on the whole trade idea.

Hahaha, I love your sig, BrudLee.

[QUOTE=CrazyCanuck]Yes, but not his prorated signing bonus which would result in the dead cap.[/QUOTE]

Maybe the cap hit would be worth it though...we could get a lot of talented players for Portis...

Wait a minute.

(carry the two)

Nope. We're eliminated.


LOL!!

[QUOTE=Bozzy]Maybe the cap hit would be worth it though...we could get a lot of talented players for Portis...[/QUOTE]


If we didnt have the dead cap space we already have, it could be possible. However, we cant afford what would be about 15-20 in dead cap. Thats way too much.

i was thinking the same way bozzy, portis just doesnt seem to fit this system right now, and ive always been high on betts. i dont know though, portis does have a huge contract and i doubt it would happen

This is just crazy talk, CRAZY!!!!

i think that you all must be smokin' we cant trade cp he's so explosive if only we had a line like denver than he would break those long runs , betts is not a homerun hitter. do you know hoe dangerous we would be if we had a o-line like denver with his long runs and our d with betts pounding away at the end of the game. we would be unstoppable so please stop this crazy talk you all just look silly making those statements.

I think Betts is a better fit for the system, but it's not going to help us finanically by getting rid of Clinton Portis. I think Betts should get more playing time next season, but Portis has helped us out quite a bit (1,300 + yards) and still gives us that added deminsion in our running game. It is good to know that at least for the next season or two, we should have a more than capable guy to step up should Portis get injured.

Might i remind everyone that Betts run on minnosota, and everybody runs on vikings.

1300+ yards on a offense that sucked this year, thats damn good , don't be fooled by 1 good game against a defense that sucks. portis is the man, he aint going nowere. i bet he runs for over 1500 yeards next season

Betts has been running pretty good, not just only against Minnesota. I will say he probably had his best game today.

but to talk about trading a guy they just got and who ran for over 1300 yards and wasn't even utilized the right way is rediculous

if portis would have played today he might have past 1500 yards on the season . he would have been the only player in the history of the nfl to run for 1500 three years in a row. would you all still be talking about trading him? ........ didn't think so.

If Portis started this game he would have found his way to the bench, Bett's was hitting the holes hard not stopping and starting waiting for the red sea to part, as I said when we traded for Portis it was a bad trade because he is a system back, and if Bett's played in that denver system he would have 1500 yards every year, everything I said about this trade when it was happening about Bett's and Portis has come true, Bett's is a far better back for Gibb's system and Portis is exactly the opposite of what Gibb's need's in a back, Portis does not have the toughness or the body to run inside, a 50 million dollar waste, whatever Portis can do Bett's can do better, if they only listened to me, we would have traded Champ for pick's, we would have never traded for Brunell, and we would have a serious defensive line, and offensive line help as well, and I would have never given an outside LB unless he can rush the passer like LT a major contract like we gave Arrington, as we have seen give William's a LB with speed and he will make a football player out of him, those 3 player's are going to cripple our ability to strengthen the rest of our football team for year's to come!

i'll just have to respectfully disagree with you on the portis , betts issue. as far as lavar's contract, i don't think, at the time it was done, was a bad move. he had been selected to the probowl a few times and was clearly the best player we had on d. the skins wanted to make him a redskin for the rest of his career or at least close to it. if not for him getting injured this season who knows what kind of year he would have had.in closing i don't think the contracts of brunnel , portis and arrington cripple the skins ability to improve , i feel getting arrington back healthy, adjusting the offense a little bit to better suit portis and having brunnel as the backup qb strengthens the team

Good news! We have Portis AND Betts AND Gibbs! That means that next year the backs will have to push each other for the starting job. Gibbs will play the best player no matter what they are getting paid. Portis is a great runner and an outstanding blocker. Did you see the block that Betts missed at the end of the game and Ramsey got sacked? These guys are both good for the Redskins. The way Gibbs runs the ball, I'm sure any running back on our team is going to get banged up and need back up. We now have depth!

Add Jansen, a center, and give Bugle and Gibbs another year and I bet the running game will be the envy of the league. :thumb:

Our Offensive line is the problem, people. It sucks. We need to overhaul it big-time, but if we do, we have the rest of the puzzle pieces to be great next year.

[quote]Might i remind everyone that Betts run on minnosota, and everybody runs on vikings.[/quote] AMEN!

Portis is great, we just need to adapt a bit!

[QUOTE=GoSkins!]Good news! We have Portis AND Betts AND Gibbs! :[/QUOTE]

That's exactly the way I would look at it - it is great to have two solid running backs, so lets just end talks about cutting or trading Portis now.

I can't believe this idea is even being entertained. I've said this 1 million times on this site: Betts isn't a power runner. Betts had the best day of his career today and I wasn't particularly impressed. That said: here's some meat.

You all want to make Betts the unquestioned starter next year by trading Clinton Portis...did you know that Betts has less career carries than Portis had [B]this season![/B] Betts' career avg for yards per carry: 4.0, Portis: 4.9.

This year Betts had a higher ypc, but he had 26.2% of the carries Portis had. Just over 1/4 and you all think Betts can carry the load? Answer me a question. Why didn't Betts start last season when Trung went down? He got hurt. Why didn't Betts have a good preseason? He got hurt! He's not durable and he doesn't run that hard. I've noticed several occasions where he stops his legs when he's wrapped up, good runners can break tackles. I see him hit piles and go backwards. I've never seen him step out of a pile and make a decent gain. I saw Portis do it agains the Lions. I haven't seen anything from Ladell Betts that makes me think that he would be a good running back as the starter. I don't even like him as the change of pace.

Portis has run for 4,414 yards and 34 TD's in his career and you want to replace him with a guy who has run for 815 yards and 3 total touchdowns in the [B]same amout of time[/B]...are you on crack?

Cut the whole damn bunch of them. Clearly, we need to start from the ground up. Let's get some big name free agents in here. We need more changes because the changes we made last year didn't work. Obviously, changing things again will work, it always has in the past - Oh wait...

Dear lord, please save us poor Skins fans from ourselves.

That's what I've been saying ever since I started posting on this site JoeRedskin.

Wow. Wilbon is right, us Redskins fans need to get some perspective. Portis is one of the top 5 backs in the game today. He's 23 years old and people are ready to give up on him because he only had 1300 yds on a pathetic offense? Just stop. If he had completely crapped the bed and had 500 yds for the season then may I could see the complaints, but the whole offense stunk. If Betts was the answer then why didn't he do jack against the Cowboys when he needed to get first downs? Oh, can one man not do it all by himself? He needs others to help? Hmm.. It's going to be a long offseason if we have to put up with this crap for 6 months.

[QUOTE=Paintrain]Wow. Wilbon is right, us Redskins fans need to get some perspective. Portis is one of the top 5 backs in the game today. He's 23 years old and people are ready to give up on him because he only had 1300 yds on a pathetic offense? Just stop. If he had completely crapped the bed and had 500 yds for the season then may I could see the complaints, but the whole offense stunk. If Betts was the answer then why didn't he do jack against the Cowboys when he needed to get first downs? Oh, can one man not do it all by himself? He needs others to help? Hmm.. It's going to be a long offseason if we have to put up with this crap for 6 months.[/QUOTE]
Agreed.

When was the last time we had a back run for 1300 yards? I see no reason to trade Portis. I can see some complaints about him, none of them tradeworthy!

With an improved line in front of him next year, a year in the system under his belt, and some modifications to the running game Portis could easily recapture some of his explosive play and go for 1500+ yards and double-digit scores.

Portis is not a problem that needs fixing in the least bit, in fact I hope he's our back for the next 7 years.

Betts looks like a solid backup/spot starter, but let's not get out of control here. He had a nice day against a flat out bad Minnesota defense. That's not going to impress me enough to say we should trade our franchise RB.

That would be like the Colts thinking they could trade Manning after their rookie backup QB came in and played well today. It's nonsense and not even worth talking about at length.

You don't pay a guy Portis-type money and not start him.

You don't say we have too much inconsistency and make a move like that.

You don't look at one game against the worst defense in the league and make the guy a starter for running well.

Portis is the man and at the end will hold all redskin rushing records
betts did have a nice game though

[QUOTE=jdlea]I've noticed several occasions where he stops his legs when he's wrapped up, good runners can break tackles. I see him hit piles and go backwards. I've never seen him step out of a pile and make a decent gain.[/QUOTE]

Are you blind, or did you not watch the fucking game? He broke tons of tackles and never stopped. For Christsakes, he got hit 5 yards shy of a first down and bullied his way for the first. Has Portis done that against anybody? No. If Portis doesn't have an open lane to run, he can't do shit.