Where does D. Hall rate as a CB for the Redskins all time?
 

I'm just interested how the rest of the community feels about D. Hall and his place on the Redskins. Do you think he is a great addition, and praise him for his efforts on the field?

Do you think he's overrated? Does he not live up to the hype? I'm interested on what the community thinks. I personally think he's one of the best DB's to walk into Washington. Does he give up big plays? Sure, but what DB doesn't? This is the NFL, and big plays are bound to happen, broken coverages happen.

Anyways.. What do you think?

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#1 Green
#2 Baily
#X Hall

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I like D Hall, very good player, I except that every once and awhile you will be beaten. Please don't ask GTripp0012 how he feels D Hall must of bullied him in School or something. LOL

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[quote=saden1;828372]#1 Green
#2 Baily
#X Hall[/quote]

Agreed. I think Shawn Springs in his first couple of years with us was better than DeAngelo. DeAngelos a gambler makes a great decision one play and an awful one the next (ie ravens game: Int for TD; Lee Evans long TD catch.)

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[quote=saden1;828372]#1 Green
[B]#2 Baily[/B]
#X Hall[/quote]

Agree on all. #2 Bailey

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[quote=saden1;828372]#1 Green
#2 Baily
#X Hall[/quote]

You must be thinking the best in the last 15 yrs..I personally don't like Hall that much...not even sure he should be a pro-bowler.

Green and Bailey were the best in the league at some point in their careers, Hall may have been 5th or 10th best at his best. Just think, at one point the crappy Raiders didn't want him anymore...he's really not that great...sure he makes flashy picks, but no one is really afraid to throw on him

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[quote=CultBrennan59;828375]Agreed. I think Shawn Springs in his first couple of years with us was better than DeAngelo. DeAngelos a gambler makes a great decision one play and an awful one the next (ie ravens game: Int for TD; Lee Evans long TD catch.)[/quote]

Forgot about Springs, first few years as a SKIN was great to.

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Hall couldn't even hold Pat Fisher's jock, he wishes he was half the player Fisher was.

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[quote=skinsnut;828377]You must be thinking the best in the last 15 yrs..I personally don't like Hall that much...not even sure he should be a pro-bowler.

Green and Bailey were the best in the league at some point in their careers, Hall may have been 5th or 10th best at his best. Just think, at one point the crappy Raiders didn't want him anymore...he's really not that great...sure he makes flashy picks, but no one is really afraid to throw on him[/quote]

Well the Raiders comparison is not really a fair one. A lot of players leave Oakland to have better careers. Two totally different schemes as well

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;828373]I like D Hall, very good player, I except that every once and awhile you will be beaten. Please don't ask GTripp0012 how he feels D Hall must of bullied him in School or something. LOL[/quote]I guess I don't understand the strong emotional connection between Joe Fan and DeAngelo Hall. If Kedric Golston, a Redskin of five years and his entire football career gets cut, no one cries a single tear for him. If hooskins, 53 fan, or SlinginSammy33 expresses displeasure with a play Hall made, it's because he took their lunch money.

There is a deep emotional connection between many people who root for the Redskins and Hall. I don't have an emotional tie to Hall, or really any other current player beyond what they do for us on Sundays. And that makes this vocal minority very, very different.

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I like D Hall, but I would not consider him an all time great. I like what he brings to the table for sure. If we had his playmaking ability combined with the coverage skills of Carlos Rogers, then we would be talking "great".

As it stands now I would rather have the guy who takes chances, picks the ball off and sometimes give up the big play rather than someone who rarely allows a catch, but rarely gets a turnover.

I love the fact that he can swing the momentum in a game, but I don't think that he would be on my "ALL REDSKINS" squad considering the other talented CB's that we have had in our rich history. He may make the team based on his returning ability.

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Pro-football-reference.com ranks him 34th among defensive backs in Redskins History by approximate value. They do not separate by corners and safeties. AV does not consider seasons before 1950. Sorry, old timers.

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/was/career-av.htm]Washington Redskins Career Approximate Value Register - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

They rank him ahead of recent players like Ryan Clark, Reed Doughty, Deion Sanders, Walt Harris, and Matt Bowen. So, basically, he's a more accomplished Redskin than those guys.

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Green , Pat Fisher , Springs , Bailey . L. Parrish , Joe Lavender and Garo Yaprimian's favorite .... Mike Bass .

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[quote=GTripp0012;828381]I guess I don't understand the strong emotional connection between Joe Fan and DeAngelo Hall. If Kedric Golston, a Redskin of five years and his entire football career gets cut, no one cries a single tear for him. If hooskins, 53 fan, or SlinginSammy33 expresses displeasure with a play Hall made, it's because he took their lunch money.

There is a deep emotional connection between many people who root for the Redskins and Hall. I don't have an emotional tie to Hall, or really any other current player beyond what they do for us on Sundays. And that makes this vocal minority very, very different.[/quote]

The funny thing is Hall is more beloved than Riggins and Theismann on this board, guys that won SB's.

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[quote=budw38;828387]Green , Pat Fisher , Springs , Bailey . L. Parrish , Joe Lavender and Garo Yaprimian's favorite .... Mike Bass .[/quote]

Very good list. I would definitely slip Hall in Springs place though.

Green
Bailey
L.Parrish
J.Lavender
D.Hall

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[quote=12thMan;828390]Very good list. I would definitely slip Hall in Springs place though.

Green
Bailey
L.Parrish
J.Lavender
D.Hall[/quote]
I just wish we had 2/ 3 of them in there primes for the next 10 years !

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;828388]The funny thing is Hall is more beloved than Riggins and Theismann on this board, guys that won SB's.[/quote]Well, I get that one, it's because Hall is a current player in the internet age, and Riggins and Theismann haven't played for the Redskins in 25 years.

I don't get why Hall is more beloved than London Fletcher though. That one confuses me. I'd guess the local connection, but still, it boggles the mind beyond that.

Is there a Fletcher detractor section of fan base? Like, guys who just wish the team would move on from aging no. 59? Fletcher and Moss are universally beloved players. I think the general consensus is that DHall belongs amongst this category. And that the natural reaction to someone saying "wait a second, Fletcher and Moss have had way better Redskins careers than Hall," is to simply pout and cry foul.

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[quote=GTripp0012;828396]Well, I get that one, it's because Hall is a current player in the internet age, and Riggins and Theismann haven't played for the Redskins in 25 years.

I don't get why Hall is more beloved than London Fletcher though. That one confuses me. I'd guess the local connection, but still, it boggles the mind beyond that.

Is there a Fletcher detractor section of fan base? Like, guys who just wish the team would move on from aging no. 59? Fletcher and Moss are universally beloved players. I think the general consensus is that DHall belongs amongst this category. And that the natural reaction to someone saying "wait a second, Fletcher and Moss have had way better Redskins careers than Hall," is to simply pout and cry foul.[/quote]

Because I would put D. Halls career with the Redskins right up there with Moss, and Fletcher.

You really cant compare the 3 though since it's all different positions though

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I like Hall, and I like the picks and fumbles he brings to the table, but he doesn't rank amongst the best in all of Redskins history. I wish we had a really old time presence at this table, someone who could tell us what Dan Sandifer brought to the table because any guy that had 13 picks in a season had to be good, and he also is in a first place tie for picks in a game with 4 as well.

In order to be ranked amongst the best, you need to qualify in several areas. Longevity, health issues, and most importantly, play on the field. I'm forgetting some here, but I think those are the main ones. D.Hall has local ties being from VT obviously, so I'm sure that counts in his favor, but he hasn't been here that long in the grand scheme of things, and he's very inconsistent with his play on the field.

Like I said, I love the fact that he consistently produces turnovers for us, although not as much as say an Ed Reed, Polamalu, or Asante Samuel brings to the table. But he still consistently gives up big plays, as much, if not more, than the turnovers he produces. That's why he doesn't make my list, because his impact on the team is neutralized when you factor in the plays he makes versus the plays he gives up. I don't have a hate boner for the guy like Gtripp does, but let's be serious. I think it worked with him and Rogers because Rogers was a steady presence at the other corner spot. He didn't give up a lot of big plays but he didn't make a lot of big plays either. Now with uncertainty at the other corner spot his mistakes are being magnified. And yes we overpaid for him, he's not worth big money. I think we'll go out and probably seek another upgrade at corner next season.

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[quote=Bucket;828397]Because would put D. Halls career with the Redskins right up there with Moss, and Fletcher.

You really cant compare the 3 though since it's all different positions though[/quote]But Fletcher and Moss have been much more successful Redskins. And they've been here longer.

I realize your thread is not asking to compare Hall to players of other positions. To answer your question, Hall is very much the most accomplished Redskins CB who is still on the roster. Is he more accomplished than Carlos Rogers who started for most 5 seasons or Shawn Springs who also started for most of 5 seasons? Not for at least two more seasons he's not.

Is he more accomplished as a Redskin than Justin Tryon, Kevin Barnes, Leigh Torrence, or Byron Westbrook. Well, yeah. Hall is more of a Redskin (in the historical sense) than those players will ever be. But who was asking?

Would you take Hall over Fred Smoot? I'm really not a big Fred Smoot guy, at all. But how many seasons did Smoot start for us as our leading interceptor? It was more than Hall. So at what point do we say even Fred Smoot has had a more accomplished Redskins career than Hall, even though Hall has had a better career to date than Smoot.

All of this is why I feel this thread is a bit silly. Comparing Hall to historical Redskins greats completely bypasses the fact that he wouldn't start on the All-Snyder Redskins team because of the time logged at starting corner by Bailey, Smoot, Rogers, and Springs over the last 12 years. Each one of those players were 5 season starters for us. Hall's fifth season here is 2012, assuming he's even on the roster then. Asking me to grade Hall on seasons that haven't happened yet is not something I'm comfortable doing.

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Oh hey, this just rolled across Twitter. I haven't read it yet, but its Matt Bowen, so you know its good.

[url=http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Breaking-down-Halls-picksix-vs-Baltimore.html]Breaking down Hall's 'pick-six' vs. Baltimore | National Football Post[/url]

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1# All time no brainer Green
#2 Champ Bailey no brainer again
#3 recent memory Fred Smoot(first stint with us)
#4 recent memory D Hall
#5 recent memory Chris Dishman

When Smoot first came on the scene with Champ we had the best dynamic duo of CBs in the NFL. Hall is the big play guy, and I did think Dishman was a pretty consistent CB when he was teamed up with Darrell. In fact I would have thought about putting Dishman over Hall if it weren't for Hall's pick 6 threat. I think the Skins have had solid CBs tandems for a long time, just we have had bad luck with safeties minus Sean Talyor of course. Hopefully Landry can reverse this.

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If anyone's wondering, I have Fred Davis at no. 12 on my list of all-time best Redskins TEs. He could reasonably jump Stephen Alexander with a good year.

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Big hall guy but idk about all time great skin just yet

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Where does the community have Rod Gardner amongst all-time Redskins WRs? I say 11th. How about you?

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[quote=GTripp0012;828409]Where does the community have Rod Gardner amongst all-time Redskins WRs? I say 11th. How about you?[/quote]

I think the more important question is where does Anthony Mix rank?! LOL.

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[quote=Ruhskins;828411]I think the more important question is where does Anthony Mix rank?! LOL.[/quote]That's easy. 54th, right between Reche Caldwell and Joey Galloway.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;828373][B]I like D Hall, very good player, I except that every once and awhile you will be beaten. [/B] Please don't ask GTripp0012 how he feels D Hall must of bullied him in School or something. LOL[/quote]

Preach

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U gotta admitt Tripp that Hall has played some of his best ball here in DC. Is Hall in the top 5 CB all time in DC? I think he has to do a little more to be considered. But he contributed a couple unforgettable moments as a skin...The dallas strip, the J Cutler game and probowl MVP are significant moments. Kinda wish people would celebrate it and not try to bring the guy down.

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[quote=GTripp0012;828405]If anyone's wondering, I have Fred Davis at no. 12 on my list of all-time best Redskins TEs. He could reasonably jump Stephen Alexander with a good year.[/quote]

Why would we talk about that in a D. Hall thread, or why does it have anything to do with D. Hall? lol... Do you hate D. Hall that much, that you have to hijcak his thread?

Funny stuff man.. Fred Smoot wasn't even a #1 or #2 CB, but he did manage to pop the roster in that spot because of the lackluster talent we had at this position for such a long time

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[quote=GTripp0012;828402]Oh hey, this just rolled across Twitter. I haven't read it yet, but its Matt Bowen, so you know its good.

[url=http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Breaking-down-Halls-picksix-vs-Baltimore.html]Breaking down Hall's 'pick-six' vs. Baltimore | National Football Post[/url][/quote]

It must be pointed out that Hall is 50/50 at best. He read the same route Evens burned him. When it's pretty it's pretty, and when it is ugly it's really ugly.

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hmmm you guys seem to be leaving out ade jimoh on your lists here....

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I would like to suggest that you do not raise the ire of.............The Ade.

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[quote=doughtydoubter;828429]hmmm you guys seem to be leaving out ade jimoh on your lists here....[/quote]

:rofl:

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D Hall get burnt to much for me. I don't know where to place him. If starts covering better I'll put him in the top 5.

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This really warrented it's own thread? I thought it was discussed at length in the other thread. Wasn't the conclusion from the other thread that anyone is better then D.Hall? I was pretty sure someone said something like they would have prefered to have kept Rogers and let Hall go. lol.

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As a cover corner he's way down the list. As a playmaker he's right up at the top of the list. Hall is a great playmaking corner, no one can question that. The guy has great hands and could probably be a damn good wr. But his main job is to COVER, which he simply can not do very well. I'm not sure why cause he has the skills to do it but for what ever reason he doesn't. He couldn't even cover Danny Amendola. And don't get me started on his tackling skills. He's still trying to find his jock when Jake Delhomme made him look silly.

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Hall hasn't surpassed Shawn Springs yet.

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[quote=doughtydoubter;828429]hmmm you guys seem to be leaving out ade jimoh on your lists here....[/quote]

:laughing2

I think it's a little too soon to rank D. Hall among all the CB's who have played here. He still has time to play and improve. Oh....and tell that bastard I want my lunch money back!