Kudos to the Skins 2011 Draft
 

I made this thread to say congrats to Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen for having only 6 draft picks, and trading to get 12 draft picks, and with those 12 draft picks, 9 of the 12 made the team. The 3 that didn't make the team are now on the PS and all have promise and potential compared to previous drafts under Zorn/Cerrato and Cerrato/Gibbs.

It finally looks like this team is headed in the right direction.

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Let's wait a year to see if it was worth keeping them all around.

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I'll second that. Don't want to crap on your thread but it's a little premature to say congrats because we still don't have any idea if these guys will pan out. The indications are good so far but preseason and regular season are very different. If this thread was started 3 years from the draft when most of the picks made the team and were regular contributors then this thread would be well deserved.

True bro, but i am more hopeful this season than for more than i care to remember.

At last we seem to have a coherent plan going forward and i for one am optomistic improvement will be manifest.

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It's been 30 years since 1981.

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[quote=mooby;830817]I'll second that. Don't want to crap on your thread but it's a little premature to say congrats because we still don't have any idea if these guys will pan out. The indications are good so far but preseason and regular season are very different. If this thread was started 3 years from the draft when most of the picks made the team and were regular contributors then this thread would be well deserved.[/quote]

Barring injury, two players are locks to be studs: Kerrigan and Jenkins.
Another two are likely to be studs: Helu and Hank
Then you have four guys with promise: White, Thompson, Gomes, and Neild.

Not to mention that Shanahan has relatively rigorous standards to make his teams compared to those fellas running the show in 2008.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;830820]Barring injury, two players are locks to be studs: Kerrigan and Jenkins.
Another two are likely to be studs: Helu and Hank
Then you have four guys with promise: White, Thompson, Gomes, and Neild.

Not to mention that Shanahan has relatively rigorous standards to make his teams compared to those fellas running the show in 2008.[/quote]

dont forget niles. it looks like hes in favor of hank at this point.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;830820]Barring injury, two players are locks to be studs: Kerrigan and Jenkins.
Another two are likely to be studs: [B]Helu and Hank[/B]
Then you have four guys with promise: White, Thompson, Gomes, and Neild.

Not to mention that Shanahan has relatively rigorous standards to make his teams compared to those fellas running the show in 2008.[/quote]

Helu yes, Hank, let's hold off on that -- DT and MK were supposed to be studs as well but little things kept them from getting to even serviceable players. Right now, hank has got the 'little thing' bug - namely, catching the ball which is kind of a big thing for a WR

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[quote=rbanerjee23;830822]Helu yes, Hank, let's hold off on that -- DT and MK were supposed to be studs as well but little things kept them from getting to even serviceable players. Right now, hank has got the 'little thing' bug - namely, catching the ball which is kind of a big thing for a WR[/quote]

Only due to shoddy analysis and "hope" were Kelly and Thomas ever deemed to be serviceable from the get-go. Thomas was known to be raw and project and Kelly was known to be "cursed" with injuries.

Besides likely is around 60-80% in this context. I already considered the possibility of failure.

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Very true that you all say we should 'hold off' before we say this was a good draft. But 75% of our draft picks made our roster this year. That hasn't happend in quite some time.

Plus you look at last years draft and you have:
Trent Williams- our LT for the next 10 years @least
Perry Riley- Good depth player and STer
Terrence Austin- Has shown promise
Erik Cook- made our roster as depth at C

Dennis Morris and Selvish Capers are our only bust picks.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;830826]Very true that you all say we should 'hold off' before we say this was a good draft. But 75% of our draft picks made our roster this year. That hasn't happend in quite some time.

Plus you look at last years draft and you have:
Trent Williams- our LT for the next 10 years @least
Perry Riley- Good depth player and STer
Terrence Austin- Has shown promise
Erik Cook- made our roster as depth at C

Dennis Morris and Selvish Capers are our only bust picks.[/quote]

Ummmm, I think we had 100% draft retention in 2008. You know, that really bad draft class....

For reference: [url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2008/draft/teams/redskins.html]SI.com - 2008 NFL Draft - Washington Redskins Draft Picks[/url]

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Glad they finally got it but they should've done this when they took over. These guys have to get on the field and play regular season games before we know anything. Got to give it a couple of years before we know if this is a good draft. But I like the direction they're going in.

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Kudos to the Skins 2011 Draft

Amen.....Brother

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So far so good for this draft class.

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We are heading in the right direction.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;830819]It's been 30 years since 1981.[/quote]

I would be thrilled if Kerrigan and Jenkins turned into the defensive equivalent of Mark May and Russ Grimm.

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vinny kept his entire last draft, which was also pretty big... and 2 years later fred davis is the last (and only) man standing... so let's make sure they can play first ;).

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The 2008 class had an entirely different feel to it. The general response from the fan community was "WTF???" Very much a Vinny draft. In 2011, we had solid picks from pretty much top to bottom. Interestingly, the pick I rremember everyone grousing about was Jenkins b/c of his poor reps in the weight room.

Hmmm. Maybe this group watched tape, instead of headlines, to do their draft research.

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I refuse to use the word "kudos" unless I grow a pony tail or a uterus.

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[quote=That Guy;830848]vinny kept his entire last draft, which was also pretty big... and 2 years later fred davis is the last (and only) man standing... so let's make sure they can play first ;).[/quote]

and Rob Jackson. Who has looked pretty beastly in preseason. --- Just a random thought, how's this for 3rd down & long 4-3 set: Kerrigan, Orakpo at DE, Cofield, Bowen at DT; Fletcher MLB w/ Jackson and White outside.

Let the offenses try to figure where the pressure is going to come from.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;830853]I refuse to use the word "kudos" unless I grow a pony tail [B]or a uterus[/B].[/quote]

LOL :lol: Do that and you'll have something special there.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;830854]and Rob Jackson. Who has looked pretty beastly in preseason. --- Just a random thought, how's this for 3rd down & long 4-3 set: Kerrigan, Orakpo at DE, Cofield, Bowen at DT; Fletcher MLB w/ Jackson and White outside.

Let the offenses try to figure where the pressure is going to come from.[/quote]
That would resemble the " grits blits "http://www.profootballresearchers.org/Coffin_Corner/20-06-777.pdf or maybe the 85 bears [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/46_defense]46 defense - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]. I don't expect that kind of success at this point , but would love to see us rack up 45 plus sacks this year .

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[quote=JoeRedskin;830854]and Rob Jackson. Who has looked pretty beastly in preseason. --- Just a random thought, how's this for 3rd down & long 4-3 set: Kerrigan, Orakpo at DE, Cofield, Bowen at DT; Fletcher MLB w/ Jackson and White outside.

Let the offenses try to figure where the pressure is going to come from.[/quote]

Lorenzo Alexander would probably adapt to a 4-3 LB better than White. LOL.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=5110&type=team]National Football League: NFL Draft History - by Team[/url]

Very true about the 08 draft, but if you remember around that time, Durant Brooks was cut during the season and Nick Frost was the better punter in that competition, Colt Brennan (MY BOY!) never played a single snap in the NFL and Zorn just had him just to have a 3rd QB(Daniel played better than Colt, but again it was a draft pick over an undrafted), Rob Jackson was put on the PS either that year or the year after, Rinehart never played and was a Malcolm Kelly in terms of always being injured. Speaking of Malcolm, he never played, nor did DT, and I remember Zorn saying they wouldnt see much or any playing time that year because they needed to develope...Bullsh!t, he just didn't have faith in them nor did he think they were good after he had them on his team.

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I agree on holding off on labeling this draft class a success. That said, it sure does feel like we didn't waste picks. This was the first year we didn't win the offseason super bowl and it's a good feeling. I'd rather us have gradual demonstrated progression instead of the quick fix. If we have a couple draft classes of solid picks and fill in with value veterans we'll be a contender.

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I mean, I like kerrigan (reminds me of aaron kampman in a way), jenkins (and did on draft day too), helu, and g(n)omes, and they've looked good. I'm not sold on hankerson, but WRs can take a couple years, I just don't remember very many guys overcoming the 50/50 disease, so I'll wait on judgement.

still 2 long term starters and 3 long term backups is a good haul... I don't think helu can be a #1 back in a normal running offense, but in the one cut zone scheme, he should take less hits and find more open lanes to sprint through untouched and be effective.

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lets see if some of them can translate to on the field success. Playing against starters in this league week in week out is a bit of a challenge, especially for a rook. but I agree, i am more optimistic than I have been in some time.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;830879][url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=5110&type=team]National Football League: NFL Draft History - by Team[/url]

Very true about the 08 draft, but if you remember around that time, Durant Brooks was cut during the season and Nick Frost was the better punter in that competition, Colt Brennan (MY BOY!) never played a single snap in the NFL and Zorn just had him just to have a 3rd QB(Daniel played better than Colt, but again it was a draft pick over an undrafted), Rob Jackson was put on the PS either that year or the year after, Rinehart never played and was a Malcolm Kelly in terms of always being injured. Speaking of Malcolm, he never played, nor did DT, and I remember Zorn saying they wouldnt see much or any playing time that year because they needed to develope...[B]Bullsh!t, he just didn't have faith in them nor did he think they were good after he had them on his team[/B].[/quote]

Not quite sure of your point. "He didn't have faith in them"? How does that contradict Zorn's statement that they needed to develop. Are you attempting to defend the talent level of any of the picks? Jackson has taken three years to develop. Kelly, Rinehart and Brennan are out of football and are not coming back. DT is a returner and nothing more after having been cut by that offensively loaded team the Panthers. Brooks over Frost was a sitution where you keep the draft pick in hopes of development. For the record both Frost and Brooks are now out of football.

2008 was a sucky draft and that fact was obvious almost from the first time the rookies put on pads.

2011 may end up with the same fate (2 actives after 3 years), but I am thinking it shows a LOT more promise right now than the 2008 did at this time. But for Jenkins injury, two rookies would be starting and one would be expected (Jenkins) to be playing very well. That just wasn't true of the 2008 class.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;830852]The 2008 class had an entirely different feel to it. The general response from the fan community was "WTF???" Very much a Vinny draft. In 2011, we had solid picks from pretty much top to bottom. [B]Interestingly, the pick I rremember everyone grousing about was Jenkins b/c of his poor reps in the weight room. [/B]

Hmmm. Maybe this group watched tape, instead of headlines, to do their draft research.[/quote]

I never understood that. I really don't care if guys are weight room warriors. This is football, not a strong man competition. Jenkins was having the best camp out of everyone. Such a shame that he got hurt.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;830854]and Rob Jackson. Who has looked pretty beastly in preseason. --- Just a random thought, how's this for 3rd down & long 4-3 set: Kerrigan, Orakpo at DE, Cofield, Bowen at DT; Fletcher MLB w/ Jackson and White outside.

Let the offenses try to figure where the pressure is going to come from.[/quote]

I think Jackson has really benefited from the switch to a 3-4. He actually looked better rushing the passer than Kerrigan. And White the other night was just like a monster out there. Now let's see it against the Giants!

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[quote=That Guy;830848]vinny kept his entire last draft, which was also pretty big... and 2 years later fred davis is the last (and only) man standing... so let's make sure they can play first ;).[/quote]

This. Shanallen drafted the guys and then decided to keep them. No surprise here.

The question which remains to be answered is: can they play in real games? Other teams determine the answer to this question, not Shanallen.

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I hate to say it, but I'm not sold yet. Kerrigan looks solid, Jenkins looked like a beast, but knee problems on a 315 lb man is scary to me, and I'm not sure if he'll come back. I don't like helu. The kid has great balance and speed, but seems to not have good decision making abilities and isn't the best at slipping out of tackles. I'm wait and see on everyone else. I'm hopeful on hankerson, but not holding my breath on anyone else.

I might not be sold, but at least I'm encouraged, and hopeful.

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[quote=skinster;831023]I hate to say it, but I'm not sold yet. Kerrigan looks solid, Jenkins looked like a beast, but knee problems on a 315 lb man is scary to me, and I'm not sure if he'll come back. I don't like helu. The kid has great balance and speed, but seems to not have good decision making abilities and isn't the best at slipping out of tackles. I'm wait and see on everyone else. I'm hopeful on hankerson, but not holding my breath on anyone else.

I might not be sold, but at least I'm encouraged, and hopeful.[/quote]

One thing that stands out to me is how many people we release get claimed. NE had 4 or 5 guys claimed by other teams. When that starts happening to us, I'll know that we're drafting well.

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[quote=VegasSkinsFan;831031]One thing that stands out to me is how many people we release get claimed. NE had 4 or 5 guys claimed by other teams. When that starts happening to us, I'll know that we're drafting well.[/quote]

Well we had Hicks and Dockery, granted they were scheme fit cuts, but my point is that those type of claims happen every year. Tryon went to the Colts and performed. I think, but not sure 1 or 2 others of our cuts were picked up as well. One team's trash is another's treasure.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;830854]and Rob Jackson. Who has looked pretty beastly in preseason. --- Just a random thought, how's this for 3rd down & long 4-3 set: Kerrigan, Orakpo at DE, Cofield, Bowen at DT; Fletcher MLB w/ Jackson and White outside.

Let the offenses try to figure where the pressure is going to come from.[/quote]

I LOVE THIS! I think I'm actually drooling....

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[quote=53Fan;831051]I LOVE THIS! I think I'm actually drooling....[/quote]

I wouldn't be surprised if we play a lot of 2-5 on 3rd & long with Cofield and Bowen down linemen and Fletcher, Kerrigan, Orakpo, Jackson and White bouncing around the LB positions & flashing pressures.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;831146]I wouldn't be surprised if we play a lot of 2-5 on 3rd & long with Cofield and Bowen down linemen and Fletcher, Kerrigan, Orakpo, Jackson and White bouncing around the LB positions & flashing pressures.[/quote]
Wouldn't surprise me either , though i would expect to see Fletcher replaced with a DB ( Doughty / Gomes ) and use them or landry as pass rushers .

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[quote=skinster;831023]I hate to say it, but I'm not sold yet. Kerrigan looks solid, Jenkins looked like a beast, but knee problems on a 315 lb man is scary to me, and I'm not sure if he'll come back. I don't like helu. The kid has great balance and speed, but seems to not have good decision making abilities and isn't the best at slipping out of tackles. I'm wait and see on everyone else. I'm hopeful on hankerson, but not holding my breath on anyone else.

I might not be sold, but at least I'm encouraged, and hopeful.[/quote]

My thoughts exactly..

I think it's more a matter of trying to create a new atmosphere with new faces and hoping that whoever doesn't stick has earned value in the league.

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This was a really good class, by our standards. No pro-Redskins fluff required: they did a good job.

With that said, if you look at the construction of the 53 man roster, you can see how much they had to stretch things to keep all the talent they drafted. The very truth is our WR class (and probably Helu/Royster as well at RB) just won't have much production this season simply because of the way the roster is built. There is limited opportunity for guys like Hankerson and Austin to get on the field and produce. They are blocked. When rebuilding, blocked prospects are better than released prospects. But still. We won't be able to judge the quality of this class in only a year or two.

Kerrigan is in line for significant playing time, and hopefully we get something out of Gomes and Thompson as well. On the offensive side, I think we all know the principals are Hightower, Young, Cooley, Davis, Gaffney, Moss, and Armstrong. We'll sink or swim with those guys this year, barring injury, no one else is likely to see the field on more than just a "take a breather" basis.

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I think they did a great job of picking players in the draft. One, when is the last time we had 7 picks? not alone have 13 at one point and ending with 12. I shows fans a commitment to building and getting younger and competing on an annual basis. I applaud the players they SEEM to have found. Round by round I think they did really good. Kerrigan and Jenkins are starters this year (Jenkins to IR, but I think he would have been the starter) Hankerson looks to be a keeper from the 3rd round. Helu is listed as 2nd RB from the 4th round. Gomes made the 53 man roster and looked good and may be the eventual FS from the 5th round. Royster and Aldrickson are on the practice squad (Royster is solid and hopefully if we can't use him this year, we can trade him for a 6th rounder next year) Neild and White from the 7th made the 53 man roster, Neild is going to be one of those motor guys that contributes and rotates in and out, White could be the same.

It may be early, but I have to give this organiztion credit for drafting 12 guys, and apparently picking 12 guys that may have a spot on this team for years to come.