Offensive Coordinator
 

I wondering if you guys think the redskins need to go after the offensive coordinator of usc trojans. do you see what he has done with bush and those receivers. imagine what he can do with portis, coles and co. we desperately need a new offensive genius that can take advantage of our talent. just think matt leinart has an average arm patrick has an incredible arm and need to work a little bit on his accuracy. Let me know what do you all think. with a high powered offense to go along with our explosive defense and folks you have the 2005 super bowl champs.

First Ramsey's accuracy isnt that bad. After he took over for Brunell Ramsey had a 65% completion percentage, and in the games that he started he had a QB rating of 82.6, which isnt bad given it was he first 7 starts in a brand new offense.

Second, I say give Gibbs a chance to tweek the offense, I dont believe that bringing in a new O-coordinator will help. Remember we want stability and consistancy, not a turnover in personel or with the coaching staff.

Norm Chow is a real good coach but he is more of a west coast offense guy. Thats a different philosphy from Gibbs's one back vertical offense(at leat thats how it used to be). I would like to see somebody from the chiefs, vikings or colts staff comeover. That more similiar to what gibbs is trying to do.

He's not so west coast that the trojans base their offense around timing routes and slants... Chow's offensive philosophy is pretty complex, maximizing strengths against opponent weaknesses. SC just has the talent to make it all work- a grinding running back (White) to keep defenses honest, big and speedy receivers who run all types of routes around secondaries, tight ends who can catch forty yard bombs, and a mini-Marshall Faulk (Bush) that can take an off tackle all the way down, run a wheel route for a score, or finish a fly route designed for most speed receivers.

Much like Gibbs' offenses, Chow's all begins with the run. The playbook opens up from there and his brain is like an advanced chess game once he figures the defense out. He sees what defenses are trying to do within the first series of each game... he probably knows which part of the opposition is most easily exploited by game day. His football IQ is matched by very few offensive minds in the history of the game, but it all means nothing if he doesn't have the talent to make it happen.

If he came in tomorrow for the Skins, our offense wouldn't turn 180 that quickly. We'd definitely need more playmakers on offense- but if you have them, Chow knows exactly how to utilize them. The immediate improvement would be Ramsey's play... he's coming along well, but Chow is a quarterback's fantasy coach. He's made good quarterbacks great... developed most of them into those ready for the NFL (Young, Palmer, Leinart, McMahon, Rivers). I can only imagine how good Ramsey's vision and arm will be with Chow's instruction.

It's a risk banking on a college coach's history to succeed in the pros, but if you watch the Trojan offense- it has the feel of a the Rams of a few years back and the Colts of today. I'm pretty sure he'd be successful on this level.

Jiminy Christmas. So we need an offensive coordinator now. Why if old Norm Chow had been on the team from the start this year, we would have had a magnificent passing game, the pass protection would have been reminiscent of the Hogs', Portis would have gained perhaps 2,000 yards - it would have been great! So, yes, step aside Mr. Three Super Bowl Trophy, Hall of Fame coach, step aside for Norm Chow from USC!

Well, maybe we don't NEED an offensive coordinator, but, just as Gregg Williams gave Gibbs a valuable assistant who could build modern defense, maybe an innovative OC would help. Remember, in his first stint, Gibbs had an OC (Henning) who helped him to his first Superbowl. I have been hearing good things about Chow and think he probably would be a good fit for Joe - someone to help kickstart Joe's own creative juices and apply them to the modern game. As for the fact that Chow has had college success and no pro experience, I guess I think that applies more to head coaches than coordinators. With Joe as HC, I don't think Chow's lack of pro experience would be a significant factor.

To me, hiring someone like Chow is a win win for both Gibbs and Chow. Gibbs gets a new, fresh brain to pick and Chow gets pro experience.

Wow... I've convinced myself of what a great move this would be!! Someone get Danny boy to fire up ol' Redskins 1 and sign that man up!

I've been harping for an offensive coordinator for a bit. I think Gibbs deserves another year, but I wouldn't cry if we decided to get a coordinator by any means.

I would also like someone with NFL experience if we go after them.

I don't think a new offensive coordinator will come aboard. "Offensive Advisor" would most likely be the title of an offensive guy brought in.

I think you guys have me misunderstood. I know the Gibbs has one 3 super bowls with his offense in tact. He's been away from the game a pretty long time. We all know the the game is not the same the players are bigger and much faster than back in the early 90's. All I'm saying is that the offense need some changing I mean the offense did look terrible at the beginning of the year it did change towards the end. We need someone who can use our talent wisely. Portis is not a big grind it out kind of a back. Portis has to be used like Bush is used at USC(chow). I mean portis is probably the fastest back in the league and it is a shame that we can't use him correctly. we do have betts to do that but what if we had portis breaking those homeruns on opposing defenses week in and week out. Like I said we have a super bowl defense and we can't give them over 20 points a game to win the game. I's convinced Chow is the man to do that. He's very smart and uses talent well. All you know have talent we just don't have the person to use it. I did not say get rid of gibbs but give him some help.

It's worth discussing but I really doubt a coordinator will be brought in.

Norm Chow is a mega-quality coach who could help any team in the league. I don't understand how he hasn't gotten a HC job at the college level yet. I think Gibbs is the kind of guy who would bring in anyone to do anything if he thought it would help. He is not above saying that he needs help. That said I don't see it happening.

ANother guy out there that the SKins absolutly should go after is Terry Donahue. The GM just fired from SF is a very good talent evaluator and would be a tremendous addition to the front office and could take some pressure off of Gibbs. I believe Gibbs would actually have to hire him given his contractual power.

Didn't Donahue get canned for some questionable draft and cap management methods?

Here are last offseason's noteable hits: Cooley, Taylor, Washington, Springs, Griffin, Portis

Misses: Brunell, Barrow

Not a bad offseason at all in my opinion. 6 impact players, 1 really bad decision in Brunell and I'd grade Barrow incomplete due to injury. So, is personnel really an issue??

Donahue got canned because York is a bad owner. Given situations where he actually has a chance to be successful he has been.

We can't totally 'scrap the playbook', but I think there's some work to be done with our playcallling. I think any coach wants a guy who he's comfortably familiar with and share the same idealogy.

This will be my third post on here strongly recommending the demotion or marginalization of Don Breaux as far as playcalling is concerned. We could bring in the USC guy and use him as the Ravens are using Fassel, by giving him a seat in the playcalling committee.

Btw, If Fassel doesn't get a head coaching job next year, he will almost certainly be promoted from senior offensive consultant to Offensive coordinator of the Ravens.

FRPLG:

York is a disaster as an owner; you are right about that.

As for Donahue, you are living in a delusion. He is a disaster as a GM. He was part of the palace coup that got Steve Mariucci fired so they could hire Dennis Erickson. He was the GM that got the 49ers into "salary cap hell". He is the GM that gave a big contract and a big signing bonus to Kevin Barlow because he was the to be the cornerstone of the revamped 49ers. He is the GM that got them Tim Rattay and Ken Dorsey as their QBs. He is the GM that brought back Dana Stubbleifield to the 49ers to anchor their DL.

If Donahue is only 10% as good as you think he is, he'll have a job in the NFL in two weeks. My guess is that the best he gets next year is as a part-time scout.

Didn't we have a offensive genius a couple of years ago. I think his name was Spurrier!!! If we were to bring in a whole new philosophy we are setting ourselves back another year. I am sorry college coaches just can't cut it in the NFL. Spurrier, Davis, Carroll, and the list goes on. Add Saban to that list in a couple of years. We are fine with Gibbs we saw at the end of the year he can get it done.

We need a great offensive mind to come in and tweak Gibbs offense more towards the players we have and after studying this years tapes, modernize it to today's NFL......Oh wait......we already have one.....his name is Joe Gibbs!!!! Patience! He has now gotten his feet wet, let's see what he comes up with. Personally, I think next years team (offense) will show vast improvement, with few player changes.
The LAST thing this team needs is more change. Keep as many players and coaches as possible and just upgrade a couple positions and fill in the gaps wherever needed. Continuity!!!

[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]FRPLG:

York is a disaster as an owner; you are right about that.

As for Donahue, you are living in a delusion. He is a disaster as a GM. He was part of the palace coup that got Steve Mariucci fired so they could hire Dennis Erickson. He was the GM that got the 49ers into "salary cap hell". He is the GM that gave a big contract and a big signing bonus to Kevin Barlow because he was the to be the cornerstone of the revamped 49ers. He is the GM that got them Tim Rattay and Ken Dorsey as their QBs. He is the GM that brought back Dana Stubbleifield to the 49ers to anchor their DL.

If Donahue is only 10% as good as you think he is, he'll have a job in the NFL in two weeks. My guess is that the best he gets next year is as a part-time scout.[/QUOTE]
You could be right. I was talking based on my past understanding of his abilities. I seem to remember he was a hot commodity out of Buffaloe at one point. But from what I have just now read in several places he may not be all he was cracked up to be. I still think it'd be nice to get a quality talent evaluator in there with Gibbs.

Im with Skinsrock, believe it or not. He deserves a chance to have a full offseason with the talent we have to try to put together an offensive game-plan. If I see the same crap I saw this year, then we need to just take that little headset off his head and let him lead the guys. Don't let him touch a playbook from either side of the ball, and start grooming Greg Williams.

Everyone needs time. The Minnesota game, even though it was MN, was encouraging. He showed us new looks and real routes.

i do not think chow is going anywhere, except as a head coach if he wishes to. the only way he would come to the skins is if gibbs gives him control of the offense the same way he delegated control of the defense to williams. that will NOT happen. too many toes like bugel and breaux's would get stepped on. look for 1 more year of gibbs and co. tinkering with the offense. if this is not a top 15 offense by end of next year, expect gibbs to for after an offensive mind like fassell or chow to turn it over to..

[QUOTE=skin4Life28]I am sorry college coaches just can't cut it in the NFL. Spurrier, Davis, Carroll, and the list goes on. Add Saban to that list in a couple of years. We are fine with Gibbs we saw at the end of the year he can get it done.[/QUOTE]

You mean college coaches like Bill Walsh (Stanford), Jimmie Johnson (Miami), and ... [B]JOE GIBBS !?!? [/B] (San Diego State)

Look, there are college successes who turn into failures in the NFL, and there are NFL failures who are still in the NFL. It all depends on the players and the talent you've got. That's it.

[QUOTE=itvnetop]Much like Gibbs' offenses, Chow's all begins with the run.[/QUOTE]

Interesting though, after the championship game, Bill Walsh had some comments on what he saw. Walsh said that everyone who watched saw an "evolution" in football offenses. He said USC proved that the old adage of 'establishing the run' got completely blown out of the water -- that anyone who follows that line of thinking is fooling themselves.

Now, I always remembered Bill Walsh following the offensive philosophy of 'pass first, and run just to mix it up'. And it could have been that Chow simply saw a weakness in Oklahoma's secondary. In fact, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State apparently exposed the same thing earlier this year by getting lots of yardage passing the ball against the Sooners.

Sometimes I think too many O-coordinators commit to the run stubbornly, almost as if it's an ego thing. Then again, I guess it all depends on the strengths and weaknesses of their opponents.

Re: Offensive Coordinator
 

[QUOTE=JoeRedskin]Well, maybe we don't NEED an offensive coordinator, but, just as Gregg Williams gave Gibbs a valuable assistant who could build modern defense, maybe an innovative OC would help. Remember, in his first stint, Gibbs had an OC (Henning) who helped him to his first Superbowl. I have been hearing good things about Chow and think he probably would be a good fit for Joe - someone to help kickstart Joe's own creative juices and apply them to the modern game. As for the fact that Chow has had college success and no pro experience, I guess I think that applies more to head coaches than coordinators. With Joe as HC, I don't think Chow's lack of pro experience would be a significant factor.

To me, hiring someone like Chow is a win win for both Gibbs and Chow. Gibbs gets a new, fresh brain to pick and Chow gets pro experience.

Wow... I've convinced myself of what a great move this would be!! Someone get Danny boy to fire up ol' Redskins 1 and sign that man up![/QUOTE]

wow dude, you were on to something, substitute Chow for Saunders and you would be GOD.

Re: Offensive Coordinator
 

[QUOTE=gortiz]wow dude, you were on to something, substitute Chow for Saunders and you would be GOD.[/QUOTE]

the difference is saunders has had #1 offenses in the NFL... chow has done NOTHING here. the titan's offense was crappy, and that whole post was about how great chow was, not how much we needed an OC ;)

Re: Offensive Coordinator
 

[QUOTE=That Guy] that whole post was about how great chow was, not how much we needed an OC ;)[/QUOTE]

I saw a lot of posts asking the general question about us getting a new offensive coordinator ... I just thinkthat it was an interensting read so long ago.

One post made a point that if we got someone, it would have to be similiar to Joe's offensive philosphy ... pretty insightful I think ... I know its not rocket science ... but interesting on some levels regardless.

Re: Offensive Coordinator
 

sometimes doesnt great players make a coach look good?(i.e. chow)

Re: Offensive Coordinator
 

[QUOTE=dmek25]sometimes doesnt great players make a coach look good?(i.e. chow)[/QUOTE]

yes, but chow is also on a seriously undermanned titan team with much harsher competition every week and no nfl experience.

rookie playcallers generally don't get it done. He might be good in 5 years...