What's your take on our coaching?
 

Starting with the top down...

My frustration with Mike is building. I think as the "big picture" goes he's wasted two years with the QB situation and (therefor) to a large extent the offense. To be sure Kyle has much to do with the QB mess, assuming he's the primary reason we have Rex on the roster at all. But at the end of the day Mike is still the HC. The other frustration with Mike is our lack of preparedness, especially on offense and teams. The delay of game today on the field goal turned punt is a prime example.

In general I don't feel like the offense consistently works together and fights to win. When Helu took a big shot today on that short pass (he couldn't make the catch and got the wind knocked out of him) just one player, a lineman I think, came over to check on him, and that guy didn't even help Helu up. WTF?! This kid is a promising rookie and just got plastered. I think the lack of camaraderie on offense is a symptom of Mike's failure in leadership.

On the defense there's plenty of camaraderie and these guys are definitely fighting to win. Haslett is a great motivator IMHO. His scheme is suspect part of the time, but I will go on record Haslett has exceeded my expectations.

So, I'm disappointed in the Shanahans and pretty damn impressed with Haslett. Very curious to know what ya'll are thinking...so discuss!

PS I think Mike's history as a returning 2X championship HC has to be taken into account when assessing his performance here. I definitely expected him to come in with a solid plan of action and have the offense, especially the QB situation, moving in a better direction by now.

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Well mike came into a cluster **** of a team that went 4-12 let's b real here.. Hes done a very good job of drafting and has the team competitive. I still say this team wins 8/9 games and that's pretty good IMO

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My take is that the Redskin coaches no more about the NFL game than any fool on here who tries to pretend he knows more.

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I think building a defense is a little different then building on offense. We focused a lot on defense in the offseason and it's showing. I'm happy with our defense this year, and I think we have a playoff caliber defense.

When building an offense, you need one essential part. A QUARTERBACK.... You can load him up with talent, and you may be able to squeek by with an average record or even make the playoffs, but you really need a QB and we didn't have that in Rex.

Will we have that in Beck? Only time will tell, and knowing Redskin nation. Most of us will "know" by next week. =)

I do like Kyle's play calling. A lot of people were begging for the run this week, but we really didn't have anywhere to run. I remember getting stuffed on almost every play. Now, that's when the Eagles were thinking pass as we were down most of the game. Imagine if the Eagles actually played the run? I think it would of been even worse.

Shanny's know what they have in this team at the moment, and it's a work hard attitude and younger roster which isn't ready to play with the big boys. It's only typical that most Redskin fans have Daniel Snyder syndrome and wanna call for these guys heads after 2 years. When it was Snyder who blew this team up for the past 10 years.

Give it some patience boys. No Super Bowls this year, but it doesn't mean we wont win games and keep getting better.

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We don't show any specific signs of being a poorly coached team. If you limit the assessment to just the interaction between the coaches and the players, the players respect the coaches and they respond to them, so it's not that we're suffering from being a poorly coached team.

We are suffering from being a bad team, particularly on the offensive side. And so then you have to ask questions. What were the reasonable expectations for this year. Contention in the NFC East. Internally, that sounds like it was pretty much the case. We expected to beat teams like the Giants, Cowboys, and Eagles with our current personnel. If not, I doubt we would have built the team this way. So far, we're 1-2 on offense, but the pass defense has shown up three straight times.

What's troubling about the coaching is not that the offense isn't good, but that the coaches wanted you to believe this would work. Just trust us, they said. John Beck is better than you think. Rex Grossman is better than you think. Chris Chester is the missing piece of our offensive line. We'll manage the situation, and we'll use the running game. We'll make it work.

I don't know if they were necessarily wrong so much as that they thought they themselves (Kyle and Mike Shanahan) were the missing link in the chain that would make all of this effort worth it. But if Mike Shanahan was planning on building a team in his own image that wins on discipline, on down and distance, and on a couple of big plays a game, he picked the wrong guy to call that offense.

Mike was being silly to think that he could be hands off with the offense, and still build it in his own image. He should have built an offense that Kyle can win with: doesn't run much, but it can drop back 45 times per game and hit open receivers. He hasn't built that. He's not even building [I]towards[/I] that. Our head coach and OC aren't anywhere near the same page. And we can't fix that. Because they have a relationship that goes beyond their professional one.

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[quote=skins89moss;848371]My take is that the Redskin coaches no more about the NFL game than any fool on here who tries to pretend he knows more.[/quote]My take is that football isn't rocket science and the coaches aren't infallible.

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Our 2 losses have nothing to do with coaching, blame Rex Grossman. People complaint about KS, who would you like as your OC? Brian Shottenhimer? Go ask Santonio Holmes how he feels. KS
Has done a decent job, the Redskins
Move the ball up and down the field, the problem is in the RZ. I would like to see Austin and Paul more involved.

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It seems like the OP's take is more concerned with Mike the GM than Mike the coach.

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[quote=GTripp0012;848380]I don't know if they were necessarily wrong so much as that they thought they themselves (Kyle and Mike Shanahan) were the missing link in the chain that would make all of this effort worth it. But if Mike Shanahan was planning on building a team in his own image that wins on discipline, on down and distance, and on a couple of big plays a game, he picked the wrong guy to call that offense.

Mike was being silly to think that he could be hands off with the offense, and still build it in his own image. He should have built an offense that Kyle can win with: doesn't run much, but it can drop back 45 times per game and hit open receivers. He hasn't built that. He's not even building [I]towards[/I] that. Our head coach and OC aren't anywhere near the same page. And we can't fix that. Because they have a relationship that goes beyond their professional one.[/quote]Excellent points. Agree 100%.

I'll add, based on being in the NFC East (bad weather late in the year) and how our team is built currently, the best bet is to build in MS's image.

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My take is you can't turn a team into a superbowl contender after one off season.

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[quote=IrMitchell;848393]My take is you can't turn a team into a superbowl contender after one off season.[/quote]But can you turn it into a .500 team with some promise in two offseasons?

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My take is Wait until next week before u call the season dead....were still in this. 2 loses and we were supposed to be worst right now

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[quote=GTripp0012;848401]But can you turn it into a .500 team with some promise in two offseasons?[/quote]

Different of opinions I suppose, and we can only wait till the end of the season to decide on who was right, but I think we are a .500 team and we have one of the most talented youthful teams we've had here in years.

I was beating up Rocky Mc. all year last year, but he's finally looking better every game like the coaches said he would, and D. Hall is having a great year as well. Wilson is a great #2 and could possibly be our #1, and we don't even need to talk about our D Line.

We are adding the pieces and at a much cheaper price and younger age, and it's showing all around.

Future is bright in my eyes, and 3-2 is much better for Redskins Nation then 2-4.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;848391]It seems like the OP's take is more concerned with [B]Mike the GM than Mike the coach[/B].[/quote]

Or is it Mike, Kyle and Bruce playing GM? Let me ask it another way: how many GM's would go into the season w/ Rex and John Beck as the only QBs on the roster? I think a lot of the predicament has to do w/ Kyle saying he can make Rex a significantly better QB than he's been up to this point in his career. Because of scheme. Because of play-calling. Well, Rex is who he's always been. Now we'll all find out who John Beck is...I hope we get lucky :)

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[quote=Bucket;848403]Different of opinions I suppose, and we can only wait till the end of the season to decide on who was right, but I think we are a .500 team and we have one of the most talented youthful teams we've had here in years.

I was beating up Rocky Mc. all year last year, but he's finally looking better every game like the coaches said he would, and D. Hall is having a great year as well. Wilson is a great #2 and could possibly be our #1, and we don't even need to talk about our D Line.

We are adding the pieces and at a much cheaper price and younger age, and it's showing all around.

Future is bright in my eyes, and 3-2 is much better for Redskins Nation then 2-4.[/quote]If you ignore the run defense, we're one of the four or five best defenses in the NFL. But the only way we are going to discourage teams from running on us is to score points in bunches.

I don't see the offensive woes as a "lets change the quarterback, then wait and see." That may be a difference of opinion, sure, but even the parts of the offense I was counting on: the receivers and the backs, just haven't been good. And it's because those guys haven't been good that we've gotten to a point after just five games where Grossman is no longer a viable quarterback.

Not only did that experiment fail, but it failed so spectacularly that we couldn't even finish up our third home game of the season without it blowing up on our home turf. Should Grossman be held responsible for his role in this? Of course. But if you can't even manage a quarterback like Rex Grossman (or John Beck) to hide their weaknesses for five games, how in the world did you think you'd be able to survive 16?

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[quote=The Goat;848404]Or is it Mike, Kyle and Bruce playing GM? Let me ask it another way: how many GM's would go into the season w/ Rex and John Beck as the only QBs on the roster?[/quote]Only one with a high salary and unlimited job security.

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[quote=GTripp0012;848408]Only one with a high salary and unlimited job security.[/quote]
Every time we ask that Mike basically dusts off his superbowl rings

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[quote=GTripp0012;848406]If you ignore the run defense, we're one of the four or five best defenses in the NFL. But the only way we are going to discourage teams from running on us is to score points in bunches.

I don't see the offensive woes as a "lets change the quarterback, then wait and see." That may be a difference of opinion, sure, but even the parts of the offense I was counting on: the receivers and the backs, just haven't been good. And it's because those guys haven't been good that we've gotten to a point after just five games where Grossman is no longer a viable quarterback.

Not only did that experiment fail, but it failed so spectacularly that we couldn't even finish up our third home game of the season without it blowing up on our home turf. Should Grossman be held responsible for his role in this? Of course. But if you can't even manage a quarterback like Rex Grossman (or John Beck) to hide their weaknesses for five games, how in the world did you think you'd be able to survive 16?[/quote]

Out of those 5 games Grossman has played 5 maybe 6 good quarters of football. I think with Armstrong out and our lack of deep threat our offense has been getting exploited a bit, but this team right now is built to stay in football games and keep them close. It's been like that every game this season, and will continue to be but it doesn't exclude the fact that we wont win some/most of them.

I don't know exactly what you mean by "experiment fail". I saw a quarterback competition in the off season and Rex won that competition, but as many Redskin fans knew... This wasn't the last we would see of John Beck this year and I was one of them.

I think one of our main weaknesses that are being exploited right now is our ability to throw the football when teams stack the box against us, and turning the ball over. I remember watching the coaching show last week, and Mike Shanahan brought up a great point. Great teams will be in the playoffs with a +5-+10 turnover ratio. It's hard to be critical against our run defense today when the Eagles have been running all over everyone. MCcoy is one of the top 5 running backs in the league right now, and when you add in the best running QB of all time. They are going to move the football...

Only thing that blew up today was our lack of taking care of the football, and not being able to score on our opponents side of the field like we haven't been able to since I can remember. Still only losing by 7 may I remind you. Also, Redskins Nations fans ideas about how they think the team should be run, or what they know that the highly paid NFL coaches don't. If that was the case then half of our people here would be on the field with the headset right now.

The Eagles exploited Rex's lack of making a lot of throws/reads today. They took away his over the middle cushion and under route throws and it showed today.

-Missing two offensive lineman
-Missing your deep threat at WR
-Missing your starting RB
-Turn the ball over 4 times
-Make crucial penalties on 3rd and long, and 1st down
-Orakpo and Kerrigan's discipline or lack there of on defense

You're not going to win a lot of games this way. Shoot, I would go and say you most likely wont win against ANY team in the NFL playing this way.

So in my eyes, the fail today was the Redskins. Was their some coaching mistakes? Sure, there was on both sides of the football just like in almost every football game. To jump off the bridge and just call the Redskins a below .500 team when we are sitting a 3-2 is an opinionated statement because we have no idea what the limitations of this team are.

My opinion is they are a above .500 football team

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look, we came into the season knowing we didn't have a QB worth a hill of beans and the OL was suspect (with absolute trash for depth), so it's not really surprising that our guys aren't playing like aaron rodgers.

I do think that running 14 times into a terrible run D is a playcalling issue, or a scheme one, and I'm not really sure what the D fixed at half time, but with 2 weeks to prepare, we shouldn't have given up 20 points before figuring out how to stop them. Our offense can't score that much, and I know that's unfair to the D, but that side of the ball is built better and they've invested more there. besides suspect CBs, it's solid, though we were lacking in pressure again for parts of this game.

anyways, I'm not really all that bummed about the lose, but about the embarrassing play that got us there. 4 INTS, we beat ourselves.

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[quote=GTripp0012;848408]Only one with a high salary and unlimited job security.[/quote]

What are you talking about? Just because Shanahan works in DC doesn't mean he works for the government.

From what I gathered that delay of game was more so a miscommunication between MS and the referees on getting the time out called.

And I'm not sure I'd gather from that one incident that there isn't camaraderie on this offense. I would think that the offseason workouts say otherwise.

I also believe, that the lockout and who was drafted ahead of us played key roles in affecting our QB plans. We do need a QB of the future, I absolutely agree. But unfortunately, that's not all we needed. We have added several key pieces. And I know after a loss like this, we all want to talk about how we have failed mightily and the rest of the season is doomed etc. If fans want to think that, fine, our feelings have no affect. But we're screwed if the actual team starts to believe it.

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Skins added talent all around and just hoped Rex wouldn't f up but I think beck will be the leagues surprise this yr

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[quote=skinsfaninok;848369]Well mike came into a cluster **** of a team that went 4-12 let's b real here.. Hes done a very good job of drafting and has the team competitive. I still say this team wins 8/9 games and that's pretty good IMO[/quote]

I totally agree, Shanny took over a perennial loser with roster rot throughout the team. This kind of thing isnt turned around in a season or 2, its gonna take awhile. I think its so far so good with Shanny.

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[quote=The Goat;848365]Starting with the top down...

My frustration with Mike is building. I think as the "big picture" goes he's wasted two years with the QB situation and (therefor) to a large extent the offense. To be sure Kyle has much to do with the QB mess, assuming he's the primary reason we have Rex on the roster at all. But at the end of the day Mike is still the HC. The other frustration with Mike is our lack of preparedness, especially on offense and teams. The delay of game today on the field goal turned punt is a prime example.

In general I don't feel like the offense consistently works together and fights to win. When Helu took a big shot today on that short pass (he couldn't make the catch and got the wind knocked out of him) just one player, a lineman I think, came over to check on him, and that guy didn't even help Helu up. WTF?! This kid is a promising rookie and just got plastered. I think the lack of camaraderie on offense is a symptom of Mike's failure in leadership.

On the defense there's plenty of camaraderie and these guys are definitely fighting to win. Haslett is a great motivator IMHO. His scheme is suspect part of the time, but I will go on record Haslett has exceeded my expectations.

So, I'm disappointed in the Shanahans and pretty damn impressed with Haslett. Very curious to know what ya'll are thinking...so discuss!

PS I think Mike's history as a returning 2X championship HC has to be taken into account when assessing his performance here. I definitely expected him to come in with a solid plan of action and have the offense, especially the QB situation, moving in a better direction by now.[/quote]



Weren't we all just talking about how Mike is building something great here? Funny how people just go nuts after a tough loss when we lost 2 of our starting left side of the offensive line, tough loss to a division rival where records dont mean shit. So damn fickel around here.

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[quote=irish;848452]I totally agree, Shanny took over a perennial loser with roster rot throughout the team. This kind of thing isnt turned around in a season or 2, its gonna take awhile. I think its so far so good with Shanny.[/quote]
Exactly . We need better paly at QB , a WR that can get deep and also make " YAC " on offense . Defense , either 1 more big guy up front ( Maybe J. Jenkins ) , and a big down hill ILB next to Fletch . Two years ago , down 20-0 , we would have lost 41- 6 . We have F/A and nine draft pick ( plus a Comp pick for C. Rogers , I think ) . If Beck plays much better than REX , we could still win the east ?

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I don't trust Kyle Shanahan.
Our play calling is downright bizarre at times.
I'm fine with Mike Shanahan for now.

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[quote=budw38;848454]Exactly . We need better paly at QB , a WR that can get deep and also make " YAC " on offense . Defense , either 1 more big guy up front ( Maybe J. Jenkins ) , and a big down hill ILB next to Fletch . Two years ago , down 20-0 , we would have lost 41- 6 . We have F/A and nine draft pick ( plus a Comp pick for C. Rogers , I think ) . If Beck plays much better than REX , we could still win the east ?[/quote]

That's a huge if with Beck. I think the whole team needs to play better for them to win the East.

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My take on coaching is... we should be focusing on the talent instead.

People complained about this same crap last year when our main problem clearly was a lack of talent. We're improved from last year in that department but we're still in the process of rebuilding this team.

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[quote=irish;848456]That's a huge if with Beck. I think the whole team needs to play better for them to win the East.[/quote]
Yes , the team would have to play better , however with both dallas and Philly losing 3 and 4 games already , we would have a shot . Of course losing KL and TW is not going to help . I look at it this way , on OFF we are a good QB and WR away from being pretty good , defense , we have 4 guys that are either playing new postions ( Cofield / Kerrigan ) and guys with little starting experience ( Bowens /J. Wilson ) so we have done well on D .

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[quote=irish;848452]I totally agree, Shanny took over a perennial loser with roster rot throughout the team. This kind of thing isnt turned around in a season or 2, its gonna take awhile. I think its so far so good with Shanny.[/quote]

Im gonna agree with this answer. I think Shanny, Haslett and the others have been pretty damn good. You can see the team growing and its the right direction. Im please on where this team is right now. [B]BUT[B][/B][/B]...

Kyle Shanny has been a problem. His ability to attack the defense's weakness has been poor. His gameplans prove this. His playcalling has been horrific around 50% of the time. Why doesnt he see we just dont have the talent to do everything he wants to and just play to our strengths?

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Kyle drives me nuts. To be sure, he is an excellent designer of pass plays and seems to always get someone open. But his playcalling, especially in the red zone, is suspect. And his game planning seems dim. This team needs to run to win, especially against poor run defenses, but Kyle appears to be unaware of this, just as he seemed unaware of the run when he was in Houston.

Mike has brought us a professionalism which was sorely lacking before and I appreciate it. But he lacks the necessary professional relationship with his offensive coordinator. When it is time to tweak things, does he undertake the actions appropriate for a head coach? And if/when it is time to find a new OC, will Mike recognize this and follow through appropriately?

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I still have faith in Mike. I like what he has done with this team in his first two years, he took over an incredibly bad team without any depth and has turned the defense into a force to be reckoned with. The issue I am thinking more and more is Kyle. The play calling was just horrendous yesterday. My god we were playing Philly and he somehow allowed Rex Grossman to be the focal point of our offense? I was begging for a quick hit passing game and a running/screen game...what did we get? Too many down the field throws and a flea flicker that fooled 0 DBs and was bailed out by an amazing catch by Gaffney.

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[quote=The Goat;848365]Starting with the top down...

My frustration with Mike is building. I think as the "big picture" goes he's wasted two years with the QB situation and (therefor) to a large extent the offense. To be sure Kyle has much to do with the QB mess, assuming he's the primary reason we have Rex on the roster at all. But at the end of the day Mike is still the HC. The other frustration with Mike is our lack of preparedness, especially on offense and teams. The delay of game today on the field goal turned punt is a prime example.

In general I don't feel like the offense consistently works together and fights to win. When Helu took a big shot today on that short pass (he couldn't make the catch and got the wind knocked out of him) just one player, a lineman I think, came over to check on him, and that guy didn't even help Helu up. WTF?! This kid is a promising rookie and just got plastered. I think the lack of camaraderie on offense is a symptom of Mike's failure in leadership.

On the defense there's plenty of camaraderie and these guys are definitely fighting to win. Haslett is a great motivator IMHO. His scheme is suspect part of the time, but I will go on record Haslett has exceeded my expectations.

So, I'm disappointed in the Shanahans and pretty damn impressed with Haslett. Very curious to know what ya'll are thinking...so discuss!

PS I think Mike's history as a returning 2X championship HC has to be taken into account when assessing his performance here. I definitely expected him to come in with a solid plan of action and have the offense, especially the QB situation, moving in a better direction by now.[/quote]

MS took over a crappy organization. He's had 1 full year. It's pretty clear that our QB of the future is not on our roster. I'm pretty positive the coaches know this. We're going to need a couple more drafts to start seeing some real results although we got off to a good start this year. Cut them a little slack. Impatience is what has ruined our team over the last 15 years.

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[quote=Chico23231;848490]Im gonna agree with this answer. I think Shanny, Haslett and the others have been pretty damn good. You can see the team growing and its the right direction. Im please on where this team is right now. [B]BUT[B][/B][/B]...

Kyle Shanny has been a problem. His ability to attack the defense's weakness has been poor. His gameplans prove this. His playcalling has been horrific around 50% of the time. Why doesnt he see we just dont have the talent to do everything he wants to and just play to our strengths?[/quote]

He obviously knows he doesnt really have a QB, his WRs are not much to brag about, and his O line stinks. He has his system and he's trying to install it as SOP for the team while the talent that can run his system is brought in.

IMO it was the same with Hazlette last year. Everyone was screaming that he's an idiot who should know he doesnt have the talent to run his D and should switch but guess what, he got some talent and now his D looks pretty good. Its gonna be the same for Kyle. He's got very little talent now but will keep getting more and as that happens and the team gets used to his system things will improve.

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my take? Kyle blows get a real play caller

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My take is they were idiotic for not maintaining control over what Rex was doing. He was just chucking it down field for the sake of chucking it and that's just not how you play the position. Kyle's playcalling was awful and they never managed to make an adjustment on offense until it was too late.

I give them an F for looking like complete fools.

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[quote=irish;848452]I totally agree, Shanny took over a perennial loser with roster rot throughout the team. This kind of thing isnt turned around in a season or 2, its gonna take awhile. I think its so far so good with Shanny.[/quote]


On top of that he also to work with the few draft pics we had.

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[quote=firstdown;848558]On top of that he also to work with the few draft pics we had.[/quote]

Its really tough to get rid of roster rot without draft picks.

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[quote=Chico23231;848490]Im gonna agree with this answer. I think Shanny, Haslett and the others have been pretty damn good. You can see the team growing and its the right direction. Im please on where this team is right now. [B]BUT[/B]...

Kyle Shanny has been a problem. His ability to attack the defense's weakness has been poor. His gameplans prove this. His playcalling has been horrific around 50% of the time. Why doesnt he see we just dont have the talent to do everything he wants to and just play to our strengths?[/quote]

How would you have called the game then?

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Should Beck play well, I wonder if anyone will then credit Kyle. I think his flaw is not in designing the plays, but picking the right spots to call them. Mike is definitely involved though, he's not sitting there without giving any input.