Carson Palmer to Oakland Raiders for 1st/2012
 

Per Adam Shefter: Carson Palmer to the Raiders now official. Compensation expected to be a 1 in 2012 and a conditional 1 in 2013

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wow, thats an effing steal for Cincy

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Steal? They Raiders got seriously ripped off...a first round pick!? Wonder what happens to Campbell next year? Hmmm....back to D.C. anyone?

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It could pay off huge for the Raiders with the Hue Jackson connection. But to make it worth the steep price they'd have to go deep into the playoffs and be a serious SB contender these next couple of years.

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Holy moly. Mike Brown caved...much to his benefit.

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Gotta credit Brown for holding out, he got way more in return than anyone thought he would.

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1st rounder! Two 1st rounders? WTF....

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OMG, the Raiders give away pick like thier fn tick tacks!!! Advantage Cincy.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7118158/oakland-raiders-verge-getting-carson-palmer-cincinnati-bengals-sources-say]Oakland Raiders on verge of getting Carson Palmer from Cincinnati Bengals, sources say - ESPN[/url]

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to me it shows a very desperate move giving up two first round picks. Jason has played very well for them over the last two seasons. What did he finish last year 7-4?? And was playing really well this year, managing the team and not turning the ball over. Can Jason ever catch a break?! I guess he'll be on the move again next year

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That is insane. Carson for 2 first rounders? GTFO!!! Who said Al Davis was dead.

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Thats idiotic.
The Raider organization continues to be effing retarded.

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[quote=12thMan;848986]Steal? They Raiders got seriously ripped off...a first round pick!? Wonder what happens to Campbell next year? Hmmm....back to D.C. anyone?[/quote]

yeah they did. Its gonna take Carson several games to get up to speed. Raiders lucky they in a horrible division. they could still make the playoffs

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[quote=#56fanatic;849001]to me it shows a very desperate move giving up two first round picks. Jason has played very well for them over the last two seasons. What did he finish last year 7-4?? And was playing really well this year, managing the team and not turning the ball over. Can Jason ever catch a break?! I guess he'll be on the move again next year[/quote]

No Jason can't. He'll never be the starter again in Oakland. Another new coach, another new offense to learn. I didn't realize just how good Jason was doing for them until Kyle Boller came in and missed wide open receiver after wide open receiver.

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Hilarious...I just heard "NFL Expert" Jason LaConforna on with Tony K talking about what the Raiders will do at QB. He's hemming and hawing about how they are going to ride it out with bowler and hope JC comes back. Basically has no info and is just filling dead air on the radio. Meanwhile the palmer to Oakland trade had blown up all over the internet before he even went on the air. I couldn't believe what i was hearing...not only did he not even get a sniff of the story, he couldn't even get the info second hand after the fact. He is such a hack...I am sure he's breaking the story now on his Twitter as i type this.

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So what do they do with Campbell and Pryor? Campbell is out for sure after this. Probably Minni or Tennesee

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good for cincy. i got a soft spot in my heart for fans and cities like cincy, cleveland, buffalo detroit.

i didnt even know oakland had any 1st round picks left for 2012 or 2013. wish we had gotten some. i swear, the one and only time oakland played hard ball with draft picks was us with JC. whad we get a conditional 6th rounder or something for a guy to be their starting qb.

Damn. Even cincy is fleecing teams for draft picks now. No f'n way palmer is worth 2 firsts.

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I can see the Raiders FO war room, big board room table with a conference call line in the middle and a weegie board sitting right next to it. Coaches spelling out..."make tha trade"

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Rex Grossman to Oakland for 1st rounder? Undercut the Bengals....

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I also want to say wow, Oakland got ripped off big time!

Does anyone know if JC was under contract after this year, can they at least try and trade him next year?

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Are we sure Al Davis really is dead??!!!! Two first rounders for a QB who has not had a really good year since like 2005? The guy threw 20 picks last year....wish we could trade something to the raiders.

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Oakland continues to cripple that team , they have no draft now next yr and Palmer is washed up

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This is a move the Raiders needed to make. Yes, it's steep but with the level of talent, the Jackson connection Palmer will thrive in this offense. The Raiders are now in serious contention for the AFC crown. Laugh all you want, this move will pan out.

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Believe or not, I think this was a pricey good move for the Raiders. Risky as hell if Palmer doesn't work out though, but it could make them contenders for the next season or two. They have a great running game, young fast talented receivers, and a very solid defense. I guess they don't want to lose the momentum and having a winning season with a playoff appearance would be huge for the organization.

Sucks for JC, but I think he may have improved his stock for a trade, at least to be a solid back up. If Palmer works out, the Raiders are going to be tough to beat.

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A couple things:

Carson Palmer is still really, really good. The Raiders are the favorite in the AFC West. They have three divisional games coming up. If Hue Jackson thought he could win 2/3 with Kyle Boller, I'm sure he would have gone that route.

I thought the surplus value of Palmer's contract (through 2014) was at roughly the value of a first round pick. So the Raiders overpaid here because they were desperate. He's not worth a first round plus, though he is worth a first rounder.

The bigger issue here is that he cost a first rounder in a draft that could have solved the QB need for the next ten years instead of three. But hey, the starting QB is hurt and flags fly forever. If the Raiders go deep in the playoffs in 2011, it's a good deal. If they don't, then they probably had better options available.

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Exactly how many trades in the past 20 years have involved one team's exchange of two first rounders? Did the infamous Walker-to-the-Vikings trade include two firsts? Are there others? I'd say there may be five or six players in the league worthy of two firsts. Palmer isn't a player I would include on that list.

Well, if this guarantees more long-term Raider ineptitude, I'm all for it.

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[quote=Ruhskins;849019]Believe or not, I think this was a pricey good move for the Raiders. Risky as hell if Palmer doesn't work out though, but it could make them contenders for the next season or two. They have a great running game, young fast talented receivers, and a very solid defense. I guess they don't want to lose the momentum and having a winning season with a playoff appearance would be huge for the organization.

Sucks for JC, but I think he may have improved his stock for a trade, at least to be a solid back up. If Palmer works out, the Raiders are going to be tough to beat.[/quote]It's not a horrible situation for Campbell. Number one, Palmer has to prove he can stay healthy. Number two, if/when Palmer proves that, Campbell becomes the prize jewel of the free agent class in 2012. He can go wherever he wants.

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The Raiders are still the Raiders. Palmer has been a huge disappointment the last few years and he's never been the same since that knee injury. Now with 2 number ones Cincy has set themselves up for a bright future. Major props to the worst owner in the NFL, Mike Brown. Can't believe they're 4-2 this year!!!

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[quote=skinsfan69;849024]The Raiders are still the Raiders. Palmer has been a huge disappointment the last few years and he's never been the same since that knee injury. Now with 2 number ones Cincy has set themselves up for a bright future. Major props to the worst owner in the NFL, Mike Brown. Can't believe they're 4-2 this year!!![/quote]

Mike Brown is still a dumba$$. He got lucky that a major injury gave him this opportunity. If Campbell doesn't get hurt, Palmer sits for a whole season and loses any trade value. Hopefully they won't F things up and build a solid team around Dalton.

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Found the answer to my question--the Vikings traded not two but three first rounders. Funny that the trade itself has its on Wiki entry.

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I wish the Skins had picked him up. He will do much better now that he's away from the worst coach at any level of football.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;849003]Thats idiotic.
The Raider organization continues to be effing retarded.[/quote]

Pretty much. They have no draft next year and already gimped the following in 2013. The aren't a contender either. Idiots.

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TWO F...N FIRSTS???
Well.....the Rayda's always did have a knack for the unusual bargain....
Runs a 4.3 forty???

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[quote=NC_Skins;849029]Pretty much. They have no draft next year and already gimped the following in 2013. The aren't a contender either. Idiots.[/quote]Don't forget compensatory picks for losing 3 of the 10 biggest contracts in free agency.

Trading 2013 picks is just insane though.

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[quote=irish;849028]I wish the Skins had picked him up. He will do much better now that he's away from the worst coach at any level of football.[/quote]

Isn't Spurrier still coaching?

;)

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well know one thing for sure Palmer > Campbell big time

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[quote=Mattyk;848994]Gotta credit Brown for holding out, he got way more in return than anyone thought he would.[/quote]

most definitely!

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Lets not go to far. We have no idea what the conditional pick is in 2013 and I'd bet they never see that draft pick. So they probably gave up a 1st for Palmer. After watching Rex this past Sunday that sounds like a pretty good deal. There is a reason Palmer wanted out.

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[quote=firstdown;849036]Lets not go to far. We have no idea what the conditional pick is in 2013 and I'd bet they never see that draft pick. So they probably gave up a 1st for Palmer. After watching Rex this past Sunday that sounds like a pretty good deal. There is a reason Palmer wanted out.[/quote]

The conditional pick is at minimum a 2nd in 2013.