Militiamen plot terror attack
 

Not all terrorists are Muslims from abroad it seems.

Federal officials arrested four members of a Georgia militia group Tuesday, alleging that the men were planning to attack state and federal buildings with guns and explosives.

[url=http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/nationnow/2011/11/georgia_militia_plot.html]Georgia militia members arrested, accused of plotting ricin attack - latimes.com[/url]

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russian satellites have always had huge issues with that kind of thing. It just never makes the US news cause our media doesn't really care about anything outside our borders.

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[quote=That Guy;854809]russian satellites have always had huge issues with that kind of thing. It just never makes the US news cause our media doesn't really care about anything outside our borders.[/quote]

No dude. This is Georgia as in Atlanta, King's Mountain, peachtree state, etc., not the former USSR region.

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[COLOR="DarkRed"]The affidavits against the four men -- Frederick Thomas, 73, Dan Roberts, 67, Ray H. Adams, 65, and Samuel J. Crump, 68 -- do not specify the group to which they belonged, indicating only that they were "members of a fringe group of a known militia organization" called the "covert group," which held clandestine meetings in the northeast Georgia foothills.[/COLOR]

LOL....beware of pissed off old southerners.

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Expect more of this. The people are fed up with the government to the point they'll start bringing violence into the picture. Instead of trying to go after guys like this (not that they shouldn't), how about we start fixing the issues that cause guys like this to plot violent acts.

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[quote=NC_Skins;854835]Expect more of this. The people are fed up with the government to the point they'll start bringing violence into the picture. Instead of trying to go after guys like this (not that they shouldn't), how about we start fixing the issues that cause guys like this to plot violent acts.[/quote]

Fine, what's the plan?

1. Stop donations from corporations into political campaigns. Got any candidates willing to back this? Got any plan to deal with the numerous SCOTUS decisions equating monetary contributions as a method of free speech? Got any plan to craft legislation that prohibits corp. contributions while allowing corporate entities to be the campaign finance entity (unless of course you suggest that all contibutions be held privately by the candidates themselves in personal or private business bank accounts)?

2. Ummm .....

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[quote=JoeRedskin;854840]Fine, what's the plan?

1. Stop donations from corporations into political campaigns. Got any candidates willing to back this? Got any plan to deal with the numerous SCOTUS decisions equating monetary contributions as a method of free speech? Got any plan to craft legislation that prohibits corp. contributions while allowing corporate entities to be the campaign finance entity (unless of course you suggest that all contibutions be held privately by the candidates themselves in personal or private business bank accounts)?

2. Ummm .....[/quote]


I don't profess to know all the answer JR, I just know the system is broken. My biggest problem I have is mixing business with politics. It's become a dangerous game that has led us down a dreadful path. I feel the same way about religion and politics. Neither one of those two things should influence the people it governs. Why? Because the nature of those two things will overtake what's good for the people and do what's best for their own self interest.

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Okay. This I get.

Religion and politics I agree whole heartedly with you.

On the other hand, I just don't see how you can separate business and politics. Business is how the economy functions and it touches everyone of us everyday in innumberable transactions. Government regulates how business is done, if it doesn't bad, bad bad things happen: unregulated free markets, general corruption (how do you verify that that gallon of gas you got is actually a gallon and not .85 of a gallon? Or that certain foods are safe?), etc. How govt. regulates business is determinative of "What's good for the people".

People [I]are[/I] business and vice versa. It can't be removed from the political equation.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;854853]Okay. This I get.

Religion and politics I agree whole heartedly with you.

On the other hand, I just don't see how you can separate business and politics. Business is how the economy functions and it touches everyone of us everyday in innumberable transactions. Government regulates how business is done, if it doesn't bad, bad bad things happen: unregulated free markets, general corruption (how do you verify that that gallon of gas you got is actually a gallon and not .85 of a gallon? Or that certain foods are safe?), etc. How govt. regulates business is determinative of "What's good for the people".

People [I]are[/I] business and vice versa. It can't be removed from the political equation.[/quote]

Maybe I should be more clear on the business and politics quote. I have a problem with Big Businesses and our government.

I'm not saying that government shouldn't make decisions for or based on businesses. I should more or less say "Big Business" should be separated. The majority of jobs in America are due to small business owners, yet the majority of regulation favors big business. They constantly get tax breaks and ship jobs overseas. They are deregulated which allows them to do shady things that lead to economic downfalls, and then expect taxpayers to bail them out.

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[quote]When it comes to saving the Constitution, that means some people gotta die.[/quote]

That explains it all...they are protecting the constitution. Let freedom reign except for the people that gotta die.

Fcking morons.

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[quote=saden1;854892]That explains it all...they are protecting the constitution. Let freedom reign except for the people that gotta die.

Fcking morons.[/quote]


Didn't Bush and the war supporters say the same thing when they claimed to "liberate" the Iraqi people?

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Will be very interesting once all the details come out. If the allegations are true, throw the book and these idiots and lock 'em away.

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[quote=NC_Skins;854895]Didn't Bush and the war supporters say the same thing when they claimed to "liberate" the Iraqi people?[/quote]

No. Just, No. Not even remotely in the same universe. If you can't see the monumental leap required to equate these two actions, I just don't know what to say.

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[quote=saden1;854892]That explains it all...they are protecting the constitution. Let freedom reign except for the people that gotta die.

Fcking morons.[/quote]

This.

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[quote=NC_Skins;854895]Didn't Bush and the war supporters say the same thing when they claimed to "liberate" the Iraqi people?[/quote]


No but I am sure there are some redneck hicks who believe external wars are about protecting the constitution. I believe team Bush called it "collateral damage" which apparently detached America from any wrongdoing as far as civilian deaths.

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What about the irony that the political right generally claims to protect us from terrorism yet here are terrorists growing organically out of the far right?

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[quote=Lotus;854962]What about the irony that the political right generally claims to protect us from terrorism yet here are terrorists growing organically out of the far right?[/quote]Kind of, but I think more about the comparisons between the homegrown vs. Muslim terrorists.

When you compare the ideology of the far right homegrown terrorists and far right Muslim terrorists, their overall mindsets (violence to protect belief system) and targets (U.S. government) are similiar they just have different philosophies that fuel their anger/hate.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;854971]Kind of, but I think more about the comparisons between the homegrown vs. Muslim terrorists.

When you compare the ideology of the far right homegrown terrorists and far right Muslim terrorists, their overall mindsets (violence to protect belief system) and targets (U.S. government) are similiar they just have different philosophies that fuel their anger/hate.[/quote]

The situation still seems ironic to me. But that analysis is dead-on.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;854971]Kind of, but I think more about the comparisons between the homegrown vs. Muslim terrorists.[/quote]

I'd be interested to see your direct comparison between a group that feels threatened by their own Government and a cult that is predicated on being 'spread by the sword'.

[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;854971]When you compare the ideology of the far right homegrown terrorists and far right Muslim terrorists, their overall mindsets (violence to protect belief system) and targets (U.S. government) are similiar they just have different philosophies that fuel their anger/hate.[/quote]

Violence to protect a belief system? Possibly from the imbecile Right-wingers. All islamic terrorist groups (that I've ever researched) are just following the fundementals of their book. Check out 9:29 and many verses like it.

They are not protecting their belief system, they are actively expanding it as dictated by their interpretation of religious teachings.

You could also add the metric of sheer volume. I haven't taken a recent head-count of U.S. Right-wing terror groups but I think you'll find it's substatially smaller and significantly less of a threat than that of islam.

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Good article here

[url=http://www.esquire.com/print-this/waffle-house-terrorists-0212?page=all]Print - Counter-Terrorism Is Getting Complicated - Esquire[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;877382]Good article here

[url=http://www.esquire.com/print-this/waffle-house-terrorists-0212?page=all]Print - Counter-Terrorism Is Getting Complicated - Esquire[/url][/quote]


Wait, so our piece of shit government makes a deal with some low life child molester to set up a bunch of old men for domestic terrorism?


This should be a land slide for entrapment if I've ever seen one. First, they send a guy in to set up and organize a group (which he does) and leads. Second, he makes the plans and even supplies them with the money because they can't afford it.

Wow. Is our homeland security guys (and FBI) that hard up for arrests? Can't they infiltrate Congress to find some real culprits?

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More [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/fbi-man-convicted-in-homegrown-terror-plot-wanted-witnesses-against-him-beheaded/2012/01/24/gIQA13rSOQ_story.html"]home-grown[/URL] terrorists....

Similar reoccurring theme though.