Has Anyone Else Completely Lost Faith In The Media?
 

Alright im taking a note from BleedBurgundy by starting this thread. Hopefully it can be used when we notice biases or events the media seems to ignore or gloss over for whatever reason they may believe they have.

There have been 2 recent things that have really bothered me:

The difference between how the Tea Party was treated and how the OWS has been and is being treated be the media is night and day. Every time a extremist or racist tea party protester got in front of a camera or was interviewed the media seemed to jump on it and report it to the public like that was the regular voice or tone of the tea party. The tea party was also regularly mocked by mainstream news channels when they called tea party posters tea baggers. The OWS seem to be getting preferential treatment. There has been tons of violence, rampant drug use, 10 rapes/sexual assaults (give or take), tons of extremest groups associating with OWS, an anti Semitic tone and tons of protesters saying hateful and bigoted things. And yet the media largely ignores this? I just dont get the double standard.

The Herman Cain media cover of alleged sexual harassment is getting ridiculous at this point. In the last week ending Monday there have been [URL="http://www.mrc.org/biasalert/2011/20111107011321.aspx"]84 stories by the major 3 networks[/URL] on the Herman Cain scandal. For comparison sake in the week when the Bill Clinton Juanita Broaddrick rape scandal broke there were 4 mentions, when Bill Clinton was accused of groping Kathleen Wiley there were just 3 stories. There was barley any coverage whatsoever when Larry Sinclair came out with a story that he smoked crack and had sex with Obama and that Donald Young did too. The problem i have is not that the media largely ignored the unfounded stories about Bill Clinton or Obama, but that they are prematurely jumping on unfounded stories on Cain. I just dont get it. Today [URL="http://www.thedailycandidate.com/video/2011/nov/msnbc_code_ethics.html"]MSNBC and the senior Politco reporter that "broke" the Herman Cain allegations mocked[/URL] the idea that theres a[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalism_ethics_and_standards"] Journalism Code of Ethics[/URL].

Another very recent thing, that was actually the tipping point for me to get up and take and stand by doing something [SIZE="1"](starting this thread.....)[/SIZE], was journalist conspiring together not to report a conversation between Sarcozy and Obama about Netanyahu.

[url=http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/08/us-mideast-netanyahu-sarkozy-idUSTRE7A720120111108]Sarkozy tells Obama Netanyahu is a liar | Reuters[/url]

But whats not in the Reuters article is the mention of the journalist acting to first to try and cover it up:

[url=http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4145266,00.html]Report: Sarkozy calls Netanyahu 'liar' - Israel News, Ynetnews[/url]

Anyone else fed up? What else do you have? I know NCSkins has to have some stuff on Fox....

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The media is a business.
They will peddle news that will make money for them.
You may as well lose faith in Wal-Mart because their underwear selection sucks.

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[url=http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/11/09/david_gregory_no_grand_wizard_in_gop_right_now_to_force_cain_to_go_away.html]David Gregory: No "Grand Wizard" In GOP To Force Cain Out | RealClearPolitics[/url]


hahahahahahahaahahaha :laughing2

It's so offensive, you just have to laugh at the stupidity.


I've lost faith in the media long ago.

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Larry Sinclair and Donald Young had sex with Obama???

Anyhow, I'll abstain from this only to say y'all give the media too much credit. Not everything is some shrewd, duplicitious, conspiratorial plan. People looking for a sinister motive behind everything when more often than not it's just laziness

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You can't trust Smoot. He works for tha man!



I'll post more on this media when I gather some thoughts and examples.

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well, she got like a 180million dollar settlement from the company and cain admitted guilt in 2002 when they were planning his senate run and possible obstacles.

now, all of a sudden, 9 years later, he's forgotten all about it, and tells people they're stupid for bringing it up is idiotic.

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As AlvinW said, it's business. In today's multi-channel cable media filled world, everyone preaches to their own choir. This doesn't change the fact that "the truth is out there". Facts exist and can be discovered. Separating fact from fiction [I]can[/I] be difficult though I find, generally, it's not the facts that are hard to discover - it's that various outlets only report the facts that best illustrate their point so getting the complete picture can be difficult and time consuming.

For example: Go to MSNBC and the OWC is painted as diligent, disaffected middle class folks. They tend to play up the police presence and downplay the health, safety and security issues of the various locations.
On the other hand, go to Fox and OWC is a bunch of granola (fruits, nuts and a bunch of flakes) living in their own excrement and who lay in wait for women and small children to fall into their evil grasp.

In between the spin, however, the facts do exist. You just have to look. In today's information world, I believe people who want to do so - are getting more and more savvy at finding out [I]all[/I] the facts.

Think about it - the information that was the catalyst for this thread would probably never have seen the light of day 10 years ago. Yet... here we are. Everyone knows [I]exactly[/I] what was said. How various news agencies spin it, in terms of context and placement will vary on their own political agenda.

I haven't "lost faith" in the media - I just don't expect it to report the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Rather it reports the facts it likes, in the manner that it wants to and that sell the most advertisements.

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Generally speaking it takes only one person to keep a secrete so if you have a secret and someone else knows it there will be a time when it will be disclosed.

Why have faith when you can follow the advice of my man Reagan to "trust but verify?"

If news organizations are willing to sign away their freedom of the press rights and their responsibility to their readership in exchange for access then perhaps it's time to look for and switch to ones that won't?

The competition between news organizations nor ad revenues leads to competition for a breaking stories. Despite the attempts of politicians to control information it will eventually be disclosed.

Cain story is pretty legit and so long has it has new news I am interested in reading about it. Karma is a bitch and so is Cain based on all the shit he has said. If I were him I would perform Seppuku as soon possible.

...and that's all I got to contribute.

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[url=http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2011/11/21/fairleigh_dickinson_publicmind_poll_shows_fox_news_viewers_less_informed_on_major_news_stories.html]Fairleigh Dickinson PublicMind Poll Shows Fox News Viewers Less Informed on Major News Stories[/url]


Color me shocked.

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[quote=SmootSmack;857549]Larry Sinclair and Donald Young had sex with Obama???

Anyhow, I'll abstain from this only to say y'all give the media too much credit. Not everything is some shrewd, duplicitious, conspiratorial plan. People looking for a sinister motive behind everything when more often than not it's just laziness[/quote]

This.

The only bias in media is the personal bias that every reporter can't see in themselves. For the most part its humans being human.

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Speaking of Fox. Let's see exactly why they are banned in Canada.


[url=http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/statutes-lois.htm]Statutes and Regulations | CRTC[/url]


-requires that "a licenser may not broadcast….any false or misleading news."



I think the US should pass the same type of legislation that our neighbors to the north have. Would make for better quality news.

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[quote=NC_Skins;862260]Speaking of Fox. Let's see exactly why they are banned in Canada.[/quote]

For a guy who claims to be non-partisan and advocates getting all the facts, you sure do have a hardon for lies [I]about[/I] Fox.

As I posted once before, but you apparently chose to ignore 'cause it involved facts you dislike:

[quote=JoeRedskin;855187]<sigh> You have been reading to many liberal blogs and accepting their statements as fact. [B]Fox news is not and has never been "banned" in Canada[/B]:

[quote][November, 2004] The conservative-leaning Fox News Channel will soon be coming to Canadian digital television channels. The Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) approved an application Thursday to bring the Fox News Channel, one of the highest-rated news channels in the United States, onto Canadian digital airwaves. The Canadian Cable Telecommunications Association (CCTA) applied to the broadcast regulator in April. Canadians already have access to the main Fox network, but not the right-leaning, 24-hour news channel, with its trademarked slogan of ‘fair and balanced.’ [/quote]

There was a point when Fox News had it’s application denied by the regulatory authority, but not due to any content related issues. [I][11/22 Edit For Clarification: Fox was going to combine with another news agency and so a separate stand alone "Fox News" channel was deemed duplicative.][/I]
[quote]The CRTC rejected a CCTA application to bring Fox to Canada last November [2003] because Fox News U.S. and Winnipeg-based Global Television were planning to create Fox News Canada, a combination of U.S. and Canadian news. However, in March, a Fox U.S. executive said there were no plans to create the combined channel.[/quote]
[url=http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2004/11/18/fox_crtc041118.html]CRTC approves Fox News for Canada - Canada - CBC News[/url]

In Canada, the Fox News Channel is currently available on: Access Communications, Bell TV, Cogeco, Eastlink, Manitoba Telecom Services, Rogers, SaskTel, Shaw Cable, Shaw Direct and Telus TV.[/quote]

Since it has been broadcasting in Canada, Fox News has never been cited for violating the "don't broadcast false news" regulations (neither has any other station).

In fact, the whole "Canada Bans Fox" story is the twisted result of the CRTC's recent decision to drop its 10 year old attempt to change the regulation you cite. The reason they sought the change was to make their regulations compliant with Canada's constitution which protects false or misleading speech as Free Speech.

[quote]The committee was concerned that the regulation violated a 1992 Supreme Court ruling in the case of Holocaust denier Ernst Zundel, which found that the Charter of Rights provision protecting freedom of expression meant a person could not be charged for spreading false information.[/quote]
[url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/crtc-ditches-bid-to-allow-fake-news/article1921489/]CRTC ditches bid to allow fake news - The Globe and Mail[/url]

B/c the "ban misleading speech" regulation is one of those "feel good" laws that sounds fine but can lead to censorship and have a chilling effect on free discourse, the CRTC's proposal was met with overwhelming popular opposition when it tried to change the reg to conform to the country's constitutional requirements. After the CRTC w/drew its proposed change, and in an act of classic demagougery, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. makes a big deal that the CRTC has folded to the "will of the people" and, despite Fox News [I]actual presence in Canada[/I], RFK, Jr. asserts that "Fox like" news is content banned:

[quote][Quoting RFK, Jr.:]When Stephen Harper moved to abolish anti-lying provision of the Radio Act, Canadians rose up to oppose him fearing that their tradition of honest non partisan news would be replaced by the toxic, overtly partisan, biased and dishonest news coverage familiar to American citizens who listen to Fox News and talk radio.[/quote]

[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr/fox-news-will-not-be-moving-into-canada-after-all_b_829473.html]Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: Regulators Reject Proposal That Would Bring Fox-Style News to Canada[/url]

He made this statement despite the fact that Fox News had been in Canada since 2004. It was picked up and twisted by liberal blogs across the internet and repeated until people like you began to believe it as truth.

In Canada, just as here, you can't pre-censor speech b/c you [I]think[/I] it might be misleading. To protect and - in fact enhance - free and open discourse, the appropriate remedy for false speech is, as it has always been, to seek damages in libel/slander or, here's a shocking concept, [I]fight false speech with truthful speech[/I].

And BTW, the same study you found unsurprising in its indictment of Fox listeners also indicted those who listed MSNBC as their primary source. It is as I have been saying all along, those who rely on one source or one set of sources for their facts will, inevitably fail to see the entire picture and, rather, like yourself, they will see only those parts of the picture they find agreeable.

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I stand corrected then. I have a good friend that's Canadian that said something to me about it, I don't really read any liberal blogs per say.

Why in the hell do you think I read once source? I don't fail to see the big picture. I said something that I was wrong about. Big deal. You say a lot of things that are wrong, especially in your stance with the Occupy Movement, but that doesn't stop you.

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[quote=NC_Skins;862357]I stand corrected then. I have a good friend that's Canadian that said something to me about it, I don't really read any liberal blogs per say.

Why in the hell do you think I read once source? I don't fail to see the big picture. I said something that I was wrong about. Big deal. You say a lot of things that are wrong, especially in your stance with the Occupy Movement, but that doesn't stop you.[/quote]

Out of curiosity, can you cite an example where JR was wrong(factually) on the Occupy movement, given proof of the error, and then his failing to acknowledge it?

I may not (in fact I know I don't) agree with JR on certain issues, but rarely is the disagreement based on underlying facts, which you seem to be saying when you say he says "a lot of things that are wrong", our disagreements usually involve application of those facts.

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Feel free to PM with what you believe are my incorrect positions in the Occupy thread and I will gladly refute or admit as necessary. I would suggest that I stand by all my statements as factually correct and, if they are in error, I will gladly and publicly admit the same.

Further, my intention was not to say that you rely on one source but that you act like someone who does. That is just my opinion based on your various arguments and positions that you have taken in the various political threads. I said:

[quote] those who rely on one source or one set of sources for their facts will, inevitably fail to see the entire picture and, [I]rather, like yourself, they will see only those parts of the picture they find agreeable[/I].[/quote]

Perhaps it would have been more clear to say: "rather, they will see only those parts of the picture they find agreeable just as it seems to me that you often do."

My intent, if it was not clear, was that you often (I would say consistently) are dismissive of facts which do not support you opinions and "see only those parts of the picture [you] find agreeable". Fox reports facts - they also spin them. In my opinion, you consistently look at the spin and ignore the facts.

Further, you were wrong when you initially made the statement ("Fox is banned") in the Occupy thread. I pointed out the error then, but, consistent with your methodology, you ignored it. Now, [I]in a thread lambasting the media for their playing fast and loose with the truth[/I], you repeat - and assert as truth - a fact which you have not verified, the error of which was previously pointed out and which is consistent with your complete and utter contempt for Fox.

Pardon me for calling "Fail" on a person who consistently blasts others for being uninformed but whose only support for a blatantly erroneous statement that is the child of rank demagougery is "a friend told me".

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;862374]Out of curiosity, can you cite an example where JR was wrong(factually) on the Occupy movement, given proof of the error, and then his failing to acknowledge it?

[B]I may not (in fact I know I don't) agree with JR on certain issues[/B], but rarely is the disagreement based on underlying facts, which you seem to be saying when you say he says "a lot of things that are wrong", our disagreements usually involve application of those facts.[/quote]

We disagree b/c I am just smarter than you. Always have been, always will be. :silly:

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it seems like the GOP followers are crying over spilled milk. their party is out of power, so they have lost faith in our govt. their presidential hopeful has a ton of skeletons that are now being re reported, so they have lost faith in the media. boo hoo i say

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[quote=JoeRedskin;862376]Further, you were wrong when you initially made the statement ("Fox is banned") in the Occupy thread. I pointed out the error then, but, consistent with your methodology, you ignored it. Now, [I]in a [U]thread lambasting the media for their playing fast and loose with the truth[/I], you repeat - and assert as truth - a fact which you have not verified, the error of which was previously pointed out and which is consistent with your complete and utter contempt for Fox[/U]. [/quote]


I haven't ignored anything, nor do I recall the post from the other thread. Chances are I just didn't see the post. Chill out.


Are you asking me to point out where Fox lies? If so, I can definitely do that.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;862374]Out of curiosity, can you cite an example where JR was wrong(factually) on the Occupy movement, given proof of the error, and then his failing to acknowledge it?

I may not (in fact I know I don't) agree with JR on certain issues, but rarely is the disagreement based on underlying facts, which you seem to be saying when you say he says "a lot of things that are wrong", our disagreements usually involve application of those facts.[/quote]

Opinion based. I don't recall anything off the top of my head or anything I care to dig for to be honest with you.

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[quote=dmek25;862381]it seems like the GOP followers are crying over spilled milk. their party is out of power, so they have lost faith in our govt. their presidential hopeful has a ton of skeletons that are now being re reported, so they have lost faith in the media. boo hoo i say[/quote]

Well if you have followed any of my post you will know that I lost faith both in Gov. & the media long before Obama took office.

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[quote=NC_Skins;862260]Speaking of Fox. Let's see exactly why they are banned in Canada.


[URL="http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/statutes-lois.htm"]Statutes and Regulations | CRTC[/URL]


-requires that "a licenser may not broadcast….any false or misleading news."



[B]I think the US should pass the same type of legislation that our neighbors to the north have. Would make for better quality news[/B].[/quote]

What happened to your freedom of speech you talk about in the OWS thread?

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[quote=NC_Skins;862412]I haven't ignored anything, nor do I recall the post from the other thread.[/quote]

After you made an earlier claim that Fox was banned in Canada, and in response to the post I quoted above, you responded to later portion of the post (which I did not quote here) but said nothing in response to the portion I quoted above. Thus, because you had clearly read the post but only responded to one portion of it, I made the assumption - as I believe any reasonable person would - that you had decided to ignore your highlighted error.

[quote=NC_Skins;862412]Are you asking me to point out where Fox lies? If so, I can definitely do that.[/quote]

No. I am highlighting the hypocrisy of you making the statement "Fox is banned in Canada" based on unverified information in light of your constant attacks on Fox for just the same action.

I have no problem with the concept that not all of what Fox claims as "fact" is not [I]actually[/I] factual. At the same time, not all they claim as fact is fiction either. The same is true of CNN, MSNBC and other media outlets.

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[quote=NC_Skins;862414]Opinion based. I don't recall anything off the top of my head or anything I care to dig for to be honest with you.[/quote]

Well that's a heck of a statement to make, and then not want to dig for it to back up your position.

Let me put it another way, earlier in the thread you said you felt the US ought to enact a law which

[quote=NC_Skins]-requires that "a licenser may not broadcast….any false or misleading news."

I think the US should pass the same type of legislation that our neighbors to the north have. [/quote]

then you make a fairly broad accusation against JR:
[quote=NC_Skins]You[JoeRedskin] say a lot of things that are wrong, especially in your stance with the Occupy Movement, but that doesn't stop you.[/quote]

and when asked to validate your statement, you say in effect, I don't have to prove my statement.

Seems like we need a law prohibiting false or misleading claims on BB's (heavy sarcasm intended)


JR, for all his faults, is a very accurate person when he makes statements of facts. I know he takes a bit of pride in that. Argue his conclusions all day long, but a mistaken conclusion is far different than presenting erroneous facts, and the accusation of such isn't something that should be brushed over because you "don't care to dig for it".



Back on point of this topic, the media gives no claim (other than for revenue) of being worthy of faith. Each outlet panders to their base in order to garner more advertising revenue and a larger base. Unlike the government, which is SUPPOSED to present the good for all citizens and thus lost faith is a critical thing, lost faith in the media simply means finding a media outlet more suited towards your own beliefs.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;862426]and when asked to validate your statement, you say in effect, I don't have to prove my statement. [/quote]

I think he's wrong on many of his stances, that doesn't mean what he's said is accurate or inaccurate based on facts. I think you are reading into too much of what I said.

Technically, he was wrong when he stated I hate corporations and rich people, but who's keeping track. :spank: :cheeky-sm


Much like the current media, you are detracting on the meat of what's important with a side show of who's right and wrong. I admitted to being wrong about the Fox in Canada thing, and here we are 7 posts later still talking about me being wrong? Let's talk about our pathetic media. Thanks.

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[quote=NC_Skins;862431]I think he's wrong on many of his stances, that doesn't mean what he's said is accurate or inaccurate based on facts. I think you are reading into too much of what I said.

Technically, he was wrong when he stated I hate corporations and rich people, but who's keeping track. :spank: :cheeky-sm


Much like the current media, you are detracting on the meat of what's important with a side show of who's right and wrong. I admitted to being wrong about the Fox in Canada thing, and here we are 7 posts later still talking about me being wrong? Let's talk about our pathetic media. Thanks.[/quote]

Funny thing tho'. You pulled one sentence out of my post, made a silly sidestep, then ignored the end of my post which laid out my answer to why the premise of the thread is wrong, and then accused me of detracting from the meat. But fine.

Our media is pathetic, simply because we have lots of air time available to whiny mediots who make bold statements then do nothing in terms of proving whether their statements are factually accurate or not. And when called on it they use poor critical thinking skills to avoid direct answers and muddle their actual responses because they are unable to accept that they are wrong. Of course, no one here forced to listen to just one side of a discussion, although many end up doing just that.

Of course the argument could be made that it is the availability of all points of views, from mediots to talking heads, to scholars, that allows the US, and other nations that encourage free speech, to grow and move beyond shallow thinking as a nation, and also leads to more open and honest debate, where one is forced to contemplate every point of view and not just their exclusive way of thinking.

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Quick and short Op-Ed from the NY Times:

[url=http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/of_massacres_media_myths_iwxYulFJ9jKcrBTk50kpOL]Media blames Aurora on right&mdash;Gabriel Malor - NYPOST.com[/url]

Expanded version from theblaze:

[url=http://www.theblaze.com/stories/six-moments-where-the-media-has-wrongly-blamed-conservatives-for-violence/]Six Moments Where the Media has Wrongly Blamed Violence on Conservatives | TheBlaze.com[/url]

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Funny thing is Fox is not banned in Canada and I'm not sure where you got that from.

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[quote=firstdown;926253]Funny thing is Fox is not banned in Canada and I'm not sure where you got that from.[/quote]

That is correct. I mistakenly went on RFK, jr.'s article about it being banned. It is in fact not banned in Canada, and I even researched a few cable stations that carry it after JR's correction.

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[quote=NC_Skins;926261]That is correct. I mistakenly went on RFK, jr.'s article about it being banned. It is in fact not banned in Canada, and [B]I even researched the few cable stations that carry it[/B] after JR's correction.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I guess “few” means something different depending on the person. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]But for those like me it may be worth noting that when NCSkins says "the few" he means more than 10 and what i would normally refer to "the vast majority”. There is however “one” notable exception, as Videotron, Canada’s third largest cable provider which is targeted towards the French speaking Canadians does not carry the channel. I would offer an opinion as to why but I am unable to read French-Canadian:[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][URL="http://www.videotron.com/"]Services de Téléphonie, Internet, Télévision et Mobile | Vidéotron[/URL][/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=mlmpetert;926269][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I guess “few” means something different depending on the person. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]But for those like me it may be worth noting that when NCSkins says "the few" he means more than 10 and what i would normally refer to "the vast majority”. There is however “one” notable exception, as Videotron, Canada’s third largest cable provider which is targeted towards the French speaking Canadians does not carry the channel. I would offer an opinion as to why but I am unable to read French-Canadian:[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][URL="http://www.videotron.com/"]Services de Téléphonie, Internet, Télévision et Mobile | Vidéotron[/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

My words should have been "a few" and not "the few". I didn't look at every single carrier in Canada, just a few. If I remember correctly, Videotron is one of the ones that didn't carry it because they already had another type of "fox news" conservative type station already.

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Fair enough. We all make mistakes, even the media. Its the imflamatory stuff that none of us like.

When this batman shooting happened i honestly thought there was a good chance the guy was going to be associated with the Occupy movement. Hes a young white guy who couldnt get a job even though he was well educated. That sounds a lot like OWS to me. I was dead wrong. But i didnt go around proclaiming it like an idiot on national TV or ANYWHERE else. Unfortunitly Brian Ross's insidious remarks didnt seem all that uncommon.

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[quote=mlmpetert;926284]Fair enough. We all make mistakes, even the media. Its the imflamatory stuff that none of us like.

When this batman shooting happened i honestly thought there was a good chance the guy was [B]going to be associated with the Occupy movement[/B]. Hes a young white guy who couldnt get a job even though he was well educated. That sounds a lot like OWS to me. I was dead wrong. But i didnt go around proclaiming it like an idiot on national TV or ANYWHERE else. Unfortunitly Brian Ross's insidious remarks didnt seem all that uncommon.[/quote]

The Occupy movement. They would have to have a meeting on the subject with only half the people showing up stinking like they have not taking a bath for weeks. Half way through the meeting it would break out into total confusion and the people would walk away. They would have a second meeting to talk about funding but their unemploment checks would have been used purchasing drugs. Without the funds to purchase the weapons they would decide to just throw human feces at people and thats how shit happens.

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[quote=mlmpetert;926284]Fair enough. We all make mistakes, even the media. Its the imflamatory stuff that none of us like.

When this batman shooting happened i honestly thought there was a good chance the guy was going to be associated with the Occupy movement. Hes a young white guy who couldnt get a job even though he was well educated. That sounds a lot like OWS to me. I was dead wrong. But i didnt go around proclaiming it like an idiot on national TV or ANYWHERE else. Unfortunitly Brian Ross's insidious remarks didnt seem all that uncommon.[/quote]

Couldn't get a job? Wasn't he in Medical School?

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[quote=SmootSmack;926317]Couldn't get a job? Wasn't he in Medical School?[/quote]

This is what i was going off of. I get the feeling he didnt want to go to school.

[quote]
The bookish demeanor concealed an unspooling life. Holmes struggled to find work after graduating with highest honors in the spring of 2010 with a neuroscience degree from the University of California, Riverside, said the neighbor, retired electrical engineer Tom Mai.
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[url=http://www.pressherald.com/news/profile-emerges-of-quiet-loner-an-unspooling-life_2012-07-21.html]Profile of shooting suspect: Quiet loner, an unspooling life | The Portland Press Herald / Maine Sunday Telegram[/url]

Re: Has Anyone Else Completely Lost Faith In The Media?
 

Got ya

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There's no such thing as an unbiased media today. Maybe there never was.

Sometimes one "side" is right, sometimes another. But if you think one outlet is more consistently unbiased than another, they probably just agree with you more often.

And media sources are more biased by what they *don't* report, rather than what they do.

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My current favorite news sources.

[url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/us_and_canada/]BBC News - US & Canada[/url]


[url=http://www.npr.org/sections/news/]News: U.S. and World News Headlines : NPR[/url]


[url=http://www.nytimes.com/]The New York Times - Breaking News, World News & Multimedia[/url]

[url=http://online.wsj.com/home-page]Business News & Financial News - The Wall Street Journal - Wsj.com[/url]


The first two are the best in my opinion of the four, but there are good articles in the last two as well. You aren't going to get the slanted 1/2 truth that you'll find in the major media markets.

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Yahoo is pretty legit when it comes to news, but I found this hilarious. SOmehow this got through the cracks and was posted on their main site.


[url=http://news.yahoo.com/t-just-pulled-dick-move-facetime-over-cellular-215007197.html]AT&T just pulled a dick move with FaceTime over cellular - Yahoo! News[/url]


[quote]It’s no secret that AT&T (T) is a terrible wireless carrier — just ask anyone who uses, or has used AT&T. Its calls drop, data is unusable in any location with more than four wireless subscribers within a square mile, and it nickel and dimes every single ****ing thing. You know what set me off though? The fact that AT&T is limiting FaceTime over cellular and making subscribers switch to a new shared data plan if they want to use it. It was bad enough AT&T brazenly charges you a fee if you want to use the data you pay for on another device via tethering, but now AT&T is trying to control just what you can and can’t do with your own data, which you pay for every month, down to the specific application.

Here’s AT&T’s full statement:

[I] AT&T will offer FaceTime over Cellular as an added benefit of our new Mobile Share data plans, which were created to meet customers’ growing data needs at a great value. With Mobile Share, the more data you use, the more you save. FaceTime will continue to be available over Wi-Fi for all our customers.[/I]

Let’s look at this another way… you lease or buy a car. Could you imagine the leasing company or bank saying that you can’t park your car in certain locations, can’t listen to certain radio stations, and can’t drive it faster than 50 MPH unless you pay more? That’s what AT&T is doing — it is telling you exactly what you can and can’t do with your data that you pay for every month down to the specific applications and uses. I’m tired of this shit. It’s not even about the cost or new plan so much as it’s about two things:

The fact that AT&T’s competitors are not charging for FaceTime over cellular speaks loudly. Sprint (S) announced that it won’t charge for FaceTime over cellular, and while Verizon Wireless (VZ) hasn’t announced anything, they have no current plans to limit FaceTime on existing or new plans, we’ve been told from a source.
It means that the majority of AT&T’s iPhone users won’t have access to FaceTime — the most reliable system-integrated video calling service on mobile devices — on AT&T’s network because they won’t want to switch to pricier mobile share plans.

FaceTime over cellular should have happened long ago, but now that Apple is finally introducing it, AT&T goes and ****s it up for everyone — just like it messed up tethering, and just like it screwed people over on SMS plans. Well guess what? I cannot wait to buy a next-generation iPhone on Verizon with LTE and tell AT&T to go screw themselves after being enslaved to them, and spending way over $50,000 with them in service fees since I originally signed up. Peace.[/quote]


:laughing2

Never seen a news article in my life like this.

Bahahahaha love this article.. shocked it's posted though

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Media in the US is just propaganda anymore. It is to keep the sheep in line either giving them bold faced lies about the so called economic recovery, to their blatant hypocrisy on things like Libya and Syria. Pravda and the like have nothing on our guys. Goebbels would be impressed, if not jealous over the propaganda apparatus that fronts as being independent and honest.